I think the base cares about guns and abortion. I am pro choice but the extremes on both ends of the abortion issue are scary. My guess is Trump is actually pro choice but must pretend to be anti abortion.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
The problem is that it’s really much more than “...sometimes says stupid stuff” but this is how he’s rationalized by most Republicans. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own annoyances and grievances but if one truly takes a hard, honest look I find it impossible to sanction what’s going on with this regime. They are consistently undermining the rule of law and demonstrating a strong affinity for authoritarianism while turning a blind eye to clearly bigoted, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric and actions. We are ceding our democracy in plain sight and we really need to see the gravity of this IMO.
I think the base cares about guns and abortion. I am pro choice but the extremes on both ends of the abortion issue are scary. My guess is Trump is actually pro choice but must pretend to be anti abortion.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
This is exactly where I am too, and most of the republicans I know. the left just brandishes all republicans with the racist/homophobe/etc brush to fire up their ever moving farther left base
Mexicans are rapists. Yeah, uh, that's racist. Let's not forget about calling for the Central Park 5 executions. Or the lawsuit about not renting to black people. Or the insinuation that the Muslim mother of a dead American soldier wasn't allowed to speak, because she's a Muslim.
Speaking of the military, gotta love President Bone Spurs shitting on an American war hero like John McCain, who, despite my dislike for his politics, gave more to this country than any of us.
I think the base cares about guns and abortion. I am pro choice but the extremes on both ends of the abortion issue are scary. My guess is Trump is actually pro choice but must pretend to be anti abortion.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
The problem is that it’s really much more than “...sometimes says stupid stuff” but this is how he’s rationalized by most Republicans. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own annoyances and grievances but if one truly takes a hard, honest look I find it impossible to sanction what’s going on with this regime. They are consistently undermining the rule of law and demonstrating a strong affinity for authoritarianism while turning a blind eye to clearly bigoted, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric and actions. We are ceding our democracy in plain sight and we really need to see the gravity of this IMO.
I have a problem with the authoritarianism of this administration to make an end run around congress when convenient and the threat to Constitutional balance between branches. But I unlike many here are consistent and also had a problem with it in the previous administration with the end run around congress on the Iran deal and the pen and phone power to do stuff congress will not approve. Either you age against this type or stuff or not. You can’t pick and choose based on whether your politics agree with the President,
It’s more than just his rhetoric, it’s his actions and policies that Â
many take offense to as well. Turning a blind eye to facts and science and running your administration based on throwing meat to the least common denominator is a piss poor way to run a country, and it has alienated the vast majority of people who aren’t far-right in this country. Tax cuts that have overwhelmingly benefited the super rich, environmental policies that wreck the environment for the benefit of coal, oil, and other energy industries, deregulation that hurts the consumer but benefits large corporations and their ability to influence policy, these are just a few of the many, many examples of why people are up in arms. It amazes me the people that still support him while his policies take a massive shit on their own actual well-being on a literal daily basis.
If you are amongst his “base,” yet you say nothing when he demonizes the press, minorities, lgbt, women, the poor, etc., then, sorry, but you deserve to be pidgeon-holed right along with those marching with neo-nazis. Silence is picking a side, and when you are silent on these issues, you’re telling everyone that you’re okay with things.
I think the base cares about guns and abortion. I am pro choice but the extremes on both ends of the abortion issue are scary. My guess is Trump is actually pro choice but must pretend to be anti abortion.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
The problem is that it’s really much more than “...sometimes says stupid stuff” but this is how he’s rationalized by most Republicans. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own annoyances and grievances but if one truly takes a hard, honest look I find it impossible to sanction what’s going on with this regime. They are consistently undermining the rule of law and demonstrating a strong affinity for authoritarianism while turning a blind eye to clearly bigoted, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric and actions. We are ceding our democracy in plain sight and we really need to see the gravity of this IMO.
I have a problem with the authoritarianism of this administration to make an end run around congress when convenient and the threat to Constitutional balance between branches. But I unlike many here are consistent and also had a problem with it in the previous administration with the end run around congress on the Iran deal and the pen and phone power to do stuff congress will not approve. Either you age against this type or stuff or not. You can’t pick and choose based on whether your politics agree with the President,
Congress passed the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act in 2015, so I’m not sure why this theme of Obama completely bypassing congress on the Iran deal keeps popping up from. Probably because one side eats fake news up like oatmeal at breakfast every morning. Now, I could bring up certain parties attempting to sell nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia without any other support from other branches of government, but why get into reality?
