Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)
2/19/19, 6:30 AM
Starting today and until March 5, there could be at least 10 players receiving some form of a tag: DeMarcus Lawrence, Jadeveon Clowney, Dee Ford, Frank Clark, Gardy Jarrett, Landon Collins, Nick Foles, Le’Veon Bell, Donovan Smith, Robbie Gould and Stephen Gostkowski, per sources
Florio PFT: OBJ to 49ers trade remains a possibility
“The 49ers have had real interest in Beckham for nearly a year; the only question is whether the Giants are willing to pull the trigger. As reflected by last week’s bold offseason prediction from Jay Glazer, the Giants may indeed be ready to do so.
The 49ers hold the second and 36th overall picks in the 2019 draft; the No. 2 overall selection would seemingly be a high price to pay, possibly requiring the Giants to send maybe a third- or fourth-round pick back to the 49ers to balance it all out.
The Rams also had interest last year in trading for Beckham. They instead made a deal for Brandin Cooks. But if the Rams want to make a big splash in 2019, they could (in theory) dangle someone like receiver Robert Woods to the Giants as part of the package.
However it all plays out, Glazer didn’t throw out the notion of a Beckham trade recklessly. Beckham remains in play for a trade (no matter what the Giants officially say), and the 49ers remain on the short list of teams that could get him.”
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/18/obj-to-49ers-trade-remains-a-possibility/ 
I seriously doubt, but won't dismiss, the trade Beckham notion. If they trade pre-June 1st there is a $5 mill cap hit and $16 mill in dead money if I read OTC correctly. Trading him this year is basically out of the question unless they get a huge return to make up for the money loss. In other words, despite what Florio says, they would need to get at least the 2nd pick without any throw ins.(He said the Giants would need to add a 3rd and 4th pick to even up the trade - of course the Giants don't have a 3rd pick.)
Hard to imagine why the Giants wouldn’t tag LC, fair value for a fair player. And no other player needs the tag.
I seriously doubt, but won't dismiss, the trade Beckham notion. If they trade pre-June 1st there is a $5 mill cap hit and $16 mill in dead money if I read OTC correctly. Trading him this year is basically out of the question unless they get a huge return to make up for the money loss. In other words, despite what Florio says, they would need to get at least the 2nd pick without any throw ins.(He said the Giants would need to add a 3rd and 4th pick to even up the trade - of course the Giants don't have a 3rd pick.)
I agree. The 49rs would basically be getting him at a discount since the Giants are responsible for a large portion of that contract. They would have to give the 2.
Having to account for Barkley and OBJ, expecially if and when OLine overhaul is completed puts Giants in rare position within the league.
Forget that. Get the players this year. Huge year for dline and oline.
If we are eating dead money this year, we need to get something in return this year. I would take the first in 2020, but they would have to give us their 2nd round pick this year. If they need to have one of our garbage 4th round picks to "even" it out so be it. But we aren't going to eat dead money and get back a bag of chips. The 2020 first will serve as draft collateral to move up and get a QB.
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Get a first for 2020.
If we are eating dead money this year, we need to get something in return this year. I would take the first in 2020, but they would have to give us their 2nd round pick this year. If they need to have one of our garbage 4th round picks to "even" it out so be it. But we aren't going to eat dead money and get back a bag of chips. The 2020 first will serve as draft collateral to move up and get a QB.
The 2020 draft class is primarily why I suggested what I said. I get wanting a blue chip DL or Edge Rusher at 2, as section125 said. It’s very tempting.
Great stuff...
A lesson to others in how to conduct yourself as a face of the franchise. Don't hold court with Lil' Wayne after the owners just dumped a pile of cash on you.
Yea it isn’t like there’s a whole offseason and draft
Great stuff...
Lol. Here we thought Mara loved Manning, but I'm wondering if this is actually punishment.
Can he play LF?
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Get a first for 2020.
If we are eating dead money this year, we need to get something in return this year. I would take the first in 2020, but they would have to give us their 2nd round pick this year. If they need to have one of our garbage 4th round picks to "even" it out so be it. But we aren't going to eat dead money and get back a bag of chips. The 2020 first will serve as draft collateral to move up and get a QB.
The 2020 draft class is primarily why I suggested what I said. I get wanting a blue chip DL or Edge Rusher at 2, as section125 said. It’s very tempting.
