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Haskins: The inside story

GFAN52 : 2/16/2019 8:11 pm
Good read on Haskins.

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“Whether he was going to a brokerage house or he was going to a football team, Dwayne is a young man who has a lot of presence. He has great tenacity, he has great patience, he’s humble but he’s smart,’’ Boarman said. “He understands the environment he’s in, whether it be Bullis or Ohio State or New York. I think he’ll do very well, and I think the fans there, just like they did at Ohio State, will love him in every way.

“His parents have grounded him very well. He’s been groomed for this. I would be very surprised if he didn’t continue to show the excellence and humanity, the resilience, the care of others and family and continue to wear his religious beliefs right across his chest. That’s how he is. This kid gets it. He really gets it.’’



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I'm not so sure  
santacruzom : 2/16/2019 8:26 pm : link
That "sharing the ball" is as unique a trait amongst QBs as Schwartz is suggesting here...
Nice article  
Rjanyg : 2/16/2019 8:44 pm : link
I have a friend who attends Ohio State games. He has talked with Dwayne’s parents a few times. He says they are super nice people, very grounded. Dwayne has been playing the QB position his whole football career. I would be happy with him as the pick in round one, especially if we do not give up any picks.
Good  
AcidTest : 2/16/2019 9:03 pm : link
article. Thanks.
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arcarsenal : 2/16/2019 9:12 pm : link
I'll be really happy if Haskins is a Giant. He's a great kid and I think he has a ton of room to grow as a passer. He has a strong foundation to build off.
Seems like a good kid with a good family...  
JCin332 : 2/16/2019 9:20 pm : link
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Haskins and Barkley would be a nice combo  
GFAN52 : 2/16/2019 9:21 pm : link
to build a sustained offense on.
RE: Haskins and Barkley would be a nice combo  
2ndroundKO : 2/16/2019 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14298576 GFAN52 said:
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to build a sustained offense on.


And the kind of character guys you want leading the team.
OSU  
RasputinPrime : 2/16/2019 11:53 pm : link
pass.
Slow feet  
SHO'NUFF : 2/16/2019 11:54 pm : link
pass
I can't help it but I see Haskins as a "fair" NFL starter  
SGMen : 2/17/2019 3:48 am : link
He is smart enough and strong enough to likely start but I am not sold on his pure physical football abilities just yet. I'm sorry, I'm not.

My gut tells me that our GM Dave Gettleman will see a team move up ahead of him for Haskins and he'll be fine with it, instead going for the best defensive prospect left on the board.

In my world, I'd love for a team to offer the Giants a bundle when they pick and QB Murray is still on the board. There will be teams that fall in love with Murray and Haskins, watch.

And maybe if we move down just a few spots and pick up a #2 we still get a QB and we get a top line OL in round #2. That would be my dream scenario.
What do I know...  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 2/17/2019 5:56 am : link
I'm just a poor shlub watching youtube videos, but the only QB who jumps off the screen in this draft is Murray. He is electric. Neither Haskins nor Lock has that quality.
RE: What do I know...  
SGMen : 2/17/2019 6:43 am : link
In comment 14298646 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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I'm just a poor shlub watching youtube videos, but the only QB who jumps off the screen in this draft is Murray. He is electric. Neither Haskins nor Lock has that quality.
I watched Murray on NFL Live. They did a clip on him on ESPN and the kid has an arm and the instincts to be a top QB. The issue with him, of course, is his frame or lack thereof. He is about 5' 9", 190 or so pounds. NFL defenders are big & fast and he isn't going to get away with things in the NFL like he could in college. He'll get whacked and whacked around. Can he hold up? I just don't know. Funny thing is, if he was 5'10", 210 pounds, he'd be the top pick in the draft for sure. Just a little bigger...

I honestly just don't know if he can hold up in the NFL. If the Giants feel that he can hold up and he is there at #6, I highly doubt anyone would be upset if we took him. The backfield speed of Barkley & Murray would be sick. But I would not want Murray running through defenders. I'd rather he takes what the defense gives.
SG  
joeinpa : 2/17/2019 6:59 am : link
It s been reported by some who do this for a living, that Murray rarely gets past his first read before taking off

Also considering the Giants history there is almost zero chance they will draft him
Doug Flutie was 5'10" 180  
WillieYoung : 2/17/2019 7:31 am : link
His NFL career passer rating was 76 or so which isn't great but he played 21 years, starting in the USFL then the NFL, then the CFL back to the NFL where he finally got to play with some decent but declining talent in Buffalo before finishing his career in San Diego and New England.

