Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)
2/19/19, 6:30 AM
Starting today and until March 5, there could be at least 10 players receiving some form of a tag: DeMarcus Lawrence, Jadeveon Clowney, Dee Ford, Frank Clark, Gardy Jarrett, Landon Collins, Nick Foles, Le’Veon Bell, Donovan Smith, Robbie Gould and Stephen Gostkowski, per sources
Florio PFT: OBJ to 49ers trade remains a possibility
“The 49ers have had real interest in Beckham for nearly a year; the only question is whether the Giants are willing to pull the trigger. As reflected by last week’s bold offseason prediction from Jay Glazer, the Giants may indeed be ready to do so.
The 49ers hold the second and 36th overall picks in the 2019 draft; the No. 2 overall selection would seemingly be a high price to pay, possibly requiring the Giants to send maybe a third- or fourth-round pick back to the 49ers to balance it all out.
The Rams also had interest last year in trading for Beckham. They instead made a deal for Brandin Cooks. But if the Rams want to make a big splash in 2019, they could (in theory) dangle someone like receiver Robert Woods to the Giants as part of the package.
However it all plays out, Glazer didn’t throw out the notion of a Beckham trade recklessly. Beckham remains in play for a trade (no matter what the Giants officially say), and the 49ers remain on the short list of teams that could get him.”
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/18/obj-to-49ers-trade-remains-a-possibility/
I seriously doubt, but won't dismiss, the trade Beckham notion. If they trade pre-June 1st there is a $5 mill cap hit and $16 mill in dead money if I read OTC correctly. Trading him this year is basically out of the question unless they get a huge return to make up for the money loss. In other words, despite what Florio says, they would need to get at least the 2nd pick without any throw ins.(He said the Giants would need to add a 3rd and 4th pick to even up the trade - of course the Giants don't have a 3rd pick.)
Hard to imagine why the Giants wouldn’t tag LC, fair value for a fair player. And no other player needs the tag.
I seriously doubt, but won't dismiss, the trade Beckham notion. If they trade pre-June 1st there is a $5 mill cap hit and $16 mill in dead money if I read OTC correctly. Trading him this year is basically out of the question unless they get a huge return to make up for the money loss. In other words, despite what Florio says, they would need to get at least the 2nd pick without any throw ins.(He said the Giants would need to add a 3rd and 4th pick to even up the trade - of course the Giants don't have a 3rd pick.)
I agree. The 49rs would basically be getting him at a discount since the Giants are responsible for a large portion of that contract. They would have to give the 2.
Having to account for Barkley and OBJ, expecially if and when OLine overhaul is completed puts Giants in rare position within the league.
Forget that. Get the players this year. Huge year for dline and oline.
If we are eating dead money this year, we need to get something in return this year. I would take the first in 2020, but they would have to give us their 2nd round pick this year. If they need to have one of our garbage 4th round picks to "even" it out so be it. But we aren't going to eat dead money and get back a bag of chips. The 2020 first will serve as draft collateral to move up and get a QB.
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Get a first for 2020.
If we are eating dead money this year, we need to get something in return this year. I would take the first in 2020, but they would have to give us their 2nd round pick this year. If they need to have one of our garbage 4th round picks to "even" it out so be it. But we aren't going to eat dead money and get back a bag of chips. The 2020 first will serve as draft collateral to move up and get a QB.
The 2020 draft class is primarily why I suggested what I said. I get wanting a blue chip DL or Edge Rusher at 2, as section125 said. It’s very tempting.
Great stuff...
A lesson to others in how to conduct yourself as a face of the franchise. Don't hold court with Lil' Wayne after the owners just dumped a pile of cash on you.
Yea it isn’t like there’s a whole offseason and draft
Great stuff...
Lol. Here we thought Mara loved Manning, but I'm wondering if this is actually punishment.
Can he play LF?
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In comment 14299699 The_Boss said:
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Get a first for 2020.
If we are eating dead money this year, we need to get something in return this year. I would take the first in 2020, but they would have to give us their 2nd round pick this year. If they need to have one of our garbage 4th round picks to "even" it out so be it. But we aren't going to eat dead money and get back a bag of chips. The 2020 first will serve as draft collateral to move up and get a QB.
The 2020 draft class is primarily why I suggested what I said. I get wanting a blue chip DL or Edge Rusher at 2, as section125 said. It’s very tempting.
We don't have a clue as to what transpires in CFB this year for next year's class. What if Tua and Fromm get hurt or decide to stay in college? What if the 49ers end up 9-7 and the 20th pick? Both unlikely, but....
I understand the desire for a QB next year, but you take what you can this year as they will know what is definitely available. Maybe DG with 2 top 6 picks takes Haskins or Murray with one and the top line guy with the other (off or def)?