I think the base cares about guns and abortion. I am pro choice but the extremes on both ends of the abortion issue are scary. My guess is Trump is actually pro choice but must pretend to be anti abortion.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
The problem is that it’s really much more than “...sometimes says stupid stuff” but this is how he’s rationalized by most Republicans. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own annoyances and grievances but if one truly takes a hard, honest look I find it impossible to sanction what’s going on with this regime. They are consistently undermining the rule of law and demonstrating a strong affinity for authoritarianism while turning a blind eye to clearly bigoted, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric and actions. We are ceding our democracy in plain sight and we really need to see the gravity of this IMO.
I have a problem with the authoritarianism of this administration to make an end run around congress when convenient and the threat to Constitutional balance between branches. But I unlike many here are consistent and also had a problem with it in the previous administration with the end run around congress on the Iran deal and the pen and phone power to do stuff congress will not approve. Either you age against this type or stuff or not. You can’t pick and choose based on whether your politics agree with the President,
I would agree and think this Congress should address a presidents ability to declare a national emergency. I also never said I was OK with the previous administrations actions bypassing congress but that’s not the point here. The point is that this “end around” is merely one bullet point on a long list of things that, if they were to happen in any other regime, would result in immediate impeachment proceedings yet it only passes as a minor shrug with this administration due to the prolific deception and corruption and their very intentional “flood the zone” strategy.
This thread certainly took a turn. Not surprisingly. Thanks for ruining an otherwise decent thread. You’ve all convinced yourselves you’re somehow morally superior to the other side but it’s incredibly obvious that most of you are nothing more than phsychotic lunatics with some serious issues. Get help.
Holy shit politics suck and really brings out the worst in people. Disgusting.
This thread certainly took a turn. Not surprisingly. Thanks for ruining an otherwise decent thread. You’ve all convinced yourselves you’re somehow morally superior to the other side but it’s incredibly obvious that most of you are nothing more than phsychotic lunatics with some serious issues. Get help.
Holy shit politics suck and really brings out the worst in people. Disgusting.
It’s actually been very civil except for a couple minor outbursts....disgusting?? Hardly...
I think the base cares about guns and abortion. I am pro choice but the extremes on both ends of the abortion issue are scary. My guess is Trump is actually pro choice but must pretend to be anti abortion.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
The problem is that it’s really much more than “...sometimes says stupid stuff” but this is how he’s rationalized by most Republicans. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own annoyances and grievances but if one truly takes a hard, honest look I find it impossible to sanction what’s going on with this regime. They are consistently undermining the rule of law and demonstrating a strong affinity for authoritarianism while turning a blind eye to clearly bigoted, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric and actions. We are ceding our democracy in plain sight and we really need to see the gravity of this IMO.
I have a problem with the authoritarianism of this administration to make an end run around congress when convenient and the threat to Constitutional balance between branches. But I unlike many here are consistent and also had a problem with it in the previous administration with the end run around congress on the Iran deal and the pen and phone power to do stuff congress will not approve. Either you age against this type or stuff or not. You can’t pick and choose based on whether your politics agree with the President,
Congress passed the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act in 2015, so I’m not sure why this theme of Obama completely bypassing congress on the Iran deal keeps popping up from. Probably because one side eats fake news up like oatmeal at breakfast every morning. Now, I could bring up certain parties attempting to sell nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia without any other support from other branches of government, but why get into reality?
it is not as clear as you make it out to be. That is why Trump could dump it without congressional approval. See artocle Link - ( New Window )
I think the base cares about guns and abortion. I am pro choice but the extremes on both ends of the abortion issue are scary. My guess is Trump is actually pro choice but must pretend to be anti abortion.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
The problem is that it’s really much more than “...sometimes says stupid stuff” but this is how he’s rationalized by most Republicans. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own annoyances and grievances but if one truly takes a hard, honest look I find it impossible to sanction what’s going on with this regime. They are consistently undermining the rule of law and demonstrating a strong affinity for authoritarianism while turning a blind eye to clearly bigoted, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric and actions. We are ceding our democracy in plain sight and we really need to see the gravity of this IMO.
