"a once proud franchise". Does this idiot not know that the Browns of today are a different franchise than the one that was "once proud" ? Dan Whathisname is just someone else who needs to fill a column with something.
so they wouldn't be subject to Hard Knocks. We have a new GM and coach since then so if the new regime wqnts it then I am sure they'll get it but if they don't I am sure they wont.
Hard Knocks (not that I want to be). We fucking blow, we are in one of the biggest markets in the country, have a WR who the media outlets can't get enough of, have a GM who speaks his mind, a generational RB who does all the right things, an aging former Super Bowl MVP who MAY have a rookie biting at his heels, 11 or so draft picks that will make good stories (do they make it, do they get cut), a GM who likes to bring in a bunch of undrafted guys. It makes too much sense
In the last two seasons meets the definition of hard knocks.
Seriously. Hard Knocks is for crappy teams and organizations. Add in some compelling story lines and the New York market. Damn straight the Giants should be on Hard Knocks. This should come as a surprise to no one.
The Giants earned this. Would love for people to stop bitching about it. Actually, I want the Giants to be on Hard Knocks. I want the microscope on Mara's organization. You know who else wants it? Eric wants it. Can you imagine the traffic on BBI? TF.
so they wouldn't be subject to Hard Knocks. We have a new GM and coach since then so if the new regime wqnts it then I am sure they'll get it but if they don't I am sure they wont.
I actually believe this rumor, but things change and I'm not sure it was written in stone. This would be the perfect year for us to do it. This is a team in transition with stars people want to see. Nobody wants Hard Knocks, but if the league decides this is the year than so be it. It's not like this team is making a Superbowl this year unless Barkley goes for 3000.
.....I watch the show and have enjoyed it every year.
Having the Giants on there would add just another level of interest to the upcoming season.
Oh, and more for BBI to bitch about! LOL
Agreed. I honestly don’t understand how Giants fans wouldn’t want this.
Honestly as a fan, at least it gives us more Giants football to give a shit about. It's not like the team has provided that past Halloween in recent memory.
Plus the show isn’t as negative as people tend to think. Sees to help find some hidden talent. And maybe will be fun to see Eli Manning candid. And help finish off weeding out the malcontents bc they love the spotlight.
Really just because I don't want to see the narrative of Eli being on his way out being hammered into everyone's heads more than it already is. Not really healthy for the team (and especially the starting QB) to have to deal with that, and it already follows Eli around enough. Give the guy and the team a break.
I'd actually be much more interested in seeing it after that particular "storyline" becomes a non-factor. Let the Giants do Hard Knocks when whoever the next QB is in the starting position and Eli can watch it from home, sitting on his couch made of 100 dollar bills, and not having to deal with a bunch of cameras in his face reminding him that it's almost time to go. That ain't right, and as much as some people might enjoy seeing how that plays out behind the scenes, I don't want it.
All that said....if I'm being honest, I'd watch it if it they did it this year. I just hope they don't.
"a once proud franchise". Does this idiot not know that the Browns of today are a different franchise than the one that was "once proud" ? Dan Whathisname is just someone else who needs to fill a column with something.
Technically he is correct. Modell, Cleveland, and the NFL all reached an agreement that led to it all remaining in Cleveland. The NFL would deactivate the Browns for three years (they promised the city another team by 1999) and Modell would relinquish the Browns name, colors, history, records, awards, and archives, which would all remain in Cleveland and remain with the new team that was to take over the NFL "Browns" franchise.
I’m less interested in the on the field stuff. That’s fairly predictable.
No, give me a look inside Jints Central. Let the cameras follow around Mara, Gettleman, Abrams, Chris Mara, and Tyseer Siam. And when Ernie gets called in, and he will, add him to the mix as well. This would be priceless...
for the season. I am sure Shurmur will be able to draw on his the vast pool of his past head coaching success to mitigate the distraction this would bring.
Sure, I would watch, it would be interesting. Distractions and circus like this though are for crap teams where winning and being able to consistently compete with the best is a distant or never existed memory. Another sign of the depths to which the franchise has sunk.
