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NFT: Music historians: The Two Killings of Sam Cooke - Netflix

rnargi : 2/19/2019 1:18 pm
I heard the other day through a friend of mine, creole/zydeco legend Terrance Simien, that this documentary was released. I got a chance to watch it last night and wanted to recommend it. Sam Cooke has always been a favorite artist of mine. I have fond memories of my parents playing his records when I was a kid. Personally, I believe he had the greatest soul voice of the 60s. He was also a very brave man in a very unsettling time for blacks in America. Some, but not nearly enough, know of his work in the Civil Rights Movement.

This documentary makes clear how involved he was. I've known the story of his death and the controvesy surrounding the theories that are out there for a long, long time. This is one conspiracy theory I actually believe.

This documentary is outstanding, but frankly too short. I think they could have gone much deeper, but focusing on Cooke they left a lot out about the times.

It touches on the issue of how he died, and how it appeared to be a set up, but it doesn't beat you over the head with a conclusion.

If you're a music affecionado and appreciate the historical and social impacts of music and the artists, and particularly if you like Sam Cooke and don't know of his efforts in the Civil Rights movement (not to mention his work to ensure blacks could own their own music/publishing/etc), this is a great documentary.

And as an aside, if you don't know Terrance Simien and the Zydeco Experience, check them out. Particularly now as we approach Fat Tuesday.
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Thanks for sharing,  
winoguy : 2/19/2019 1:38 pm : link
big fan of his.
I keep his music  
RasputinPrime : 2/19/2019 2:01 pm : link
in a regular rotation. Haven't seen the flick yet.
I lived through this era..  
LostinLA : 2/19/2019 3:07 pm : link
... and I saw Cooke perform with the Soul Stirrers in Tampa around 1955. At that time "Loveable" (cross over from spiritual "Wonderful") had been released and everyone knew that it was Sam singing. The show was much like James Brown and the Famous Flames, and very much blurred the line between church and juke joint. As to Civil Rights... the Netflix doc tried a bit too hard to portray him as a "champion". His involvement did not stand out to me at that time because everyone was "involved". I noted that it was not until the very end that mention was made of Martin Luther King, which was by far the most effective movement in that era. As to Malcolm X, keep in mind that Malcolm was murdered because he became enlightened and rejected the Black Muslim movement... BTW if you spend the evening waving around a wad of cash, swilling liqour, pick up a hooker in a bar, go to seedy motel, and wind up getting shot the conspiracy is probably tied to being human and making a bad decision. Sam was a great singer... and along came Marvin.
Don't forget Jackie Wilson  
KeoweeFan : 2/19/2019 4:08 pm : link
in the pre Motown "soul" era.

In addition to civil rights, Sam broke another barrier. Some Baptist gospel singers considered it sinful to sing "pop".

When Sam, a big name in gospel music, first "crossed over" he used an alias. Later when he recorded using his real name Aretha Franklin was inspired to follow.
RE: I lived through this era..  
short lease : 2/19/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14300261 LostinLA said:
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... and I saw Cooke perform with the Soul Stirrers in Tampa around 1955. At that time "Loveable" (cross over from spiritual "Wonderful") had been released and everyone knew that it was Sam singing. The show was much like James Brown and the Famous Flames, and very much blurred the line between church and juke joint. As to Civil Rights... the Netflix doc tried a bit too hard to portray him as a "champion". His involvement did not stand out to me at that time because everyone was "involved". I noted that it was not until the very end that mention was made of Martin Luther King, which was by far the most effective movement in that era. As to Malcolm X, keep in mind that Malcolm was murdered because he became enlightened and rejected the Black Muslim movement... BTW if you spend the evening waving around a wad of cash, swilling liqour, pick up a hooker in a bar, go to seedy motel, and wind up getting shot the conspiracy is probably tied to being human and making a bad decision. Sam was a great singer... and along came Marvin.