I have a problem with the authoritarianism of this administration to make an end run around congress when convenient and the threat to Constitutional balance between branches. But I unlike many here are consistent and also had a problem with it in the previous administration with the end run around congress on the Iran deal and the pen and phone power to do stuff congress will not approve. Either you age against this type or stuff or not. You can’t pick and choose based on whether your politics agree with the President,
Congress passed the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act in 2015, so I’m not sure why this theme of Obama completely bypassing congress on the Iran deal keeps popping up from. Probably because one side eats fake news up like oatmeal at breakfast every morning. Now, I could bring up certain parties attempting to sell nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia without any other support from other branches of government, but why get into reality?
it is not as clear as you make it out to be. That is why Trump could dump it without congressional approval. See artocle Link - ( New Window )
Guess it was too bad the Senate didn’t have the votes needed, right? Let me say that once again for you:
THE SENATE DID NOT HAVE THE VOTES NEEDED
So what did they do instead? Invited fucking Bibi to give a bullshit speech to Congress. Give me a break.
Not to mention the fact that the deal with Iran was actually working, and that there is no border emergency and that this is just an attempt to further line the pockets of Russian oligarchs who export steel to the US.
I think the base cares about guns and abortion. I am pro choice but the extremes on both ends of the abortion issue are scary. My guess is Trump is actually pro choice but must pretend to be anti abortion.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
The problem is that it’s really much more than “...sometimes says stupid stuff” but this is how he’s rationalized by most Republicans. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own annoyances and grievances but if one truly takes a hard, honest look I find it impossible to sanction what’s going on with this regime. They are consistently undermining the rule of law and demonstrating a strong affinity for authoritarianism while turning a blind eye to clearly bigoted, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric and actions. We are ceding our democracy in plain sight and we really need to see the gravity of this IMO.
I have a problem with the authoritarianism of this administration to make an end run around congress when convenient and the threat to Constitutional balance between branches. But I unlike many here are consistent and also had a problem with it in the previous administration with the end run around congress on the Iran deal and the pen and phone power to do stuff congress will not approve. Either you age against this type or stuff or not. You can’t pick and choose based on whether your politics agree with the President,
Congress passed the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act in 2015, so I’m not sure why this theme of Obama completely bypassing congress on the Iran deal keeps popping up from. Probably because one side eats fake news up like oatmeal at breakfast every morning. Now, I could bring up certain parties attempting to sell nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia without any other support from other branches of government, but why get into reality?
it is not as clear as you make it out to be. That is why Trump could dump it without congressional approval. See artocle Link - ( New Window )
Guess it was too bad the Senate didn’t have the votes needed, right? Let me say that once again for you:
THE SENATE DID NOT HAVE THE VOTES NEEDED
So what did they do instead? Invited fucking Bibi to give a bullshit speech to Congress. Give me a break.
Not to mention the fact that the deal with Iran was actually working, and that there is no border emergency and that this is just an attempt to further line the pockets of Russian oligarchs who export steel to the US.
Your angry rant does not reply to the link I provided which supported my original comment about going around Congress which allowed Trump to dump the deal.
wanted the Iran deal. I wouldn't have agreed to it for two reasons. (1) Iran facilitating IEDs and militias killing American servicemen. (2) Iran's refusal to stop calling for elimination of Israel.
Robert Gates - one of the most respected and reasonable cabinet members in recent history basically said - It was right to try to ake a deal but Obama wanted the deal too badly. Think that's pretty fair statement.
He should be punished to the maximum amount the law allows. It's shit like this that hurts and hinders those that may actually have been attacked due to race or sexuality
I think the base cares about guns and abortion. I am pro choice but the extremes on both ends of the abortion issue are scary. My guess is Trump is actually pro choice but must pretend to be anti abortion.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
The problem is that it’s really much more than “...sometimes says stupid stuff” but this is how he’s rationalized by most Republicans. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own annoyances and grievances but if one truly takes a hard, honest look I find it impossible to sanction what’s going on with this regime. They are consistently undermining the rule of law and demonstrating a strong affinity for authoritarianism while turning a blind eye to clearly bigoted, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric and actions. We are ceding our democracy in plain sight and we really need to see the gravity of this IMO.
I have a problem with the authoritarianism of this administration to make an end run around congress when convenient and the threat to Constitutional balance between branches. But I unlike many here are consistent and also had a problem with it in the previous administration with the end run around congress on the Iran deal and the pen and phone power to do stuff congress will not approve. Either you age against this type or stuff or not. You can’t pick and choose based on whether your politics agree with the President,
This would be a fair argument only if you ignore the fact that the previous administration was operating with a Congress that had members of the opposite party in majority control that were not considering or acting on policy proposals, foreign or domestic, in good faith.
It's reasonable to characterize the Iran Deal as an inherently political maneuver by Obama (even though it wasn't executed unilaterally but in conjunction with 5 other major nations), but it has to also be acknowledged that the maneuver was just a progression from the environment that was already in existence in Washington where Congress itself was not functioning outside of a political spectrum. The normal system was broken.
