OBj has missed playing time in 3 of the 5 years he has played......
SS is only a slot receiver....when he is forced to play as the #1 WR position(when OBj is hurt), he is less effective....does not have great speed, does not get much separation, has drops, and sometimes he and Eli are not on the same page....
After that, there is basically nothing....I can't get too excited about 2 catches by Latimer in the last game of the season....
OBj has missed playing time in 3 of the 5 years he has played......
SS is only a slot receiver....when he is forced to play as the #1 WR position(when OBj is hurt), he is less effective....does not have great speed, does not get much separation, has drops, and sometimes he and Eli are not on the same page....
After that, there is basically nothing....I can't get too excited about 2 catches by Latimer in the last game of the season....
We need a 3rd wideout....
The Latimer catches in the last game were spectacular, but the guy seems unable to create separation (hence the need to make circus catches). I also can't get over how invisible he was before he got hurt.
And the idea that other teams have studs at WR on their bench is ludicrous.
Look at the Ram's... Once Cooper Kupp went down the rest of them including supposed #1 Cooks, #2 Robert Woods, and #4 Josh Reynolds couldn't catch a cold, or get decent separation, or kick ass blocking.
That's an SB team. The Pats got Ped Edelman and a pile of hay at WR too, the other SB team.
Yeah in a deep draft we should target a WR in the mid to later rounds, but let's not pretend he'd be a big factor in 2019.
When you're constructing your roster, you have to choose your spots and WR2 is simply much lower on the list. That other outside WR is the 5th option in the passing game behind OBJ, Barkley, Shep and Engram. I think a mix of Latimer, Coleman and Russell Shephard is fine as the 5th option in the offense. Injury to OBJ? Sure we're screwed. However you can still run the offense through Barkley and highlight Engram more in the passing game. You can make the case that if Solder or Jenkins get injured we're screwed as well.
It would be nice to upgrade for sure but if you're serious about building a team in the trenches then WR2 is probably a good spot to concede resources.
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And the idea that other teams have studs at WR on their bench is ludicrous.
Look at the Ram's... Once Cooper Kupp went down the rest of them including supposed #1 Cooks, #2 Robert Woods, and #4 Josh Reynolds couldn't catch a cold, or get decent separation, or kick ass blocking.
That's an SB team. The Pats got Ped Edelman and a pile of hay at WR too, the other SB team.
Yeah in a deep draft we should target a WR in the mid to later rounds, but let's not pretend he'd be a big factor in 2019.
Give me a break. Shepard is a WR, not a guard. He had a few highlight blocks this year, but he's being paid to make plays in the passing game.
Bennie Fowler? Cody Latimer? Russell Shepard? I don't think you have a firm grasp at just how bad our WR corps is.
When you're constructing your roster, you have to choose your spots and WR2 is simply much lower on the list. That other outside WR is the 5th option in the passing game behind OBJ, Barkley, Shep and Engram. I think a mix of Latimer, Coleman and Russell Shephard is fine as the 5th option in the offense. Injury to OBJ? Sure we're screwed. However you can still run the offense through Barkley and highlight Engram more in the passing game. You can make the case that if Solder or Jenkins get injured we're screwed as well.
It would be nice to upgrade for sure but if you're serious about building a team in the trenches then WR2 is probably a good spot to concede resources.
But I sure wouldn't reach for one in the draft or FA. We'd be better off landing an OL or defensive player than a WR if the talent is equal. Talent level's got to take priority over position, regardless of need. We've gone down the other road too often.
I do like Paris Campbell a bit in the middle rounds, though.
When you're constructing your roster, you have to choose your spots and WR2 is simply much lower on the list. That other outside WR is the 5th option in the passing game behind OBJ, Barkley, Shep and Engram. I think a mix of Latimer, Coleman and Russell Shephard is fine as the 5th option in the offense. Injury to OBJ? Sure we're screwed. However you can still run the offense through Barkley and highlight Engram more in the passing game. You can make the case that if Solder or Jenkins get injured we're screwed as well.