I was a season ticket holder in Buffalo when he was there and I can't remember once thinking "If only he were two inches taller". Some guys are winners and make the players around them better. If Murray's that guy DG, take the measuring tape and shove it up your scouts' ass.
RE: Doug Flutie was 5'10  
TommyWiseau : 2/17/2019 7:58 am : link
In comment 14298654 WillieYoung said:
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His NFL career passer rating was 76 or so which isn't great but he played 21 years, starting in the USFL then the NFL, then the CFL back to the NFL where he finally got to play with some decent but declining talent in Buffalo before finishing his career in San Diego and New England.

I was a season ticket holder in Buffalo when he was there and I can't remember once thinking "If only he were two inches taller". Some guys are winners and make the players around them better. If Murray's that guy DG, take the measuring tape and shove it up your scouts' ass.


And Flutie played in a time where you can unleash hell on QBs. Today's NFL you can't touch them
RE: Slow feet  
Dutch77 : 2/17/2019 8:45 am : link
In comment 14298622 SHO'NUFF said:
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High football IQ, Accurate; faster feet than Eli. I Approve!
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arcarsenal : 2/17/2019 8:46 am : link
If Kyler Murray is Doug Flutie, it's a terrible pick. Flutie had 2 decent seasons in the NFL and nothing more than that. His size certainly was limiting and he really wasn't that good.
Flutie  
XBRONX : 2/17/2019 8:58 am : link
wasnt very good. Played one full NFL season. Horrible completion percent.
Nobody I've seen comments on this, but it's my biggest concern  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/17/2019 9:01 am : link
with Haskins. Why didn't he beat out JT Barrett when he (Haskins) was a redshirt Freshman?

I mean, the only acceptable answer is "system fit" and how coach Meyer loved running QBs, which isn't Haskins' forte.

If the answer is anything else, it's not good.
RE: RE: Slow feet  
90.Cal : 2/17/2019 9:28 am : link
In comment 14298674 Dutch77 said:
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High football IQ, Accurate; faster feet than Eli. I Approve!


Half of BBI has faster feet than Eli at this point
RE: Nobody I've seen comments on this, but it's my biggest concern  
arcarsenal : 2/17/2019 9:36 am : link
In comment 14298686 BlueLou'sBack said:
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with Haskins. Why didn't he beat out JT Barrett when he (Haskins) was a redshirt Freshman?

I mean, the only acceptable answer is "system fit" and how coach Meyer loved running QBs, which isn't Haskins' forte.

If the answer is anything else, it's not good.


Why didn't Tagovailoa beat out Hurts in 2017? He was better in the white/Crimson game 2 springs ago.

I wouldn't read into this much. He was a redshirt freshman - the answer likely is that and nothing more. Experience.
Small hands  
Little boy Lost : 2/17/2019 11:07 am : link
pass.
Unless the Jets feel they can get a Game Changer at #3  
Bob in Newburgh : 2/17/2019 11:20 am : link
Talking about someone with the same impact as a Khalil Mack for example,

I believe they will be looking to trade down. Think they would love to do the reverse of the trade-up they did last year.

Only point this out to argue that there is a relatively easy path for teams to jump us.

RE: RE: Nobody I've seen comments on this, but it's my biggest concern  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/17/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14298703 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14298686 BlueLou'sBack said:


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with Haskins. Why didn't he beat out JT Barrett when he (Haskins) was a redshirt Freshman?

I mean, the only acceptable answer is "system fit" and how coach Meyer loved running QBs, which isn't Haskins' forte.

If the answer is anything else, it's not good.



Why didn't Tagovailoa beat out Hurts in 2017? He was better in the white/Crimson game 2 springs ago.

I wouldn't read into this much. He was a redshirt freshman - the answer likely is that and nothing more. Experience.


That's an apt comparison, but Tua did come in to relieve Hurts as a true freshman. Did Haskins even see the field as a redshirt frosh? And Haskins is painted as being very mature and a great student of the game, so if true I would think he would have earned playing time during his 2nd year at least. Wait a minute... He transfered in to OSU from Maryland, right? So his redshirt Freshman year for the Buckeyes was his first year? Well maybe you hit the nail on the head, and it was simple inexperience his first year at OSU, together with the O being designed for a running QB not a pocket passer.

It isn't a huge red flag in any case, a lot of people thought Barret was great (for that offense.)
RE: Nobody I've seen comments on this, but it's my biggest concern  
Jay on the Island : 2/17/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14298686 BlueLou'sBack said:
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with Haskins. Why didn't he beat out JT Barrett when he (Haskins) was a redshirt Freshman?

I mean, the only acceptable answer is "system fit" and how coach Meyer loved running QBs, which isn't Haskins' forte.

