Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)
2/19/19, 6:30 AM
Starting today and until March 5, there could be at least 10 players receiving some form of a tag: DeMarcus Lawrence, Jadeveon Clowney, Dee Ford, Frank Clark, Gardy Jarrett, Landon Collins, Nick Foles, Le’Veon Bell, Donovan Smith, Robbie Gould and Stephen Gostkowski, per sources
Florio PFT: OBJ to 49ers trade remains a possibility
“The 49ers have had real interest in Beckham for nearly a year; the only question is whether the Giants are willing to pull the trigger. As reflected by last week’s bold offseason prediction from Jay Glazer, the Giants may indeed be ready to do so.
The 49ers hold the second and 36th overall picks in the 2019 draft; the No. 2 overall selection would seemingly be a high price to pay, possibly requiring the Giants to send maybe a third- or fourth-round pick back to the 49ers to balance it all out.
The Rams also had interest last year in trading for Beckham. They instead made a deal for Brandin Cooks. But if the Rams want to make a big splash in 2019, they could (in theory) dangle someone like receiver Robert Woods to the Giants as part of the package.
However it all plays out, Glazer didn’t throw out the notion of a Beckham trade recklessly. Beckham remains in play for a trade (no matter what the Giants officially say), and the 49ers remain on the short list of teams that could get him.”
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/18/obj-to-49ers-trade-remains-a-possibility/ 
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In comment 14299705 Ron Johnson said:
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How do you not do it?
This. That's an amazing get for him. I know he's a fantastic talent but 2 overall when we have the 6 pick as well is crazy.
While I agree with not getting a player as talented as OBJ, if we got two players that were worth their draft positions on both sides of the ball and they solidify important units on their respective sides for a decade I think it is worth it.
The question revolves around whether 5 mil in space and the trade haul is worth it. IF some team is willing to back up the draft pick dump truck with a crazy offer, it may well be worth it.
The rumors keep surfacing. Maybe in the not likely to happen category, but methinks it's not complete BS that the Giants are willing to listen if the phone rings, either.
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In comment 14299709 Jimmy Googs said:
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and eating his dead money while keeping Eli around.
Great stuff...
A lesson to others in how to conduct yourself as a face of the franchise. Don't hold court with Lil' Wayne after the owners just dumped a pile of cash on you.
The lesson to others is we'll crush our own cap to get rid of you? The only person that feels the pain in that move is the Giants.
People need to understand that $16M doesn't crush our own cap. We ate $15M of JPP's dead money to get a 3rd round pick back. If we were in the Alex Smith Dead Cap neighborhood, then yes, that crushes the cap. $16M? Not so much.
That's $15m worth of dead money you can't use to make the team better, is the point.
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There's about a 99% chance with either the 2nd or 36th pick you won't pick a player near as good as OBJ....sorry
In comment 14299774 bradshaw44 said:
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In comment 14299705 Ron Johnson said:
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How do you not do it?
This. That's an amazing get for him. I know he's a fantastic talent but 2 overall when we have the 6 pick as well is crazy.
While I agree with not getting a player as talented as OBJ, if we got two players that were worth their draft positions on both sides of the ball and they solidify important units on their respective sides for a decade I think it is worth it.
😂😂😂😂😂 you guys are hilarious
Draft picks are like cocaine to a fanbase.
I think he still can but wouldn't be worth it to Pittsburgh to go through this whole ordeal again. Who knows though, that team is in a really weird spot right now so I wouldn't put anything past them.
While that might be true you have to factor in cost and whether the relationship is damaged (otherwise why would we be shopping him?).
If none of that mattered I'd agree, but something is up and if he's pulled a non-public Antonio Brown, than his skill level doesn't matter to us anymore. Not saying this is the case at all, but it changes his value if true.
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namely, he doesn't understand how to set a course for a team.
If the Pats were actually interested in 'aggressively pursuing him', and they resigned him (just after a serious injury) only to pull the plug a year later and eat a huge cap hit rather than take that offer, he's even worse than his critics have claimed thus far.