We don't have a clue as to what transpires in CFB this year for next year's class. What if Tua and Fromm get hurt or decide to stay in college? What if the 49ers end up 9-7 and the 20th pick? Both unlikely, but....
I understand the desire for a QB next year, but you take what you can this year as they will know what is definitely available. Maybe DG with 2 top 6 picks takes Haskins or Murray with one and the top line guy with the other (off or def)?
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and eating his dead money while keeping Eli around.
Great stuff...
A lesson to others in how to conduct yourself as a face of the franchise. Don't hold court with Lil' Wayne after the owners just dumped a pile of cash on you.
The lesson to others is we'll crush our own cap to get rid of you? The only person that feels the pain in that move is the Giants.
OBJ is a HOF level talent and the dead money hit would be crazy (as I understand it). The Giants must understand this, I can't see them actively trying to move him. But, remember, DG didn't rule it out completely. His quote was "we didn't sign him to trade him". He didn't say he wouldn't trade him.
I think OBJ's camp may be stirring the pot. Doesn't sound like OBJ wants to play here.
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I agree. Not only do you then have to replace that talent, but you also take a huge cap hit and have less resources to do anything! I think it’s possible next year or year after. If Giants don’t get the QB this year, they may need to dangle OBJ next year to get the draft capital needed to move up, provided they improve.
I still wouldn't do it due to the cap hit, but that's the only reason I could see a trade being logical.
How are these two moves even seen in concert beyond the fact that they both play for the Giants?
Tagging LC requires zero thought, he’s certainly worth tag money and including available FAs he’s completely serviceable with plenty of upside should he return to form of three seasons ago.
Trading OBJ nets a 2 and maybe more which means the Giants would have a top QB and another top pick at 6.
Fortune favors the bold.
I don't understand the logic in trading OBJ at all, I don't even like him that much but I don't see a reason to trade him unless ownership just hates his guts
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I don't get trading Odell. It doesn't make sense on the field (he's a tremendous talent) or off the field (the $ hit we'll take).
not to mention that for all his quirks, he’s also a reason for fans to come to games and spend on merchandise
Barkley is the face of teh franchise now. Not OBJ, not ELI, Barkley and Barkley alone.
You crazy.
At some point you've got to stick with a direction. You determined Beckham was part of the future, keep building toward it.
Oh the trade rumors (#fakenews) would be daily.
haha -- now that funny -- I LoLed
It is a bad year for draft eligible WRs? No it is not.
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and eating his dead money while keeping Eli around.
Great stuff...
A lesson to others in how to conduct yourself as a face of the franchise. Don't hold court with Lil' Wayne after the owners just dumped a pile of cash on you.
The lesson to others is we'll crush our own cap to get rid of you? The only person that feels the pain in that move is the Giants.
People need to understand that $16M doesn't crush our own cap. We ate $15M of JPP's dead money to get a 3rd round pick back. If we were in the Alex Smith Dead Cap neighborhood, then yes, that crushes the cap. $16M? Not so much.
If the Pats were actually interested in 'aggressively pursuing him', and they resigned him (just after a serious injury) only to pull the plug a year later and eat a huge cap hit rather than take that offer, he's even worse than his critics have claimed thus far.
That's a big if though.
This. That's an amazing get for him. I know he's a fantastic talent but 2 overall when we have the 6 pick as well is crazy.
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How do you not do it?
This. That's an amazing get for him. I know he's a fantastic talent but 2 overall when we have the 6 pick as well is crazy.
No Top 10 talents at WR but very very deep class especially with all the underclassmen declaring
Yawn, not happening regardless
If the Pats were actually interested in 'aggressively pursuing him', and they resigned him (just after a serious injury) only to pull the plug a year later and eat a huge cap hit rather than take that offer, he's even worse than his critics have claimed thus far.
That's a big if though.
I agree in part, but you don't know what's happened since, so its a bit unfair to claim anything about the situation in absolutes. If he wanted Beckham here longterm (which he did since we signed him) but something unforeseen happened that seems irreparable, should he not look for other options?
Yawn, not happening regardless
No chance. I'd say there's no way we'd get 2 unless our 2nd rounder was coming back and even then I don't buy it.
I'm guessing the 36+ future picks would be the package if this indeed happens.
