article. We are "top heavy" at WR, just as with a number of other positions. Who is there after OBJ and SS? Everybody else is a "journeymen." Shepard, Latimer, and Fowler are also UFAs.
OBJ is the only WR who can threaten teams vertically. Coleman might be able to, but it certainly isn't a given. He also has a pretty significant injury history.
Remember also that SS is a FA after this year, and may well cost too much to resign.
The fact that we likely won't use a day one or two pick on a WR doesn't mean that it isn't a need.
I have a feeling WR C. Latimer will be re-signed Â
I don't doubt the Giants draft a WR and sign some UFA's. I just don't see us making any big splashes.
I believe OBJ will be a GIANT and if healthy can have a 100-1400-8 type of year IF Eli has more time to throw. He is the only WR we have that challenges DB's deep and without him this offense is limited.
I am hopeful that maybe WR Coleman, with his speed, might finally stay healthy & develop. He has talent but for numerous reasons has never "put it together" but hey, there is always hope right? He doesn't have to be a superstar but it would be great if he upgraded WR #2 over Latimer.
So in a nutshell, maybe we take a WR in the draft and sign a UFA, but I don't see any bombshell moves.
...I'll probably regret attempting to get in the middle of your comments with Eric, but here are my thoughts:
(1) There was nothing "shallow and one dimensional" about what Eric wrote regarding WRs;
(2) And, if you disagree with what he said (or you feel he could have done a better job in discussing WRs in another context), it is certainly your right to express those views;
(3) For the most part, you express several points in this thread that I happen to agree with, and my guess is that Eric probably agrees with some of them as well;
(4) But I cannot see for the life of me why you would start off with such a harsh/negative criticism... especially lodged against the guy who owns this site, and who also happens to be extremely knowledgeable about football in general and the Giants in particular!?!
(5) There are IMO enough posters on this site who (almost reflexively) utter nasty comments because they are safely ensconced behind their computer screens;
(6) There's no need for it and I sure hope you do not sink into that hole;
(7) I look forward to your future comments, and I hope you make them a little bit more graciously.
One aspect of the WR/Engram puzzle that has to be mentioned is who after OBJ can get off the line quickly and well?
Engram is limited by his TE blocking but that's ok if he is an all around receiving TE. Im not sure he is. They got him free by play design. In a tight game and against a playoff defense he has difficulties separating quickly.
Given that every WR except OBJ and Shepard (to some extent) has difficulty getting off the line (with time vital given a barely adequate OL) im in favor of not so much a size WR as a talented off the line 3rd WR ( the kind that gets penalties from the initial pressure they put on cB).
All this matters to give space to Barkley and given that OBJ has a frequent number of games missed per year.
Relative to other needs a rapid separation WR is down the list...but it was a way that good defenses limited us last year
...I'll probably regret attempting to get in the middle of your comments with Eric, but here are my thoughts:
(1) There was nothing "shallow and one dimensional" about what Eric wrote regarding WRs;
(2) And, if you disagree with what he said (or you feel he could have done a better job in discussing WRs in another context), it is certainly your right to express those views;
(3) For the most part, you express several points in this thread that I happen to agree with, and my guess is that Eric probably agrees with some of them as well;
(4) But I cannot see for the life of me why you would start off with such a harsh/negative criticism... especially lodged against the guy who owns this site, and who also happens to be extremely knowledgeable about football in general and the Giants in particular!?!
(5) There are IMO enough posters on this site who (almost reflexively) utter nasty comments because they are safely ensconced behind their computer screens;
(6) There's no need for it and I sure hope you do not sink into that hole;
(7) I look forward to your future comments, and I hope you make them a little bit more graciously.
Thanks for the above sentiments. I went off over the top on Eric, that was my bad, and I killed any chance of dialogue about it, at least with him.
I could make the excuse that I was already soooo tired of seeing people list WR as a "need" as if this team doesn't have at least 5 needs that are greater priorities than WR. I won't bother to list those needs, they're obvious.
The tone I took, heck the actual words were bad choices - very bad choices.
Bill2 - the "need" for a WR is somewhat dependent on their ability to re-sign SS. They may not be able to or want to, but I wish they would so long as they don't overspend. But I can see them trying to unearth someone special with one of their multiple mid-late round picks.
"more was expected from Beckham, Shepard, and Latimer than a total of 154 catches and just 11 touchdown receptions." But with OBJ's injuries and over 160 catches from Saquon, EE and Ellison, perhaps it was just an indication of what the defense was giving us, namely, not much time for Eli to throw to WR's.
Tony Pauline said on his Twitter that Cincinnati will be trying to trade John Ross. Talented guy that landed in a bad spot, and maybe could be had on the cheap. Make sense as the deep threat opposite Beckham? Alternatively, I could see New England talking a shot.
is a top receiver but is their a team with shallower depth at WR?
