Yes he technically is our 3rd round pick. But should he be considered higher/lower than a 3rd? Where would he have gone if he had not come out early? Just looking for opinions on the subject.
of juniors entering the draft so based solely on numbers it isn't working in our favor. Still, the understanding last year when he was available in the supplemental draft was that he could go as high as the second round of the supplemental draft with first round upside as a player. So, I think it was fair to give up our third.
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of juniors entering the draft so based solely on numbers it isn't working in our favor. Still, the understanding last year when he was available in the supplemental draft was that he could go as high as the second round of the supplemental draft with first round upside as a player. So, I think it was fair to give up our third.
I couldn't agree more. It was a very solid gamble by the Giants IMO. It's just unfortunate that he was on IR all season because once the season was lost he would have received plenty of playing time in order to gain as much experience as possible. The one bright spot was that his absence allowed Grant Haley to get plenty of playing time.
If he had a solid year he may have snuck into the 1st Â
Would you rather have that 3rd rnd pick back right now for
the upcoming draft near the top of rnd three?
Beal is still an unknown until he plays.
He’d be an unknown this year, what’s the difference? We lost a year due to his injury which happens all the time. If we spent a 3rd this year and the player gets injured, same thing.
Would you rather have that 3rd rnd pick back right now for
the upcoming draft near the top of rnd three?
Beal is still an unknown until he plays.
So is every draft pick. As another poster said, if he contributes this year, then he was worth the pick; if he doesn’t, it wasn’t a good pick.
To the OP, there is no way to know where Beal would have bee picked, since a lot of that would have been based on how he played this past season. There is no reason to think that a good season and combine couldn’t have gotten him into the 1st.
+1...this draft is loaded with DL/OL surely some of those guys will fall to the early 3rd round
CB is as big of a need as OL or DL. The strength of this draft is at OL and WR. The Giants will likely have multiple 4th and 5th round picks to add an OL or two plus a NT.
What we know is Beal is only under contract for 3 more years, is coming off a serious surgery, and didn't have to withstand the scrutiny of the draft process that separates the men from the boys.
I feel Gettlement drafted him to play in 2018... Â
But guy was apparently on scouting team for second half of year so coaches should hopefully have a partial understanding of what they have.
Where did you hear he was on the scouting team? Since he was placed on IR before the final cutdown he was ineligible to return last season, I think that includes all practice and scouting team activities. He spent the year learning the system, but couldn't practice with the team.
I met some of his former teammates at the Lions game (They coach youth football in the summer)... They had nothing but glowing reviews and said he'll start on the outside and do well once healthy. I asked about putting in the slot and they were adamant he'll be very good on the outside. Had nothing but good words about him as a player and person.
From all the scouting reports I have read sounds like getting for a 3rd was a great value. The ones during the supp draft and even now as this draft starts to ramp up.
in the third round this year if we did not take him ? Let see who we might have missed ? For someone who likes to research this type of stuff. Not that is matters now.
I am nervous about this guy....it's one thing to draft a guy without knowledge of physical problems, but this is his second shoulder injury, isn't it?
Ouch did not know it was his second shoulder injury. Too late now, but have to believe DG knew before he made the move. Attention to detail is one of his strong points, I believe. We will see.
LOVE how people say they rather have the top 10 pick in thrid round over Beal BEFORE SEEING HIM PLAY A FUCKING DOWN. the guy is talented and probably would have been picked before our third rounder this year barring a bad year. he is talented. ONLY on BBI are there people who KNOW beal is nothing special
also had a year in NFL film room, learning the system, etc. He will most likely be more polished and knowledgable about being a pro than the 3rd rounder we would have taken.
On the pick, seeing as he had 1 practice as a Giant.
When a guy loses a year on the field, a year of contract control, has had the same shoulder operated on twice, and couldn't make it beyond one practice, that's a more than enough to judge move as having been very risky.
LOVE how people say they rather have the top 10 pick in thrid round over Beal BEFORE SEEING HIM PLAY A FUCKING DOWN. the guy is talented and probably would have been picked before our third rounder this year barring a bad year. he is talented. ONLY on BBI are there people who KNOW beal is nothing special
It's not like you know they got this pick right.
Let's face it; if Beal can be a competent starter at CB for us Â
in the years to come then drafting him was a coup. We're very thin there.
I wouldn't go as far as a 3rd round pick becoming a starter is a coup. You'd like a guy who cost a top 100 pick to play his way into the starting lineup.
This is a very hard one to call since he played for a small school Â
+1...this draft is loaded with DL/OL surely some of those guys will fall to the early 3rd round
Kid winds up being a stud we will all be happy. Giants are thin at CB and it's thebdraft is much much thinner at CB than DL. It was a gamble. And regardless of Apple's up And down career he's an NFL level CB Gettleman traded a starter(mediocre but a starter) for peanuts. That's a bigger issue. After Jenkins We have nothing but questions at CB. Beal better be good or they are fucked
Give legit answers on a question like this, but here is my gut:
He’s a corner over 6ft tall with good movement skills that can play true man corner. Those guys do not sit that long, certainly not past the third rd. My gut is we probably took him in the right place, and having him working on the scouting reports and spend a year in NFL meeting rooms may have been just as benefical to him as playing a senior year.