If the answer is anything else, it's not good.

Why didn't Baker Mayfield beat out Davis Webb?
Haskins has grown on me  
Jay on the Island : 2/17/2019 11:37 am : link
The more I watch and learn about him the more I want him to be the selection with the 6th pick. He is most certainly a risk being that he only started for one full season but he reminds me of Roethlisberger. Of course the most important difference between them is that Haskins is very intelligent and he is a great person.
Jay -  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/17/2019 12:04 pm : link
Because the Browns drafted him first?
Haskins played  
2ndroundKO : 2/17/2019 12:32 pm : link
One or two games the year before.
RE: RE: RE: Nobody I've seen comments on this, but it's my biggest concern  
arcarsenal : 2/17/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14298776 BlueLou'sBack said:
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In comment 14298686 BlueLou'sBack said:


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with Haskins. Why didn't he beat out JT Barrett when he (Haskins) was a redshirt Freshman?

I mean, the only acceptable answer is "system fit" and how coach Meyer loved running QBs, which isn't Haskins' forte.

If the answer is anything else, it's not good.



Why didn't Tagovailoa beat out Hurts in 2017? He was better in the white/Crimson game 2 springs ago.

I wouldn't read into this much. He was a redshirt freshman - the answer likely is that and nothing more. Experience.



That's an apt comparison, but Tua did come in to relieve Hurts as a true freshman. Did Haskins even see the field as a redshirt frosh? And Haskins is painted as being very mature and a great student of the game, so if true I would think he would have earned playing time during his 2nd year at least. Wait a minute... He transfered in to OSU from Maryland, right? So his redshirt Freshman year for the Buckeyes was his first year? Well maybe you hit the nail on the head, and it was simple inexperience his first year at OSU, together with the O being designed for a running QB not a pocket passer.

It isn't a huge red flag in any case, a lot of people thought Barret was great (for that offense.)


Haskins actually did play in several games as a freshman.

The UNLV game was really the only one he saw extensive action, but in limited time he was fantastic against Michigan.

My guess is it had more to do with experience (or lackthereof) than anything else.

Saban really wanted to stick with Hurts - he loves that kid (rightfully so, Jalen has a great head on his shoulders and was a great team player), but Tua really forced his hand and left him little choice. Tua is/was just a much better passer and has added a dimension to the offense down there that has been missing forever.

I can barely remember ever watching Bama do anything but be a tough defensive, run-heavy team until Tagovailoa took over.
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arcarsenal : 2/17/2019 12:42 pm : link
(I know you're talking mostly about 2016 when he didn't play and was with the team)

But in his actual FR year in 2017 he found his way into a bunch of games and was generally really effective in limited action. His progression and elevation into the starting role seemed natural to me and I think he's still growing and improving as a passer.

I've said this a bunch of times, but I think he has a really good talent base to work with and he's a great kid too. I hope he's there @ 6 and I hope he's our next QB. He'll be an easy guy to pull for and I think he'll thrive with Shurmur.
Haskins physical skills, although different in some ways  
Dry Lightning : 2/17/2019 1:41 pm : link
from the supposed fab five from last year, are at the same level as those players. As far as the PERSON, he is a better fit for the Giants than any of them. The Eli decision is wrenching because of what he has meant to this organization, and because his abilities don't seem any different than the guy who won two Super Bowls. It is the fact that we haven't won in so long that puts this decision in serious play. I wouldn't trade up for Haskins using our pick, but I would pick him if he was there. I would only consider trading up using a player, and we all know who that player is.
Do not claim to be any kind of expert other than a fan  
George from PA : 2/17/2019 1:57 pm : link
But Murray and Lock excite me more than Haskins.....
Not accurate when moving  
since1925 : 2/17/2019 5:17 pm : link
a ton of flaws.
RE: Slow feet  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/17/2019 5:36 pm : link
In comment 14298622 SHO'NUFF said:
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Thanks for that in-depth 3-word analysis you schmuck.
Being a "great kid" does not mean much  
Vanzetti : 2/17/2019 6:19 pm : link
if you can't play. I can't think of a single QB who would have been great except his personality got in the way. And a lot of great QBs have been dicks or otherwise not great people (e.g. Big Ben, Peyton, Favre).

Eli is really the only QB I can think of you would describe as a "nice guy." Brady? Aaron Rodgers? Not so much.
RE: Being a  
UConn4523 : 2/17/2019 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14298927 Vanzetti said:
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if you can't play. I can't think of a single QB who would have been great except his personality got in the way. And a lot of great QBs have been dicks or otherwise not great people (e.g. Big Ben, Peyton, Favre).