It would be nice to upgrade for sure but if you're serious about building a team in the trenches then WR2 is probably a good spot to concede resources.
You might feel differently if OBJ tears his ACL.
Thats a might if OBJ gets injured.. Our OL and DL have sucked for far too long to the point where it didn't even matter if both OBJ and Barkley were on the field together.. I'd rather them spend that resource on a backup OL or DL than spend any more resources on skill players.. Between OBJ, Shep, Engram and Barkley we already have more investment in skill positions than say KC chiefs.. or heck the RAMS.. and look how good their offenses are..
There are some really good players this year in the late 1st early 2nd round that are going to make big difference for there team. WR's is a premium position and one that rookies can make an impact right away. Even average WR's in FA make big bucks. Team building wise i would have a constant pipeline of WR's in the draft.
I have been watching JJ Arcega-Whiteside highlights, and man he has holes in his game, but his ability to box out the defender is something special. Eli would love this guy. Any Qb's would, but Eli loves going to the matchup and throwing it up and letting the WR make a play on the ball. He would vastly improve our redzone production that's for sure. There are going to be a lot of good players in round 2 this year.
This team has already invested a large amount of draft capital on offensive skill positions. Either learn to identify solid finds in the later rounds or grab a FA.
Is it people saying WR isn't a need or just that people are seeing bigger glaring needs elsewhere since we have Beckham and Shep? I 100% agree that WR is a need. But if I had to out it on a list of needs that'll increase our win total the most I have to put QB, RT, RG, probably C, ER, DE, LB, CB, and S above WR. The problem is we have a ton of needs.
Imo, we know the defense is in need of a huge turnover but the best way for this team to start stringing wins together is to fix that OL. We can control the ball/clock and keep our D off the field like Dalls has done recently. That is the best way to mask a lot of our issues until we can put some good drafts together to fix the D.
I have to say that I wanted Shurmur but I wasn't happy with season one. It took him too long to understand this team and personnel. And when we had Beckham I wasn't crazy how he was used especially seeing how Thielen and Diggs were used. I think he learned from his first year so I hope I see more from him with regards to our players such as Engram too.
RE: the "mysterious quad injury" - wasn't that the leg whip by the Eagles player that caused that?
Think maybe they need to start thinking of Engram as wr and les of a TE.
Between OBJ, Shepard, & Engram -those are three pretty good options. And, then there is Barkley - although I wonder what percentage of those receptions were dumpoffs.
So, I am not as concerned about the recieving corps. Three main targets, one very dangerous, one could develop into becoming more dangerous. And reliable Shepard.
I really hope that Coleman can figure things out and stick for at least another year and maybe - he could be the sceret weapon. He definitely has the speed to take the top off a defense.
by far the best receiver for Eli has been P Burress the tall WR who is big target and can let Eli throw imperfect ball but WR still comes down with it
it is strange that Giants never tried to get another similar WR for Eli
I think they tried several times with mid round picks. Do you mean a tall first rounder? If Nicks wasn’t tall enough to suit you, then NO they haven’t tried.
Yes, but he played with the injury the following week before being shut down the final four games. At the time, it sounded like it was a day-to-day injury that turned into a week-to-week injury.
fulfill his potential. But, even if he doesn't I think he can have a lot of value if he play well enough to be the 3rd wr or even 4th. That kind of speed has to be respected.
So talking about a #2 WR's blocking as his strong suit is a problem according to you?
Let's talk analytics. On a team with OBJ, SB and EE (not to mention SS) on the field with Eli at QB, you want to run the ball as often or likely more often than you pass. Especially in the NFC east in an open air stadium, a d especially in the season of playoff football in December and January.
Your "2nd receiver" should be at best your 4th target choice; otherwise you clearly over-drafted Odell, Engram, and Barkley.