That's a big if though.
You are forgetting a huge piece. If NE offered a late first and SF is offering the number 2 pick then that is a huge difference. You take the cap hit if it gets you a much better pick/player. You can turn that second pick into many firsts so, yeah, there is a huge piece of the equation you left out.
Yes - a year later, for the cost of $15m in dead cap and with the possibility that Beckham returned less than his usual self from that injury. I considered it, just didn't think it was anywhere near enough value to make this stupid idea any less stupid.
Then again, this is the GM who threw starter money at Omameh and cut him before the season was out.
Same stuff was going on with LC - on the block last year for a 2 but now seen as a franchise player looking to sign longterm?
The front office is operating strangely here. Either these guys are core players & part of the solution moving forward or they're not. You don't trade young core players.
Something tells me the Maras don’t like handing out millions of dollars to a player to have him publicly question the team and playing for the organization a month later.
We’ll see what happens.
Same stuff was going on with LC - on the block last year for a 2 but now seen as a franchise player looking to sign longterm?
The front office is operating strangely here. Either these guys are core players & part of the solution moving forward or they're not. You don't trade young core players.
If anybody is Jeckyl/Hyde, it's Beckham. Played the great teammate all offseason and stayed out of trouble and out of the limelight, then a month after getting paid is sitting there shitting on the team with Little Wayne on ESPN saying he wished he could play in LA.
I'm not for or against trading Beckham, necessarily. Would love to have his talent but could see it if they wanted to turn a single player into multiple resources.
Beckham is better, younger and less crazy.
If GM is competent, he made the decision that he is stuck with OBJ unless offered the world in exchange, or OBJ was making a zero or negative contribution to the team.
If this speculation is serious (probably just writers trying to justify another payday) then it is the GM we should be looking to cut ties with.
I've said it before and I'll say again: tons of investment at the skill positions for mediocre offensive results. Start clearing people out and investing elsewhere. The 2nd pick in the draft is a great place to start.
There are other WRs in the collegiate and nfl world.
I love Beckham but the giants have bigger needs across the roster that won’t go anytime soon. The giants have a decent pass catchers even without Beckham on the team and they can add to that group via the draft and FA. Engram and Shepard is a start.
I’d consider it for the right price.
At some point you've got to stick with a direction. You determined Beckham was part of the future, keep building toward it.
What does this even mean? So if they sign Beckham rather than let him walk for nothing and then trade him for chips one year later that’s worse than letting him go for a 3rd comp pick? What if they got a first in the trade?
Oh, you’re obsessing over dead money. Who cares.
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Sure. That sounds like a good plan.
There are other WRs in the collegiate and nfl world.
I love Beckham but the giants have bigger needs across the roster that won’t go anytime soon. The giants have a decent pass catchers even without Beckham on the team and they can add to that group via the draft and FA. Engram and Shepard is a start.
I’d consider it for the right price.
Yup. The offense performed well without him - with the exception of the Titans game - in the final four games of the season.
Yes, It's probably a screw up to have signed him to a long-term deal instead of trading him last season, but at least this signals to me that DG isn't wasting time to realize his mistakes and reverse course. Obviously, if he's doing these types of moves every year, however. he's got to go.
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I don't get trading Odell. It doesn't make sense on the field (he's a tremendous talent) or off the field (the $ hit we'll take).
not to mention that for all his quirks, he’s also a reason for fans to come to games and spend on merchandise
Prioritizing what the fans want is a main reasons the Giants are in the mess they are in.
Building a long-term successful team sometimes involves alienating the fans. But no matter how many fans you lose in the short-term, they'll jump back on board when you have a winning team again (see: process-era 76ers).
[quote] think there's a chance this could be purely football related and they don't think he's got quite the same explosion in combination with going Hollywood. He didn't *appear* to have that extra gear last year. [/quote
How about giving him a competent receiver opposite of him. Our passing offense almost goes exclusively through him. He's not going to look explosive when he gets triple covered and has no where to go when he gets the ball.