Hopefully Mara has some pull with the league and can avoid this. Although, maybe he wants it to entertain the fans since the football has not for so long.
People here take all of this shit way too seriously... Â
it is a fucking game that in reality means nothing. Who cares if the training camp is on TV? Why wouldn't people here want to see it after spending EVERY DAY on this website talking about it?
This team has a lot more to be concerned about than possible distractions from a few TV cameras.
Waiting for the thread on whether Barkley should be on the SI cover...
for the season. I am sure Shurmur will be able to draw on his the vast pool of his past head coaching success to mitigate the distraction this would bring.
Sure, I would watch, it would be interesting. Distractions and circus like this though are for crap teams where winning and being able to consistently compete with the best is a distant or never existed memory. Another sign of the depths to which the franchise has sunk.
Hopefully Mara has some pull with the league and can avoid this. Although, maybe he wants it to entertain the fans since the football has not for so long.
Wow talk about an overreaction, don’t be such a drama queen.
it is a fucking game that in reality means nothing. Who cares if the training camp is on TV? Why wouldn't people here want to see it after spending EVERY DAY on this website talking about it?
This team has a lot more to be concerned about than possible distractions from a few TV cameras.
Waiting for the thread on whether Barkley should be on the SI cover...
Seriously! How dare they film these million dollar athletes that are on national TV every week!
for the season. I am sure Shurmur will be able to draw on his the vast pool of his past head coaching success to mitigate the distraction this would bring.
Sure, I would watch, it would be interesting. Distractions and circus like this though are for crap teams where winning and being able to consistently compete with the best is a distant or never existed memory. Another sign of the depths to which the franchise has sunk.
Hopefully Mara has some pull with the league and can avoid this. Although, maybe he wants it to entertain the fans since the football has not for so long.
Wow talk about an overreaction, don’t be such a drama queen.
Good football teams prepare in training camp to for the season where the goal is to bang with the best and compete for a playoff spot and a chance to win it all.
There may not be another team in the NFL more than the Giants who need to win that first game and start off win some W's in order to avoid, yet another, season that goes stright down the toliet bowl before Hallowwen again.
How would the circus that this show would bring to camp help this goal? Perhaps this could be mitigated if the coach and culture of the team was stronger with more success to fall back on. But, this is not true wit this group.
Winning teams with winning cultures focus on football and team building with minimal distraction. Distraction is destruction in football. Maybe I am a drama queen, but if you want the Giants to finally turn over and start winning again you should hope they pick another team.
To me it is a bad thing, but in this world where entertainment trumps winning and players are glorified for individual singular efforts even in losses and having never achieve nothing of note I am sure many disagree.
literally writes in the column that he thinks it will be the Niners.
Yeah followed by “total guesswork”. He also outlined why he thinks the Giants will be the NFL and HBO’s first choice.
No he didn't. Read it again.
I did and yes he did. Giants are #1 in the article as to teams he thinks will be picked. And at the bottom when he claims it will be the 49ers he says they will be picked AFTER the Giants are considered followed by “total guesswork”.
When do they make the choice which team it will be? Â
If it is after the draft, I could see them selecting the Giants if they spend their top pick on a QB because the Eli-rookie dynamic would be a draw. If they don't select a QB high, where is the compelling story line outside of OBJ? Eli giving bland comments about wanting to compete and win is going to be a snooze fest for a national audience.
No, the Giants are the team he personally deems as the "best fit" - not the team he thinks is most likely to be picked.
His power rankings are his own preference based on who he thinks makes the most sense. Not the order of predicted likelihood.
The OP says the writer claims he thinks it will be the Giants - the writer clearly says he thinks it will be SF. All he says is he thinks the league will "kick the tires" on the both Giants AND Raiders.
He also made a joke about the Giants needing to be the choice if the NFL is seeking a Keeping Up with the Kardashians type of production.
There is nothing in this article that says the Giants are the most likely team. There's a difference between best fit and most likely.