I don't understand fans who say WR is not a need.
The giants have good starting WRs. They have a good receiving TE and decent blocking TEs.
They don’t “need” a wr like they need edge rushers and nasty LBs. You can talk about another outside guy or depth all you want but wr is not a need like other positions are. Not even close.
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the earlier positional views. I've looked and probably missing something obvious ):
The front page? Too obvious? BBI Home Page - ( New Window )
Thnks. I bookmark the Corner so I looked at the drop down menus on top (Team etc) where I thought they would be).
OBJ is the only WR who can threaten teams vertically. Coleman might be able to, but it certainly isn't a given. He also has a pretty significant injury history.
Remember also that SS is a FA after this year, and may well cost too much to resign.
The fact that we likely won't use a day one or two pick on a WR doesn't mean that it isn't a need.
I believe OBJ will be a GIANT and if healthy can have a 100-1400-8 type of year IF Eli has more time to throw. He is the only WR we have that challenges DB's deep and without him this offense is limited.
I am hopeful that maybe WR Coleman, with his speed, might finally stay healthy & develop. He has talent but for numerous reasons has never "put it together" but hey, there is always hope right? He doesn't have to be a superstar but it would be great if he upgraded WR #2 over Latimer.
So in a nutshell, maybe we take a WR in the draft and sign a UFA, but I don't see any bombshell moves.
...I'll probably regret attempting to get in the middle of your comments with Eric, but here are my thoughts:
(1) There was nothing "shallow and one dimensional" about what Eric wrote regarding WRs;
(2) And, if you disagree with what he said (or you feel he could have done a better job in discussing WRs in another context), it is certainly your right to express those views;
(3) For the most part, you express several points in this thread that I happen to agree with, and my guess is that Eric probably agrees with some of them as well;
(4) But I cannot see for the life of me why you would start off with such a harsh/negative criticism... especially lodged against the guy who owns this site, and who also happens to be extremely knowledgeable about football in general and the Giants in particular!?!
(5) There are IMO enough posters on this site who (almost reflexively) utter nasty comments because they are safely ensconced behind their computer screens;
(6) There's no need for it and I sure hope you do not sink into that hole;
(7) I look forward to your future comments, and I hope you make them a little bit more graciously.
Engram is limited by his TE blocking but that's ok if he is an all around receiving TE. Im not sure he is. They got him free by play design. In a tight game and against a playoff defense he has difficulties separating quickly.
Given that every WR except OBJ and Shepard (to some extent) has difficulty getting off the line (with time vital given a barely adequate OL) im in favor of not so much a size WR as a talented off the line 3rd WR ( the kind that gets penalties from the initial pressure they put on cB).
All this matters to give space to Barkley and given that OBJ has a frequent number of games missed per year.
Relative to other needs a rapid separation WR is down the list...but it was a way that good defenses limited us last year
...I'll probably regret attempting to get in the middle of your comments with Eric, but here are my thoughts:
(1) There was nothing "shallow and one dimensional" about what Eric wrote regarding WRs;
(2) And, if you disagree with what he said (or you feel he could have done a better job in discussing WRs in another context), it is certainly your right to express those views;
(3) For the most part, you express several points in this thread that I happen to agree with, and my guess is that Eric probably agrees with some of them as well;
(4) But I cannot see for the life of me why you would start off with such a harsh/negative criticism... especially lodged against the guy who owns this site, and who also happens to be extremely knowledgeable about football in general and the Giants in particular!?!
(5) There are IMO enough posters on this site who (almost reflexively) utter nasty comments because they are safely ensconced behind their computer screens;
(6) There's no need for it and I sure hope you do not sink into that hole;
(7) I look forward to your future comments, and I hope you make them a little bit more graciously.
Thanks for the above sentiments. I went off over the top on Eric, that was my bad, and I killed any chance of dialogue about it, at least with him.
I could make the excuse that I was already soooo tired of seeing people list WR as a "need" as if this team doesn't have at least 5 needs that are greater priorities than WR. I won't bother to list those needs, they're obvious.
The tone I took, heck the actual words were bad choices - very bad choices.
Bill2 - the "need" for a WR is somewhat dependent on their ability to re-sign SS. They may not be able to or want to, but I wish they would so long as they don't overspend. But I can see them trying to unearth someone special with one of their multiple mid-late round picks.
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is a top receiver but is their a team with shallower depth at WR?
I don't understand fans who say WR is not a need.
The giants have good starting WRs. They have a good receiving TE and decent blocking TEs.
They don’t “need” a wr like they need edge rushers and nasty LBs. You can talk about another outside guy or depth all you want but wr is not a need like other positions are. Not even close.
The giants have to focus on RT and front 7 impact or they won’t win in 2019. Simple as that. Wr can be addressed via the draft or under the radar FA.