That being said, to even begin comparing Trump's "end around" of Congress to Obama's regarding the Iran issue you would have to have at least some of the same variables in place - which would include the opposite party being in the majority of the Senate (which the Democrats aren't) and an agreement on the failure of the policy from the other 5 countries involved in the deal (which none of them are).
if everything that is out there right now is true, then this guy just alienated himself from literally everyone in the country. Nobody likes a fake victim.
acting on different political beliefs as not acting in good faith. Both sides can play that game. Either you respect the Constitutional division of powers or you don’t.
acting on different political beliefs as not acting in good faith. Both sides can play that game. Either you respect the Constitutional division of powers or you don’t.
But if you’re using “what aboutisms” to argue a point you can’t completely ignore context either as things are very rarely apples to apples.
is that people argue on "principles" but always find a reason to discard that principle when a new situation comes up that makes the principle inconvenient. A rationale is always found to show why the situation is different.
is that people argue on "principles" but always find a reason to discard that principle when a new situation comes up that makes the principle inconvenient. A rationale is always found to show why the situation is different.
Perhaps, but I would argue that you’re conflating one specific example (no matter how similar) to rationalize the acceptance of an administration which truly has no historical comparison by any reasonable measure IMO.
is that people argue on "principles" but always find a reason to discard that principle when a new situation comes up that makes the principle inconvenient. A rationale is always found to show why the situation is different.
Ironically, I think that's what you're doing within this comment itself about political discussions - you're minimizing the objective differences pointed out between two circumstances by describing it as a biased "rationale".
Facts and nuance are important, and THEY should be the thing that everyone should look out for most during conversations like this.
Eli? Tell me the truth about a large percent of the base.
I don't know a single Republican that hates non-whites or non-straight people, and I know 100s of them. I'm sure there are some out there that do, but as in all cases it is the fringes of people that are in every base.
LOL what?
Take a visit to Reddit
I don't think anyone is going to tell another person, Â
He should be punished to the maximum amount the law allows. It's shit like this that hurts and hinders those that may actually have been attacked due to race or sexuality
This is correct. All the other crap is fluff, which party hates this or that, Trump is a racist, Dems are race bating is all crap. Pain and simple when people who make up stories to advance themselves it hurts those who are actually attacked for a specific reason. This should sicken all Americans whenpeople do this. Punish him to the full extent then have leaders from the right and left, men and women, actors, sports stars, teachers etc. speaking out how this is wrong. Then move on.
He might be, he says some really stupid things. I don't know the guy's heart so I really can't tell you.
I don't like Donald Trump, I didn't want to vote for him. I believe in voting for platforms and not personalities and I also believe in the necessity of making a choice in elections.
If you feel he is a racist, that's your opinion and fine with me.
Eli? Tell me the truth about a large percent of the base.
I don't know a single Republican that hates non-whites or non-straight people, and I know 100s of them. I'm sure there are some out there that do, but as in all cases it is the fringes of people that are in every base.
LOL what?
Take a visit to Reddit
I meant people I know, not the cesspool of social media.
Eli? Tell me the truth about a large percent of the base.
I don't know a single Republican that hates non-whites or non-straight people, and I know 100s of them. I'm sure there are some out there that do, but as in all cases it is the fringes of people that are in every base.
LOL what?
Take a visit to Reddit
I meant people I know, not the cesspool of social media.
Cool. The people you know are a very small % and portion of those out there. If you don't "know a single Republican that hates non-straight or non-white people" personally, nobody really gives a shit, being that they are actual neo nazi's running for offie as Republicans in Illinois (this is not hyperbole).
Someone let me know when Trump denounces the Coastie with Â
It isn't relevant to Trump. If you can remotely follow or comprehend a sentence, I said that I was getting this back on topic which was all about Jussie... not Trump.
I mean... the thread is "Empire star may have orchestrated an attack on himself". None of the reports indicated that Trump was there.
So, why the fuck are you asking me what this has to do with Trump?
Lots of Trump Derangement Syndrome on this thread Â
Ultra liberal actor stages hoax to make conservatives look bad. He simultaneously hurts his own causes and emboldens lunatics on the opposite side. In the end, the loonies on both sides continue to shout at each and past each other.
Bringing Trump into it is completely besides the point and irrelevant.
"But but but he tweeted about it hur de hur de hur!"
Who gives a shit? He's been doing this for 2+ years now.