Should really read Saquon is a freak of nature, and made things happen on his own, while we had virtually no passing game, and still managed to lose games because Saquon can't carry the entire offense.
That's extrapolating a lot from what I said. Obviously, OBJ brings a lot of value to an offense, but I'm not buying the "sky is falling" scenarios if he departs. Passing games tend to more fluid and adaptable than they appear.
Obviously, if they can't get good assets from OBJ is a trade, they should keep him.
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So if we cannot trade him, we should just cut him since we play better anyway...
Should really read Saquon is a freak of nature, and made things happen on his own, while we had virtually no passing game, and still managed to lose games because Saquon can't carry the entire offense.
The passing game was pretty effective against the Skins, Colts, and Cowboys without OBJ, and I'm firmly in the "move on from Eli" camp.
Saquon is an immense talent, but if the goal is to build around him this should have started last year, not in his second season.
In comment 14299774 bradshaw44 said:
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How do you not do it?
This. That's an amazing get for him. I know he's a fantastic talent but 2 overall when we have the 6 pick as well is crazy.
I would agree pre-injury. He didn't look like the same player to me last year, he didn't have that extra gear he had pre-injury. I'm happy to have him stick around, but I would do it for a 2 and 36.
But this is all BS anyway, I don't see this happening.
I'm confident we'll be picking around the same area in 2020 as we are now.
Saquon is an immense talent, but if the goal is to build around him this should have started last year, not in his second season.
The problem here is order of operations - Eli's due a roster bonus before the draft. This decision would have to be made now, and executed before the draft.
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We will very likely end up in a place next year where we have to move him in order to move up. It'll be QB hell inside 2 years if we don't draft one this year or next and this team will be in the late teens next year.
I'm confident we'll be picking around the same area in 2020 as we are now.
Always the eternal optimist GT... lol
Patriots receivers the last 2 seasons: Edelman, Hogan, Dorsett, Gordon (for 1/2 a season)
Rams: Brooks, Cooks, J. Reynolds
Eagles: Jeffery, Agholor, Matthews
I mean looking at the Super Bowl matchups the past 10 years - I'll give you the 2017 Falcons as the only team with a generational talent at WR. The rest of them had guys that had good years, but certainly not superstars.
Dealing OBJ is probably the right move if you can get a good enough offer. And good enough is probably less than folks on here assume.
Dealing OBJ is probably the right move if you can get a good enough offer. And good enough is probably less than folks on here assume.
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all this OBJ trade talk. DG has publicly stated he didn't sign OBJ to a long term deal to turnaround and trade him. But the noise keeps popping up. Is it just noise being created by writers who have nothing new to report because of the time of year (so they are over speculating to generate news), or is there something to it?
Other than speculation, I haven't read anything where a writer has stated any evidence or quoted any sources that say the Giants are actively shopping OBJ.
Exactly, pure speculation and noise. Nothing more. Makes no sense to move OBJ
And what was that line?
You add OBJ to your title or the body of your article it's going to show up higher in the feeds and clicks.
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was VERY close to being a 49er last year. Giants drew a line in the sand & if the 49er's crossed it, Odell was gone.
And what was that line?
Line was not privy to me, i simply was told Giants & 49ers were having heavy discussions, it was very close to happening but the Giants (rightfully) wanted too much.
Now this contract, i cannot see him being dealt. I haven't heard anything.
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was VERY close to being a 49er last year. Giants drew a line in the sand & if the 49er's crossed it, Odell was gone.
And you know this how, exactly?
This question always gets asked, and i understand why. I'm not saying anymore on it. Believe or don't believe it. Either way its in the past. I'm not saying anything else on the topic.
This. He's a top 3 player at a premium position in the prime of his career. They aren't easy to find. If you are even open to dealing him you better have your reasons and if you do deal him, it better be for value. If the Niners are that team, you should be hanging up the phone on them if doesn't revolve around the 2nd pick.