If it is after the draft, I could see them selecting the Giants if they spend their top pick on a QB because the Eli-rookie dynamic would be a draw. If they don't select a QB high, where is the compelling story line outside of OBJ? Eli giving bland comments about wanting to compete and win is going to be a snooze fest for a national audience.
People love Saquon everywhere and on top of that OBJ is an international rock star.
If it is after the draft, I could see them selecting the Giants if they spend their top pick on a QB because the Eli-rookie dynamic would be a draw. If they don't select a QB high, where is the compelling story line outside of OBJ? Eli giving bland comments about wanting to compete and win is going to be a snooze fest for a national audience.
People love Saquon everywhere and on top of that OBJ is an international rock star.
Those two are draws by themselves.
I don't think "Gee, Saquon seems like a really mature dude!" is a compelling story line for a national audience. I could be wrong, but if I was picking the team I would want one with at least one very compelling story line. Transition from Eli to rookie would be that.
OBJ, assuming there is nothing other than the usual social media silliness, is sort of a second story line.
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so they wouldn't be subject to Hard Knocks. We have a new GM and coach since then so if the new regime wqnts it then I am sure they'll get it but if they don't I am sure they wont.
How long ago was Finding Giants? It was to avoid Hard Knocks, but it was never going to work forever.
from a pretty good source that "Finding Giants" was done on the premise that it would serve as their version of Hard Knocks and they won't be considered for several years.
We'll see if that ends up being true, but my guess is that it will.
Giants gotta bring that Tight End from Cleveland last year Â
'16 Rams, '17 Bucs, '18 Browns... all three of those head coaches are now out of a job. Two them were fired mid-season the same year as their Hardknocks season (Fisher in '16 and Hu Jackson in '18).
IMO putting internal locker-room matters on TV, often edited for dramatic effect, can only cause internal strife and questioning of loyalty.
'16 Rams, '17 Bucs, '18 Browns... all three of those head coaches are now out of a job. Two them were fired mid-season the same year as their Hardknocks season (Fisher in '16 and Hu Jackson in '18).
IMO putting internal locker-room matters on TV, often edited for dramatic effect, can only cause internal strife and questioning of loyalty.
I think more the case is, those HC's basically sucked.
'16 Rams, '17 Bucs, '18 Browns... all three of those head coaches are now out of a job. Two them were fired mid-season the same year as their Hardknocks season (Fisher in '16 and Hu Jackson in '18).
IMO putting internal locker-room matters on TV, often edited for dramatic effect, can only cause internal strife and questioning of loyalty.
The Giants won 8 games the past two years combined.
they have finished the season over .500 once the past 6 years, I'm pretty sure Hard Knocks isn't going to derail this juggernaut.
yeah, teams that are having success do not qualify for HK Â
from a pretty good source that "Finding Giants" was done on the premise that it would serve as their version of Hard Knocks and they won't be considered for several years.
We'll see if that ends up being true, but my guess is that it will.
Yeah, several years. That was four years ago. I think the NFL has fulfilled the "several years" quota.
nobody is going to want to have shurmur on tv
Seriously. Hard Knocks is for crappy teams and organizations. Add in some compelling story lines and the New York market. Damn straight the Giants should be on Hard Knocks. This should come as a surprise to no one.
The Giants earned this. Would love for people to stop bitching about it. Actually, I want the Giants to be on Hard Knocks. I want the microscope on Mara's organization. You know who else wants it? Eric wants it. Can you imagine the traffic on BBI? TF.
Having the Giants on there would add just another level of interest to the upcoming season.
Oh, and more for BBI to bitch about! LOL
Having the Giants on there would add just another level of interest to the upcoming season.
Oh, and more for BBI to bitch about! LOL
+1
I’m all for it.
Having the Giants on there would add just another level of interest to the upcoming season.
Oh, and more for BBI to bitch about! LOL
Agreed. I honestly don’t understand how Giants fans wouldn’t want this.
I actually believe this rumor, but things change and I'm not sure it was written in stone. This would be the perfect year for us to do it. This is a team in transition with stars people want to see. Nobody wants Hard Knocks, but if the league decides this is the year than so be it. It's not like this team is making a Superbowl this year unless Barkley goes for 3000.
