And maybe its just because Mets fan weren't too familiar with DM when we acquired him, but he's actually the scariest injury risk of all. You hear about Ramos and TDA, but DM's injury history makes those two look like Cal Ripkin. lol.
Could care less about watching our "known" players but I am dying to see JD Davis, Rosario, Smith, Alonso, McNeil, TJ Rivera, TDA, Cecchini, Dilson this spring.. On the pitching side Im very excited to see how Flexen looks... Drew Smith, Bashlor, Zamora, etc.
do you expect Zamora to look like? lol he throws mid 80s and is 26. He is what he is. I'm not saying he can't help but what are you hoping to see that you haven't? lol
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Mickey Callaway on possibility of holding Peter Alonso in minors (for service time manipulation): Brodie has made it clear that hes a players guy. And if he deserves it, hes going to be on the team.
do you expect Zamora to look like? lol he throws mid 80s and is 26. He is what he is. I'm not saying he can't help but what are you hoping to see that you haven't? lol
Consistency and the ability to get LH out with that slider specifically. If he's going to make it he needs to be a good LOOGY and he sort of had reverse splits in the majors last year. (SSS)
don't think you will be able to take much away from his limited ST innings. You will however be able to see if Avilan's velocity is back or if he's shot
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Mickey Callaway on possibility of holding Peter Alonso in minors (for service time manipulation): Brodie has made it clear that hes a players guy. And if he deserves it, hes going to be on the team.
Like I said earlier, it doesnt make sense to me.
My only thinking is,it wins huge good Will amongst the players, and he doesnt think it will matter when the new CBa is done and they get rid of that anyway.
I think we are all going to be pissed if Alonso turns into a stud
and we lose him a year early over 12 games. Especially, when Smith, JD Davis, and Frazier can easily fill in depending on what you want to see.
Hes got THE WORST profile for a FA that it sucks more for him than anything. But yeah, two weeks of Alonso vs an extra year of control is really idiotic to even entertain the thought. Never mind the half dozen alternatives on the roster to cover there.
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Mickey Callaway called Peter Alonso "probably the most improved defensive guy" Mets coaches have seen "in a long time." That jives with what many scouts have described as major strides in Alonso's defensive game over the past 12 months.
being signed (and how cheap they are) along with still no signing of Harper/Machado is worst case scenario for DeGrom has well. Cant blame him for being pissed but the Mets are 100% doing the right thing. Timing is everything and his age plus this new trend to be more careful with long term deals are both hitting at the same time.
What are you talking about? The one decent top of the rotation FA got the best contract of anybody in FA. Top pitching still gets paid.
Corbin got 6/140m - he was 5th in Cy Young vote, 1 year younger
JDG is a better pitcher, and has a better track record, but that's still likely the absolute max he'd be able to get 2 years early. Unfortunately for JDG and his agents the good news for their negotiating position stopped there this offseason - especially the Carrasco extension.
Carrasco is a better pitcher than Corbin and just like JDG he had 2 years of team control remaining. He's won 35 games over the past 2 years worth 11 fwar. 1 of just 7 pitchers include JDG worth over 10 fwar the past 2 seasons. He got extended for 2 extra years that brought his guaranteed total to 4 years 47m, with a 5th year option that would bring him up to $60m. The AAV he accepted (11.75m) is literally half of what Patrick Corbin got on the open market (23.3m). That's how much leverage his team had with those 2 years of control.
For JDG there's a fair deal somewhere in between those 2 for both sides. Splitting the difference would be 5 years $100m. Defer some money and his AAV wouldn't even change all that much from what he's likely to get in arbitration the next 2 years. I don't think JDG is turning down any offer over $100m the way this market has worked. Hard to argue against getting 1 of the best pitchers in baseball signed for half of what it took the Nats to get Scherzer - who has already been well worth his $210m contract. If JDG can age the way Scherzer did anything under Corbin will be a steal.
but picturing first El Sid running conditioning at all, and second running terrified out of the woods is a hilarious visual.
