Because they know very well how you can set yourself up to win superbowls with rookie QBs allowing for splurges elsewhere. However, you have to find that rookie QB...
of mine works for a company with business with the Raiders and he said a few weeks ago Gruden was interested in Wilson and I thought it was complete BS.
I'm not sure its a great idea to take on a scrambling QB already in his mega contract and a good deal of wear and tear but he is good.
Are you kidding? I'd take Wilson in a heartbeat. He's a proven winner and champion, just turned 30, and keeps his team competitive regardless of the talent around him.
Seattle would never do it in a million years though Cowherd is a bum.
I'd pay a ton for him and it would give us a vet QB that's in his prime and can make all the plays to let Bekcham and Barkley shine. Its just too good to be true, haha.
His career has been sneaky long. I'm fine with his age though, he avoids hits and has the skillset to have a long career. He's also a sure thing, completely worth 4/5 years of peak QB years to go along with our weapons during their peak years.
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I'm not sure its a great idea to take on a scrambling QB already in his mega contract and a good deal of wear and tear but he is good.
Are you kidding? I'd take Wilson in a heartbeat. He's a proven winner and champion, just turned 30, and keeps his team competitive regardless of the talent around him.
Seattle would never do it in a million years though Cowherd is a bum.
I love the player but you have to look at the overall picture. Wilson is 31 and about to get a huge deal. Seattle have not been able to get to the superbowl since he left his rookie deal which was generous. He's now about to get paid like a megastar.
I think I'd do it but I'm not sure it gives you a better chance of winning than taking a Haskins or Murray.
I'd pay a ton for him and it would give us a vet QB that's in his prime and can make all the plays to let Bekcham and Barkley shine. Its just too good to be true, haha.
Lol yeah, probably.
I understand why they'd do it. The talent base around Wilson has deteriorated quite a bit as his cap hit has risen. Not all of that is due to cap casualties... but a lot of it is.
A lot of the guys who were key cogs there are gone.. Sherman is in SF, Chancellor retired, Bruce Irvin is gone, Earl Thomas is probably going to be gone, Michael Bennett is gone... the OL got worse.
Bobby Wagner is one of the only stars from those teams that is still there with Wilson.
I think they probably want to try and recreate the prior model with someone like Murray.
But if they're willing to part with Wilson, I am absolutely wiling to acquire AND pay him. I am confident in Wilson continuing to be a top QB for another 4-5 years.
other problem is that he'll want another monster contract since he'll be a FA after this year. So you can't make this trade without first working out a new deal.
I just don’t see how it fits into our long term plans. This team isn’t ready to contend and won’t be until Wilson is 33 or 34. That’s before getting into the compensation we’d have to give Seattle. Pass.
2019 and 20 firsts if Seattle is dumb enough to do it. He's a top 5 QB. I'm typically against picks for big contracts but you do that when somebody is offering a Mack (or OBJ) level talent or franchise QB. These guys don't grow on trees.
...and ignore it. This is land of make believe stuff that is perfect for mid-February talk radio when nothing is going on.
You know the agent that Cowherd got his info from? Who is it?
Why are you so inclined to believe someone who, to my knowledge, has never actually broken a story? Please cite for me all the examples of Colin Cowherd reporting an unsubstantiated rumor that was later proven to be true.
It's cases like this where I understand why people hate Â
I just don’t see how it fits into our long term plans. This team isn’t ready to contend and won’t be until Wilson is 33 or 34. That’s before getting into the compensation we’d have to give Seattle. Pass.
I don’t agree. Add a top 5 QB to this roster, add the RT in FA and draft heavily on defense and we are in the playoff hunt this season. Rebuilds happen quick when opportunities like this (if it’s legit) present itself.
I just don’t see how it fits into our long term plans. This team isn’t ready to contend and won’t be until Wilson is 33 or 34. That’s before getting into the compensation we’d have to give Seattle. Pass.
Yeah you couldn't be more wrong. I don't think it happens but if it did the Giants would be instant contenders in the NFC.
Does Eli go back to Seattle in the trade? I wouldn't think Seattle would have a great deal of interest, however Wilson and Eli wouldn't be on the same team, so he would have to be traded or cut.
...and ignore it. This is land of make believe stuff that is perfect for mid-February talk radio when nothing is going on.
You know the agent that Cowherd got his info from? Who is it?
Why are you so inclined to believe someone who, to my knowledge, has never actually broken a story? Please cite for me all the examples of Colin Cowherd reporting an unsubstantiated rumor that was later proven to be true.
I'm asking you if you know who his source actually is. You're telling everyone to ignore it, but don't know who it is.
big cap hit right? I'd offer them #6 overall and our 2nd next year.
It would leave us really thin to fix the OL and all of the holes on defense being down the premium picks and up against the cap, but hard to turn down a legit stud QB in prime of his career.
I'm asking you if you know who his source actually is. You're telling everyone to ignore it, but don't know who it is.
How does that make sense?
Cowherd didn't make it up.
Cowherd has made a career out of dumb takes, so I don't happen to assume he has a reliable source. However, if "ignore" is too strong a word for you, how about simply taking this rumor with a grain of salt.
I'm sure he's not making up that someone told him this, what I doubt is that the person who told him this knows anything.
All I'm asking is if you guys know which agent he got this from.
If you don't, then telling people to just ignore it is stupid.
Maybe he just made this up out of thin air for kicks - I doubt it. If you read other comments here, it's not the first time this has come up or been mentioned.
Of course the odds of Russell Wilson coming here are tiny - it would be a massive, blockbuster deal.
Just not sure why we're completely dismissing the report if we don't even know who Cowherd got the info from.
I guess we could just preemptively decide it was made up or a bad source... not sure what that accomplishes, but go ahead.
Maybe he DID get it from a credible source, but I see no reason to assume that he did since, again, he's a drooling piece of shit with the brain of an amoeba.
His cap hit is exactly the same as the cap savings the Giants would gain by parting ways with Eli. So assuming an Eli trade/release prior to his roster bonus coming due, acquiring Wilson would be cap neutral for 2019.
Here's a question - to the group in general - with the cap hit for 2019 being a nonfactor, what would you trade to put Eli back in his prime with 7-8 years in front of him and to have him magically acquire some mobility that he never had?