So you are talking about a guy that on average would be targeted no more than 8 times per game or even less. From 70 offensive snaps to that leaves 62 of them where he's either a decoy or a blocker. Let's give him 8 targets and 8 primary decoy roles, that still leaves 54 plays where his main contribution is likely blocking. If you want to count only running plays it's still 35 (assuming 50/50 run pass balance is ideal, (when it's really not) running plays vs 16 passing plays where he is primary target or even primary decoy.
You guys thinking a WR II is a priority are making the same mistake Reese did over and over again.
RE: Eric you take criticism like a teen age girl. Â
So talking about a #2 WR's blocking as his strong suit is a problem according to you?
Let's talk analytics. On a team with OBJ, SB and EE (not to mention SS) on the field with Eli at QB, you want to run the ball as often or likely more often than you pass. Especially in the NFC east in an open air stadium, a d especially in the season of playoff football in December and January.
Your "2nd receiver" should be at best your 4th target choice; otherwise you clearly over-drafted Odell, Engram, and Barkley.
So you are talking about a guy that on average would be targeted no more than 8 times per game or even less. From 70 offensive snaps to that leaves 62 of them where he's either a decoy or a blocker. Let's give him 8 targets and 8 primary decoy roles, that still leaves 54 plays where his main contribution is likely blocking. If you want to count only running plays it's still 35 (assuming 50/50 run pass balance is ideal, (when it's really not) running plays vs 16 passing plays where he is primary target or even primary decoy.
You guys thinking a WR II is a priority are making the same mistake Reese did over and over again.
But there is a difference between having a need and being a priority.
This offense works starting with Barkley. Give him a decent OLand we have the makings of a good offense. Work off an effective play action throwing to OBJ plus Shepard and Engram and pretty average WR and this offense will score points. But, the key is a good OL and if they draft a WR high, it’ll either mean incredible value or OBJ is hurt or traded.
My needs are always my highest priorities, whatever is less than a need is always a lower priority.
In other words, needs have to be sorted by relevance. Another quality WR on this team is a much lower need IMO than having at minimum league average players at RT and OC and RG and DL and LB and FS and Lord love a Duck at QB.
Not worth getting into it with him. My article is a review of the WR position with the summary that it is a top heavy spot on the roster with a bunch of dregs after the top two guys.
Somehow this guy has turned that review into a supposed call by me that WR is the number one offseason priority for the franchise.
Spoiler alert... by the end of this series it will look like virtually every position is a priority. Why? Because this team is full of holes.
Not worth getting into it with him. My article is a review of the WR position with the summary that it is a top heavy spot on the roster with a bunch of dregs after the top two guys.
Somehow this guy has turned that review into a supposed call by me that WR is the number one offseason priority for the franchise.
Spoiler alert... by the end of this series it will look like virtually every position is a priority. Why? Because this team is full of holes.
But that's a problem in your analyses. By the definition of the term, not every position can be a "priority." The Giants have only two high draft picks and cap space for only 1 top FA. To rebuild the team properly, to even have a shot to rebuild it properly, they have to prioritize certain positions.
As for manners, frankly I expected better insight from you than a piece any number of posters here could have scribbled. When I challenged you, you doubled down with a one line quip. It might be better mannered than what I wrote, but it sure isn't reasoned dialogue, either.
And need v. Priority is semantics. Those content with the Fowler/Latimer/Sheppard triumvrate wush to ignore the modern passing game which requires speed and multiple targets to beat the good teams and advance in the playoffs. It's not a question of who "should" be the order of the options but who the defense gives you as the order of the options.
Sterling Shepard will be a UFA -- the Giants need developing talent at all positions including WR.
Additionally, the notion your 2nd WR is the 4th option in the passing progressions is comical.
On a vast majority of plays the RB is the checkdown and on a number of additional plays even if the tight end is running a route he started out chipping.
The tight end and RB might be better players, but in the pass game the point is to get most yards, and frankly the Giants checked down way too often last year.
