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RE: RE: settled or he dropped the case?  
GiantNatty : 2/15/2019 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14297718 MotownGIANTS said:
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Odd timing right on the heels of the revelation that he turned down the AAF - which would have been GREAT evidence for the NFL in any trial (tended to show this guy wasn't so serious about football after all).



You do realize the AAF offer was 75k a yr .... If so you are really reaching ... SMH


Doesn't matter how much it was for - it was an opportunity for him to showcase his talents in the closest league to the NFL. If he crushed it in the AAF, it would strengthen his claim that he's a viable QB. That he turned it down is still very telling as to his confidence in his own abilities. It's absolutely relevant.
RE: Well I guess there is an  
SterlingArcher : 2/15/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14297687 .McL. said:
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admission of sorts that some collusion was going on somewhere in this country in 2016 and beyond...
Not sure what you are implying, can you be more specific.
RE: RE: RE: settled or he dropped the case?  
Mad Mike : 2/15/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14297758 GiantNatty said:
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Doesn't matter how much it was for - it was an opportunity for him to showcase his talents in the closest league to the NFL. If he crushed it in the AAF, it would strengthen his claim that he's a viable QB. That he turned it down is still very telling as to his confidence in his own abilities. It's absolutely relevant.

Only he knows, but I think it's silly to think the reason he turned it down was concern that his performance would make him look like he's lost his abilities.
My guess is they probably found some texts or emails  
bradshaw44 : 2/15/2019 4:34 pm : link
during the investigation that may not have been collusion, but something more damning to the image of the owners. By adding an ND clause they save some of the owners the damaged images they may have suffered. As well as possibly being forced to sell their teams.

Just a guess. Although if Kap was really down for his cause he would have turned down the money and blown the lid off the NFL. I guess we will never know.
Reed was part of the settlement  
Jay in Toronto : 2/15/2019 4:42 pm : link
I think the gag is about the terms of the agreement. I can't believe it would gag him from speaking his mind about vulnerabilities of young black men etc.
RE: Could it simply be...  
bw in dc : 2/15/2019 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14297751 Jim in Tampa said:
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That this was just a no-win situation for the owners and they paid to have it go away?

Not saying there wasn't collusion but the NFL might have felt that letting this drag on would, in the long run, cost them a lot more than 60M-80M from the bad PR, even if they "won".


Probably. I'm sure the NFL did a cost-benefit analysis of multiple outcomes and decided this was the best way to bring this to an end, and try to keep it confidential. Take the one-time hit and hope Kaepernick fades away.

Only a matter of time before the details get leaked.
So what will happen if another player starts the whole  
bradshaw44 : 2/15/2019 4:48 pm : link
kneeling thing again? Honest question, how will it be handled? Was there something in this deal that makes CK call off the protest?
RE: RE: Good for him.  
Mdgiantsfan : 2/15/2019 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14297720 Jay on the Island said:
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Next time, just commit a violent crime, Colin - you’ll get plenty of chances.


Or if he somehow becomes a good QB he will get a chance. Does anyone honestly believe that if Kaepernick was a franchise or even above average quarterback he wouldn't have gotten any offers? Teams wouldn't have hesitated to give him a big contract if he was in fact good.


You do realize that this man took a team to the Super Bowl and couldn't get a shake after the kneeling, yet Nate "freaking" Pederman threw 4 or 5 picks in his first game and got no better from there. Yet he still can get a backup gig. I didn't think he was a top tier QB, but he's much better than many that are holding clipboards and some that are starters.

I know many are fatigued by the racial issue, but imagine being on the other end of the spectrum where you are on the receiving end of racism. They get tired of it too!
RE: RE: RE: Good for him.  
bradshaw44 : 2/15/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14297774 Mdgiantsfan said:
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Next time, just commit a violent crime, Colin - you’ll get plenty of chances.


Or if he somehow becomes a good QB he will get a chance. Does anyone honestly believe that if Kaepernick was a franchise or even above average quarterback he wouldn't have gotten any offers? Teams wouldn't have hesitated to give him a big contract if he was in fact good.



You do realize that this man took a team to the Super Bowl and couldn't get a shake after the kneeling, yet Nate "freaking" Pederman threw 4 or 5 picks in his first game and got no better from there. Yet he still can get a backup gig. I didn't think he was a top tier QB, but he's much better than many that are holding clipboards and some that are starters.