If the Pats were actually interested in 'aggressively pursuing him', and they resigned him (just after a serious injury) only to pull the plug a year later and eat a huge cap hit rather than take that offer, he's even worse than his critics have claimed thus far.
That's a big if though.
You are forgetting a huge piece. If NE offered a late first and SF is offering the number 2 pick then that is a huge difference. You take the cap hit if it gets you a much better pick/player. You can turn that second pick into many firsts so, yeah, there is a huge piece of the equation you left out.
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How do you not do it?
This. That's an amazing get for him. I know he's a fantastic talent but 2 overall when we have the 6 pick as well is crazy.
hard to imagine the Giants not jumping on it if SF offered 2 and 36.
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How do you not do it?
This. That's an amazing get for him. I know he's a fantastic talent but 2 overall when we have the 6 pick as well is crazy.
While I agree with not getting a player as talented as OBJ, if we got two players that were worth their draft positions on both sides of the ball and they solidify important units on their respective sides for a decade I think it is worth it.
The question revolves around whether 5 mil in space and the trade haul is worth it. IF some team is willing to back up the draft pick dump truck with a crazy offer, it may well be worth it.
The rumors keep surfacing. Maybe in the not likely to happen category, but methinks it's not complete BS that the Giants are willing to listen if the phone rings, either.
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and eating his dead money while keeping Eli around.
Great stuff...
A lesson to others in how to conduct yourself as a face of the franchise. Don't hold court with Lil' Wayne after the owners just dumped a pile of cash on you.
The lesson to others is we'll crush our own cap to get rid of you? The only person that feels the pain in that move is the Giants.
People need to understand that $16M doesn't crush our own cap. We ate $15M of JPP's dead money to get a 3rd round pick back. If we were in the Alex Smith Dead Cap neighborhood, then yes, that crushes the cap. $16M? Not so much.
That's $15m worth of dead money you can't use to make the team better, is the point.
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There's about a 99% chance with either the 2nd or 36th pick you won't pick a player near as good as OBJ....sorry
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How do you not do it?
This. That's an amazing get for him. I know he's a fantastic talent but 2 overall when we have the 6 pick as well is crazy.
While I agree with not getting a player as talented as OBJ, if we got two players that were worth their draft positions on both sides of the ball and they solidify important units on their respective sides for a decade I think it is worth it.
😂😂😂😂😂 you guys are hilarious
Draft picks are like cocaine to a fanbase.
I think he still can but wouldn't be worth it to Pittsburgh to go through this whole ordeal again. Who knows though, that team is in a really weird spot right now so I wouldn't put anything past them.
While that might be true you have to factor in cost and whether the relationship is damaged (otherwise why would we be shopping him?).
If none of that mattered I'd agree, but something is up and if he's pulled a non-public Antonio Brown, than his skill level doesn't matter to us anymore. Not saying this is the case at all, but it changes his value if true.
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namely, he doesn't understand how to set a course for a team.
If the Pats were actually interested in 'aggressively pursuing him', and they resigned him (just after a serious injury) only to pull the plug a year later and eat a huge cap hit rather than take that offer, he's even worse than his critics have claimed thus far.
That's a big if though.
You are forgetting a huge piece. If NE offered a late first and SF is offering the number 2 pick then that is a huge difference. You take the cap hit if it gets you a much better pick/player. You can turn that second pick into many firsts so, yeah, there is a huge piece of the equation you left out.
Yes - a year later, for the cost of $15m in dead cap and with the possibility that Beckham returned less than his usual self from that injury. I considered it, just didn't think it was anywhere near enough value to make this stupid idea any less stupid.
Then again, this is the GM who threw starter money at Omameh and cut him before the season was out.
Same stuff was going on with LC - on the block last year for a 2 but now seen as a franchise player looking to sign longterm?
The front office is operating strangely here. Either these guys are core players & part of the solution moving forward or they're not. You don't trade young core players.
Something tells me the Maras don’t like handing out millions of dollars to a player to have him publicly question the team and playing for the organization a month later.
We’ll see what happens.
Same stuff was going on with LC - on the block last year for a 2 but now seen as a franchise player looking to sign longterm?
The front office is operating strangely here. Either these guys are core players & part of the solution moving forward or they're not. You don't trade young core players.