Would you rather have that 3rd rnd pick back right now for
the upcoming draft near the top of rnd three?
Beal is still an unknown until he plays.
You can say the same about any player that will be sitting there in the 3rd when the Giants would have been on the board. Based on the articles I read, he would have been a late first rounder or a second rounder in this year's draft. So giving up our third to get him was a good move. We will see.
must have had him graded as a 2nd rd pick or better. If they had him graded as a 3rd rounder they would have been better off waiting a year, seeing what their draft position was, seeing all the prospects with an added year on their resumes and then picked the best guy for the 3rd rounder. Instead they went with Beal I assume because they thought it was a steal to get him with a 3rd round pick, which would imply they had him graded as a 2nd rounder or better.
I couldn't agree more. It was a very solid gamble by the Giants IMO. It's just unfortunate that he was on IR all season because once the season was lost he would have received plenty of playing time in order to gain as much experience as possible. The one bright spot was that his absence allowed Grant Haley to get plenty of playing time.
If he does not play well, gets injured again, etc....then no.
the upcoming draft near the top of rnd three?
Beal is still an unknown until he plays.
the upcoming draft near the top of rnd three?
Beal is still an unknown until he plays.
He’d be an unknown this year, what’s the difference? We lost a year due to his injury which happens all the time. If we spent a 3rd this year and the player gets injured, same thing.
draft if need be.
the upcoming draft near the top of rnd three?
Beal is still an unknown until he plays.
So is every draft pick. As another poster said, if he contributes this year, then he was worth the pick; if he doesn’t, it wasn’t a good pick.
To the OP, there is no way to know where Beal would have bee picked, since a lot of that would have been based on how he played this past season. There is no reason to think that a good season and combine couldn’t have gotten him into the 1st.
+1...this draft is loaded with DL/OL surely some of those guys will fall to the early 3rd round
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than have Sam Beal right now.
+1...this draft is loaded with DL/OL surely some of those guys will fall to the early 3rd round
CB is as big of a need as OL or DL. The strength of this draft is at OL and WR. The Giants will likely have multiple 4th and 5th round picks to add an OL or two plus a NT.
So it's hard to say if he'd be worth a high 3rd rounder this year.
Where did you hear he was on the scouting team? Since he was placed on IR before the final cutdown he was ineligible to return last season, I think that includes all practice and scouting team activities. He spent the year learning the system, but couldn't practice with the team.
That couldn't be any further from the truth.
The disparity in competition, surrounding talent, and coaching is substantial.
Every talent evaluator uses the all star practices, the combine, and pro days to get a more objective look at the players.
From all the scouting reports I have read sounds like getting for a 3rd was a great value. The ones during the supp draft and even now as this draft starts to ramp up.
He probably drops like a rock.....
I am nervous about this guy....it's one thing to draft a guy without knowledge of physical problems, but this is his second shoulder injury, isn't it?
He probably drops like a rock.....
I am nervous about this guy....it's one thing to draft a guy without knowledge of physical problems, but this is his second shoulder injury, isn't it?
When a guy loses a year on the field, a year of contract control, has had the same shoulder operated on twice, and couldn't make it beyond one practice, that's a more than enough to judge move as having been very risky.
It's not like you know they got this pick right.
Don’t go buying playoff tickets for 2019 just yet. His learning curve can start this year just as well
I wouldn't go as far as a 3rd round pick becoming a starter is a coup. You'd like a guy who cost a top 100 pick to play his way into the starting lineup.
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than have Sam Beal right now.
+1...this draft is loaded with DL/OL surely some of those guys will fall to the early 3rd round
Kid winds up being a stud we will all be happy. Giants are thin at CB and it's thebdraft is much much thinner at CB than DL. It was a gamble. And regardless of Apple's up And down career he's an NFL level CB Gettleman traded a starter(mediocre but a starter) for peanuts. That's a bigger issue. After Jenkins We have nothing but questions at CB. Beal better be good or they are fucked
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the Giants went with a defensive back in the 1st or 2nd rounds.
He’s a corner over 6ft tall with good movement skills that can play true man corner. Those guys do not sit that long, certainly not past the third rd. My gut is we probably took him in the right place, and having him working on the scouting reports and spend a year in NFL meeting rooms may have been just as benefical to him as playing a senior year.
Beal would have been a 2nd rd pick.
I have high Hope's for him.
I think he meant if not injured.
the upcoming draft near the top of rnd three?
Beal is still an unknown until he plays.
Not saying they are the '81 Niners, but we have some guys at CB. Safety is another matter, need some help there.
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