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.....I watch the show and have enjoyed it every year.
Having the Giants on there would add just another level of interest to the upcoming season.
Oh, and more for BBI to bitch about! LOL
Agreed. I honestly don’t understand how Giants fans wouldn’t want this.
Honestly as a fan, at least it gives us more Giants football to give a shit about. It's not like the team has provided that past Halloween in recent memory.
Plus the show isn’t as negative as people tend to think. Sees to help find some hidden talent. And maybe will be fun to see Eli Manning candid. And help finish off weeding out the malcontents bc they love the spotlight.
I'd actually be much more interested in seeing it after that particular "storyline" becomes a non-factor. Let the Giants do Hard Knocks when whoever the next QB is in the starting position and Eli can watch it from home, sitting on his couch made of 100 dollar bills, and not having to deal with a bunch of cameras in his face reminding him that it's almost time to go. That ain't right, and as much as some people might enjoy seeing how that plays out behind the scenes, I don't want it.
All that said....if I'm being honest, I'd watch it if it they did it this year. I just hope they don't.
I don’t see how it’s the Raiders before they move. Once they’re in Vegas, of course
Technically he is correct. Modell, Cleveland, and the NFL all reached an agreement that led to it all remaining in Cleveland. The NFL would deactivate the Browns for three years (they promised the city another team by 1999) and Modell would relinquish the Browns name, colors, history, records, awards, and archives, which would all remain in Cleveland and remain with the new team that was to take over the NFL "Browns" franchise.
No, give me a look inside Jints Central. Let the cameras follow around Mara, Gettleman, Abrams, Chris Mara, and Tyseer Siam. And when Ernie gets called in, and he will, add him to the mix as well. This would be priceless...
Sure, I would watch, it would be interesting. Distractions and circus like this though are for crap teams where winning and being able to consistently compete with the best is a distant or never existed memory. Another sign of the depths to which the franchise has sunk.
Hopefully Mara has some pull with the league and can avoid this. Although, maybe he wants it to entertain the fans since the football has not for so long.
This team has a lot more to be concerned about than possible distractions from a few TV cameras.
Waiting for the thread on whether Barkley should be on the SI cover...
Sure, I would watch, it would be interesting. Distractions and circus like this though are for crap teams where winning and being able to consistently compete with the best is a distant or never existed memory. Another sign of the depths to which the franchise has sunk.
Hopefully Mara has some pull with the league and can avoid this. Although, maybe he wants it to entertain the fans since the football has not for so long.
Wow talk about an overreaction, don’t be such a drama queen.
This team has a lot more to be concerned about than possible distractions from a few TV cameras.
Waiting for the thread on whether Barkley should be on the SI cover...
Seriously! How dare they film these million dollar athletes that are on national TV every week!
And yes, any actual malcontents will have pressure put on them by the media too.
This team is a couple of years from competing. Hard Knocks might make Shurmur's job harder, but Gettleman's job a lot easier.
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for the season. I am sure Shurmur will be able to draw on his the vast pool of his past head coaching success to mitigate the distraction this would bring.
Sure, I would watch, it would be interesting. Distractions and circus like this though are for crap teams where winning and being able to consistently compete with the best is a distant or never existed memory. Another sign of the depths to which the franchise has sunk.
Hopefully Mara has some pull with the league and can avoid this. Although, maybe he wants it to entertain the fans since the football has not for so long.
Wow talk about an overreaction, don’t be such a drama queen.
Good football teams prepare in training camp to for the season where the goal is to bang with the best and compete for a playoff spot and a chance to win it all.
There may not be another team in the NFL more than the Giants who need to win that first game and start off win some W's in order to avoid, yet another, season that goes stright down the toliet bowl before Hallowwen again.
How would the circus that this show would bring to camp help this goal? Perhaps this could be mitigated if the coach and culture of the team was stronger with more success to fall back on. But, this is not true wit this group.