If anybody is Jeckyl/Hyde, it's Beckham. Played the great teammate all offseason and stayed out of trouble and out of the limelight, then a month after getting paid is sitting there shitting on the team with Little Wayne on ESPN saying he wished he could play in LA.
I'm not for or against trading Beckham, necessarily. Would love to have his talent but could see it if they wanted to turn a single player into multiple resources.
Beckham is better, younger and less crazy.
If GM is competent, he made the decision that he is stuck with OBJ unless offered the world in exchange, or OBJ was making a zero or negative contribution to the team.
If this speculation is serious (probably just writers trying to justify another payday) then it is the GM we should be looking to cut ties with.
I've said it before and I'll say again: tons of investment at the skill positions for mediocre offensive results. Start clearing people out and investing elsewhere. The 2nd pick in the draft is a great place to start.
There are other WRs in the collegiate and nfl world.
I love Beckham but the giants have bigger needs across the roster that won’t go anytime soon. The giants have a decent pass catchers even without Beckham on the team and they can add to that group via the draft and FA. Engram and Shepard is a start.
I’d consider it for the right price.
At some point you've got to stick with a direction. You determined Beckham was part of the future, keep building toward it.
What does this even mean? So if they sign Beckham rather than let him walk for nothing and then trade him for chips one year later that’s worse than letting him go for a 3rd comp pick? What if they got a first in the trade?
Oh, you’re obsessing over dead money. Who cares.
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Sure. That sounds like a good plan.
There are other WRs in the collegiate and nfl world.
I love Beckham but the giants have bigger needs across the roster that won’t go anytime soon. The giants have a decent pass catchers even without Beckham on the team and they can add to that group via the draft and FA. Engram and Shepard is a start.
I’d consider it for the right price.
Yup. The offense performed well without him - with the exception of the Titans game - in the final four games of the season.
Yes, It's probably a screw up to have signed him to a long-term deal instead of trading him last season, but at least this signals to me that DG isn't wasting time to realize his mistakes and reverse course. Obviously, if he's doing these types of moves every year, however. he's got to go.
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I don't get trading Odell. It doesn't make sense on the field (he's a tremendous talent) or off the field (the $ hit we'll take).
not to mention that for all his quirks, he’s also a reason for fans to come to games and spend on merchandise
Prioritizing what the fans want is a main reasons the Giants are in the mess they are in.
Building a long-term successful team sometimes involves alienating the fans. But no matter how many fans you lose in the short-term, they'll jump back on board when you have a winning team again (see: process-era 76ers).
[quote] think there's a chance this could be purely football related and they don't think he's got quite the same explosion in combination with going Hollywood. He didn't *appear* to have that extra gear last year. [/quote
How about giving him a competent receiver opposite of him. Our passing offense almost goes exclusively through him. He's not going to look explosive when he gets triple covered and has no where to go when he gets the ball.
Should really read Saquon is a freak of nature, and made things happen on his own, while we had virtually no passing game, and still managed to lose games because Saquon can't carry the entire offense.
That's extrapolating a lot from what I said. Obviously, OBJ brings a lot of value to an offense, but I'm not buying the "sky is falling" scenarios if he departs. Passing games tend to more fluid and adaptable than they appear.
Obviously, if they can't get good assets from OBJ is a trade, they should keep him.
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So if we cannot trade him, we should just cut him since we play better anyway...
Should really read Saquon is a freak of nature, and made things happen on his own, while we had virtually no passing game, and still managed to lose games because Saquon can't carry the entire offense.
The passing game was pretty effective against the Skins, Colts, and Cowboys without OBJ, and I'm firmly in the "move on from Eli" camp.
Saquon is an immense talent, but if the goal is to build around him this should have started last year, not in his second season.
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How do you not do it?
This. That's an amazing get for him. I know he's a fantastic talent but 2 overall when we have the 6 pick as well is crazy.
I would agree pre-injury. He didn't look like the same player to me last year, he didn't have that extra gear he had pre-injury. I'm happy to have him stick around, but I would do it for a 2 and 36.
But this is all BS anyway, I don't see this happening.
I'm confident we'll be picking around the same area in 2020 as we are now.
Saquon is an immense talent, but if the goal is to build around him this should have started last year, not in his second season.
The problem here is order of operations - Eli's due a roster bonus before the draft. This decision would have to be made now, and executed before the draft.