Eli is really the only QB I can think of you would describe as a "nice guy." Brady? Aaron Rodgers? Not so much.


You don’t think RG3 would have been better if he wasn’t such an uncoachable asshole? Just being nice isn’t what the term is for, IMO. It’s being coachable, respectful, humble, etc.
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arcarsenal : 2/17/2019 6:24 pm : link
I don't think anyone is suggesting that his personality is the reason he should be drafted.

Eli is the only guy you can describe as a nice guy?

Patrick Mahomes? Andrew Luck?

Are those guys "dicks" or not great people?

Haskins can play. He's not Davis Webb. It's just nice to know that a player you're considering has a great head on his shoulders.

Would it have mattered if Saquon Barkley was a little more of a "diva" ? Probably not. Is it great that he's such a humble kid with a kind, low-key personality? Absolutely! I think every Giants fan can agree that Barkley is a great talent but that he's extra fun to root for because he's such a great kid off the field as well.
Haskins' True NFL Issue  
CJ in AZ : 2/17/2019 6:43 pm : link
It is not small hands, slow feet, etc. It is whether he can become poised under pressure while in the pocket, which it the reason he is not the obvious #1 pick right now.

He could not have done what he has done in college last season without big enough hands, fast enough feet, good enough progression, etc. He has all the tools to be an NFL starter IF he can stay adequately poised and effective under pressure. Alternatively, he can be a nearly adequate starter or an acceptable second string QB or a near miss. We do not have any true way to determine these things except through trial (and error). Drafting him will be a big risk, but there is a big potential reward.

Pat Shurmur was hired to help the Giants make this major decision. I trust him and Gettlemen to make a good choice, and I will be comfortable if it is not a QB, knowing that the "best available player" in their view is the one being chosen. Why not trust them after the last draft? Did Reese destroy our faith in the Giants' drafting ability so totally that we have none left?
Don't like OSU  
Barkley26 : 2/17/2019 8:17 pm : link
The only reason I'm not high on Haskins is because he played at OSU, and I cant stand them. On the other hand he did grow up a Giants fan and has an interest in playing for us, so I wouldn't be upset if we took him either. I'd much rather him than Murray.
RE: What do I know...  
djm : 2/17/2019 8:51 pm : link
In comment 14298646 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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I'm just a poor shlub watching youtube videos, but the only QB who jumps off the screen in this draft is Murray. He is electric. Neither Haskins nor Lock has that quality.


That’s kind of my feeling as well. I like Haskins he seems safe.... that word scares me. Murray seems special to me. I know he’s small, but small guys can in fact dominant in the nfl. Can’t overlook that fact. How can a small rb dominate but a small qb can’t? If you utilize Murray correctly he will have more potential than any qb in this draft. And any coach with half a brain will let Murray be Murray.....

I get the risks. I’d rather go down swinging with Murray than Haskins but I won’t kill the giants either way. Haskins checks off a lot of boxes.
djm  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/18/2019 1:50 am : link
If you use Murray "correctly" and let him run like he did in college he will get eaten alive in the NFL. He actually must change his game to adapt to the NFL.

If he doesn't, all the protections that apply to QBs won't be applicable to him - as a runner. Look what's happening to Cam Newton, and he's like 6'5" and 250#.

I doubt Murray is a viable long term QB in his current guise.
RE: Being a  
FStubbs : 2/18/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14298927 Vanzetti said:
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if you can't play. I can't think of a single QB who would have been great except his personality got in the way. And a lot of great QBs have been dicks or otherwise not great people (e.g. Big Ben, Peyton, Favre).

Eli is really the only QB I can think of you would describe as a "nice guy." Brady? Aaron Rodgers? Not so much.


Jay Cutler
Jeff George
Ryan Leaf
RE: Haskins' True NFL Issue  
FStubbs : 2/18/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14298938 CJ in AZ said:
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It is not small hands, slow feet, etc. It is whether he can become poised under pressure while in the pocket, which it the reason he is not the obvious #1 pick right now.

He could not have done what he has done in college last season without big enough hands, fast enough feet, good enough progression, etc. He has all the tools to be an NFL starter IF he can stay adequately poised and effective under pressure. Alternatively, he can be a nearly adequate starter or an acceptable second string QB or a near miss. We do not have any true way to determine these things except through trial (and error). Drafting him will be a big risk, but there is a big potential reward.

Pat Shurmur was hired to help the Giants make this major decision. I trust him and Gettlemen to make a good choice, and I will be comfortable if it is not a QB, knowing that the "best available player" in their view is the one being chosen. Why not trust them after the last draft? Did Reese destroy our faith in the Giants' drafting ability so totally that we have none left?