I honestly doubt there's any real possibility of this actually happening, but the one thing that would make sense about it is that the Giants seem absolutely opposed to a teardown at the QB position and are determined to go the run-to-fail path instead. If that's the case, pursuing an established QB would be more consistent with some of the roster construction on the offensive side of the ball.
anyway, in the unlikely event that Cowherd knows what he's talking Â
about for pretty much the first time ever, my only reservation is how much Wilson will be affected by losing a step or two of quickness. How well will his performance age?
Wilson is a fantastic passer - I'm not really worried about how he'll age. He's not entirely dependent on his mobility. I'd be shocked if he wasn't still a top-tier QB over the next 3-4 years. He keeps himself in tremendous shape and he knows how to avoid taking a lot of unnecessary contact. He's a really smart player.
All I'm asking is if you guys know which agent he got this from.
If you don't, then telling people to just ignore it is stupid.
Maybe he just made this up out of thin air for kicks - I doubt it. If you read other comments here, it's not the first time this has come up or been mentioned.
Of course the odds of Russell Wilson coming here are tiny - it would be a massive, blockbuster deal.
Just not sure why we're completely dismissing the report if we don't even know who Cowherd got the info from.
I guess we could just preemptively decide it was made up or a bad source... not sure what that accomplishes, but go ahead.
Knowing the Agent would not hurt, but I recall reading several years ago, an article by a prominent Agent(blanking on name, sorry) who said that 95% of what you hear ostensibly from inside team sources, are floated by Agents. I never forgot that and always keep that in mind
But hypothetically would you give up the 6 and Barkley... My immediate reaction is heck no, but then when you take a step back - if you feel that he is indeed a top 3/4 qb in the league is it an unjustified request?
Just not sure why we're completely dismissing the report if we don't even know who Cowherd got the info from.
Because Colin Cowherd has no record of breaking news and has a history of being wrong. I can't imagine why anyone would take anything he says at face value.
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But hypothetically would you give up the 6 and Barkley... My immediate reaction is heck no, but then when you take a step back - if you feel that he is indeed a top 3/4 qb in the league is it an unjustified request?
going from the least athletic QB in the league to the most athletic QB in the league??
I'd be thrilled to make that transition but we can't gut the team of draft picks. I'd offer a MAX of this year's #6 overall plus next year's first rounder.
going from the least athletic QB in the league to the most athletic QB in the league??
I'd be thrilled to make that transition but we can't gut the team of draft picks. I'd offer a MAX of this year's #6 overall plus next year's first rounder.
For a 30-year old? And that offer wouldn't be gutting the team?
All I'm asking is if you guys know which agent he got this from.
If you don't, then telling people to just ignore it is stupid.
Maybe he just made this up out of thin air for kicks - I doubt it. If you read other comments here, it's not the first time this has come up or been mentioned.
Of course the odds of Russell Wilson coming here are tiny - it would be a massive, blockbuster deal.
Just not sure why we're completely dismissing the report if we don't even know who Cowherd got the info from.
I guess we could just preemptively decide it was made up or a bad source... not sure what that accomplishes, but go ahead.
Knowing the Agent would not hurt, but I recall reading several years ago, an article by a prominent Agent(blanking on name, sorry) who said that 95% of what you hear ostensibly from inside team sources, are floated by Agents. I never forgot that and always keep that in mind
It seems like people who post inside info here are also getting that info from friends in the agency business
going from the least athletic QB in the league to the most athletic QB in the league??
I'd be thrilled to make that transition but we can't gut the team of draft picks. I'd offer a MAX of this year's #6 overall plus next year's first rounder.
For a 30-year old? And that offer wouldn't be gutting the team?
Gutting the team by trading players they don't yet have? Did they gut the team when they traded for Eli?
Just not sure why we're completely dismissing the report if we don't even know who Cowherd got the info from.
Because Colin Cowherd has no record of breaking news and has a history of being wrong. I can't imagine why anyone would take anything he says at face value.
It's February 20th - no one is accepting it as a fact. It's being discussed like most rumors. Who cares.
He also didn't just pull it out of thin air - he's not the first guy to mention this. It's been brought up before.
I have no idea if it's even remotely feasible, but is it that hard to believe that Seattle may want to revisit the same model that got them to back to back SB's and had them as one of the most consistently good teams in the NFC from around 2012-2017?
And hell, maybe Ciara really does want to come to the east coast. Women have ways of getting what they want.
No one's forcing you into the thread if you're so certain it's worth just writing off entirely.
going from the least athletic QB in the league to the most athletic QB in the league??
I'd be thrilled to make that transition but we can't gut the team of draft picks. I'd offer a MAX of this year's #6 overall plus next year's first rounder.
For a 30-year old? And that offer wouldn't be gutting the team?
Gutting the team by trading players they don't yet have? Did they gut the team when they traded for Eli?
I’d give a second round pick this year and a 1st round pick next year that turns to a 2 if we miss the playoffs.
We still have to pay him and have a lot of holes.
Offensively we have much more talent than Seattle, especially considering their OL is probably on par with ours.
But the Seattle D is a much better unit.
I'd probably offer similar compensation though, especially since we'd likely have to give Wilson 5 years/$150M. Doubt that's enough to entice Seattle though.
But hypothetically would you give up the 6 and Barkley... My immediate reaction is heck no, but then when you take a step back - if you feel that he is indeed a top 3/4 qb in the league is it an unjustified request?
Boy, people on this forum have some WILD takes on what players are worth.
Barkley and 6th Overall for 31 year old Russell Wilson? Are you out of your mind?
Everyone starts paying a guy in his 30s at least 35 million a year? For 5 years? And it will cost us at least a first and probably a lot more?
I am not seeing how this makes sense???
Because it allows us to compete for a title all 5 of those years. At the end of those 4/5 years we can then move on from him, Beckham, Solder, and anyone else who we don't want to pay anymore.
It makes a ton of sense to me. Finding the next 10+ year QB requires a ton of things to fall correctly. I'm fine with a 5 year plan.
for Eli do need near perfect conditions to win games. I have absolutely zero problem with paying Wilson a fuckton more to start winning games for this team. How is this even debatable?
this year, which is fine. Seattle has a dead cap hit of about $8.3M, but then he's off their books.
