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Offensive Lineman HOF

joekono : 2/18/2019 11:13 pm
It seems that if your're an offensive lineman and don't have a star on your helmet, you have no shot at the HOF. I still get chills hearing Pat Summerall go"BENSON, ARD, OATES, GODFREY, NELSON and BAVARO(great blocking TE too)". The "90 team had Jumbo and Roberts. The 2007,2011 teams had great lines with McKenzie, Diehl, Snee on both teams. Now I know Bart Oates was in the USFL first but he was great there too. It's always bugged me and I just wanted opinions if you think any of these players should be in. I think Oates, Benson, Snee and Diehl are locks(if they had stars on the helmet). McKenzie and Jumbo Jet/Giant players also should be considered. Thanks everyone.
Only..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/18/2019 11:20 pm : link
Cowboys OL are in the Hall??

Alrighty then
Cowboys OL  
joekono : 2/18/2019 11:41 pm : link
Ever hear of Rayfield Wright and Larry Allen. Erik Williams will be in soon as soon as they forget his off-field antics. If the HOF is taking it too far then they're OLs are always talked about "The Great Wall of Dallas" and the one they have now is great and I'm glad they are stupid enough not to use it more so the Super Bowl clock can keep ticking. WOW! 24 years without a Bowl, must be tough for them. May Jerry Jones live to be 145!
Dallas has two OLs...  
bw in dc : 2/19/2019 12:02 am : link
in Canton - Allen and Wright.

I'm too young to have seen Wright, but by everything I've read he was awesome. And most of us have seen Allen, who was an absolute monster.

Erik Williams would get my vote.

I think the Giants olines that were part of SBs were more of the sum being greater than the individual parts.

I'd say Oates has the best case. 5X PB and 3X SB winner.
I don't really know what you're talking about...  
Leg of Theismann : 2/19/2019 4:59 am : link
46 OL inducted in the HOF in the "modern era" and 2 of them are Cowboys...

Larry Allen was an 11x pro bowler and 7x 1st-team all-pro. I don't know much about Wright but he was a 6x all-pro and considered by most to be one of the top OL of the 1970s. When you dominate a generation at your position you likely get consideration for the HOF.

David Diehl went to 1 pro bowl and McKenzie never went to a pro bowl. Don't get me wrong I love these guys, David Diehl is one of my all-time favorite Giants and was a good player, but they are definitely not HOFers so I don't know why you're bringing them into the conversation. Jumbo Elliot also just 1 pro bowl and was never an all-pro. Agree with poster who said Bart Oates has the best case, he might get in someday. Snee was also a great player but HOF is a stretch. If you put Snee in then I can easily name about 50 other OL from over the years who should get in as well.

Sometimes you just have to be happy with the fact these guys led the G-Men to a few Lombardi trophies, which is the ultimate goal in football and was a testament to how great those TEAMS were, not necessarily all of the individual players *

That Dallas OL of the 90s was absolutely dominant and I would have no problem with 2 of them being the HOF (if that happens). Same way the Giants LBs were absolutely dominant in the mid-80s and that's why LT, Carson, and possibly someday Banks are/will all be in the HOF. The SB-winning Giants OLs were fantastic but if you really look at it and you consider any one of the individual players for the HOF you realize that you have to then consider all sorts of other great O-Lineman over the years from all around the league.
LOL sorry I just still can't believe  
Leg of Theismann : 2/19/2019 5:16 am : link
you just said Brad Benson should be a "lock" for the HOF, or would be if he had a star on his helmet? I mean no offense but just wondering did you basically just pick any Giants OL who has a super bowl ring and went to the pro bowl 1 time (or more)?

I mean Nate Newton isn't in the HOF and technically he has a better resume than any of the Giants players you named AND has a star on his helmet... and what exactly do you think is keeping Kevin Gogan out of the HOF, I mean considering he has 2 super bowl rings, 3 pro bowls, and a star on his helmet?
Should have stopped...  
Ryan : 2/19/2019 8:55 am : link
...at breaking up the Beatles.
David Diehl? Seriously?  
Greg from LI : 2/19/2019 9:30 am : link
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Oates and Snee are the only ones of the bunch with HOF-caliber resumes  
regulator : 2/19/2019 11:40 am : link
and I doubt either get in. The "great" Giants OL were that way because they exemplified functioning as a unit, such that the whole was greater than the sum of its parts... as most arguably "great" OLs do.

Some of the best units of all time had only one or two players who were objectively at the top of their positions (if at all).

Silly premise for this thread...
None of those players  
djstat : 2/19/2019 12:44 pm : link
Are Hall of Fame. Hall of Very Good Maybe. You did not see Snee or Oates dominate like an Allen, or an Ogden or a Munez etc.
When I think of the NFL Hall of Fame,  
Mad Mike : 2/19/2019 12:54 pm : link
I think about what a travesty it is that Chris Godfrey is excluded because he didn't have the good fortune to play for the Cowboys.
RE: Dallas has two OLs...  
Rong5611 : 2/19/2019 3:11 pm : link
Oates won twice.

In comment 14299660 bw in dc said:
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in Canton - Allen and Wright.

I'm too young to have seen Wright, but by everything I've read he was awesome. And most of us have seen Allen, who was an absolute monster.

Erik Williams would get my vote.

I think the Giants olines that were part of SBs were more of the sum being greater than the individual parts.

I'd say Oates has the best case. 5X PB and 3X SB winner.
RE: David Diehl? Seriously?  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/19/2019 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14299820 Greg from LI said:
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DD was the epitome of a guy who over maximized every ounce of his talent. Zero shot at the HOF. And nor does he deserve it.

I’d second Oats
RE: RE: Dallas has two OLs...  
bw in dc : 2/19/2019 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14300266 Rong5611 said:
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Oates won twice.

In comment 14299660 bw in dc said:


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in Canton - Allen and Wright.

I'm too young to have seen Wright, but by everything I've read he was awesome. And most of us have seen Allen, who was an absolute monster.

Erik Williams would get my vote.

I think the Giants olines that were part of SBs were more of the sum being greater than the individual parts.

I'd say Oates has the best case. 5X PB and 3X SB winner.



It's three. Oates was with the 9ers when they won the SB in 1994.

Offensive Lineman HOF  
joekono : 2/20/2019 12:05 am : link
Excellent discussion. Some good points and some inaccurate but pull go out on Youtube and watch Morris run! Thanks everyone. 24 years and counting!!!
Huh??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/20/2019 12:23 am : link
what the fuck dos Morris running have to do with the HoF credentials (or lack thereof) of players from a decade and a half later??
Offensive Lineman HOF  
joekono : 2/22/2019 4:07 am : link
Chill dude. Take a deep breath. I think we've all moved on. 24 years and counting!
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