Winning teams with winning cultures focus on football and team building with minimal distraction. Distraction is destruction in football. Maybe I am a drama queen, but if you want the Giants to finally turn over and start winning again you should hope they pick another team.
To me it is a bad thing, but in this world where entertainment trumps winning and players are glorified for individual singular efforts even in losses and having never achieve nothing of note I am sure many disagree.
For the hundredth time, they don’t have a say.
They don’t have a choice, if they fit the criteria and are selected they can’t decline it.
lol
This is right in the article...
People literally don't even read the articles they post here half the time - and we wonder why misinformation travels so quickly...
Yeah followed by “total guesswork”. He also outlined why he thinks the Giants will be the NFL and HBO’s first choice.
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literally writes in the column that he thinks it will be the Niners.
Yeah followed by “total guesswork”. He also outlined why he thinks the Giants will be the NFL and HBO’s first choice.
No he didn't. Read it again.
If they are on the show, I am watching, and I know even the people bitching right now will be watching as well.
The Giants could use the publicity to fill the stadium that is packed with away fans anyway.
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literally writes in the column that he thinks it will be the Niners.
Yeah followed by “total guesswork”. He also outlined why he thinks the Giants will be the NFL and HBO’s first choice.
No he didn't. Read it again.
I did and yes he did. Giants are #1 in the article as to teams he thinks will be picked. And at the bottom when he claims it will be the 49ers he says they will be picked AFTER the Giants are considered followed by “total guesswork”.
His power rankings are his own preference based on who he thinks makes the most sense. Not the order of predicted likelihood.
The OP says the writer claims he thinks it will be the Giants - the writer clearly says he thinks it will be SF. All he says is he thinks the league will "kick the tires" on the both Giants AND Raiders.
He also made a joke about the Giants needing to be the choice if the NFL is seeking a Keeping Up with the Kardashians type of production.
There is nothing in this article that says the Giants are the most likely team. There's a difference between best fit and most likely.
I shouldn't need to explain that, but here I am!
He gives reasons for everyone the same way he gives them for the Giants.
He gives reasons for everyone the same way he gives them for the Giants.
Yet he lists them IN ORDER with the Giants #1. 1>2>3>4>5
People love Saquon everywhere and on top of that OBJ is an international rock star.
Those two are draws by themselves.
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Yawn, dupe.
He gives reasons for everyone the same way he gives them for the Giants.
Yet he lists them IN ORDER with the Giants #1. 1>2>3>4>5
Best fit does not = most likely.
You'll get it.
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If it is after the draft, I could see them selecting the Giants if they spend their top pick on a QB because the Eli-rookie dynamic would be a draw. If they don't select a QB high, where is the compelling story line outside of OBJ? Eli giving bland comments about wanting to compete and win is going to be a snooze fest for a national audience.
People love Saquon everywhere and on top of that OBJ is an international rock star.
Those two are draws by themselves.
I don't think "Gee, Saquon seems like a really mature dude!" is a compelling story line for a national audience. I could be wrong, but if I was picking the team I would want one with at least one very compelling story line. Transition from Eli to rookie would be that.
OBJ, assuming there is nothing other than the usual social media silliness, is sort of a second story line.
How long ago was Finding Giants? It was to avoid Hard Knocks, but it was never going to work forever.
A shocking turn of events...
We'll see if that ends up being true, but my guess is that it will.
IMO putting internal locker-room matters on TV, often edited for dramatic effect, can only cause internal strife and questioning of loyalty.
IMO putting internal locker-room matters on TV, often edited for dramatic effect, can only cause internal strife and questioning of loyalty.
I think more the case is, those HC's basically sucked.
IMO putting internal locker-room matters on TV, often edited for dramatic effect, can only cause internal strife and questioning of loyalty.
The Giants won 8 games the past two years combined.
they have finished the season over .500 once the past 6 years, I'm pretty sure Hard Knocks isn't going to derail this juggernaut.
We'll see if that ends up being true, but my guess is that it will.
Yeah, several years. That was four years ago. I think the NFL has fulfilled the "several years" quota.