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The Mets spring facility was built on a hunting preserve. Their first year there, manager Davey Johnson had his pitchers run on a trail in the woods. Sid Fernandez was chased out of the woods by a warthog. Sid was screaming, Theres a monster in there!! #onlyinspringtraining
First day of school, noticed lots of media walking and talking, so hopefully some real good player pieces and tidbits start coming out the next coup,e of days.
I know cano was brought in to be a veteran pro with a winning background and all. But man, I had no clue how quickly and how much he really is embracing trying to make an imprint. Extremely impressed by it. Reminds me a bit of the way/presence Delgado brought with him. Very, very impressive.
Once DeGroms repaired CY comes back, just hand it directly to Thor...
SIGN THOR!!!!!!!!! Seeing a more mature Thor...
Brodie is officially THE most popular Met. I 110% expect that within the first 10 home games, a camera will catch a Mets fan in the stands wearing a jersey its his name on it. Mark my words, it WILL happen. Hes getting the respect of the media by being honest. Players absolutely LOVE him. Get the vibe theyd go throug a wall for him like Bobby V and Daley. Wish we could have BVW be the manager and not just GM at this point...
Nothing major going on. Everyones fighting for the hidden gem to right about. So dont buy into everything you read the next couple days lol
First day of school, noticed lots of media walking and talking, so hopefully some real good player pieces and tidbits start coming out the next coup,e of days.
I know cano was brought in to be a veteran pro with a winning background and all. But man, I had no clue how quickly and how much he really is embracing trying to make an imprint. Extremely impressed by it. Reminds me a bit of the way/presence Delgado brought with him. Very, very impressive.
Once DeGroms repaired CY comes back, just hand it directly to Thor...
SIGN THOR!!!!!!!!! Seeing a more mature Thor...
Brodie is officially THE most popular Met. I 110% expect that within the first 10 home games, a camera will catch a Mets fan in the stands wearing a jersey its his name on it. Mark my words, it WILL happen. Hes getting the respect of the media by being honest. Players absolutely LOVE him. Get the vibe theyd go throug a wall for him like Bobby V and Daley. Wish we could have BVW be the manager and not just GM at this point...
Nothing major going on. Everyones fighting for the hidden gem to right about. So dont buy into everything you read the next couple days lol
Shecky, whats the vibe on Travis d'Arnaud's demotion and supposed trade/cut during all of this. Has to be somewhat somber while this is all going on
Behind the BA paywall so I can't see the details, but the Mets seem to do just enough in the IFA market to avoid criticism, but never enough to get fans excited. Mauricio was 3rd rated (?) but it's like an every few years thing where they make a splash.
but IFA, it's hard to say that's an area to bash. They get shamed every year for not being in on the tier 1 guys every year, but instead they are targeting 2 guys every year, "overpay" for them to lock them up and it's been working. This year, they'll build their system depth instead because no one is jumping out.
but IFA, it's hard to say that's an area to bash. They get shamed every year for not being in on the tier 1 guys every year, but instead they are targeting 2 guys every year, "overpay" for them to lock them up and it's been working. This year, they'll build their system depth instead because no one is jumping out.
I know and like I said they do enough to avoid criticism, but they never go and get that #1 guy, fans I think would welcome aggression even if they miss. at least it shows commitment. Of course if the mid-level IFA signings panned out and elevated the farm and eventually the big league club fans would say they know what they're doing.
for now though I think of it as a typical Mets approach.
I know I would.
Why do we think Alonzo is a better prospect than JD Davis?
I know JD didnt do much in his time with Houston, but he crushed MiLB and was considered a strong prospect in the past. Did he get exposed in Houston in a way that would discredit his previous status as a top prospect? Or could it be a limited sample size where he didnt get on track?
RE: Why do we think Alonzo is a better prospect than JD Davis?
I know JD didnt do much in his time with Houston, but he crushed MiLB and was considered a strong prospect in the past. Did he get exposed in Houston in a way that would discredit his previous status as a top prospect? Or could it be a limited sample size where he didnt get on track?
First and foremost... JD Davis is 26 years old in April. Alonso is 2 full years younger. If we are sitting here in 2 years waiting for Alonso to hit he'll be viewed as a non-prospect. Shine off of bat only players disappears quickly. AJ Reed was viewed as the next mashing 1b, now you NEVER hear him mention. Also concerns with Davis's swing that don't exist with Alonso.
