Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)
2/19/19, 6:30 AM
Starting today and until March 5, there could be at least 10 players receiving some form of a tag: DeMarcus Lawrence, Jadeveon Clowney, Dee Ford, Frank Clark, Gardy Jarrett, Landon Collins, Nick Foles, Le’Veon Bell, Donovan Smith, Robbie Gould and Stephen Gostkowski, per sources
Florio PFT: OBJ to 49ers trade remains a possibility
“The 49ers have had real interest in Beckham for nearly a year; the only question is whether the Giants are willing to pull the trigger. As reflected by last week’s bold offseason prediction from Jay Glazer, the Giants may indeed be ready to do so.
The 49ers hold the second and 36th overall picks in the 2019 draft; the No. 2 overall selection would seemingly be a high price to pay, possibly requiring the Giants to send maybe a third- or fourth-round pick back to the 49ers to balance it all out.
The Rams also had interest last year in trading for Beckham. They instead made a deal for Brandin Cooks. But if the Rams want to make a big splash in 2019, they could (in theory) dangle someone like receiver Robert Woods to the Giants as part of the package.
However it all plays out, Glazer didn’t throw out the notion of a Beckham trade recklessly. Beckham remains in play for a trade (no matter what the Giants officially say), and the 49ers remain on the short list of teams that could get him.”
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/18/obj-to-49ers-trade-remains-a-possibility/ 
We have done a horrible job over the years protecting our investments. I have said this before but it should be repeated. If Eli was the strength of our team in 2008 and on then we shouldn't have had the mentality that Eli will make our OL look better than they are. It should be the opposite. It should have been Eli is so important to the success of this team that we need to address the OL to protect him.
Fast forward to Beckham. He has been our offense since he stepped foot on the field. What have we done to help him out? Not much.
Now, Gettleman takes over and gets Barkley. He helps take a lot of the pressure off Beckham and makes our offense more balanced. We still have work to do obviously. Our OL still needs to be addressed. But this is the first time since our defense a few years ago that we had something to hang our hat on.
Gettting rid of Beckham is the opposite of protecting your investment. It is going back to that mentality that Barkley is good enough to make up for lesser weapons around him. It isn't what should be done. It should be how can we make Barkley the best back to ever play this game?
I understand we had some great offensive outputs without Beckham this year but those are small sample sizes.
Lets look at KC. KC is loaded with talent and Mahomes was part of that. Because of their talent almost every team played off coverage and zone as to not let KC burn them deep. What happened was Mahomes was still so goo and Hill was still so fast they still made plays downfield. Most teams wouldn't dare load up the box, play press coverage, and leave their DBs one on one with all that talent on O. Well, nobody by Belichick. Bekichick said if we are going to give up big plays it is going to be because they earned it. He blitzed Mahomes while leaving his secondary vulnerable. He put the onus on Mahomes to be accurate and it worked. Most young QBs are going to struggle with making quick decisions and accurate passes while staring down a pass rush.
Now relate that to any QB we bring in. If you get rid of Beckham teams are just going to stack the box to stop Barkley and blitz the shit out of our QB. Are you putting that QB in a great position to succeed? Are you putting Barkley in a position to succeed? The answer is no.
I did say that this is just on the field and more goes into it than that but from an on the field perspective it doesn't make sense to me. I am not factoring in other things for this post and I am not saying if the right offer came along that I wouldn't take it.
We have done a horrible job over the years protecting our investments. I have said this before but it should be repeated. If Eli was the strength of our team in 2008 and on then we shouldn't have had the mentality that Eli will make our OL look better than they are. It should be the opposite. It should have been Eli is so important to the success of this team that we need to address the OL to protect him.
Fast forward to Beckham. He has been our offense since he stepped foot on the field. What have we done to help him out? Not much.
Now, Gettleman takes over and gets Barkley. He helps take a lot of the pressure off Beckham and makes our offense more balanced. We still have work to do obviously. Our OL still needs to be addressed. But this is the first time since our defense a few years ago that we had something to hang our hat on.