I can see WR as a potential need, but one can be hopeful that one of these no-names steps up. I would put hopes on Latimer or Coleman of course. They are talented people and sometimes young men need to face the music and grow in age before they reach maturity. One can hope.
I will be interested when you review DEs, DBs, and safeties and your thoughts on overall priorities.
Eric, these are always one of my favorite features on the site.
This review underscores why the Giants cannot and should not trade Beckham in 2019. (2020 could make sense) Sure you could land a ton of picks but you are taking a massive cap hit on an already cap strapped team. And as Eric’s write up points out, you have no replacement for Beckham. Shepherd is not a #1 WR. And I’d argue is best suited as a #3. Trade OBJ and you can count on Saquon seeing 8 men in the box on just about every down, with no outside WR threat to make the defense pay. For the trade OBJ crowd, what’s your backup plan? Sign the aging and broken Demaryius Thomas?
Also, this is not a good offseason to trade OBJ because of the Antonio Brown situation. If you’re are team looking to land a star WR the Steelers are nearly forced to unload Brown. Why would any team give a boatload of picks for Beckham, when Brown is about to be shipped out for a discounted rate.
This team has enough needs without creating a need to get two WTs instead of one.
I wrote a piece with my thoughts on the how the WRs did in 2018.
You called it "shallow and one dimensional" because I didn't mention Sheppard's blocking.
I responded by saying "give me a break."
You then responded by saying I "take criticism like a teen age girl".
Now you are pretending to be the one who took the high road?!? You didn't offer constructive criticism ("hey Eric, you should have mentioned his value as a blocker"). You started off with insults.
You're a product of the era... an internet/social media tough guy who is used to getting away with casting insults that you would never dare do when confronting someone face-to-face.
Eric, these are always one of my favorite features on the site.
This review underscores why the Giants cannot and should not trade Beckham in 2019. (2020 could make sense) Sure you could land a ton of picks but you are taking a massive cap hit on an already cap strapped team. And as Eric’s write up points out, you have no replacement for Beckham. Shepherd is not a #1 WR. And I’d argue is best suited as a #3. Trade OBJ and you can count on Saquon seeing 8 men in the box on just about every down, with no outside WR threat to make the defense pay. For the trade OBJ crowd, what’s your backup plan? Sign the aging and broken Demaryius Thomas?
Also, this is not a good offseason to trade OBJ because of the Antonio Brown situation. If you’re are team looking to land a star WR the Steelers are nearly forced to unload Brown. Why would any team give a boatload of picks for Beckham, when Brown is about to be shipped out for a discounted rate.
This team has enough needs without creating a need to get two WTs instead of one.
Trading Beckham this offseason makes no sense unless the Giants (1) think Beckham is a huge liability in the locker room and/or (2) they receive king's ransom in return (not likely).
As you said, if you trade Beckham, who the hell plays WR for this team? Sheppard is not an outside WR, he's a slot guy. Secondly, the salary cap ramifications would be so harmful as to cast serious doubt on the competency of the new regime that just gave the guy a huge monster contract.
Eric, these are always one of my favorite features on the site.
This review underscores why the Giants cannot and should not trade Beckham in 2019. (2020 could make sense) Sure you could land a ton of picks but you are taking a massive cap hit on an already cap strapped team. And as Eric’s write up points out, you have no replacement for Beckham. Shepherd is not a #1 WR. And I’d argue is best suited as a #3. Trade OBJ and you can count on Saquon seeing 8 men in the box on just about every down, with no outside WR threat to make the defense pay. For the trade OBJ crowd, what’s your backup plan? Sign the aging and broken Demaryius Thomas?
Also, this is not a good offseason to trade OBJ because of the Antonio Brown situation. If you’re are team looking to land a star WR the Steelers are nearly forced to unload Brown. Why would any team give a boatload of picks for Beckham, when Brown is about to be shipped out for a discounted rate.