I know many are fatigued by the racial issue, but imagine being on the other end of the spectrum where you are on the receiving end of racism. They get tired of it too!


CK didn't want a back up job. At least not for back up money. That's a problem when he won't sign for Pederman money.
RE: RE: RE: Good for him.  
madgiantscow009 : 2/15/2019 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14297774 Mdgiantsfan said:
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Next time, just commit a violent crime, Colin - you’ll get plenty of chances.


Or if he somehow becomes a good QB he will get a chance. Does anyone honestly believe that if Kaepernick was a franchise or even above average quarterback he wouldn't have gotten any offers? Teams wouldn't have hesitated to give him a big contract if he was in fact good.



You do realize that this man took a team to the Super Bowl and couldn't get a shake after the kneeling, yet Nate "freaking" Pederman threw 4 or 5 picks in his first game and got no better from there. Yet he still can get a backup gig. I didn't think he was a top tier QB, but he's much better than many that are holding clipboards and some that are starters.

I know many are fatigued by the racial issue, but imagine being on the other end of the spectrum where you are on the receiving end of racism. They get tired of it too!


race agitation is big business. There's another fake news/hoax breaking today.
I’ve posted it on here before  
TurdFurguson : 2/15/2019 5:05 pm : link
Google QB Rating during the last year Kapernick was QB. Solidly middle of the pack of NFL Starters. He’s a Starting NFL QB.
RE: RE: RE: Good for him.  
Jay on the Island : 2/15/2019 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14297774 Mdgiantsfan said:
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Next time, just commit a violent crime, Colin - you’ll get plenty of chances.


Or if he somehow becomes a good QB he will get a chance. Does anyone honestly believe that if Kaepernick was a franchise or even above average quarterback he wouldn't have gotten any offers? Teams wouldn't have hesitated to give him a big contract if he was in fact good.



You do realize that this man took a team to the Super Bowl and couldn't get a shake after the kneeling, yet Nate "freaking" Pederman threw 4 or 5 picks in his first game and got no better from there. Yet he still can get a backup gig. I didn't think he was a top tier QB, but he's much better than many that are holding clipboards and some that are starters.

I know many are fatigued by the racial issue, but imagine being on the other end of the spectrum where you are on the receiving end of racism. They get tired of it too!

Ah yes he is clearly a victim. A victim who received millions more from Nike than he would have received as a journeyman backup. Alex Smith nearly took the 49ers to the SB the year before and had much better numbers in Harbaugh's scheme.
this was a good deal  
lightemup : 2/15/2019 5:25 pm : link
for the NFL. This doesn't mean anything in terms of admission of guilt. The NFL is a billion dollar business. 60-80 million dollars is nothing to get this guy to go away.

There was probably no collusion going on. These are billion dollar business men. They didn't get to where they are by making careless decisions. signing Kaepernick to be a backup makes no sense for their business. Very little reward for the risk
RE: I’ve posted it on here before  
Jay on the Island : 2/15/2019 5:30 pm : link
In comment 14297781 TurdFurguson said:
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Google QB Rating during the last year Kapernick was QB. Solidly middle of the pack of NFL Starters. He’s a Starting NFL QB.

Is Jason Campbell a starting NFL QB? Their QB ratings are very similar which is proof that QB rating isn't a great barometer in evaluating QB's.
RE: RE: I’ve posted it on here before  
Motley Two : 2/15/2019 5:54 pm : link
In comment 14297801 Jay on the Island said:
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Google QB Rating during the last year Kapernick was QB. Solidly middle of the pack of NFL Starters. He’s a Starting NFL QB.


Is Jason Campbell a starting NFL QB? Their QB ratings are very similar which is proof that QB rating isn't a great barometer in evaluating QB's.


"No. No. I use many stats. Let me tell you...You have stats that are far worse than the ones that I use, but I use many stats."
RE: RE: RE: settled or he dropped the case?  
FStubbs : 2/15/2019 6:15 pm : link
In comment 14297758 GiantNatty said:
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Odd timing right on the heels of the revelation that he turned down the AAF - which would have been GREAT evidence for the NFL in any trial (tended to show this guy wasn't so serious about football after all).