I know JD didnt do much in his time with Houston, but he crushed MiLB and was considered a strong prospect in the past. Did he get exposed in Houston in a way that would discredit his previous status as a top prospect? Or could it be a limited sample size where he didnt get on track?
Very good question. And the answer to the question is exactly why everyone has been hesitant to like Alonso from Day one. His profile is historical very, very poor. The difference between a AAAA player and Goldschmidt - really is razor thin. Maybe an exaggeration.
Davis is good. And there are a ton of guys just like him. He works incredibly hard and is driven, so perhaps he could make a career out of this after all. But Alonso does some things more elite than the Davis's of the world. Again though, the margin of error is so razor thin for the Alonso's of the world that literally everything has to click right for him to make it. So for the Davis's of the world - it all has to click, sprinkled with a little luck, etc.
shocked how much they gave Hecheverria. Guy has been awful with the bat his entire career. Clearly they think Guillorme is sub-MLB level.
That's the new free agency world. No one wants to sign a fringe FA only to cut him in May. Or even worse, feel obligated to bring him up North for Opening Day purely because of salary.
Now, teams say hey we will pay you - but you've really got to wow us in spring and force our hand. The good is, it motivates guys who are on the fringe. The really, really bad part is the unintended consequence that will rear it's head for some clubs. And that is spring training is a bonding time for the boys to become family. With lives and contracts on the line in a new way, they'll be some more politicking, some backroom bickering, alliances among friends etc...
I know JD didnt do much in his time with Houston, but he crushed MiLB and was considered a strong prospect in the past. Did he get exposed in Houston in a way that would discredit his previous status as a top prospect? Or could it be a limited sample size where he didnt get on track?
Zero. They are 100% major league baseball's next "Bash Brothers". Only an act of God could prevent it from happening. ;)
on the Mets revised analytics approach and their new assistant GM (33 year old Adam Guttridge)
it does seem kind of weird to me though that Alderson, the man in the GM seat when moneyball actually became a thing even if Beane is who the movie is about, didn't care as much as it seems BVW does about analytics.
PORT ST. LUCIE The New York Mets and St. Lucie County appear to have reached an agreement that will renovate their spring-training stadium, First Data Field, and keep spring training in Port St. Lucie until 2042.
And still have to vote.
IMO, best thing that can Hellen is it falls apart and they move south. Just need to find another org to share with...
Politicians being politicians, thats all. I assume it will get done. But IF its a done deal, its aha,f assed deal unfortunate,y.
And still have to vote.
IMO, best thing that can Hellen is it falls apart and they move south. Just need to find another org to share with...
Politicians being politicians, thats all. I assume it will get done. But IF its a done deal, its aha,f assed deal unfortunate,y.
55 million for a spring training facility is a terrible deal for St. Lucie. I'm sure they have a lot better things they could spend that money on.
Any $$ over contract should just be split 50/50. Since thats a substantial number to be picked up by the ballclub, the club gets the final say in the total spent.
These are small time politicians who are prone to big time mistakes. Assume it goes through, but if not,IMO, its best for the franchise. Theyd have years to find a partner, which would be easy, and have an amazing facility further south.
for these spring training sites. If St. Lucie doesn't want to play ball, then bye bye. I wouldn't mind seeing a wider variety of spring training teams to play against anyway.
the JD Davis talk early indication is Mickey prefers a 4 man bench and extra reliever. That would mean no room for Davis to begin the season.
I think there's a realistic (even if it's not likely) chance JD Davis is the opening day 1B. Frazier doesn't look good and I wouldn't be surprised if he has a bad spring or gets hurt. Remember that a GM is likely to try and find a way to roster a guy he traded for. Keep an eye on Davis this spring.
Cant wait to get to St. Lucie in a couple weeks.
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Mickey Callaway on possibility of holding Peter Alonso in minors (for service time manipulation): Brodie has made it clear that hes a players guy. And if he deserves it, hes going to be on the team.
Consistency and the ability to get LH out with that slider specifically. If he's going to make it he needs to be a good LOOGY and he sort of had reverse splits in the majors last year. (SSS)
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Mickey Callaway on possibility of holding Peter Alonso in minors (for service time manipulation): Brodie has made it clear that hes a players guy. And if he deserves it, hes going to be on the team.