This team has enough needs without creating a need to get two WTs instead of one.
Trading Beckham this offseason makes no sense unless the Giants (1) think Beckham is a huge liability in the locker room and/or (2) they receive king's ransom in return (not likely).
As you said, if you trade Beckham, who the hell plays WR for this team? Sheppard is not an outside WR, he's a slot guy. Secondly, the salary cap ramifications would be so harmful as to cast serious doubt on the competency of the new regime that just gave the guy a huge monster contract.
Bingo!!!
You are looking at another 3-13 type season. Maybe 5-11 if you are lucky.
If you trade OBJ you might as well release Eli, cause you are going to need the cap space and you are not going to win anyway. And people can say what they want about Mara, but I have no doubt he wants to win.
except Collins are locked in. 5 win team - lost a lot of close games. Biggets issue was OLine and they played a lot better during second half of season.
There really isn't a dominant team in the league right now. There are 4-5 very good teams.
SS is only a slot receiver....when he is forced to play as the #1 WR position(when OBj is hurt), he is less effective....does not have great speed, does not get much separation, has drops, and sometimes he and Eli are not on the same page....
After that, there is basically nothing....I can't get too excited about 2 catches by Latimer in the last game of the season....
We need a 3rd wideout....
SS is only a slot receiver....when he is forced to play as the #1 WR position(when OBj is hurt), he is less effective....does not have great speed, does not get much separation, has drops, and sometimes he and Eli are not on the same page....
After that, there is basically nothing....I can't get too excited about 2 catches by Latimer in the last game of the season....
We need a 3rd wideout....
The Latimer catches in the last game were spectacular, but the guy seems unable to create separation (hence the need to make circus catches). I also can't get over how invisible he was before he got hurt.
I don't understand fans who say WR is not a need.
And the idea that other teams have studs at WR on their bench is ludicrous.
Look at the Ram's... Once Cooper Kupp went down the rest of them including supposed #1 Cooks, #2 Robert Woods, and #4 Josh Reynolds couldn't catch a cold, or get decent separation, or kick ass blocking.
That's an SB team. The Pats got Ped Edelman and a pile of hay at WR too, the other SB team.
Yeah in a deep draft we should target a WR in the mid to later rounds, but let's not pretend he'd be a big factor in 2019.
It would be nice to upgrade for sure but if you're serious about building a team in the trenches then WR2 is probably a good spot to concede resources.
And the idea that other teams have studs at WR on their bench is ludicrous.
Look at the Ram's... Once Cooper Kupp went down the rest of them including supposed #1 Cooks, #2 Robert Woods, and #4 Josh Reynolds couldn't catch a cold, or get decent separation, or kick ass blocking.
That's an SB team. The Pats got Ped Edelman and a pile of hay at WR too, the other SB team.
Yeah in a deep draft we should target a WR in the mid to later rounds, but let's not pretend he'd be a big factor in 2019.
Give me a break. Shepard is a WR, not a guard. He had a few highlight blocks this year, but he's being paid to make plays in the passing game.
Bennie Fowler? Cody Latimer? Russell Shepard? I don't think you have a firm grasp at just how bad our WR corps is.
It would be nice to upgrade for sure but if you're serious about building a team in the trenches then WR2 is probably a good spot to concede resources.
You might feel differently if OBJ tears his ACL.
I do like Paris Campbell a bit in the middle rounds, though.
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When you're constructing your roster, you have to choose your spots and WR2 is simply much lower on the list. That other outside WR is the 5th option in the passing game behind OBJ, Barkley, Shep and Engram. I think a mix of Latimer, Coleman and Russell Shephard is fine as the 5th option in the offense. Injury to OBJ? Sure we're screwed. However you can still run the offense through Barkley and highlight Engram more in the passing game. You can make the case that if Solder or Jenkins get injured we're screwed as well.
It would be nice to upgrade for sure but if you're serious about building a team in the trenches then WR2 is probably a good spot to concede resources.