The compensation to Seattle is the problem. The cost would likely be much too high, especially given his age.
My guess is that the Giants are just doing their due diligence by exploring all options.
$17M happens to be the cap savings if we move on from Eli. I have no problem with Eli but this is A guy 5-6 years younger who is a top 5 QB in the NFL who can scramble and create out of broken plays for the likes of Beckham and Barkley? That would be ridiculous.
going from the least athletic QB in the league to the most athletic QB in the league??
I'd be thrilled to make that transition but we can't gut the team of draft picks. I'd offer a MAX of this year's #6 overall plus next year's first rounder.
For a 30-year old? And that offer wouldn't be gutting the team?
Gutting the team by trading players they don't yet have? Did they gut the team when they traded for Eli?
His cap hit is exactly the same as the cap savings the Giants would gain by parting ways with Eli. So assuming an Eli trade/release prior to his roster bonus coming due, acquiring Wilson would be cap neutral for 2019.
Here's a question - to the group in general - with the cap hit for 2019 being a nonfactor, what would you trade to put Eli back in his prime with 7-8 years in front of him and to have him magically acquire some mobility that he never had?
I honestly doubt there's any real possibility of this actually happening, but the one thing that would make sense about it is that the Giants seem absolutely opposed to a teardown at the QB position and are determined to go the run-to-fail path instead. If that's the case, pursuing an established QB would be more consistent with some of the roster construction on the offensive side of the ball.
If the Giants want to win now and have a window for the next few years this would be a heck of a move. Would they take Eli and our #2 and then next years #2? I would hate to give up pick #6 but I would for Russel Wilson.
His cap hit is exactly the same as the cap savings the Giants would gain by parting ways with Eli. So assuming an Eli trade/release prior to his roster bonus coming due, acquiring Wilson would be cap neutral for 2019.
Here's a question - to the group in general - with the cap hit for 2019 being a nonfactor, what would you trade to put Eli back in his prime with 7-8 years in front of him and to have him magically acquire some mobility that he never had?
I honestly doubt there's any real possibility of this actually happening, but the one thing that would make sense about it is that the Giants seem absolutely opposed to a teardown at the QB position and are determined to go the run-to-fail path instead. If that's the case, pursuing an established QB would be more consistent with some of the roster construction on the offensive side of the ball.
If the Giants want to win now and have a window for the next few years this would be a heck of a move. Would they take Eli and our #2 and then next years #2? I would hate to give up pick #6 but I would for Russel Wilson.
they wouldn't take Eli, not to mention he has a no trade clause
But we could dream about Barkley, Beckham, Russell Wilson... or we could just draft Kyler who wont cost nearly as much as Wilson, keep Beckham and the other draft picks and turn this into the real thing. Another offseason that is more exciting than the regular season for big blue.
for their next Franchise QB, this year or next. They have to get Eli’s contract off the books and get a rookie in. Giants cap will improve dramatically and they will have the resources to improve the rest of the team. Wilson is 31 and is what he is. He’d look good in Blue, but I think the Giants are better off drafting the heir apparent.
Its probably going to take at least the #6 pick and another high one in 2020 to get Wilson.
Perhaps they could do a conditional pick based on Wilson's performance for the 2020 pick. A certain performance gives them a RD1. If the Giants are horrible and earn a high pick, they get a RD2, instead of the RD1. Something like that.
Maybe they could go to the 2021 draft for another, conditionally as well (a lower pick, like a RD3 or RD4, or lower).
His cap hit is exactly the same as the cap savings the Giants would gain by parting ways with Eli. So assuming an Eli trade/release prior to his roster bonus coming due, acquiring Wilson would be cap neutral for 2019.
Here's a question - to the group in general - with the cap hit for 2019 being a nonfactor, what would you trade to put Eli back in his prime with 7-8 years in front of him and to have him magically acquire some mobility that he never had?
I honestly doubt there's any real possibility of this actually happening, but the one thing that would make sense about it is that the Giants seem absolutely opposed to a teardown at the QB position and are determined to go the run-to-fail path instead. If that's the case, pursuing an established QB would be more consistent with some of the roster construction on the offensive side of the ball.
If the Giants want to win now and have a window for the next few years this would be a heck of a move. Would they take Eli and our #2 and then next years #2? I would hate to give up pick #6 but I would for Russel Wilson.
His cap hit is exactly the same as the cap savings the Giants would gain by parting ways with Eli. So assuming an Eli trade/release prior to his roster bonus coming due, acquiring Wilson would be cap neutral for 2019.
Here's a question - to the group in general - with the cap hit for 2019 being a nonfactor, what would you trade to put Eli back in his prime with 7-8 years in front of him and to have him magically acquire some mobility that he never had?
I honestly doubt there's any real possibility of this actually happening, but the one thing that would make sense about it is that the Giants seem absolutely opposed to a teardown at the QB position and are determined to go the run-to-fail path instead. If that's the case, pursuing an established QB would be more consistent with some of the roster construction on the offensive side of the ball.
If the Giants want to win now and have a window for the next few years this would be a heck of a move. Would they take Eli and our #2 and then next years #2? I would hate to give up pick #6 but I would for Russel Wilson.
I think if we don't want to part ways with #6 we'd need to give up next year's 1st rounder.
Eli, 2019 2nd rounder, 2020 1st rounder... This would give the Seahawks a chance to get the QB they want next year (when there are actually decent QBs) and still have a QB in Eli to transition to the future. This would also let the Giants to keep #6 and get an elite edge rusher and then they could part ways with Vernon. They'd then have the cap room and the main pieces in place needed to compete the next 3-4 years with Wilson, Barkley, and OBJ all in their prime.
His cap hit is exactly the same as the cap savings the Giants would gain by parting ways with Eli. So assuming an Eli trade/release prior to his roster bonus coming due, acquiring Wilson would be cap neutral for 2019.
Here's a question - to the group in general - with the cap hit for 2019 being a nonfactor, what would you trade to put Eli back in his prime with 7-8 years in front of him and to have him magically acquire some mobility that he never had?