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We will very likely end up in a place next year where we have to move him in order to move up. It'll be QB hell inside 2 years if we don't draft one this year or next and this team will be in the late teens next year.
I'm confident we'll be picking around the same area in 2020 as we are now.
Always the eternal optimist GT... lol
Patriots receivers the last 2 seasons: Edelman, Hogan, Dorsett, Gordon (for 1/2 a season)
Rams: Brooks, Cooks, J. Reynolds
Eagles: Jeffery, Agholor, Matthews
I mean looking at the Super Bowl matchups the past 10 years - I'll give you the 2017 Falcons as the only team with a generational talent at WR. The rest of them had guys that had good years, but certainly not superstars.
Dealing OBJ is probably the right move if you can get a good enough offer. And good enough is probably less than folks on here assume.
Dealing OBJ is probably the right move if you can get a good enough offer. And good enough is probably less than folks on here assume.
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all this OBJ trade talk. DG has publicly stated he didn't sign OBJ to a long term deal to turnaround and trade him. But the noise keeps popping up. Is it just noise being created by writers who have nothing new to report because of the time of year (so they are over speculating to generate news), or is there something to it?
Other than speculation, I haven't read anything where a writer has stated any evidence or quoted any sources that say the Giants are actively shopping OBJ.
Exactly, pure speculation and noise. Nothing more. Makes no sense to move OBJ
And what was that line?
You add OBJ to your title or the body of your article it's going to show up higher in the feeds and clicks.
And you know this how, exactly?
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was VERY close to being a 49er last year. Giants drew a line in the sand & if the 49er's crossed it, Odell was gone.
And what was that line?
Line was not privy to me, i simply was told Giants & 49ers were having heavy discussions, it was very close to happening but the Giants (rightfully) wanted too much.
Now this contract, i cannot see him being dealt. I haven't heard anything.
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was VERY close to being a 49er last year. Giants drew a line in the sand & if the 49er's crossed it, Odell was gone.
And you know this how, exactly?
This question always gets asked, and i understand why. I'm not saying anymore on it. Believe or don't believe it. Either way its in the past. I'm not saying anything else on the topic.
This. He's a top 3 player at a premium position in the prime of his career. They aren't easy to find. If you are even open to dealing him you better have your reasons and if you do deal him, it better be for value. If the Niners are that team, you should be hanging up the phone on them if doesn't revolve around the 2nd pick.
We have done a horrible job over the years protecting our investments. I have said this before but it should be repeated. If Eli was the strength of our team in 2008 and on then we shouldn't have had the mentality that Eli will make our OL look better than they are. It should be the opposite. It should have been Eli is so important to the success of this team that we need to address the OL to protect him.
Fast forward to Beckham. He has been our offense since he stepped foot on the field. What have we done to help him out? Not much.
Now, Gettleman takes over and gets Barkley. He helps take a lot of the pressure off Beckham and makes our offense more balanced. We still have work to do obviously. Our OL still needs to be addressed. But this is the first time since our defense a few years ago that we had something to hang our hat on.
Gettting rid of Beckham is the opposite of protecting your investment. It is going back to that mentality that Barkley is good enough to make up for lesser weapons around him. It isn't what should be done. It should be how can we make Barkley the best back to ever play this game?
I understand we had some great offensive outputs without Beckham this year but those are small sample sizes.
Lets look at KC. KC is loaded with talent and Mahomes was part of that. Because of their talent almost every team played off coverage and zone as to not let KC burn them deep. What happened was Mahomes was still so goo and Hill was still so fast they still made plays downfield. Most teams wouldn't dare load up the box, play press coverage, and leave their DBs one on one with all that talent on O. Well, nobody by Belichick. Bekichick said if we are going to give up big plays it is going to be because they earned it. He blitzed Mahomes while leaving his secondary vulnerable. He put the onus on Mahomes to be accurate and it worked. Most young QBs are going to struggle with making quick decisions and accurate passes while staring down a pass rush.
Now relate that to any QB we bring in. If you get rid of Beckham teams are just going to stack the box to stop Barkley and blitz the shit out of our QB. Are you putting that QB in a great position to succeed? Are you putting Barkley in a position to succeed? The answer is no.
I did say that this is just on the field and more goes into it than that but from an on the field perspective it doesn't make sense to me. I am not factoring in other things for this post and I am not saying if the right offer came along that I wouldn't take it.