You might feel differently if OBJ tears his ACL.
Thats a might if OBJ gets injured.. Our OL and DL have sucked for far too long to the point where it didn't even matter if both OBJ and Barkley were on the field together.. I'd rather them spend that resource on a backup OL or DL than spend any more resources on skill players.. Between OBJ, Shep, Engram and Barkley we already have more investment in skill positions than say KC chiefs.. or heck the RAMS.. and look how good their offenses are..
But he's not worth the 6, and he wont be there in the 2nd round
We're not a good football team. We have holes all over this roster.
Bennie Fowler was a starting WR on this team.
I have been watching JJ Arcega-Whiteside highlights, and man he has holes in his game, but his ability to box out the defender is something special. Eli would love this guy. Any Qb's would, but Eli loves going to the matchup and throwing it up and letting the WR make a play on the ball. He would vastly improve our redzone production that's for sure. There are going to be a lot of good players in round 2 this year.
This team has already invested a large amount of draft capital on offensive skill positions. Either learn to identify solid finds in the later rounds or grab a FA.
it is strange that Giants never tried to get another similar WR for Eli
Imo, we know the defense is in need of a huge turnover but the best way for this team to start stringing wins together is to fix that OL. We can control the ball/clock and keep our D off the field like Dalls has done recently. That is the best way to mask a lot of our issues until we can put some good drafts together to fix the D.
I have to say that I wanted Shurmur but I wasn't happy with season one. It took him too long to understand this team and personnel. And when we had Beckham I wasn't crazy how he was used especially seeing how Thielen and Diggs were used. I think he learned from his first year so I hope I see more from him with regards to our players such as Engram too.
Think maybe they need to start thinking of Engram as wr and les of a TE.
Between OBJ, Shepard, & Engram -those are three pretty good options. And, then there is Barkley - although I wonder what percentage of those receptions were dumpoffs.
So, I am not as concerned about the recieving corps. Three main targets, one very dangerous, one could develop into becoming more dangerous. And reliable Shepard.
I really hope that Coleman can figure things out and stick for at least another year and maybe - he could be the sceret weapon. He definitely has the speed to take the top off a defense.
it is strange that Giants never tried to get another similar WR for Eli
I think they tried several times with mid round picks. Do you mean a tall first rounder? If Nicks wasn’t tall enough to suit you, then NO they haven’t tried.
Let's talk analytics. On a team with OBJ, SB and EE (not to mention SS) on the field with Eli at QB, you want to run the ball as often or likely more often than you pass. Especially in the NFC east in an open air stadium, a d especially in the season of playoff football in December and January.
Your "2nd receiver" should be at best your 4th target choice; otherwise you clearly over-drafted Odell, Engram, and Barkley.
So you are talking about a guy that on average would be targeted no more than 8 times per game or even less. From 70 offensive snaps to that leaves 62 of them where he's either a decoy or a blocker. Let's give him 8 targets and 8 primary decoy roles, that still leaves 54 plays where his main contribution is likely blocking. If you want to count only running plays it's still 35 (assuming 50/50 run pass balance is ideal, (when it's really not) running plays vs 16 passing plays where he is primary target or even primary decoy.
You guys thinking a WR II is a priority are making the same mistake Reese did over and over again.
Let's talk analytics. On a team with OBJ, SB and EE (not to mention SS) on the field with Eli at QB, you want to run the ball as often or likely more often than you pass. Especially in the NFC east in an open air stadium, a d especially in the season of playoff football in December and January.
Your "2nd receiver" should be at best your 4th target choice; otherwise you clearly over-drafted Odell, Engram, and Barkley.
So you are talking about a guy that on average would be targeted no more than 8 times per game or even less. From 70 offensive snaps to that leaves 62 of them where he's either a decoy or a blocker. Let's give him 8 targets and 8 primary decoy roles, that still leaves 54 plays where his main contribution is likely blocking. If you want to count only running plays it's still 35 (assuming 50/50 run pass balance is ideal, (when it's really not) running plays vs 16 passing plays where he is primary target or even primary decoy.