I honestly doubt there's any real possibility of this actually happening, but the one thing that would make sense about it is that the Giants seem absolutely opposed to a teardown at the QB position and are determined to go the run-to-fail path instead. If that's the case, pursuing an established QB would be more consistent with some of the roster construction on the offensive side of the ball.
If the Giants want to win now and have a window for the next few years this would be a heck of a move. Would they take Eli and our #2 and then next years #2? I would hate to give up pick #6 but I would for Russel Wilson.
I think if we don't want to part ways with #6 we'd need to give up next year's 1st rounder.
Eli, 2019 2nd rounder, 2020 1st rounder... This would give the Seahawks a chance to get the QB they want next year (when there are actually decent QBs) and still have a QB in Eli to transition to the future. This would also let the Giants to keep #6 and get an elite edge rusher and then they could part ways with Vernon. They'd then have the cap room and the main pieces in place needed to compete the next 3-4 years with Wilson, Barkley, and OBJ all in their prime.
Leg, you may be right if not this years #1, next years. Would love Wilson on this team and his ability to extend plays. Imagine that with Barkley and Beckham an extra second or 2 to get open or improvise?
If Wilson does want out of Seattle, the better option here may be to simply wait until he's a free agent next year (and Eli is off the books) and just sign him. That would mean the Giants draft an edge rusher at #6, OL at #37, roll with Eli in 2019, cut Vernon next off-season, and then they'd have plenty of cap room to sign Wilson and maybe even a high-profile OL in 2020. If for some reason they can't get Wilson, then draft one of the 2020 QBs. The point is: if Wilson wants to come to NY and he's about to be a free agent then there's really no reason to desperately draft a QB in a 2019 class that is weak at QB.
But hypothetically would you give up the 6 and Barkley... My immediate reaction is heck no, but then when you take a step back - if you feel that he is indeed a top 3/4 qb in the league is it an unjustified request?
Boy, people on this forum have some WILD takes on what players are worth.
Barkley and 6th Overall for 31 year old Russell Wilson? Are you out of your mind?
This. He's in the last year of his contract. 6 overall would be too much on its own.
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But hypothetically would you give up the 6 and Barkley... My immediate reaction is heck no, but then when you take a step back - if you feel that he is indeed a top 3/4 qb in the league is it an unjustified request?
Boy, people on this forum have some WILD takes on what players are worth.
Barkley and 6th Overall for 31 year old Russell Wilson? Are you out of your mind?
This. He's in the last year of his contract. 6 overall would be too much on its own.
Shurmur said he was 'fond' of mobile QBs. He did pretty well with Keenum who could scramble a bit and create. Gettleman is not tied to Eli like the previous regime was and DG has proven he is not afraid of making big moves.
Not saying it will happen obviously but if he is available Giants might at least make a serious offer.
Everyone starts paying a guy in his 30s at least 35 million a year? For 5 years? And it will cost us at least a first and probably a lot more?
I am not seeing how this makes sense???
Because it allows us to compete for a title all 5 of those years. At the end of those 4/5 years we can then move on from him, Beckham, Solder, and anyone else who we don't want to pay anymore.
It makes a ton of sense to me. Finding the next 10+ year QB requires a ton of things to fall correctly. I'm fine with a 5 year plan.
Is in this years draft. Think about the Oklahoma kid. Might have a chance at him with the 6th pick in the draft,
Yep. I bet Carol thinks he can do what he did with Wilson with Murray. Cheap contract, spend on defense and be a running based offense with a shifty QB with talent he won’t have to overly rely on.
If you think he is a top 5 qb, then what would you ask for if the giants were going to trade that asset? The giants were allegedly asking for two firsts for Beckham, you don’t think a top 5 qb would get more? I said it earlier but if i am seahawks I ask for Barkley plus 6. Doubt we do that but you don’t think a team would come up with a comparable offer? The Vikings gave up a first for Sam effing Bradford!
Assuming Kyler Murray = Russell Wilson is dangerous.
One guy is a Super Bowl champion and one guy still needs to be measured.
No one is making that assumption. Kyler Murray doesn't have to be as good as Wilson in order to be the better play. He'll be cheaper to get, and cheaper to pay once we get him.
I also don't like the idea of Wilson wanting to go to a team because he or his wife want to be in NYC. Once guys start operating that way they've already got a foot out of their football career and into the next thing.
Everyone starts paying a guy in his 30s at least 35 million a year? For 5 years? And it will cost us at least a first and probably a lot more?
I am not seeing how this makes sense???
remember when I said that you always find something wrong with any option at QB?
This is what I was talking about.
I don't think he's questioning the person. Just the cost.
Its always something....
So other than this draft class and spending and giving up an insane amount for Wilson.... what have I dismissed? This should be funny zzz
all QBs in this class
Russel willson
Any cheap stop gap option
I'm sure there are other ideas thrown out there that you shot down for one reason or another.
Assuming Kyler Murray = Russell Wilson is dangerous.
One guy is a Super Bowl champion and one guy still needs to be measured.
No one is making that assumption. Kyler Murray doesn't have to be as good as Wilson in order to be the better play. He'll be cheaper to get, and cheaper to pay once we get him.
I also don't like the idea of Wilson wanting to go to a team because he or his wife want to be in NYC. Once guys start operating that way they've already got a foot out of their football career and into the next thing.
Murray is still a complete unknown. I know I can win a Super Bowl with Russell Wilson. I have no idea if I can do that with Murray. I don't even know if I can play 16 games with Murray.
Hell, I don't even know how fucking tall Kyler Murray is.
Wilson isn't the type of guy who is going to half-ass playing football. I would have absolutely no concern over any of that. That's not his persona.
Wilson doesn't miss games. He's been out there every single week since he's been in the league. I'm wiling to pay for that and pay for a known quantity.
You are on the record saying you'd pay a great QB - you think it's worth it to pay guys like Rodgers, etc... now you're going back on that? I can't keep track of any of your logic - it seems like it's just "choose the opposite stance of wherever most people are leaning"
Murray could have tiny hands for all we know and be 5'8". But we're already fine penciling him in over RW in the name of cap space. Oy.
Why not just move up and draft Murray? That figures to be a lot easier and cheaper.