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and eating his dead money while keeping Eli around.
Great stuff...
A lesson to others in how to conduct yourself as a face of the franchise. Don't hold court with Lil' Wayne after the owners just dumped a pile of cash on you.
The lesson to others is we'll crush our own cap to get rid of you? The only person that feels the pain in that move is the Giants.
OBJ is a HOF level talent and the dead money hit would be crazy (as I understand it). The Giants must understand this, I can't see them actively trying to move him. But, remember, DG didn't rule it out completely. His quote was "we didn't sign him to trade him". He didn't say he wouldn't trade him.
I think OBJ's camp may be stirring the pot. Doesn't sound like OBJ wants to play here.
In comment 14299709 Jimmy Googs said:
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I agree. Not only do you then have to replace that talent, but you also take a huge cap hit and have less resources to do anything! I think it’s possible next year or year after. If Giants don’t get the QB this year, they may need to dangle OBJ next year to get the draft capital needed to move up, provided they improve.
I still wouldn't do it due to the cap hit, but that's the only reason I could see a trade being logical.
How are these two moves even seen in concert beyond the fact that they both play for the Giants?
Tagging LC requires zero thought, he’s certainly worth tag money and including available FAs he’s completely serviceable with plenty of upside should he return to form of three seasons ago.
Trading OBJ nets a 2 and maybe more which means the Giants would have a top QB and another top pick at 6.
Fortune favors the bold.
I don't understand the logic in trading OBJ at all, I don't even like him that much but I don't see a reason to trade him unless ownership just hates his guts
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I don't get trading Odell. It doesn't make sense on the field (he's a tremendous talent) or off the field (the $ hit we'll take).
not to mention that for all his quirks, he’s also a reason for fans to come to games and spend on merchandise
Barkley is the face of teh franchise now. Not OBJ, not ELI, Barkley and Barkley alone.
You crazy.
At some point you've got to stick with a direction. You determined Beckham was part of the future, keep building toward it.
Oh the trade rumors (#fakenews) would be daily.
haha -- now that funny -- I LoLed
It is a bad year for draft eligible WRs? No it is not.
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and eating his dead money while keeping Eli around.
Great stuff...
A lesson to others in how to conduct yourself as a face of the franchise. Don't hold court with Lil' Wayne after the owners just dumped a pile of cash on you.
The lesson to others is we'll crush our own cap to get rid of you? The only person that feels the pain in that move is the Giants.
People need to understand that $16M doesn't crush our own cap. We ate $15M of JPP's dead money to get a 3rd round pick back. If we were in the Alex Smith Dead Cap neighborhood, then yes, that crushes the cap. $16M? Not so much.
If the Pats were actually interested in 'aggressively pursuing him', and they resigned him (just after a serious injury) only to pull the plug a year later and eat a huge cap hit rather than take that offer, he's even worse than his critics have claimed thus far.
That's a big if though.
This. That's an amazing get for him. I know he's a fantastic talent but 2 overall when we have the 6 pick as well is crazy.
In comment 14299774 bradshaw44 said:
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How do you not do it?
This. That's an amazing get for him. I know he's a fantastic talent but 2 overall when we have the 6 pick as well is crazy.
No Top 10 talents at WR but very very deep class especially with all the underclassmen declaring
Yawn, not happening regardless
If the Pats were actually interested in 'aggressively pursuing him', and they resigned him (just after a serious injury) only to pull the plug a year later and eat a huge cap hit rather than take that offer, he's even worse than his critics have claimed thus far.
That's a big if though.
I agree in part, but you don't know what's happened since, so its a bit unfair to claim anything about the situation in absolutes. If he wanted Beckham here longterm (which he did since we signed him) but something unforeseen happened that seems irreparable, should he not look for other options?
Yawn, not happening regardless
No chance. I'd say there's no way we'd get 2 unless our 2nd rounder was coming back and even then I don't buy it.
I'm guessing the 36+ future picks would be the package if this indeed happens.
If the Pats were actually interested in 'aggressively pursuing him', and they resigned him (just after a serious injury) only to pull the plug a year later and eat a huge cap hit rather than take that offer, he's even worse than his critics have claimed thus far.
That's a big if though.
You are forgetting a huge piece. If NE offered a late first and SF is offering the number 2 pick then that is a huge difference. You take the cap hit if it gets you a much better pick/player. You can turn that second pick into many firsts so, yeah, there is a huge piece of the equation you left out.
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How do you not do it?
This. That's an amazing get for him. I know he's a fantastic talent but 2 overall when we have the 6 pick as well is crazy.
hard to imagine the Giants not jumping on it if SF offered 2 and 36.