You do realize the AAF offer was 75k a yr .... If so you are really reaching ... SMH



Doesn't matter how much it was for - it was an opportunity for him to showcase his talents in the closest league to the NFL. If he crushed it in the AAF, it would strengthen his claim that he's a viable QB. That he turned it down is still very telling as to his confidence in his own abilities. It's absolutely relevant.


I don't think it's relevant. Kaepernick has been gone from the game long enough to where skill erosion is a definite possibility and legitimate reason not to sign him. Has no bearing on when he was blackballed.
Dumb  
Eli owns all : 2/15/2019 6:24 pm : link
Question but why couldn’t Tebow sue the nfl? It was made clear Tebow wasn’t worth the circus media that he brings. I would argue Tebow at his time was worth a top 64 qb slot. I think both kapernick and Tebow both suck by the way.
He deserved to get another chance  
GeoMan999 : 2/15/2019 6:30 pm : link
There was something strange going on. The NFL got duped and manipulated by the idiot........

RE: RE: Could it simply be...  
christian : 2/15/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14297769 bw in dc said:
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That this was just a no-win situation for the owners and they paid to have it go away?

Not saying there wasn't collusion but the NFL might have felt that letting this drag on would, in the long run, cost them a lot more than 60M-80M from the bad PR, even if they "won".



Probably. I'm sure the NFL did a cost-benefit analysis of multiple outcomes and decided this was the best way to bring this to an end, and try to keep it confidential. Take the one-time hit and hope Kaepernick fades away.

Only a matter of time before the details get leaked.


When you look at the motley crew of absolutely assholes who own NFL teams, and the closed loop culture that allowed someone to literally record and release their closed door sessions, good chance someone said something abhorrent on record and the NFL didn't want this released.
Personally I don't like either side very much...  
.McL. : 2/15/2019 6:36 pm : link
The NFL owners are idiots for not being appropriately sensitive to the situation and letting it get out of control.

My opinion of Kaep is that he is not a starting quality QB, and he knows it. He started the kneel down thing because it was something he believed in and it is a valid concern for society. But, I also believe that he sensed that it had morphed into something else, and he moved to take advantage of it. He has now gotten a payday beyond anything he could have expected playing in the NFL, and he hasn't had to sacrifice his body. He can now sit back and live a life of luxury that he didn't really earn. Gotta give him credit for a smart move. I doubt that ever even attempts to play another down of professional football.
RE: Personally I don't like either side very much...  
Diver_Down : 2/15/2019 6:40 pm : link
In comment 14297830 .McL. said:
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The NFL owners are idiots for not being appropriately sensitive to the situation and letting it get out of control.

My opinion of Kaep is that he is not a starting quality QB, and he knows it. He started the kneel down thing because it was something he believed in and it is a valid concern for society. But, I also believe that he sensed that it had morphed into something else, and he moved to take advantage of it. He has now gotten a payday beyond anything he could have expected playing in the NFL, and he hasn't had to sacrifice his body. He can now sit back and live a life of luxury that he didn't really earn. Gotta give him credit for a smart move. I doubt that ever even attempts to play another down of professional football.


To your last point, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the condition of the settlement is that CK does not pursue employment with an NFL team. He could very well attempt to catch on with the CFL or the XFL, but he'll never be paid what he thinks he is worth.
RE: RE: Personally I don't like either side very much...  
.McL. : 2/15/2019 6:44 pm : link
In comment 14297835 Diver_Down said:
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To your last point, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the condition of the settlement is that CK does not pursue employment with an NFL team. He could very well attempt to catch on with the CFL or the XFL, but he'll never be paid what he thinks he is worth.


You may be right about the NFL stipulation... But then playing in any other league is a huge risk to his brand if it turns out he sucks. Not worth it. Better to take the advertising contracts, and play the SJW... More $$$ in that.
Good for him....  
Reb8thVA : 2/15/2019 6:49 pm : link
He deserves it. It was obvious from the begining. Maybe the owners will think twice next time.
Total hypocrite  
big canoe jeff : 2/15/2019 6:52 pm : link
Opted out of 9ers contract looking for a big pay day before he kneeled.
Yea NFL payed him off$$$$ big time if he was truly a man of the people would donate all his money to socialist agendas
RE: Total hypocrite  
Reb8thVA : 2/15/2019 6:56 pm : link
In comment 14297845 big canoe jeff said:
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Opted out of 9ers contract looking for a big pay day before he kneeled.
Yea NFL payed him off$$$$ big time if he was truly a man of the people would donate all his money to socialist agendas