We have done a horrible job over the years protecting our investments. I have said this before but it should be repeated. If Eli was the strength of our team in 2008 and on then we shouldn't have had the mentality that Eli will make our OL look better than they are. It should be the opposite. It should have been Eli is so important to the success of this team that we need to address the OL to protect him.
Fast forward to Beckham. He has been our offense since he stepped foot on the field. What have we done to help him out? Not much.
Now, Gettleman takes over and gets Barkley. He helps take a lot of the pressure off Beckham and makes our offense more balanced. We still have work to do obviously. Our OL still needs to be addressed. But this is the first time since our defense a few years ago that we had something to hang our hat on.
Gettting rid of Beckham is the opposite of protecting your investment. It is going back to that mentality that Barkley is good enough to make up for lesser weapons around him. It isn't what should be done. It should be how can we make Barkley the best back to ever play this game?
I understand we had some great offensive outputs without Beckham this year but those are small sample sizes.
Lets look at KC. KC is loaded with talent and Mahomes was part of that. Because of their talent almost every team played off coverage and zone as to not let KC burn them deep. What happened was Mahomes was still so goo and Hill was still so fast they still made plays downfield. Most teams wouldn't dare load up the box, play press coverage, and leave their DBs one on one with all that talent on O. Well, nobody by Belichick. Bekichick said if we are going to give up big plays it is going to be because they earned it. He blitzed Mahomes while leaving his secondary vulnerable. He put the onus on Mahomes to be accurate and it worked. Most young QBs are going to struggle with making quick decisions and accurate passes while staring down a pass rush.
Now relate that to any QB we bring in. If you get rid of Beckham teams are just going to stack the box to stop Barkley and blitz the shit out of our QB. Are you putting that QB in a great position to succeed? Are you putting Barkley in a position to succeed? The answer is no.
I did say that this is just on the field and more goes into it than that but from an on the field perspective it doesn't make sense to me. I am not factoring in other things for this post and I am not saying if the right offer came along that I wouldn't take it.
Just once, i'd like to see the QB and weapons on this team with steady line play for a year. It would suck to trade him only to shortly figure out the rest of our line thereafter.
2 DE/LB Josh Allen
6 QB Dwayne Haskins
36 OG Chris Lindstrom
37 WR N'Keal Harry
and significantly increased cap room.
You are right the following year though. The only way I see the Giants doing this is if they are concerned Beckham is injury prone, or if he is somehow a problem in the locker room. The cap hit alone would suggest that they don’t think we can seriously compete next year and would be gearing up for some big FA moves the following year
Also, Glazer made it a BOLD prediction. By definition, it's a prediction that could happen, probably won't, and exists only to make the "expert" look smart if it actually does.
That's a huge thing to consider
No guarantees of course, but there is a long history of this happening.
Not necessarily, OBJ is much younger and locked in with relatively guaranteed salaries. AB is looking for new money along with being older and a headcase.
2 DE/LB Josh Allen
6 QB Dwayne Haskins
36 OG Chris Lindstrom
37 WR N'Keal Harry
and significantly increased cap room.
I could almost sign up for that. Allen is may fav player in the draft, Haskins is my fav QB in the draft, Lindstrom and Harry are day 1 starters IMO.
OBJ didn't make big deep plays last year at all. But as noted above, he was the only threat we had at WR. He looked "good" to me most weeks, efficient and such.
If San Francisco is willing to give up their #2 straight up for him, I say make the trade. Who is to say some team doesn't call the Giants to trade down so they can get Murray or Haskins? We may want the extra picks?
Bottom line: if you trade OBJ we are truly in rebuilding mode. Why would Eli want to come back if he knows its over before it ever started?
If trading OBJ forces Eli to re-think things and retire, well maybe that works to the Giants long-term benefit? I'm just not sure.
OBJ for the #2 and #36 pick is a pipe dream, but if it were to happen we'd be able to land either Bosa or Big Q at #2 (clearly the 2 best players in the draft) and still have #6, #36, and #37. Honestly at that point I would probably trade down from #6 (maybe to #13 to Dolphins looking for QB) and get capital for next year to go after one of the 2020 QBs. Then with #13, #36, and #37 we could really build in the trenches, get 2 great OL and become a run-first team with Barkley, and otherwise get another great playmaker (whether it's WR to replace OBJ or an LB or DB on defense). This could also allow us to move on from Vernon and really free up cap space. I'd probably still want Eli on the team until end of 2020, but we could really set up a nice situation for whichever star (likely NFL-ready) 2020 QB we land to come in and have immediate success.