Cheaper? Yes. Easier? How?
Wilson is real. He would be 31 and still in the prime of his Hall of Fame run. He's proven to be a rare player who can make chicken salad. And I wouldn't rule out that he could be Brady-esque and be willing to take less b/c his wife produces big coin.
Why not just move up and draft Murray? That figures to be a lot easier and cheaper.
Cheaper? Yes. Easier? How?
Wilson is real. He would be 31 and still in the prime of his Hall of Fame run. He's proven to be a rare player who can make chicken salad. And I wouldn't rule out that he could be Brady-esque and be willing to take less b/c his wife produces big coin.
Murray is a dream.
Cousins got 28 million guaranteed over 3 years....
Wilson wants 4 years 140 million guaranteed... you say?
Why not just move up and draft Murray? That figures to be a lot easier and cheaper.
Cheaper? Yes. Easier? How?
Wilson is real. He would be 31 and still in the prime of his Hall of Fame run. He's proven to be a rare player who can make chicken salad. And I wouldn't rule out that he could be Brady-esque and be willing to take less b/c his wife produces big coin.
Murray is a dream.
Cousins got 28 million guaranteed over 3 years....
Wilson wants 4 years 140 million guaranteed... you say?
dep, why are you getting so shook up about the money lol it's not like it's your bank account they're paying him out of right? Haven't you been the biggest Eli supporter on this board? Eli's been a huge cap hit on this team every year for the past decade. Should we have let Eli go because he was too pricy? The cap keeps going up and up and I imagine Wilson's cap hit as a % over the next 5 years will be similar to what Eli's cap hit as a % has been the past 5 years. You don't think we stand to get a better bang for our buck with a prime Russell Wilson?
Wilson will be paid whatever is commensurate with his ability, sure it will be a lot but I'm not sure it'll be quite as much as Rodgers got. That shouldn't be a reason we turn down an opportunity to have one of the best players in the league at the most important position on the field. There are a lot riskier things we could do with $30M per year than spend it on a top QB who has a super bowl ring, has never been injured, is yet to have a losing season in the NFL (despite being on some crappy teams here and there), has a half-decade of his prime left, and by all accounts is a model citizen, teammate, and team-spokesperson.
Russell Wilson is the type of QB that can make a bad team decent, a decent team good, and a good team championship-caliber. I actually said on a thread earlier this year he is the one guy who MIGHT have been able to pull off a winning season with this 2018 Giants team. His mobility and smarts work to mask a lot of deficiencies (our o-line for instance) and his versatility and talents work to take full advantage of the assets we DO have (Barkley and Beckham). He would be worth every cent of $30 mill/yr if that's what he got.
Why not just move up and draft Murray? That figures to be a lot easier and cheaper.
Cheaper? Yes. Easier? How?
Wilson is real. He would be 31 and still in the prime of his Hall of Fame run. He's proven to be a rare player who can make chicken salad. And I wouldn't rule out that he could be Brady-esque and be willing to take less b/c his wife produces big coin.
Murray is a dream.
Cousins got 28 million guaranteed over 3 years....
Wilson wants 4 years 140 million guaranteed... you say?
dep, why are you getting so shook up about the money lol it's not like it's your bank account they're paying him out of right? Haven't you been the biggest Eli supporter on this board? Eli's been a huge cap hit on this team every year for the past decade. Should we have let Eli go because he was too pricy? The cap keeps going up and up and I imagine Wilson's cap hit as a % over the next 5 years will be similar to what Eli's cap hit as a % has been the past 5 years. You don't think we stand to get a better bang for our buck with a prime Russell Wilson?
Wilson will be paid whatever is commensurate with his ability, sure it will be a lot but I'm not sure it'll be quite as much as Rodgers got. That shouldn't be a reason we turn down an opportunity to have one of the best players in the league at the most important position on the field. There are a lot riskier things we could do with $30M per year than spend it on a top QB who has a super bowl ring, has never been injured, is yet to have a losing season in the NFL (despite being on some crappy teams here and there), has a half-decade of his prime left, and by all accounts is a model citizen, teammate, and team-spokesperson.
Russell Wilson is the type of QB that can make a bad team decent, a decent team good, and a good team championship-caliber. I actually said on a thread earlier this year he is the one guy who MIGHT have been able to pull off a winning season with this 2018 Giants team. His mobility and smarts work to mask a lot of deficiencies (our o-line for instance) and his versatility and talents work to take full advantage of the assets we DO have (Barkley and Beckham). He would be worth every cent of $30 mill/yr if that's what he got.
1. He’s getting more than 30 million.
2. He’s going to cost at least 2 first round picks.
3. His contract will be the biggest in NFL history. And the older one gets, the lesser you want him scrambling. Signing him for 5-6 years at age 32 isn’t smart.
4. Putting your eggs in Wilson while giving up multiple first round picks doesn’t help the team. We will still have a shitty defense and OL that is porous.
Yes he will make us better... but we aren’t a Russell Wilson away from the SB.
The host asked him about playing both football, and baseball. He said the best chance would be if he was drafted by the Raiders. Them he mentioned 'Russ', and how he might be able to play for the Yankees, but only if he was traded to the Giants, or the Jets. I think this is where this rumor is getting it's start. For the record, I'd give this years 6th pick, but that's all.
If we got Wilson. Draft Murray and have him sit behind Wilson for a few years and learn from one of the best, on how to play the position, with their stature.
... "The old man traded for Tarkenton. This Wilson kid reminds me of Tarkenton. Tarkenton was exciting. LET'S DO IT, DAVE!"
Dave Gettleman thinking...
... "John's old man traded for Tarkenton. Wilson reminds me of Tarkenton. The Giants never won shit with Tarkenton. Then they traded him back to the Vikings after a few years. I'd give Seattle Eli and a fourth rounder. Or pass."
If we got Wilson. Draft Murray and have him sit behind Wilson for a few years and learn from one of the best, on how to play the position, with their stature.
A few years?! That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works!!!
30 if they tagged him. There is actually almost a little nba esch player leverage here as a result of that franchise number. Essentially Seattle cannot reasonably keep this guy if he wants to leave in a year or two and any team trading for him would want a guarantee that they could sign him to a normal contract. Still would be utterly shocked if the 6th pick + is enough to get it done but if Wilson indicates there is no chance he signs an extension in Seattle it’s possible.