Ultra liberal actor stages hoax to make conservatives look bad. He simultaneously hurts his own causes and emboldens lunatics on the opposite side. In the end, the loonies on both sides continue to shout at each and past each other.
Bringing Trump into it is completely besides the point and irrelevant.
"But but but he tweeted about it hur de hur de hur!"
Who gives a shit? He's been doing this for 2+ years now.
My god people give it a fucking rest.
Anothet example of Trump Derangement Syndrome just popped up.
It isn't relevant to Trump. If you can remotely follow or comprehend a sentence, I said that I was getting this back on topic which was all about Jussie... not Trump.
I mean... the thread is "Empire star may have orchestrated an attack on himself". None of the reports indicated that Trump was there.
So, why the fuck are you asking me what this has to do with Trump?
Lol. I'm not the one who quoted a post and then made a totally irrelevant comment.
Anyway, anyone who thinks that Trump is not a big deal and acting like people are overblowing it have their head in the sand. Doesn't matter - history will not look down kindly on them, and they will be judged accordingly.
the same crowd who bashed Obama for years and takes every excuse to bring up the Clintons is laughable at best. History will be his judge, and it ain’t gonna be kind.
the same crowd who bashed Obama for years and takes every excuse to bring up the Clintons is laughable at best. History will be his judge, and it ain’t gonna be kind.
The Trump Derangement comment does not come from being critical of Trump. There is a hell of a lot to be critical about much of which I have I have taken part in, it comes on when Trump is a target no matter what he says or does. Even if you actually agree, no credit is given but motives are questioned. Or like s few posts above words that he did not say are put in his mouth.
I am not sure about others but logical comments are more convincing to me than hysteria based on hatred.
is that when you're so deranged and out of touch with reality that you actually believe all the garbage he spouts in his tweets (or anywhere else) is the truth?
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
The problem is that it’s really much more than “...sometimes says stupid stuff” but this is how he’s rationalized by most Republicans. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own annoyances and grievances but if one truly takes a hard, honest look I find it impossible to sanction what’s going on with this regime. They are consistently undermining the rule of law and demonstrating a strong affinity for authoritarianism while turning a blind eye to clearly bigoted, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric and actions. We are ceding our democracy in plain sight and we really need to see the gravity of this IMO.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
This is exactly where I am too, and most of the republicans I know. the left just brandishes all republicans with the racist/homophobe/etc brush to fire up their ever moving farther left base
Speaking of the military, gotta love President Bone Spurs shitting on an American war hero like John McCain, who, despite my dislike for his politics, gave more to this country than any of us.
Trump is a pig.
Could not have said it better myself.
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I think the base cares about guns and abortion. I am pro choice but the extremes on both ends of the abortion issue are scary. My guess is Trump is actually pro choice but must pretend to be anti abortion.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
The problem is that it’s really much more than “...sometimes says stupid stuff” but this is how he’s rationalized by most Republicans. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own annoyances and grievances but if one truly takes a hard, honest look I find it impossible to sanction what’s going on with this regime. They are consistently undermining the rule of law and demonstrating a strong affinity for authoritarianism while turning a blind eye to clearly bigoted, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric and actions. We are ceding our democracy in plain sight and we really need to see the gravity of this IMO.
If you are amongst his “base,” yet you say nothing when he demonizes the press, minorities, lgbt, women, the poor, etc., then, sorry, but you deserve to be pidgeon-holed right along with those marching with neo-nazis. Silence is picking a side, and when you are silent on these issues, you’re telling everyone that you’re okay with things.
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I think the base cares about guns and abortion. I am pro choice but the extremes on both ends of the abortion issue are scary. My guess is Trump is actually pro choice but must pretend to be anti abortion.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
The problem is that it’s really much more than “...sometimes says stupid stuff” but this is how he’s rationalized by most Republicans. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own annoyances and grievances but if one truly takes a hard, honest look I find it impossible to sanction what’s going on with this regime. They are consistently undermining the rule of law and demonstrating a strong affinity for authoritarianism while turning a blind eye to clearly bigoted, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric and actions. We are ceding our democracy in plain sight and we really need to see the gravity of this IMO.
I have a problem with the authoritarianism of this administration to make an end run around congress when convenient and the threat to Constitutional balance between branches. But I unlike many here are consistent and also had a problem with it in the previous administration with the end run around congress on the Iran deal and the pen and phone power to do stuff congress will not approve. Either you age against this type or stuff or not. You can’t pick and choose based on whether your politics agree with the President,
Congress passed the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act in 2015, so I’m not sure why this theme of Obama completely bypassing congress on the Iran deal keeps popping up from. Probably because one side eats fake news up like oatmeal at breakfast every morning. Now, I could bring up certain parties attempting to sell nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia without any other support from other branches of government, but why get into reality?