Gettting rid of Beckham is the opposite of protecting your investment. It is going back to that mentality that Barkley is good enough to make up for lesser weapons around him. It isn't what should be done. It should be how can we make Barkley the best back to ever play this game?
I understand we had some great offensive outputs without Beckham this year but those are small sample sizes.
Lets look at KC. KC is loaded with talent and Mahomes was part of that. Because of their talent almost every team played off coverage and zone as to not let KC burn them deep. What happened was Mahomes was still so goo and Hill was still so fast they still made plays downfield. Most teams wouldn't dare load up the box, play press coverage, and leave their DBs one on one with all that talent on O. Well, nobody by Belichick. Bekichick said if we are going to give up big plays it is going to be because they earned it. He blitzed Mahomes while leaving his secondary vulnerable. He put the onus on Mahomes to be accurate and it worked. Most young QBs are going to struggle with making quick decisions and accurate passes while staring down a pass rush.
Now relate that to any QB we bring in. If you get rid of Beckham teams are just going to stack the box to stop Barkley and blitz the shit out of our QB. Are you putting that QB in a great position to succeed? Are you putting Barkley in a position to succeed? The answer is no.
I did say that this is just on the field and more goes into it than that but from an on the field perspective it doesn't make sense to me. I am not factoring in other things for this post and I am not saying if the right offer came along that I wouldn't take it.
Just once, i'd like to see the QB and weapons on this team with steady line play for a year. It would suck to trade him only to shortly figure out the rest of our line thereafter.
2 DE/LB Josh Allen
6 QB Dwayne Haskins
36 OG Chris Lindstrom
37 WR N'Keal Harry
and significantly increased cap room.
You are right the following year though. The only way I see the Giants doing this is if they are concerned Beckham is injury prone, or if he is somehow a problem in the locker room. The cap hit alone would suggest that they don’t think we can seriously compete next year and would be gearing up for some big FA moves the following year
Also, Glazer made it a BOLD prediction. By definition, it's a prediction that could happen, probably won't, and exists only to make the "expert" look smart if it actually does.
That's a huge thing to consider
No guarantees of course, but there is a long history of this happening.
Not necessarily, OBJ is much younger and locked in with relatively guaranteed salaries. AB is looking for new money along with being older and a headcase.
2 DE/LB Josh Allen
6 QB Dwayne Haskins
36 OG Chris Lindstrom
37 WR N'Keal Harry
and significantly increased cap room.
I could almost sign up for that. Allen is may fav player in the draft, Haskins is my fav QB in the draft, Lindstrom and Harry are day 1 starters IMO.
OBJ didn't make big deep plays last year at all. But as noted above, he was the only threat we had at WR. He looked "good" to me most weeks, efficient and such.
If San Francisco is willing to give up their #2 straight up for him, I say make the trade. Who is to say some team doesn't call the Giants to trade down so they can get Murray or Haskins? We may want the extra picks?
Bottom line: if you trade OBJ we are truly in rebuilding mode. Why would Eli want to come back if he knows its over before it ever started?
If trading OBJ forces Eli to re-think things and retire, well maybe that works to the Giants long-term benefit? I'm just not sure.
OBJ for the #2 and #36 pick is a pipe dream, but if it were to happen we'd be able to land either Bosa or Big Q at #2 (clearly the 2 best players in the draft) and still have #6, #36, and #37. Honestly at that point I would probably trade down from #6 (maybe to #13 to Dolphins looking for QB) and get capital for next year to go after one of the 2020 QBs. Then with #13, #36, and #37 we could really build in the trenches, get 2 great OL and become a run-first team with Barkley, and otherwise get another great playmaker (whether it's WR to replace OBJ or an LB or DB on defense). This could also allow us to move on from Vernon and really free up cap space. I'd probably still want Eli on the team until end of 2020, but we could really set up a nice situation for whichever star (likely NFL-ready) 2020 QB we land to come in and have immediate success.
OBJ didn't make big deep plays last year at all. But as noted above, he was the only threat we had at WR. He looked "good" to me most weeks, efficient and such.