If we got Wilson. Draft Murray and have him sit behind Wilson for a few years and learn from one of the best, on how to play the position, with their stature.
A few years?! That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works!!!
If we got Wilson. Draft Murray and have him sit behind Wilson for a few years and learn from one of the best, on how to play the position, with their stature.
Dude.. that’s beyond unreasonable.
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If we got Wilson. Draft Murray and have him sit behind Wilson for a few years and learn from one of the best, on how to play the position, with their stature.
A few years?! That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works!!!
I know, right!!
~Aaron Rodgers~
Um that was 14 years ago before contracts were, oh forget it I can’t be bothered
Assuming Kyler Murray = Russell Wilson is dangerous.
One guy is a Super Bowl champion and one guy still needs to be measured.
No one is making that assumption. Kyler Murray doesn't have to be as good as Wilson in order to be the better play. He'll be cheaper to get, and cheaper to pay once we get him.
I also don't like the idea of Wilson wanting to go to a team because he or his wife want to be in NYC. Once guys start operating that way they've already got a foot out of their football career and into the next thing.
I'd pay a ton for him and it would give us a vet QB that's in his prime and can make all the plays to let Bekcham and Barkley shine. Its just too good to be true, haha.
2 #1's, sign me up. And a 2nd? Sign me up. oh, you want a 3rd? Sign me up
I'd pay a ton for him and it would give us a vet QB that's in his prime and can make all the plays to let Bekcham and Barkley shine. Its just too good to be true, haha.
2 #1's, sign me up. And a 2nd? Sign me up. oh, you want a 3rd? Sign me up
Absolutely insane/ We ever did this..... we would be worse for ages.
Russell Wilson has emerged as a near elite talent, as in a top-6 QB. Period. Adding a QB of that quality is never bad, regardless of the cost. And we are unlikely to find a QB of that quality in the draft. Wilson is at a level that Eli Manning never reached in his entire career. Yes, Eli was awesome during his two amazing playoff runs, but if we're being honest, he never attained Russell Wilson's career peak. Wilson is on another level than Eli, and I love Eli. And now, there is literally no comparison.
If we were lucky enough to add Wilson, we would be very close to contention again. I'll remind folks that Seattle was saddled with a broken D and a shoddy O-line and have still found ways to win. If we can add him it should be seriously considered.
Holy shit. This place is unbearable. I know one thing... Eli never cost his team a fucking super bowl.
Did Russell Wilson? You bet your ass he did.
Do you consider "career" and "career peak" synonymous?
Wake us all up when Russell Wilson is flirting with a career W/L record below .500 despite having been paid more than any other player in the history of the NFL.
I'd pay a ton for him and it would give us a vet QB that's in his prime and can make all the plays to let Bekcham and Barkley shine. Its just too good to be true, haha.
2 #1's, sign me up. And a 2nd? Sign me up. oh, you want a 3rd? Sign me up
Absolutely insane/ We ever did this..... we would be worse for ages.
What if it's only two #1s, a #3 and a #5? Would that make us worse for ages?
I'd pay a ton for him and it would give us a vet QB that's in his prime and can make all the plays to let Bekcham and Barkley shine. Its just too good to be true, haha.
2 #1's, sign me up. And a 2nd? Sign me up. oh, you want a 3rd? Sign me up
Absolutely insane/ We ever did this..... we would be worse for ages.
What if it's only two #1s, a #3 and a #5? Would that make us worse for ages?
Why two number one's? The giants paid a 1 3 5 for manning. That is what you were getting at right?
Holy shit. This place is unbearable. I know one thing... Eli never cost his team a fucking super bowl.
Did Russell Wilson? You bet your ass he did.
JESUS CHRIST. You are going to take that one play from that one game and write off his whole career because of it?
If Asante Samuel holds on to that INT then hell yeah you would say the same exact thing about Eli. Eli deserves plenty of credit for his accomplishments but don't sit here and act like he didn't benefit from a little bit of luck particularly in XLII. Fortunes went AGAINST Wilson in XLIX but sometimes that's just the way the cookie crumbles.
Meanwhile RW has started every single game since he was a rookie, has a career record of 75-36-1, has never had a losing season, career RATING over 100, TD:INT ratio better than 3:1, 64.2% completion %. Not to mention averaging about 500 yds rushing per season. I love Eli but in certain important categories he's never come close to matching Wilson's year-in-year-out production, not to mention RW HAS gotten it done in big spots and on the biggest stage of all.
For you to point to 1 INT that lost them a super bowl? Where the DB made pretty much the play of the century? And it was mostly his coach's fault for the awful play call? You're clearly just being willfully ignorant. Meanwhile Eli threw about 3 passes on that final drive that easily could have been picked off (thank god they weren't) and you want to put him on some pedestal as this infallible god who is head and shoulders above Wilson? Again, I love Eli, but you take this shit too far sometimes man.
I'd pay a ton for him and it would give us a vet QB that's in his prime and can make all the plays to let Bekcham and Barkley shine. Its just too good to be true, haha.
2 #1's, sign me up. And a 2nd? Sign me up. oh, you want a 3rd? Sign me up
Absolutely insane/ We ever did this..... we would be worse for ages.
What if it's only two #1s, a #3 and a #5? Would that make us worse for ages?
Why two number one's? The giants paid a 1 3 5 for manning. That is what you were getting at right?
They gave up their #1 in 2004, their #1 in 2005, their #3 in 2004 and their #5 in 2005.
but it's no different than blaming Wilson entirely (rather than Carroll, or instead of crediting Belichick) for the INT at the goal line against New England, which is where the topic even originated on this thread.
not saying Wilsons career sucks, but to say Eli's best play hasnt approached Wilson's career is totally wrong.
Wilson was a game manager his first few years. He has more years of throwing for under 220 yards per game than throwing for more than that. He has always for the most part had one of the best defenses and run games in the NFL.
Its not take anything from him, but lets please stop with him carrying the Seahwks for his entire career.
not saying Wilsons career sucks, but to say Eli's best play hasnt approached Wilson's career is totally wrong.