It feels like the issue with Haskins is that he's a high floor/low ceiling type player. He might not be very good, but he probably won't be very bad either. But I don't think you want a player like that at #6 overall.
RE: djm  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/19/2019 8:20 am : link
In comment 14299061 BlueLou'sBack said:
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If you use Murray "correctly" and let him run like he did in college he will get eaten alive in the NFL. He actually must change his game to adapt to the NFL.



How much of that is coaching? A running QB in college works fine, especially in that conference that plays no defense and you're not taking nfl hits with regularity

If he's running a ton out by design, that's one thing. If he's running a ton because he can't throw, that's quite another. Everybody says Kyler Murray can read a defense and throw though. So looking at his 140 rush attempts and determining that that's who he's going to be may not be accurate.

It seems pretty possible that they ran him a lot because it's a facet of his skills. At the pro level, coaches are certainly going to rein that in. And if he is a passer, it won't matter one bit.



RE: Haskins has grown on me  
MarineMan : 2/19/2019 8:27 am : link
In comment 14298779 Jay on the Island said:
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The more I watch and learn about him the more I want him to be the selection with the 6th pick. He is most certainly a risk being that he only started for one full season but he reminds me of Roethlisberger. Of course the most important difference between them is that Haskins is very intelligent and he is a great person.


I agree with you as well. Haskins has grown on me also. There is a risk and what I see is a young man that is humble. I truly believe with Eli being the example, I truly believe this kid has the attitude to learn and do whatever it takes for his team.
RE: RE: Haskins' True NFL Issue  
arcarsenal : 2/19/2019 9:02 am : link
In comment 14299394 FStubbs said:
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It is not small hands, slow feet, etc. It is whether he can become poised under pressure while in the pocket, which it the reason he is not the obvious #1 pick right now.

He could not have done what he has done in college last season without big enough hands, fast enough feet, good enough progression, etc. He has all the tools to be an NFL starter IF he can stay adequately poised and effective under pressure. Alternatively, he can be a nearly adequate starter or an acceptable second string QB or a near miss. We do not have any true way to determine these things except through trial (and error). Drafting him will be a big risk, but there is a big potential reward.

Pat Shurmur was hired to help the Giants make this major decision. I trust him and Gettlemen to make a good choice, and I will be comfortable if it is not a QB, knowing that the "best available player" in their view is the one being chosen. Why not trust them after the last draft? Did Reese destroy our faith in the Giants' drafting ability so totally that we have none left?



It feels like the issue with Haskins is that he's a high floor/low ceiling type player. He might not be very good, but he probably won't be very bad either. But I don't think you want a player like that at #6 overall.


Low ceiling? He just threw 50 TD passes and completed 70%+ of his passes in his first year as a starter.

How does he have a low ceiling?
RE: RE: RE: Haskins' True NFL Issue  
Pan-handler : 2/19/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14299781 arcarsenal said:
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It is not small hands, slow feet, etc. It is whether he can become poised under pressure while in the pocket, which it the reason he is not the obvious #1 pick right now.

He could not have done what he has done in college last season without big enough hands, fast enough feet, good enough progression, etc. He has all the tools to be an NFL starter IF he can stay adequately poised and effective under pressure. Alternatively, he can be a nearly adequate starter or an acceptable second string QB or a near miss. We do not have any true way to determine these things except through trial (and error). Drafting him will be a big risk, but there is a big potential reward.

Pat Shurmur was hired to help the Giants make this major decision. I trust him and Gettlemen to make a good choice, and I will be comfortable if it is not a QB, knowing that the "best available player" in their view is the one being chosen. Why not trust them after the last draft? Did Reese destroy our faith in the Giants' drafting ability so totally that we have none left?



It feels like the issue with Haskins is that he's a high floor/low ceiling type player. He might not be very good, but he probably won't be very bad either. But I don't think you want a player like that at #6 overall.



Low ceiling? He just threw 50 TD passes and completed 70%+ of his passes in his first year as a starter.

How does he have a low ceiling?


Exactly and it wasnt some 'gimmick' offense either.

As a first year players thats impressive regardless of the talent. And the key (which translates to the NFL game) is seeing how he made quick progressions and also not just area accuracy but had precision ball placement on many of his throws .

I've warmed up to this kid alot and would love to see him in blue.
And out of all the guys  
Pan-handler : 2/19/2019 10:58 am : link
including Rosen if he were to be available, Haskins fits the personality profile the Giants tend to gravitate to when it comes to QB the most. Don't short change that aspect, personality profile is huge to the Giants especially when it comes to the leader and face of the franchise.
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