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I think the base cares about guns and abortion. I am pro choice but the extremes on both ends of the abortion issue are scary. My guess is Trump is actually pro choice but must pretend to be anti abortion.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
The problem is that it’s really much more than “...sometimes says stupid stuff” but this is how he’s rationalized by most Republicans. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own annoyances and grievances but if one truly takes a hard, honest look I find it impossible to sanction what’s going on with this regime. They are consistently undermining the rule of law and demonstrating a strong affinity for authoritarianism while turning a blind eye to clearly bigoted, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric and actions. We are ceding our democracy in plain sight and we really need to see the gravity of this IMO.
I have a problem with the authoritarianism of this administration to make an end run around congress when convenient and the threat to Constitutional balance between branches. But I unlike many here are consistent and also had a problem with it in the previous administration with the end run around congress on the Iran deal and the pen and phone power to do stuff congress will not approve. Either you age against this type or stuff or not. You can’t pick and choose based on whether your politics agree with the President,
I would agree and think this Congress should address a presidents ability to declare a national emergency. I also never said I was OK with the previous administrations actions bypassing congress but that’s not the point here. The point is that this “end around” is merely one bullet point on a long list of things that, if they were to happen in any other regime, would result in immediate impeachment proceedings yet it only passes as a minor shrug with this administration due to the prolific deception and corruption and their very intentional “flood the zone” strategy.
BuT wHaT aBoUt UrAnIuM oNe?!
Holy shit politics suck and really brings out the worst in people. Disgusting.
Holy shit politics suck and really brings out the worst in people. Disgusting.
It’s actually been very civil except for a couple minor outbursts....disgusting?? Hardly...
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I think the base cares about guns and abortion. I am pro choice but the extremes on both ends of the abortion issue are scary. My guess is Trump is actually pro choice but must pretend to be anti abortion.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
The problem is that it’s really much more than “...sometimes says stupid stuff” but this is how he’s rationalized by most Republicans. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own annoyances and grievances but if one truly takes a hard, honest look I find it impossible to sanction what’s going on with this regime. They are consistently undermining the rule of law and demonstrating a strong affinity for authoritarianism while turning a blind eye to clearly bigoted, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric and actions. We are ceding our democracy in plain sight and we really need to see the gravity of this IMO.
I have a problem with the authoritarianism of this administration to make an end run around congress when convenient and the threat to Constitutional balance between branches. But I unlike many here are consistent and also had a problem with it in the previous administration with the end run around congress on the Iran deal and the pen and phone power to do stuff congress will not approve. Either you age against this type or stuff or not. You can’t pick and choose based on whether your politics agree with the President,
Congress passed the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act in 2015, so I’m not sure why this theme of Obama completely bypassing congress on the Iran deal keeps popping up from. Probably because one side eats fake news up like oatmeal at breakfast every morning. Now, I could bring up certain parties attempting to sell nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia without any other support from other branches of government, but why get into reality?
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I think the base cares about guns and abortion. I am pro choice but the extremes on both ends of the abortion issue are scary. My guess is Trump is actually pro choice but must pretend to be anti abortion.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
The problem is that it’s really much more than “...sometimes says stupid stuff” but this is how he’s rationalized by most Republicans. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own annoyances and grievances but if one truly takes a hard, honest look I find it impossible to sanction what’s going on with this regime. They are consistently undermining the rule of law and demonstrating a strong affinity for authoritarianism while turning a blind eye to clearly bigoted, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric and actions. We are ceding our democracy in plain sight and we really need to see the gravity of this IMO.
I have a problem with the authoritarianism of this administration to make an end run around congress when convenient and the threat to Constitutional balance between branches. But I unlike many here are consistent and also had a problem with it in the previous administration with the end run around congress on the Iran deal and the pen and phone power to do stuff congress will not approve. Either you age against this type or stuff or not. You can’t pick and choose based on whether your politics agree with the President,
Congress passed the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act in 2015, so I’m not sure why this theme of Obama completely bypassing congress on the Iran deal keeps popping up from. Probably because one side eats fake news up like oatmeal at breakfast every morning. Now, I could bring up certain parties attempting to sell nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia without any other support from other branches of government, but why get into reality?
it is not as clear as you make it out to be. That is why Trump could dump it without congressional approval. See artocle Link - ( New Window )
Guess it was too bad the Senate didn’t have the votes needed, right? Let me say that once again for you:
THE SENATE DID NOT HAVE THE VOTES NEEDED
So what did they do instead? Invited fucking Bibi to give a bullshit speech to Congress. Give me a break.