Wilson was a game manager his first few years. He has more years of throwing for under 220 yards per game than throwing for more than that. He has always for the most part had one of the best defenses and run games in the NFL.
Its not take anything from him, but lets please stop with him carrying the Seahwks for his entire career.
And Eli is a game manager now. What's your point?
And again, the point that he made above was that Eli hadn't matched Wilson's career PEAK, not Wilson's career in general. Based on the fact that you have twisted his argument against him, I'm going to go ahead and presume that you do understand his point and agree with it.
are people really deflecting blame off Wilson for that INT? Holy shit. Ive heard it all now.
"The play of the century".... he threw it RIGHT AT HIM!!!! Butler never even adjusted for the ball since it hit him squarely in the arms!!!
Jesus Christ, Eli gets blamed for losing a game for a 2nd quarter INT, but Giants fans are makign excuses for Wilson's INT.
What a freaking joke.
The play was telegraphed from jump - the Pats had caught it on film during their preparation and saw it play out exactly as they expected. It was a quick timing play, and Butler was jumping the route right as Wilson released the ball.
I'm not saying that Wilson deserves no blame at all, but that INT is on Carroll way more than it's on Wilson, IMO. And that's without giving any credit to Belichick and his staff for recognizing it and Butler for making the play. You're the one who said Wilson single-handedly cost his team the SB. That's either a bold-faced lie or you being willfully obtuse. Which do you prefer?
not saying Wilsons career sucks, but to say Eli's best play hasnt approached Wilson's career is totally wrong.
Wilson was a game manager his first few years. He has more years of throwing for under 220 yards per game than throwing for more than that. He has always for the most part had one of the best defenses and run games in the NFL.
Its not take anything from him, but lets please stop with him carrying the Seahwks for his entire career.
And Eli is a game manager now. What's your point?
And again, the point that he made above was that Eli hadn't matched Wilson's career PEAK, not Wilson's career in general. Based on the fact that you have twisted his argument against him, I'm going to go ahead and presume that you do understand his point and agree with it.
Actually in 2011, Eli's peak was nothing that Wilson has come even close to matching. Which is carrying an entire unit to winning the SB.
And Eli's game now has nothing to do with what he is arguing. No one is arguing Wilson is better than Eli... now. But the cost of giving up a shit ton of draft picks and giving a guy in his mid 30s at least 35 million guaranteed is not a good a business investment.
are people really deflecting blame off Wilson for that INT? Holy shit. Ive heard it all now.
"The play of the century".... he threw it RIGHT AT HIM!!!! Butler never even adjusted for the ball since it hit him squarely in the arms!!!
Jesus Christ, Eli gets blamed for losing a game for a 2nd quarter INT, but Giants fans are makign excuses for Wilson's INT.
What a freaking joke.
The play was telegraphed from jump - the Pats had caught it on film during their preparation and saw it play out exactly as they expected. It was a quick timing play, and Butler was jumping the route right as Wilson released the ball.
I'm not saying that Wilson deserves no blame at all, but that INT is on Carroll way more than it's on Wilson, IMO. And that's without giving any credit to Belichick and his staff for recognizing it and Butler for making the play. You're the one who said Wilson single-handedly cost his team the SB. That's either a bold-faced lie or you being willfully obtuse. Which do you prefer?
You know whats funny about you.... is that you pick and choose arguments and like to be confrontational. Its been your gig for over 15 years. I get in arguments all the time, mostly about Eli, and when poeople say stupid shit about him costing them a game - you are silent, and never say a word. But when someone says something about a player you like - you come out of the woodwork and try to intimidate people.
Wilson absolutely, positively, without a shadow of a doubt cost his team the SB. He threw the pick that ended the game. Should they have ran it? Absolutely. Should BB get credit for sniffing the play out? No doubt.
But at the end of the day, as it is said here ALL THE TIME, the QB is responsible at the end of the day. He threw the pick. It ended the game. They were 1 yard from winning. End of story.
are people really deflecting blame off Wilson for that INT? Holy shit. Ive heard it all now.
"The play of the century".... he threw it RIGHT AT HIM!!!! Butler never even adjusted for the ball since it hit him squarely in the arms!!!
Jesus Christ, Eli gets blamed for losing a game for a 2nd quarter INT, but Giants fans are makign excuses for Wilson's INT.
What a freaking joke.
The play was telegraphed from jump - the Pats had caught it on film during their preparation and saw it play out exactly as they expected. It was a quick timing play, and Butler was jumping the route right as Wilson released the ball.
I'm not saying that Wilson deserves no blame at all, but that INT is on Carroll way more than it's on Wilson, IMO. And that's without giving any credit to Belichick and his staff for recognizing it and Butler for making the play. You're the one who said Wilson single-handedly cost his team the SB. That's either a bold-faced lie or you being willfully obtuse. Which do you prefer?
You know whats funny about you.... is that you pick and choose arguments and like to be confrontational. Its been your gig for over 15 years. I get in arguments all the time, mostly about Eli, and when poeople say stupid shit about him costing them a game - you are silent, and never say a word. But when someone says something about a player you like - you come out of the woodwork and try to intimidate people.
Wilson absolutely, positively, without a shadow of a doubt cost his team the SB. He threw the pick that ended the game. Should they have ran it? Absolutely. Should BB get credit for sniffing the play out? No doubt.
But at the end of the day, as it is said here ALL THE TIME, the QB is responsible at the end of the day. He threw the pick. It ended the game. They were 1 yard from winning. End of story.
You're 100% right - Wilson did throw the pick. He followed his instructions from above (as we have seen Eli do - albeit on a lesser stage, it's similar to Eli carrying out Coughlin's brain cramp at the goal line in the season opener against Dallas in 2015), and he would have gotten the credit had the play worked. So in that sense, you're right to point some blame toward Wilson. But I think it's unfair to say he single-handedly cost them that game when most people agree that it was a shitty play call all along.
And ill step back and say it cost them the game. What I should have said was that it ended the game. I have been a big proponent that 1 play doesnt win/lose games - so ill admit my mistake there.
I should summarize it better this way. Wilson made a mistake on the biggest stage.