Like I said earlier, it doesnt make sense to me.
My only thinking is,it wins huge good Will amongst the players, and he doesnt think it will matter when the new CBa is done and they get rid of that anyway.
Hes got THE WORST profile for a FA that it sucks more for him than anything. But yeah, two weeks of Alonso vs an extra year of control is really idiotic to even entertain the thought. Never mind the half dozen alternatives on the roster to cover there.
Speaking of around here, assume everyone put two and two together this week why Rico took that offer...
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Mickey Callaway called Peter Alonso "probably the most improved defensive guy" Mets coaches have seen "in a long time." That jives with what many scouts have described as major strides in Alonso's defensive game over the past 12 months.
Speaking of around here, assume everyone put two and two together this week why Rico took that offer...
Shecky, is this in regard to a possible move out of Port St. Lucie? Would Ricco be the point man on that project?
holy shit.
Maybe he becomes our new CF leadoff hitter. ;)
What are you talking about? The one decent top of the rotation FA got the best contract of anybody in FA. Top pitching still gets paid.
Carrasco is a better pitcher than Corbin and just like JDG he had 2 years of team control remaining. He's won 35 games over the past 2 years worth 11 fwar. 1 of just 7 pitchers include JDG worth over 10 fwar the past 2 seasons. He got extended for 2 extra years that brought his guaranteed total to 4 years 47m, with a 5th year option that would bring him up to $60m. The AAV he accepted (11.75m) is literally half of what Patrick Corbin got on the open market (23.3m). That's how much leverage his team had with those 2 years of control.
For JDG there's a fair deal somewhere in between those 2 for both sides. Splitting the difference would be 5 years $100m. Defer some money and his AAV wouldn't even change all that much from what he's likely to get in arbitration the next 2 years. I don't think JDG is turning down any offer over $100m the way this market has worked. Hard to argue against getting 1 of the best pitchers in baseball signed for half of what it took the Nats to get Scherzer - who has already been well worth his $210m contract. If JDG can age the way Scherzer did anything under Corbin will be a steal.
Really refreshing to see.
Where have we heard that before lol
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The Mets spring facility was built on a hunting preserve. Their first year there, manager Davey Johnson had his pitchers run on a trail in the woods. Sid Fernandez was chased out of the woods by a warthog. Sid was screaming, Theres a monster in there!! #onlyinspringtraining
First day of school, noticed lots of media walking and talking, so hopefully some real good player pieces and tidbits start coming out the next coup,e of days.
I know cano was brought in to be a veteran pro with a winning background and all. But man, I had no clue how quickly and how much he really is embracing trying to make an imprint. Extremely impressed by it. Reminds me a bit of the way/presence Delgado brought with him. Very, very impressive.
Once DeGroms repaired CY comes back, just hand it directly to Thor...
SIGN THOR!!!!!!!!! Seeing a more mature Thor...
Brodie is officially THE most popular Met. I 110% expect that within the first 10 home games, a camera will catch a Mets fan in the stands wearing a jersey its his name on it. Mark my words, it WILL happen. Hes getting the respect of the media by being honest. Players absolutely LOVE him. Get the vibe theyd go throug a wall for him like Bobby V and Daley. Wish we could have BVW be the manager and not just GM at this point...
Nothing major going on. Everyones fighting for the hidden gem to right about. So dont buy into everything you read the next couple days lol
First day of school, noticed lots of media walking and talking, so hopefully some real good player pieces and tidbits start coming out the next coup,e of days.
I know cano was brought in to be a veteran pro with a winning background and all. But man, I had no clue how quickly and how much he really is embracing trying to make an imprint. Extremely impressed by it. Reminds me a bit of the way/presence Delgado brought with him. Very, very impressive.
Once DeGroms repaired CY comes back, just hand it directly to Thor...
SIGN THOR!!!!!!!!! Seeing a more mature Thor...