If San Francisco is willing to give up their #2 straight up for him, I say make the trade. Who is to say some team doesn't call the Giants to trade down so they can get Murray or Haskins? We may want the extra picks?
Bottom line: if you trade OBJ we are truly in rebuilding mode. Why would Eli want to come back if he knows its over before it ever started?
If trading OBJ forces Eli to re-think things and retire, well maybe that works to the Giants long-term benefit? I'm just not sure.
I can give you 23 million reasons why Eli Manning would not retire.
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If you trade OBJ now you are telling the team and fans that you are in a rebuilding mode now. You are telling Eli that you will likely have another really rough year.
OBJ didn't make big deep plays last year at all. But as noted above, he was the only threat we had at WR. He looked "good" to me most weeks, efficient and such.
If San Francisco is willing to give up their #2 straight up for him, I say make the trade. Who is to say some team doesn't call the Giants to trade down so they can get Murray or Haskins? We may want the extra picks?
Bottom line: if you trade OBJ we are truly in rebuilding mode. Why would Eli want to come back if he knows its over before it ever started?
If trading OBJ forces Eli to re-think things and retire, well maybe that works to the Giants long-term benefit? I'm just not sure.
I can give you 23 million reasons why Eli Manning would not retire.
Go ahead. His yearly cash earnings for 2019 will be $17M. He has already earned the signing bonus years ago. He could still retire after 3/17 with $12M blowing in the wind.
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but I would probably trade him to walk out of day 2 with:
2 DE/LB Josh Allen
6 QB Dwayne Haskins
36 OG Chris Lindstrom
37 WR N'Keal Harry
and significantly increased cap room.
I could almost sign up for that. Allen is may fav player in the draft, Haskins is my fav QB in the draft, Lindstrom and Harry are day 1 starters IMO.
I love Allen but I still feel Bosa and Quinnen Williams are the top 2 players in this draft regardless of position. If the Cards don't take Bosa then we're taking Bosa. If they do take Bosa, imagine having a d-line of Hill, Tomlinson, and Williams for years to come. In a 3-4 if you control the LOS with your down 3 you can make pretty much turn any set of LBs into all-stars.
Yup. Trade OBJ to get the #2 pick and draft a WR that you hope will be as good as OBJ.
Giants get #2, #36 & #67.
49ers get #6 and OBJ.
Not sure that is interesting enough for my blood but I imagine it's come up in negotiations (the switching of 1st round picks).
It doesn't have to be a 2019 pick though.
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When people are like “we’d get the #2 pick in the draft, etc.”. There are plenty of busts taken that high in the draft. Imagine us trading away OBJ and not only taking the huge cap hit next year but also ending up with some horrible bust at 2. That would screw us for years.
Yup. Trade OBJ to get the #2 pick and draft a WR that you hope will be as good as OBJ.
Trading a well known great player for a totally unknown question mark player
MAKES TOTAL SENSE
OFF SEASON CHAMPS MAKING SEXY OFF SEASON CHAMP MOVES!!!
#2 overall seems nice now until you draft a guy who turns into william joseph lol
picks are a crapshoot and its nice to have the capital, its much nicer to have one of the best WRs in the game. MINIMUM to start the talk for me is #2 #34
for the cardinals its rosen, #33, #65
OBJ is a GENERATIONAL talent. chances are nobody in this draft will be the level of player he is.
fans are obsessed with draft picks like they are gold. amari fucking cooper got a first rounder, im taking 2 at least for OBJ or im not doing it. idgaf if its #2 overall. OBJ is proven in the NFL.
Giants get #2, #36 & #67.
49ers get #6 and OBJ.
Not sure that is interesting enough for my blood but I imagine it's come up in negotiations (the switching of 1st round picks).
horrible deal. a 2 and 3 and move up 4 spots?!?! nah im good
Giants get #2, #36 & #67.
49ers get #6 and OBJ.
Not sure that is interesting enough for my blood but I imagine it's come up in negotiations (the switching of 1st round picks).
The great unknown!!!!
Dealing OBJ is probably the right move if you can get a good enough offer. And good enough is probably less than folks on here assume.