Yes Comrade! Workers of the world unite and overthrow your bourgeoisie oppressors!
Conrad Kap can’t talk about the $60-80mm  
big canoe jeff : 2/15/2019 7:06 pm : link
But he can sure quietly donate it
RE: Conrad Kap can’t talk about the $60-80mm  
wigs in nyc : 2/15/2019 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14297853 big canoe jeff said:
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But he can sure quietly donate it


that’s right! unless he donates all of the money to which he is entitled (and much of which he may have earned outright if he received a contract on merit) he’s a fraud and a hypocrite!
big canoe  
XBRONX : 2/15/2019 7:15 pm : link
Thanks for the laughs
This thread doesn’t feel like a conversation about the NFL.  
Default : 2/15/2019 7:22 pm : link
It feels like a comment section on foxnews.com.
Of course spineless owners caved  
big canoe jeff : 2/15/2019 7:23 pm : link
$ 60-80mm fuckin heist take the $$$ and run
Too fuckin bad  
big canoe jeff : 2/15/2019 7:24 pm : link
Unfortunately politics is everywhere
RE: This thread doesn’t feel like a conversation about the NFL.  
FStubbs : 2/15/2019 7:51 pm : link
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It feels like a comment section on foxnews.com.


And now you understand why NFL teams blackballed him.
RE: RE: RE: I’ve posted it on here before  
TurdFurguson : 2/15/2019 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14297805 Motley Two said:
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Google QB Rating during the last year Kapernick was QB. Solidly middle of the pack of NFL Starters. He’s a Starting NFL QB.


Is Jason Campbell a starting NFL QB? Their QB ratings are very similar which is proof that QB rating isn't a great barometer in evaluating QB's.



"No. No. I use many stats. Let me tell you...You have stats that are far worse than the ones that I use, but I use many stats."


A simple google search shows (via Pro Football Reference) Campbell with a career rating of 81.7 and Kaepernick with 88.9. Not sure how that’s similar unless we’re going in 10-level increments. Then we can play all kinds of games with numbers! I can make claims too without backing them up.

Your name, btw Motley, checks out in line with your comment.
Also, if you are old school  
TurdFurguson : 2/15/2019 8:12 pm : link
Did Jason Campbell look remotely like the player Kaep was at their highs?
He ducked before this happened  
kes722 : 2/15/2019 9:16 pm : link
And was benched before "pig socks"

No one gives a flying fuck what you do as long as you are good at your job

LT, ray Lewis, Ray rice, Sue, TO , Plax, Stallworth, no one gives a shit about how awful these guys were because they were good at what they did.
kes  
wigs in nyc : 2/15/2019 9:29 pm : link
people don’t care if you are a piece of shit, that’s obvious.

what is also obvious is that people care a great deal if you suggest that maybe some police are a piece of shit.
He deserves nothing  
uconngiant : 2/16/2019 12:21 am : link
Sorry but he was his own worst enemy. Most has to deal with his girlfriend who hooked up with.
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charlito : 2/16/2019 8:36 am : link
Colin Kaepernick last five full games in 2016:

64.6 completion percentage on 164 attempts1,093 passing yards for 9 TD, 2 INT and passer rating of 96.927 rushes for 188 yards and 1 TD
Big contract came after that season  
charlito : 2/16/2019 8:37 am : link
Jimmy Garoppolo last five full games in 2017: 

67.1 completion percentage on 176 attempts1,542 passing yards for 6 TD, 5 INT and passer rating of 94.014 rushes for 7 yards and 1 TD
It's funny to see the narrative here  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 2/16/2019 9:33 am : link
Despite the fact that the NFL paid out what was likely tens of millions of dollars to Kaep for this debacle, what this really proves is that there was no collusion or blackballing and it's really a big loss for Kaepernick.