You guys thinking a WR II is a priority are making the same mistake Reese did over and over again.
But there is a difference between having a need and being a priority.
In other words, needs have to be sorted by relevance. Another quality WR on this team is a much lower need IMO than having at minimum league average players at RT and OC and RG and DL and LB and FS and Lord love a Duck at QB.
It's bizarre to see it any other way IMO.
Somehow this guy has turned that review into a supposed call by me that WR is the number one offseason priority for the franchise.
Spoiler alert... by the end of this series it will look like virtually every position is a priority. Why? Because this team is full of holes.
Somehow this guy has turned that review into a supposed call by me that WR is the number one offseason priority for the franchise.
Spoiler alert... by the end of this series it will look like virtually every position is a priority. Why? Because this team is full of holes.
But that's a problem in your analyses. By the definition of the term, not every position can be a "priority." The Giants have only two high draft picks and cap space for only 1 top FA. To rebuild the team properly, to even have a shot to rebuild it properly, they have to prioritize certain positions.
As for manners, frankly I expected better insight from you than a piece any number of posters here could have scribbled. When I challenged you, you doubled down with a one line quip. It might be better mannered than what I wrote, but it sure isn't reasoned dialogue, either.
Add Engram and Barkley receiving skills...
Wrs and Dbs should be drafted every year.
I want OL fixed and whatever is needed to stop the run.
And need v. Priority is semantics. Those content with the Fowler/Latimer/Sheppard triumvrate wush to ignore the modern passing game which requires speed and multiple targets to beat the good teams and advance in the playoffs. It's not a question of who "should" be the order of the options but who the defense gives you as the order of the options.
Additionally, the notion your 2nd WR is the 4th option in the passing progressions is comical.
On a vast majority of plays the RB is the checkdown and on a number of additional plays even if the tight end is running a route he started out chipping.
The tight end and RB might be better players, but in the pass game the point is to get most yards, and frankly the Giants checked down way too often last year.
I can see WR as a potential need, but one can be hopeful that one of these no-names steps up. I would put hopes on Latimer or Coleman of course. They are talented people and sometimes young men need to face the music and grow in age before they reach maturity. One can hope.
I will be interested when you review DEs, DBs, and safeties and your thoughts on overall priorities.
This review underscores why the Giants cannot and should not trade Beckham in 2019. (2020 could make sense) Sure you could land a ton of picks but you are taking a massive cap hit on an already cap strapped team. And as Eric’s write up points out, you have no replacement for Beckham. Shepherd is not a #1 WR. And I’d argue is best suited as a #3. Trade OBJ and you can count on Saquon seeing 8 men in the box on just about every down, with no outside WR threat to make the defense pay. For the trade OBJ crowd, what’s your backup plan? Sign the aging and broken Demaryius Thomas?
Also, this is not a good offseason to trade OBJ because of the Antonio Brown situation. If you’re are team looking to land a star WR the Steelers are nearly forced to unload Brown. Why would any team give a boatload of picks for Beckham, when Brown is about to be shipped out for a discounted rate.
This team has enough needs without creating a need to get two WTs instead of one.
I wrote a piece with my thoughts on the how the WRs did in 2018.
You called it "shallow and one dimensional" because I didn't mention Sheppard's blocking.
I responded by saying "give me a break."
You then responded by saying I "take criticism like a teen age girl".
Now you are pretending to be the one who took the high road?!? You didn't offer constructive criticism ("hey Eric, you should have mentioned his value as a blocker"). You started off with insults.
You're a product of the era... an internet/social media tough guy who is used to getting away with casting insults that you would never dare do when confronting someone face-to-face.