OBJ didn't make big deep plays last year at all. But as noted above, he was the only threat we had at WR. He looked "good" to me most weeks, efficient and such.
If San Francisco is willing to give up their #2 straight up for him, I say make the trade. Who is to say some team doesn't call the Giants to trade down so they can get Murray or Haskins? We may want the extra picks?
Bottom line: if you trade OBJ we are truly in rebuilding mode. Why would Eli want to come back if he knows its over before it ever started?
If trading OBJ forces Eli to re-think things and retire, well maybe that works to the Giants long-term benefit? I'm just not sure.
I can give you 23 million reasons why Eli Manning would not retire.
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If you trade OBJ now you are telling the team and fans that you are in a rebuilding mode now. You are telling Eli that you will likely have another really rough year.
OBJ didn't make big deep plays last year at all. But as noted above, he was the only threat we had at WR. He looked "good" to me most weeks, efficient and such.
If San Francisco is willing to give up their #2 straight up for him, I say make the trade. Who is to say some team doesn't call the Giants to trade down so they can get Murray or Haskins? We may want the extra picks?
Bottom line: if you trade OBJ we are truly in rebuilding mode. Why would Eli want to come back if he knows its over before it ever started?
If trading OBJ forces Eli to re-think things and retire, well maybe that works to the Giants long-term benefit? I'm just not sure.
I can give you 23 million reasons why Eli Manning would not retire.
Go ahead. His yearly cash earnings for 2019 will be $17M. He has already earned the signing bonus years ago. He could still retire after 3/17 with $12M blowing in the wind.
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but I would probably trade him to walk out of day 2 with:
2 DE/LB Josh Allen
6 QB Dwayne Haskins
36 OG Chris Lindstrom
37 WR N'Keal Harry
and significantly increased cap room.
I could almost sign up for that. Allen is may fav player in the draft, Haskins is my fav QB in the draft, Lindstrom and Harry are day 1 starters IMO.
I love Allen but I still feel Bosa and Quinnen Williams are the top 2 players in this draft regardless of position. If the Cards don't take Bosa then we're taking Bosa. If they do take Bosa, imagine having a d-line of Hill, Tomlinson, and Williams for years to come. In a 3-4 if you control the LOS with your down 3 you can make pretty much turn any set of LBs into all-stars.
Yup. Trade OBJ to get the #2 pick and draft a WR that you hope will be as good as OBJ.
Giants get #2, #36 & #67.
49ers get #6 and OBJ.
Not sure that is interesting enough for my blood but I imagine it's come up in negotiations (the switching of 1st round picks).
It doesn't have to be a 2019 pick though.
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When people are like “we’d get the #2 pick in the draft, etc.”. There are plenty of busts taken that high in the draft. Imagine us trading away OBJ and not only taking the huge cap hit next year but also ending up with some horrible bust at 2. That would screw us for years.
Yup. Trade OBJ to get the #2 pick and draft a WR that you hope will be as good as OBJ.
Trading a well known great player for a totally unknown question mark player
MAKES TOTAL SENSE
OFF SEASON CHAMPS MAKING SEXY OFF SEASON CHAMP MOVES!!!
#2 overall seems nice now until you draft a guy who turns into william joseph lol
picks are a crapshoot and its nice to have the capital, its much nicer to have one of the best WRs in the game. MINIMUM to start the talk for me is #2 #34
for the cardinals its rosen, #33, #65
OBJ is a GENERATIONAL talent. chances are nobody in this draft will be the level of player he is.
fans are obsessed with draft picks like they are gold. amari fucking cooper got a first rounder, im taking 2 at least for OBJ or im not doing it. idgaf if its #2 overall. OBJ is proven in the NFL.
Giants get #2, #36 & #67.
49ers get #6 and OBJ.
Not sure that is interesting enough for my blood but I imagine it's come up in negotiations (the switching of 1st round picks).
horrible deal. a 2 and 3 and move up 4 spots?!?! nah im good
Giants get #2, #36 & #67.
49ers get #6 and OBJ.