Not to mention the fact that the deal with Iran was actually working, and that there is no border emergency and that this is just an attempt to further line the pockets of Russian oligarchs who export steel to the US.
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I think the base cares about guns and abortion. I am pro choice but the extremes on both ends of the abortion issue are scary. My guess is Trump is actually pro choice but must pretend to be anti abortion.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
The problem is that it’s really much more than “...sometimes says stupid stuff” but this is how he’s rationalized by most Republicans. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own annoyances and grievances but if one truly takes a hard, honest look I find it impossible to sanction what’s going on with this regime. They are consistently undermining the rule of law and demonstrating a strong affinity for authoritarianism while turning a blind eye to clearly bigoted, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric and actions. We are ceding our democracy in plain sight and we really need to see the gravity of this IMO.
I have a problem with the authoritarianism of this administration to make an end run around congress when convenient and the threat to Constitutional balance between branches. But I unlike many here are consistent and also had a problem with it in the previous administration with the end run around congress on the Iran deal and the pen and phone power to do stuff congress will not approve. Either you age against this type or stuff or not. You can’t pick and choose based on whether your politics agree with the President,
Congress passed the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act in 2015, so I’m not sure why this theme of Obama completely bypassing congress on the Iran deal keeps popping up from. Probably because one side eats fake news up like oatmeal at breakfast every morning. Now, I could bring up certain parties attempting to sell nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia without any other support from other branches of government, but why get into reality?
it is not as clear as you make it out to be. That is why Trump could dump it without congressional approval. See artocle Link - ( New Window )
Guess it was too bad the Senate didn’t have the votes needed, right? Let me say that once again for you:
THE SENATE DID NOT HAVE THE VOTES NEEDED
So what did they do instead? Invited fucking Bibi to give a bullshit speech to Congress. Give me a break.
Not to mention the fact that the deal with Iran was actually working, and that there is no border emergency and that this is just an attempt to further line the pockets of Russian oligarchs who export steel to the US.
Robert Gates - one of the most respected and reasonable cabinet members in recent history basically said - It was right to try to ake a deal but Obama wanted the deal too badly. Think that's pretty fair statement.
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I think the base cares about guns and abortion. I am pro choice but the extremes on both ends of the abortion issue are scary. My guess is Trump is actually pro choice but must pretend to be anti abortion.
I don’t think most of the “base” hate ethnic groups (although probably more for Muslims than other groups). As far as gays go, most don’t care (live and let live) but get annoyed with those always shoving this in their face. I would get annoyed if I heard a constant stream of I am proud to be left handed and we get discriminated against. Trump sometimes says stupid stuff and many wish he did not.
Many in the Democratic Party are going too far left. I am just hoping that the Democratic Party nominates someone moderate who I and many others could consider voting for. Otherwise I think they are giving Trump an easy rum to a second term. We could do better.
The problem is that it’s really much more than “...sometimes says stupid stuff” but this is how he’s rationalized by most Republicans. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own annoyances and grievances but if one truly takes a hard, honest look I find it impossible to sanction what’s going on with this regime. They are consistently undermining the rule of law and demonstrating a strong affinity for authoritarianism while turning a blind eye to clearly bigoted, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric and actions. We are ceding our democracy in plain sight and we really need to see the gravity of this IMO.
I have a problem with the authoritarianism of this administration to make an end run around congress when convenient and the threat to Constitutional balance between branches. But I unlike many here are consistent and also had a problem with it in the previous administration with the end run around congress on the Iran deal and the pen and phone power to do stuff congress will not approve. Either you age against this type or stuff or not. You can’t pick and choose based on whether your politics agree with the President,
This would be a fair argument only if you ignore the fact that the previous administration was operating with a Congress that had members of the opposite party in majority control that were not considering or acting on policy proposals, foreign or domestic, in good faith.
It's reasonable to characterize the Iran Deal as an inherently political maneuver by Obama (even though it wasn't executed unilaterally but in conjunction with 5 other major nations), but it has to also be acknowledged that the maneuver was just a progression from the environment that was already in existence in Washington where Congress itself was not functioning outside of a political spectrum. The normal system was broken.