This review underscores why the Giants cannot and should not trade Beckham in 2019. (2020 could make sense) Sure you could land a ton of picks but you are taking a massive cap hit on an already cap strapped team. And as Eric’s write up points out, you have no replacement for Beckham. Shepherd is not a #1 WR. And I’d argue is best suited as a #3. Trade OBJ and you can count on Saquon seeing 8 men in the box on just about every down, with no outside WR threat to make the defense pay. For the trade OBJ crowd, what’s your backup plan? Sign the aging and broken Demaryius Thomas?
Also, this is not a good offseason to trade OBJ because of the Antonio Brown situation. If you’re are team looking to land a star WR the Steelers are nearly forced to unload Brown. Why would any team give a boatload of picks for Beckham, when Brown is about to be shipped out for a discounted rate.
This team has enough needs without creating a need to get two WTs instead of one.
Trading Beckham this offseason makes no sense unless the Giants (1) think Beckham is a huge liability in the locker room and/or (2) they receive king's ransom in return (not likely).
As you said, if you trade Beckham, who the hell plays WR for this team? Sheppard is not an outside WR, he's a slot guy. Secondly, the salary cap ramifications would be so harmful as to cast serious doubt on the competency of the new regime that just gave the guy a huge monster contract.
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Eric, these are always one of my favorite features on the site.
This review underscores why the Giants cannot and should not trade Beckham in 2019. (2020 could make sense) Sure you could land a ton of picks but you are taking a massive cap hit on an already cap strapped team. And as Eric’s write up points out, you have no replacement for Beckham. Shepherd is not a #1 WR. And I’d argue is best suited as a #3. Trade OBJ and you can count on Saquon seeing 8 men in the box on just about every down, with no outside WR threat to make the defense pay. For the trade OBJ crowd, what’s your backup plan? Sign the aging and broken Demaryius Thomas?
Also, this is not a good offseason to trade OBJ because of the Antonio Brown situation. If you’re are team looking to land a star WR the Steelers are nearly forced to unload Brown. Why would any team give a boatload of picks for Beckham, when Brown is about to be shipped out for a discounted rate.
This team has enough needs without creating a need to get two WTs instead of one.
Trading Beckham this offseason makes no sense unless the Giants (1) think Beckham is a huge liability in the locker room and/or (2) they receive king's ransom in return (not likely).
As you said, if you trade Beckham, who the hell plays WR for this team? Sheppard is not an outside WR, he's a slot guy. Secondly, the salary cap ramifications would be so harmful as to cast serious doubt on the competency of the new regime that just gave the guy a huge monster contract.
Bingo!!!
You are looking at another 3-13 type season. Maybe 5-11 if you are lucky.
If you trade OBJ you might as well release Eli, cause you are going to need the cap space and you are not going to win anyway. And people can say what they want about Mara, but I have no doubt he wants to win.
A team with massive roster turnover, but where the vast majority of new players were on 1 year deals.
At WR the Giants have these players under contract going into the offseason:
Beckham, Shepard, Davis, Russel, Hederson and Coleman is a RFA.
For this team to compete for a championship, they'll need to be better at many areas, including WR.
A person needs braces. That same person needs a kidney transplant. Both are needs but one is obviously a priority over the other.
A team with massive roster turnover, but where the vast majority of new players were on 1 year deals.
At WR the Giants have these players under contract going into the offseason:
Beckham, Shepard, Davis, Russel, Hederson and Coleman is a RFA.
For this team to compete for a championship, they'll need to be better at many areas, including WR.
Just wait until I get started on the defense.
Can you imagine what this team would be like without Barkley and Beckham?
The Giants are a 5 win teams with ~10 starters as free agents, a bunch of regulars unsigned, and some spots with alarming depth.
They're in a bit of different bind than most teams.
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12:07 pm : link : reply
Can you imagine what this team would be like without Barkley and Beckham?
If the Giants had drafted a QB, instead of Barkley, it is quite possible they would not have won a single game this year....
There really isn't a dominant team in the league right now. There are 4-5 very good teams.
The front page? Too obvious?
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