Not sure that is interesting enough for my blood but I imagine it's come up in negotiations (the switching of 1st round picks).
The great unknown!!!!
Dealing OBJ is probably the right move if you can get a good enough offer. And good enough is probably less than folks on here assume.
I understand the feelings about not trading OBJ but is it realistic for team with such major needs like the Giants who have basically been a bottom feeder for the last few years to carry a player who takes up so much financial space, IMO we don't need to afford a player like OBJ..
#2 overall seems nice now until you draft a guy who turns into william joseph lol
picks are a crapshoot and its nice to have the capital, its much nicer to have one of the best WRs in the game. MINIMUM to start the talk for me is #2 #34
for the cardinals its rosen, #33, #65
OBJ is a GENERATIONAL talent. chances are nobody in this draft will be the level of player he is.
fans are obsessed with draft picks like they are gold. amari fucking cooper got a first rounder, im taking 2 at least for OBJ or im not doing it. idgaf if its #2 overall. OBJ is proven in the NFL.
+1.
They have nothing new and nothing else to cover, so may as well spend another offseason trying to manufacture an OBJ trade.
Giants get #2, #36 & #67.
49ers get #6 and OBJ.
Not sure that is interesting enough for my blood but I imagine it's come up in negotiations (the switching of 1st round picks).
Throw in Pettis, who I really like, or Goodwin and my interest grows...
OBJ has us over a barrel right now.
I am not against a block-buster deal involving him, but just don't recall too many wins this team has had since 2014 where this guy wasn't a major factor in the outcome.
Unfortunately, I don't recall too many wins since 2014 altogether...
Also, Glazer made it a BOLD prediction. By definition, it's a prediction that could happen, probably won't, and exists only to make the "expert" look smart if it actually does.
Exactly. It's funny (really sad, actually) how this has spawned so many comments from professionals who ignore the context in which the prediction was made.
Realistically the Giants are in the midst of retooling over the next couple of seasons. We will be transitioning from Eli Manning, likely shedding some of our bigger contracts. Gettleman will continue to bring in his guys and the defence will likely get an infusion of talent.
Hypotherically, what would an offence without Beckham look like?
Our offence was effective late last year while Beckham was out. Shurmur did spread the ball around quite a lot instead of targeting OBJ heavily.
Without OBJ, our offence would likely be built around Saquon Barkley. I could easily see a lot of two TE sets.
The Giants have had trouble getting the ball into the endzon in the green zone. I do think the Giants would like to add a big physical WR who can do the physical target we haven't had since Plaxico. I could see a guy like Devin Funchess as a free agent or Hakeem Butler in perhaps round 3 of the draft or maybe even Jalen Hurd on day 3.
OBJ is certainly a great talent and a genuine weapon. I also think the offence could be ok if he moved on, though it will be different
What a waste of time.
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They need their QB and need to rebuild in the trenches. The offense runs through Saquon. I don't get the idea OBJ is 100% in with Shurmur. I could be wrong, but that's my impression.
Dealing OBJ is probably the right move if you can get a good enough offer. And good enough is probably less than folks on here assume.
I understand the feelings about not trading OBJ but is it realistic for team with such major needs like the Giants who have basically been a bottom feeder for the last few years to carry a player who takes up so much financial space, IMO we don't need to afford a player like OBJ..
He is a vital piece to the offense. As somebody mentioned, Barkley is focal point but would be less effective if OBJ is not here. Trading him for picks sounds great but if we draft a QB if the future I would think Odell would be more if a help than a hinderance. Think back to 2008 without Plaxico.
But to trade him now, is an additional 9M in dead money for the Giants....and DG should be fired if it happens....if there were future thoughts of trading him, they should have franchised him instead....which probably would have prevented us from signing free agents last season....
OBJ doesn't want to be here? Unless the o-line is fixed, Eli will have trouble getting him the ball. And if we draft a rookie it might be the more of the same for a year or two. just a thought...
OBJ doesn't want to be here? Unless the o-line is fixed, Eli will have trouble getting him the ball. And if we draft a rookie it might be the more of the same for a year or two. just a thought...
If he doesnt, then it's being handled the proper way considering he and the team have not said anything to this point, and the team has given no indication that they're looking for a deal that any reporter is putting their name behind.
in the draft for a guy like Haskins, that would be kind
of asinine. Haskins is simply not worth it IMO.