Louisville article on Jamon Brown, good works and FA status

He’s a stop gap at best and replaceable.

In comment 14299696 BillT said:

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He’s a stop gap at best and replaceable.

I think he is #3 of the 3 oline pieces that needs upgrade. He did miss a few blocks per game. He would be a VG backup.
RT, C, RG - in that order.

In comment 14299696 BillT said:

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He’s a stop gap at best and replaceable.

Even if this is true does it matter? We need players. We have more holes than draft picks. Not only having draft picks but hitting on all of them is not enough for where we are at. What is wrong with bring in stop gaps to buy us more time? FA is one avenue to get talent. The key is to get bargains where possible. He should be a bargain.

In comment 14299702 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14299696 BillT said: Quote: He’s a stop gap at best and replaceable. Even if this is true does it matter? We need players. We have more holes than draft picks. Not only having draft picks but hitting on all of them is not enough for where we are at. What is wrong with bring in stop gaps to buy us more time? FA is one avenue to get talent. The key is to get bargains where possible. He should be a bargain.

The advantage is that Jamon has already been in the system. He doesn't have to get his feet wet entering a new facility with a new playbook. If Jamon is the weakest link on our OL, we will be fine.

There are so many holes on this ball club....and you can't fix them all....so some of those holes will have to be filled with less than stellar players.....that's what the cap makes you do...

It would be great if we could fix the OL.....we need 3 guys....but chances are, we can't really get 3.....we may be stuck with Halapio.....RT is the main concern of this OL....as far as Brown goes, he is average at best, and you only make an average offer.....We have to stop overpaying.......It's one thing to overpay for someone, out of desperation.....but then when they don't produce, it makes the situation twice as bad....

In comment 14299701 section125 said:

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In comment 14299696 BillT said: Quote: He’s a stop gap at best and replaceable. I think he is #3 of the 3 oline pieces that needs upgrade. He did miss a few blocks per game. He would be a VG backup. RT, C, RG - in that order.

Agreed. RT and C are more pressing. If you get “good” play from LT, LG, C, and RT, you can afford to have Brown be the weak link on the line until you find a better option in subsequent offseasons.

In comment 14299702 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14299696 BillT said: Quote: He’s a stop gap at best and replaceable. Even if this is true does it matter? We need players. We have more holes than draft picks. Not only having draft picks but hitting on all of them is not enough for where we are at. What is wrong with bring in stop gaps to buy us more time? FA is one avenue to get talent. The key is to get bargains where possible. He should be a bargain.

Why a bargain?

If I'm his agent I start with the Omameh contract and work up from there.

He was an upgrade over everything else we tried there the last few years. He is not going to stop us from drafting an interior lineman but maybe if you pencil in him and Halipio then draft a guy with the flexability to play C or G and let the rookie push both.

something to consider when looking at how he played here is that the 2 spots next to him were dreadfull.

Sign a top RT. bring him and pio back and draft C/G high and an extra Tackle later

In comment 14299721 The_Boss said:

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In comment 14299701 section125 said: Quote: In comment 14299696 BillT said: Quote: He’s a stop gap at best and replaceable. I think he is #3 of the 3 oline pieces that needs upgrade. He did miss a few blocks per game. He would be a VG backup. RT, C, RG - in that order. Agreed. RT and C are more pressing. If you get “good” play from LT, LG, C, and RT, you can afford to have Brown be the weak link on the line until you find a better option in subsequent offseasons.

Also agree. You need role players, mid tier guys. It's unrealistic to think that you are going to upgrade every position to a top tier guy. You can do much worse than Jamon Brown on the line (and we HAVE - for a long time now). Plus he'll look better with better talent around him at C and RT. I'm not saying he can't be upgraded... every spot can be upgraded. But he is far from a pressing to to be upgraded.... other spots WAY ahead of RG and Jamon Brown.

not only do we have more holes than draft picks, we don't have a lot of money to work with in FA to sign even mid-level guys w/o cutting some of the money at the top.
This is going to be an interesting offseason - or not - depending on who they decide to cut.

Whichever one comes cheaper.

...sometimes a stopgap is what you go with.

Giants need to upgrade at center and right tackle, and I believe they will this season.

I think the OL is going to start turning into a strength with this regime.

He seems to be a high character team first player. He actually played pretty well last year and I believe he got hurt toward the end and his play dipped a little.

We could do much worse at RG so if the price is not crazy I would like to see him brought back for a 3 year $12 M type deal. Halapio will be signed for 1 year and they can still afford to sign James from Miami or Williams from Carolina.

Going into the draft with a solid OL is where we want to be. Our early picks should be QB, DL, ER, FS and using our other 4th round and early 5th round picks to bolster the O Line depth.

There's no instant bargain expected, the Omameh deal is there as a starting point. BillT is also correct, for perspective.

but RG is harder to find than C.

There should be some quality OL available in FA. Losing Brown isn’t a big deal if they land one of the other guys.

or any position for that matter is always more impressive than players that actually become available.

are the biggest needs on the OL right now. If we can fix those positions, and he is considered the weak link of the line next year (starting at RG), then that's not too bad. At a minimum he should have another year to improve his performance and have a shot to be a longer term solution. If it doesn't work out, then next year the team should entertain finding his replacement.

I do like how he opens lanes for Barkley.

to lousy players. I think he is a solid player. As many have said you cant have pro bowl players at every position.

how much money has DG allocated for the OL....