Brodie is officially THE most popular Met. I 110% expect that within the first 10 home games, a camera will catch a Mets fan in the stands wearing a jersey its his name on it. Mark my words, it WILL happen. Hes getting the respect of the media by being honest. Players absolutely LOVE him. Get the vibe theyd go throug a wall for him like Bobby V and Daley. Wish we could have BVW be the manager and not just GM at this point...
Nothing major going on. Everyones fighting for the hidden gem to right about. So dont buy into everything you read the next couple days lol
Shecky, whats the vibe on Travis d'Arnaud's demotion and supposed trade/cut during all of this. Has to be somewhat somber while this is all going on
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Teams in on the top prospects on the international market:
- Yankees
- A's
- Rangers
- Royals
- Dodgers
- Phillies
- Cubs
- Padres
- Angels
- Rockies
Behind the BA paywall so I can't see the details, but the Mets seem to do just enough in the IFA market to avoid criticism, but never enough to get fans excited. Mauricio was 3rd rated (?) but it's like an every few years thing where they make a splash.
I know and like I said they do enough to avoid criticism, but they never go and get that #1 guy, fans I think would welcome aggression even if they miss. at least it shows commitment. Of course if the mid-level IFA signings panned out and elevated the farm and eventually the big league club fans would say they know what they're doing.
for now though I think of it as a typical Mets approach.
I know I would.
First and foremost... JD Davis is 26 years old in April. Alonso is 2 full years younger. If we are sitting here in 2 years waiting for Alonso to hit he'll be viewed as a non-prospect. Shine off of bat only players disappears quickly. AJ Reed was viewed as the next mashing 1b, now you NEVER hear him mention. Also concerns with Davis's swing that don't exist with Alonso.
Very good question. And the answer to the question is exactly why everyone has been hesitant to like Alonso from Day one. His profile is historical very, very poor. The difference between a AAAA player and Goldschmidt - really is razor thin. Maybe an exaggeration.
Davis is good. And there are a ton of guys just like him. He works incredibly hard and is driven, so perhaps he could make a career out of this after all. But Alonso does some things more elite than the Davis's of the world. Again though, the margin of error is so razor thin for the Alonso's of the world that literally everything has to click right for him to make it. So for the Davis's of the world - it all has to click, sprinkled with a little luck, etc.
That's the new free agency world. No one wants to sign a fringe FA only to cut him in May. Or even worse, feel obligated to bring him up North for Opening Day purely because of salary.
Now, teams say hey we will pay you - but you've really got to wow us in spring and force our hand. The good is, it motivates guys who are on the fringe. The really, really bad part is the unintended consequence that will rear it's head for some clubs. And that is spring training is a bonding time for the boys to become family. With lives and contracts on the line in a new way, they'll be some more politicking, some backroom bickering, alliances among friends etc...
Zero. They are 100% major league baseball's next "Bash Brothers". Only an act of God could prevent it from happening. ;)
Well see
it does seem kind of weird to me though that Alderson, the man in the GM seat when moneyball actually became a thing even if Beane is who the movie is about, didn't care as much as it seems BVW does about analytics.
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PORT ST. LUCIE The New York Mets and St. Lucie County appear to have reached an agreement that will renovate their spring-training stadium, First Data Field, and keep spring training in Port St. Lucie until 2042.
IMO, best thing that can Hellen is it falls apart and they move south. Just need to find another org to share with...
Politicians being politicians, thats all. I assume it will get done. But IF its a done deal, its aha,f assed deal unfortunate,y.
IMO, best thing that can Hellen is it falls apart and they move south. Just need to find another org to share with...
Politicians being politicians, thats all. I assume it will get done. But IF its a done deal, its aha,f assed deal unfortunate,y.
55 million for a spring training facility is a terrible deal for St. Lucie. I'm sure they have a lot better things they could spend that money on.
These are small time politicians who are prone to big time mistakes. Assume it goes through, but if not,IMO, its best for the franchise. Theyd have years to find a partner, which would be easy, and have an amazing facility further south.
I think there's a realistic (even if it's not likely) chance JD Davis is the opening day 1B. Frazier doesn't look good and I wouldn't be surprised if he has a bad spring or gets hurt. Remember that a GM is likely to try and find a way to roster a guy he traded for. Keep an eye on Davis this spring.
Completely uninformed speculation on my part.