That being said, to even begin comparing Trump's "end around" of Congress to Obama's regarding the Iran issue you would have to have at least some of the same variables in place - which would include the opposite party being in the majority of the Senate (which the Democrats aren't) and an agreement on the failure of the policy from the other 5 countries involved in the deal (which none of them are).
But if you’re using “what aboutisms” to argue a point you can’t completely ignore context either as things are very rarely apples to apples.
Perhaps, but I would argue that you’re conflating one specific example (no matter how similar) to rationalize the acceptance of an administration which truly has no historical comparison by any reasonable measure IMO.
Ironically, I think that's what you're doing within this comment itself about political discussions - you're minimizing the objective differences pointed out between two circumstances by describing it as a biased "rationale".
Facts and nuance are important, and THEY should be the thing that everyone should look out for most during conversations like this.
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Eli? Tell me the truth about a large percent of the base.
I don't know a single Republican that hates non-whites or non-straight people, and I know 100s of them. I'm sure there are some out there that do, but as in all cases it is the fringes of people that are in every base.
Take a visit to Reddit
That doesn't seem like something someone would vocalize. But that's just my experience walking this earth since '80.
This is correct. All the other crap is fluff, which party hates this or that, Trump is a racist, Dems are race bating is all crap. Pain and simple when people who make up stories to advance themselves it hurts those who are actually attacked for a specific reason. This should sicken all Americans whenpeople do this. Punish him to the full extent then have leaders from the right and left, men and women, actors, sports stars, teachers etc. speaking out how this is wrong. Then move on.
He might be, he says some really stupid things. I don't know the guy's heart so I really can't tell you.
I don't like Donald Trump, I didn't want to vote for him. I believe in voting for platforms and not personalities and I also believe in the necessity of making a choice in elections.
If you feel he is a racist, that's your opinion and fine with me.
Back to the purpose of the thread...
Jussie is a race baiting racist.
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Eli? Tell me the truth about a large percent of the base.
I don't know a single Republican that hates non-whites or non-straight people, and I know 100s of them. I'm sure there are some out there that do, but as in all cases it is the fringes of people that are in every base.
LOL what?
Take a visit to Reddit
I meant people I know, not the cesspool of social media.
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a fact. Daddy was a known racist and he learned from daddy. Read up on the Trumps renting practices for their buildings in NY.
Back to the purpose of the thread...
Jussie is a race baiting racist.
Jussie Smollet is a dumbass and a POS. Who is even denying that? How is this relevant to Trump?
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Eli? Tell me the truth about a large percent of the base.
I don't know a single Republican that hates non-whites or non-straight people, and I know 100s of them. I'm sure there are some out there that do, but as in all cases it is the fringes of people that are in every base.
LOL what?
Take a visit to Reddit
I meant people I know, not the cesspool of social media.
Cool. The people you know are a very small % and portion of those out there. If you don't "know a single Republican that hates non-straight or non-white people" personally, nobody really gives a shit, being that they are actual neo nazi's running for offie as Republicans in Illinois (this is not hyperbole).
It isn't relevant to Trump. If you can remotely follow or comprehend a sentence, I said that I was getting this back on topic which was all about Jussie... not Trump.
I mean... the thread is "Empire star may have orchestrated an attack on himself". None of the reports indicated that Trump was there.
So, why the fuck are you asking me what this has to do with Trump?
Bringing Trump into it is completely besides the point and irrelevant.
"But but but he tweeted about it hur de hur de hur!"
Who gives a shit? He's been doing this for 2+ years now.
My god people give it a fucking rest.
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the hot list and cache of weapons please.
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He thinks it’s a shame that it happened? Or that he got caught? Glad that’s over with, he can go back to attacking the media now.
Bringing Trump into it is completely besides the point and irrelevant.
"But but but he tweeted about it hur de hur de hur!"
Who gives a shit? He's been doing this for 2+ years now.
My god people give it a fucking rest.
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How is this relevant to Trump?
It isn't relevant to Trump. If you can remotely follow or comprehend a sentence, I said that I was getting this back on topic which was all about Jussie... not Trump.
I mean... the thread is "Empire star may have orchestrated an attack on himself". None of the reports indicated that Trump was there.
So, why the fuck are you asking me what this has to do with Trump?
Anyway, anyone who thinks that Trump is not a big deal and acting like people are overblowing it have their head in the sand. Doesn't matter - history will not look down kindly on them, and they will be judged accordingly.
LOL...Not me, I've stayed a mile away from that part of the discussion
The discussion has been pretty civil with the exception of a few and has been much better than in the past.
I am not sure about others but logical comments are more convincing to me than hysteria based on hatred.