I understand the feelings about not trading OBJ but is it realistic for team with such major needs like the Giants who have basically been a bottom feeder for the last few years to carry a player who takes up so much financial space, IMO we don't need to afford a player like OBJ..
#2 overall seems nice now until you draft a guy who turns into william joseph lol
picks are a crapshoot and its nice to have the capital, its much nicer to have one of the best WRs in the game. MINIMUM to start the talk for me is #2 #34
for the cardinals its rosen, #33, #65
OBJ is a GENERATIONAL talent. chances are nobody in this draft will be the level of player he is.
fans are obsessed with draft picks like they are gold. amari fucking cooper got a first rounder, im taking 2 at least for OBJ or im not doing it. idgaf if its #2 overall. OBJ is proven in the NFL.
+1.
They have nothing new and nothing else to cover, so may as well spend another offseason trying to manufacture an OBJ trade.
Giants get #2, #36 & #67.
49ers get #6 and OBJ.
Not sure that is interesting enough for my blood but I imagine it's come up in negotiations (the switching of 1st round picks).
Throw in Pettis, who I really like, or Goodwin and my interest grows...
OBJ has us over a barrel right now.
I am not against a block-buster deal involving him, but just don't recall too many wins this team has had since 2014 where this guy wasn't a major factor in the outcome.
Unfortunately, I don't recall too many wins since 2014 altogether...
Also, Glazer made it a BOLD prediction. By definition, it's a prediction that could happen, probably won't, and exists only to make the "expert" look smart if it actually does.
Exactly. It's funny (really sad, actually) how this has spawned so many comments from professionals who ignore the context in which the prediction was made.
Realistically the Giants are in the midst of retooling over the next couple of seasons. We will be transitioning from Eli Manning, likely shedding some of our bigger contracts. Gettleman will continue to bring in his guys and the defence will likely get an infusion of talent.
Hypotherically, what would an offence without Beckham look like?
Our offence was effective late last year while Beckham was out. Shurmur did spread the ball around quite a lot instead of targeting OBJ heavily.
Without OBJ, our offence would likely be built around Saquon Barkley. I could easily see a lot of two TE sets.
The Giants have had trouble getting the ball into the endzon in the green zone. I do think the Giants would like to add a big physical WR who can do the physical target we haven't had since Plaxico. I could see a guy like Devin Funchess as a free agent or Hakeem Butler in perhaps round 3 of the draft or maybe even Jalen Hurd on day 3.
OBJ is certainly a great talent and a genuine weapon. I also think the offence could be ok if he moved on, though it will be different
What a waste of time.
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They need their QB and need to rebuild in the trenches. The offense runs through Saquon. I don't get the idea OBJ is 100% in with Shurmur. I could be wrong, but that's my impression.
Dealing OBJ is probably the right move if you can get a good enough offer. And good enough is probably less than folks on here assume.
I understand the feelings about not trading OBJ but is it realistic for team with such major needs like the Giants who have basically been a bottom feeder for the last few years to carry a player who takes up so much financial space, IMO we don't need to afford a player like OBJ..
He is a vital piece to the offense. As somebody mentioned, Barkley is focal point but would be less effective if OBJ is not here. Trading him for picks sounds great but if we draft a QB if the future I would think Odell would be more if a help than a hinderance. Think back to 2008 without Plaxico.
But to trade him now, is an additional 9M in dead money for the Giants....and DG should be fired if it happens....if there were future thoughts of trading him, they should have franchised him instead....which probably would have prevented us from signing free agents last season....
OBJ doesn't want to be here? Unless the o-line is fixed, Eli will have trouble getting him the ball. And if we draft a rookie it might be the more of the same for a year or two. just a thought...
OBJ doesn't want to be here? Unless the o-line is fixed, Eli will have trouble getting him the ball. And if we draft a rookie it might be the more of the same for a year or two. just a thought...
If he doesnt, then it's being handled the proper way considering he and the team have not said anything to this point, and the team has given no indication that they're looking for a deal that any reporter is putting their name behind.
in the draft for a guy like Haskins, that would be kind
of asinine. Haskins is simply not worth it IMO.