+1
I haven't yet seen the movie  
santacruzom : 2/19/2019 4:22 pm : link
But I will bring it on home to me. We may have a party about it.
I've always liked his music - so many good hits. He died too young  
Ira : 2/19/2019 4:23 pm : link
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McKee  
lugnut : 2/19/2019 4:31 pm : link
would love this thread. I think he was banned a few years ago, but he seemed a good egg and he loved this era of music.
RE: I haven't yet seen the movie  
jpkmets : 2/19/2019 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14300340 santacruzom said:
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But I will bring it on home to me. We may have a party about it.


Same with me, cause that's where it's at.
Huge fan, thanks so much for sharing ...  
DonQuixote : 2/19/2019 6:16 pm : link
... maybe this is totally German, but the Wrecking Crew is also a first rate music doc.
Some great insight from several of you..  
rnargi : 2/19/2019 7:20 pm : link
Thanks for sharing as well. I think he was set up by the girl. Just my .02 and that and 3 bucks still won't buy me a cup of coffee lol.

As for great music documentaries, has anyone here seen Oil City Confidential about Dr. Feelgood? One of the best ever.

RE: McKee  
rnargi : 2/19/2019 7:22 pm : link
In comment 14300348 lugnut said:
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would love this thread. I think he was banned a few years ago, but he seemed a good egg and he loved this era of music.


McKee and I are still good friends. You'd laugh your ass off if I told you the story about how we "met" and then realized we were friends on BBI. Small freaking world. I'll let him know you asked for him.
Thanks for posting this  
GruningsOnTheHill : 2/19/2019 8:34 pm : link
His Soul Stirrers gospel sides on Specialty are particularly inspiring, and I still get goosebumps listening to my old 78 copy of How Far am I from Canaan for the umpteenth time.

I think it was Jerry Wexler who noted--and I'm paraphrasing here--that it was a testament to how unusually talented Sam Cooke was to have been able to breathe such emotion into the RCA tunes, which for any other singer would have been by and large throwaway bubblegum drivel.
Whether you believe he was set up or not, it is a good  
Marty in Albany : 2/19/2019 8:50 pm : link
Documentary of how black Americans were treated in the mid-20th century.

I’d like to think that conditions have dramatically improved since then, but I’ve spoken to those who disagree.
I hold him in higher regard than  
MBavaro : 2/20/2019 5:35 am : link
Frank Sinatra, and regularly get chastised for it when it comes up in conversation.

I downloaded it for a flight last week.  
Section331 : 2/20/2019 11:07 am : link
I have to admit, I didn't know much about the "controversy" over his death, but I agree with Rob, I think the woman he brought back to the motel set him up.

Still a really good doc about one of the best singers. He was so influential on so many of the best soul and R&B singers that came after him.
I absolutely love his music.  
Jalapeno : 2/20/2019 2:52 pm : link
Definitely one of the best voices of all time.

His version of "Tennessee Waltz" blows me away.
Re: His version of "Tennessee Waltz" blows me away.  
GruningsOnTheHill : 2/21/2019 5:19 pm : link
+1 for this, from the At the Copa LP. Again--evergreen schmaltz from almost any other singer, but a tear-jerker from SC.

For anyone curious, I recommend the Night Beat LP for the best of his non-gospel efforts.
RE: RE: McKee  
short lease : 3/3/2019 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14300450 rnargi said:
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would love this thread. I think he was banned a few years ago, but he seemed a good egg and he loved this era of music.



McKee and I are still good friends. You'd laugh your ass off if I told you the story about how we "met" and then realized we were friends on BBI. Small freaking world. I'll let him know you asked for him.


Always wondered what happened to McKee? He could not have gotten banded? The only thing I ever remember him posting was great stories about the Music Promotion Business. Did he lose interest or did he slip one night and break the rules (Like most of us have?).
I was a big Sam Cooke fan way back when and still am.  
Ira : 3/3/2019 4:42 pm : link
I'll have to take a look at that documentary.
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