As we all know, NFL owners are famously generous and are happy to hand out eight figure settlements for no reason at all.
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Jay on the Island : 2/16/2019 9:35 am : link
In comment 14298033 charlito said:
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Colin Kaepernick last five full games in 2016:

64.6 completion percentage on 164 attempts1,093 passing yards for 9 TD, 2 INT and passer rating of 96.927 rushes for 188 yards and 1 TD

Blake Bortles 2015 4428 yards 35 tds 18 int's
Any QB can look good for a small stretch when their team sucks and they are compiling stats in garbage time.
RE: this gives me hope for my case of collusion  
Boy Cord : 2/16/2019 9:41 am : link
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against the NFL. for years they've denied me the opportunity to be either a GM or a kicker in the NFL and it's high time I was compensated for it


You have no case because you are talentless.
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Boy Cord : 2/16/2019 9:47 am : link
In comment 14298081 Jay on the Island said:
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Colin Kaepernick last five full games in 2016:

64.6 completion percentage on 164 attempts1,093 passing yards for 9 TD, 2 INT and passer rating of 96.927 rushes for 188 yards and 1 TD


Blake Bortles 2015 4428 yards 35 tds 18 int's
Any QB can look good for a small stretch when their team sucks and they are compiling stats in garbage time.


He led them to a Super Bowl. And don’t fool yourself. He did lead them. It wasn’t a case of Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer or old Peyton Manning. Kaep has belonged in the NFL. This isn’t cherry picking stats.
RE: RE: RE: Good Riddance  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/16/2019 5:48 pm : link
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He doesn't need to play, I'm sure between this and the Nike deal, he'll have plenty of time to be a full blown "activist" now.




Lots of unclassy posts on BBI. This one is right up there.


Not everyone can be classy like Kaepernick. From wearing socks depicting the police as pigs during training camp or wearing a Fidel Castro shirt and praised him during an interview with Armando Salguero who grew up in Cuba under Castro's oppression.


Visiting a friend today and his dad is recovering from
A car accident. 82. We were talking abou His dad at lunch. Cuban who was put before a firing squad by CAstro and by the grace of God spared. His family had to flea like criminals But hey. Classy Colin admires their literacy rate.

Kal is an pile of shit. His defenders are worse.
Yes defenders  
XBRONX : 2/16/2019 6:05 pm : link
of murdering fascist leaders should be gone from the scene.
RE: It's funny to see the narrative here  
MetsAreBack : 2/16/2019 6:52 pm : link
In comment 14298077 Gary from The East End said:
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Despite the fact that the NFL paid out what was likely tens of millions of dollars to Kaep for this debacle, what this really proves is that there was no collusion or blackballing and it's really a big loss for Kaepernick.

As we all know, NFL owners are famously generous and are happy to hand out eight figure settlements for no reason at all.


I don't think one person here has said 'this proves the NFL didn't collude'

The point of a settlement is that we'll never know what happened. We also have no idea whaf Kaep actually got paid. Maybe it was $80 mil... maybe it was a quarter of that.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Good Riddance  
TurdFurguson : 2/17/2019 12:03 am : link
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He doesn't need to play, I'm sure between this and the Nike deal, he'll have plenty of time to be a full blown "activist" now.




Lots of unclassy posts on BBI. This one is right up there.


Not everyone can be classy like Kaepernick. From wearing socks depicting the police as pigs during training camp or wearing a Fidel Castro shirt and praised him during an interview with Armando Salguero who grew up in Cuba under Castro's oppression.



Visiting a friend today and his dad is recovering from
A car accident. 82. We were talking abou His dad at lunch. Cuban who was put before a firing squad by CAstro and by the grace of God spared. His family had to flea like criminals But hey. Classy Colin admires their literacy rate.

Kal is an pile of shit. His defenders are worse.


I’m not going to argue Castro and Cubans.

But to point out an article of clothing and judge a person’a worth on that alone seems somewhat narrow. But feel free to point to tiny gestures for your confirmation of who he is.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Good Riddance  
Bill L : 2/17/2019 12:09 am : link
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I’m not going to argue Castro and Cubans.

But to point out an article of clothing and judge a person’a worth on that alone seems somewhat narrow. But feel free to point to tiny gestures for your confirmation of who he is.


Ironically, what is all the rage nowadays arguing against your point.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Good Riddance  
TurdFurguson : 2/17/2019 12:24 am : link
In comment 14298627 Bill L said:
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I’m not going to argue Castro and Cubans.

But to point out an article of clothing and judge a person’a worth on that alone seems somewhat narrow. But feel free to point to tiny gestures for your confirmation of who he is.



Ironically, what is all the rage nowadays arguing against your point.


Then it serves to dilute the message. It becomes fashion, not messaging on him supporting castro.
I meant a hat is all the rage  
Bill L : 2/17/2019 12:36 am : link
Or outrage if you wish.
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