If Brown's agent is looking for big bucks, than we are looking for a RG....

I am not so sure all those early picks will be on defense...

And I don't think a QB will be our first pick....

even while recognizing that Brown is better at RG than Wheeler is at RT. I just think that the emphasis and watchwords next year is going to be inside pass rush. Plus, I think Eli can step up more easily than move laterally.

In comment 14300005 Bill L said:

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even while recognizing that Brown is better at RG than Wheeler is at RT. I just think that the emphasis and watchwords next year is going to be inside pass rush. Plus, I think Eli can step up more easily than move laterally.

That's a good point Bill.

In comment 14299713 Doomster said:

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There are so many holes on this ball club....and you can't fix them all....so some of those holes will have to be filled with less than stellar players.....that's what the cap makes you do... It would be great if we could fix the OL.....we need 3 guys....but chances are, we can't really get 3.....we may be stuck with Halapio.....RT is the main concern of this OL....as far as Brown goes, he is average at best, and you only make an average offer.....We have to stop overpaying.......It's one thing to overpay for someone, out of desperation.....but then when they don't produce, it makes the situation twice as bad....

Well summarized, agree RT is the key. Can’t keep getting beat on the edges.

Aaron Donald clones will be

if the tackle next to him wasn't getting thrown back 6 yards on every play. It's easier to guard space when there is another person on your flank that you can trust. Same goes , to a lesser degree with center. If he is the weak link on your line, you would be a whole lot better.

He isn't an all-pro by any means but you don't need 5 all-pros up front to contend. You need players who work well as a cohesive unit and Brown played a positive role in the offense's improvement at the end of last season.

I personally believe we should sign a free agent Center (Matt Paradis or Mitch Morse) this year and draft the best OT available at #37 (assuming we don't go OT at #6). This draft is fairly deep at OT and if we hit on a solid starter at #37, an o-line of Solder - Hernandez - Paradis - Brown - "Pick #37" could absolutely be a playoff-caliber o-line. Not saying we're Super Bowl -bound, I'm just saying we could be playing meaningful football games in December and that's really all you can ask for.

In 2020, either Eli will be gone thanks to drafting Haskins in 2019, or Vernon will be gone thanks to drafting a blue chip edge rusher in 2019, but either way we will THEN have the cap $ to find an upgrade at RG. At that point, again hoping they make the right picks in the draft and FA, I could see the Giants having a top-tier OL to support Barkley and whoever our new QB is. But for now Jamon Brown is far from our biggest problem. Trust me, we can compete with Jamon Brown if we fix our other glaring holes.

In comment 14300066 Bill L said:

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Aaron Donald clones will be

There aren't exactly Aaron Donald clones just laying around everywhere. As long as the game is going the direction it is going, the fad will always be pass rushers. You can put an edge-rusher inside on passing downs and get the same effect (it's how the Giants and Eagles beat the Pats in the super bowls and it's how the Pats beat the Rams a couple weeks ago). The Rams have the luxury of Donald who is a guy who is a pure DT who can stop the run AND rush the passer up the middle with speed and quickness, but guys like that are and will always be rare. Get a hefty run-stopping DT for 1st and 2nd down and multiple good edge-rushers who can get pressure from anywhere on the DL on passing downs and you basically have what you need, but getting a guy like Donald who serves both purposes will always be tough to find.

of the fact that I just mentioned it's how the Pats beat the Rams in the same sentence as saying the Rams have the ideal situation, but the Pats were prepared to double Donald on every play and Suh's fat lazy a** couldn't get pressure up the middle so the Rams lost. On the other side, Hightower lined up all over the place and gave Goff problems all night and ESPECIALLY when he went 1-on-1 with a Ram's interior OL.

I think that's the point of emphasis this upcoming year.

he wasnt bad, put a better RT next to him and im sure he could even improve. he is still pretty young. to say he cant be part of long term plans here is pretty silly.

i say we def bring him back and add d williams in FA and the OL isnt half bad

If he can come relatively cheap why not. He wasn’t terrible in 2018. Gotta get a RT in here above all else.

In comment 14299853 JonC said:

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There's no instant bargain expected, the Omameh deal is there as a starting point. BillT is also correct, for perspective.

That’s just it, the omameh deal was a bargain.

of him working out, being motivated and tagging Big Blue. It shows he wants to be here.

that a GM can't just look at the 1st string guys.

Titles are won and lost in the 4th Q and at the end of the season. Players who can provide depth in those situations can be critical.

An added bonus is that Jamon seems to want to be a NYG and is reported to be a great locker room contributor.

get him for a VERY reasonable contract. Re watching the first two games, Halapio was much better than I remembered. If they can get a top notch FA RT then they can focus the draft on defense (maybe mid round picks on OL for depth and development). Solder-Hernandez- Pio- Brown- FA would be a decent OL.

until March 11?

In comment 14300314 djm said:

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In comment 14299853 JonC said: Quote: There's no instant bargain expected, the Omameh deal is there as a starting point. BillT is also correct, for perspective. That’s just it, the omameh deal was a bargain.

The Giants paid Omameh 5.5M for 9 games. The only "bargain" is that he sucked so badly he was out in a year.

That's a pretty liberal definition of bargain.

He's at least decent, maybe better than decent, if the talk about him being hurt towards the end of the season is true. I hope the Giants at least try to bring him back.

Kudos for his big heart off the field, wherever he winds up.