But I stand firm that Eli's peak is something that Wilson hasnt matched yet. And I still think the cost of obtaining him will be way too much. Trading for him and his new contract has to be down without giving up 2 first rounders plus more.
not saying Wilsons career sucks, but to say Eli's best play hasnt approached Wilson's career is totally wrong.
Wilson was a game manager his first few years. He has more years of throwing for under 220 yards per game than throwing for more than that. He has always for the most part had one of the best defenses and run games in the NFL.
Its not take anything from him, but lets please stop with him carrying the Seahwks for his entire career.
And Eli is a game manager now. What's your point?
And again, the point that he made above was that Eli hadn't matched Wilson's career PEAK, not Wilson's career in general. Based on the fact that you have twisted his argument against him, I'm going to go ahead and presume that you do understand his point and agree with it.
Actually in 2011, Eli's peak was nothing that Wilson has come even close to matching. Which is carrying an entire unit to winning the SB.
And Eli's game now has nothing to do with what he is arguing. No one is arguing Wilson is better than Eli... now. But the cost of giving up a shit ton of draft picks and giving a guy in his mid 30s at least 35 million guaranteed is not a good a business investment.
Are you referring to Eli's full 2011 season, or just the playoff run? Because if it's the former, I'd argue that Wilson's 2017 season was every bit as impressive if not more so (with rushing stats included).
You and I both know that Eli makes for a tough comparison regardless - his career apex is tied to those two SB runs, which are both historic and legendary, but his regular season numbers don't really blow anyone away in the context of this passing era when compared to his peers. Eli's 2011 season would have been considered one of the greatest QB seasons of all time had it happened 25 years earlier. Instead, he was 4th in yards and 6th in TDs that season.
Are you referring to Eli's full 2011 season, or just the playoff run? Because if it's the former, I'd argue that Wilson's 2017 season was every bit as impressive if not more so (with rushing stats included).
You and I both know that Eli makes for a tough comparison regardless - his career apex is tied to those two SB runs, which are both historic and legendary, but his regular season numbers don't really blow anyone away in the context of this passing era when compared to his peers. Eli's 2011 season would have been considered one of the greatest QB seasons of all time had it happened 25 years earlier. Instead, he was 4th in yards and 6th in TDs that season.
I think if you combine Eli's playoff and regular season, considering what the run game and the defense did for the majority of the year, it was really really impressive. His 4th quarter play probably ranks as one of the great 4th quarter seasons ever.
If we can debate whos Peak was better - it just shows me that Eli's peak was up there with Wilson's.
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a costly mistake at the goal line is because he led the team 80 yards down the field in less than a minute, after his team took a kickoff with two minutes to go and down 4.
He's always had that ability in him, and I wager he still does and still will for far more years than Eli will.
I would move heaven and earth to get Wilson. I think he is worth 7 points a game over Eli at this point in their careers because his mobility also improves the OL. Wilson, OBJ , Barkely and Engram. We would be a KC/Rams level offense. I would love to watch that.
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a costly mistake at the goal line is because he led the team 80 yards down the field in less than a minute, after his team took a kickoff with two minutes to go and down 4.
He's always had that ability in him, and I wager he still does and still will for far more years than Eli will.
So he drove it 350 yards down the fairway, hit it within 3 feet of the pin but missed the gimme for the green jacket? Haha
If Asante Samuel holds on to that INT then hell yeah you would say the same exact thing about Eli.
You actually have to get a hand on a ball to hold onto it!!
How the fuck has that play where Samuel at the height of his jump can't touch a ball to acting as if it hit him in the numbers?
"can't touch a ball"? I mean it quite obviously and visibly bounced off of of Samuel's fingertips. Sure it was a very difficult play to make, I certainly wouldn't put it on the level of Bill Buckner or anywhere close to it, but why would you say he didn't touch it? That just makes me think you didn't see the play or have vision problems.
BTW- I think Merriweather's dropped INT later in that drive was a bigger miss than the Samuel drop. My whole point here is not that the Patriots "gifted" Eli the super bowl win or anything of that nature. I was just pointing out that Eli has benefited from a lot of luck just as Brady and all other champions have, I wasn't knocking Eli at all. I was just saying sometimes athletes have good luck sometimes bad luck. Wilson had bad luck in that his coach called a completely boneheaded play and then the DB perfectly read and jumped the route before Wilson could even pull the ball down. I was bringing up that Samuel thing in response to the notion that Eli is just so much more amazing than Wilson simply because Wilson threw that pick on the last drive and Eli didn't throw a pick on the last drive. Eli having 2 rings and RW having 1 ring says nothing about Eli necessarily being empirically better than Wilson, they were both phenomenal players but Eli happen to catch one more break than Wilson did, that's all I'm saying.
a costly mistake at the goal line is because he led the team 80 yards down the field in less than a minute, after his team took a kickoff with two minutes to go and down 4.
He's always had that ability in him, and I wager he still does and still will for far more years than Eli will.
So he drove it 350 yards down the fairway, hit it within 3 feet of the pin but missed the gimme for the green jacket? Haha
They didn't even try the gimme, which would have been to run it.
Because they know very well how you can set yourself up to win superbowls with rookie QBs allowing for splurges elsewhere. However, you have to find that rookie QB...
He's basically the 3rd or 4th best QB in the league right now, he's far from just a "scrambling QB".
That said this "news" seems like complete bullshit.
Final year of his deal. Would cost Giants $17M for this year. Can't believe he's already 31 years old...
I'm assuming Seattle would do this because they don't want to pay him the ~$30M per he'll be asking for.
She is a smoke show. I'd do what she says
Are you kidding? I'd take Wilson in a heartbeat. He's a proven winner and champion, just turned 30, and keeps his team competitive regardless of the talent around him.
Seattle would never do it in a million years though Cowherd is a bum.
I'd pay a ton for him and it would give us a vet QB that's in his prime and can make all the plays to let Bekcham and Barkley shine. Its just too good to be true, haha.
Me too.
If it needed to be via trade, that would be very, very complicated.
His career has been sneaky long. I'm fine with his age though, he avoids hits and has the skillset to have a long career. He's also a sure thing, completely worth 4/5 years of peak QB years to go along with our weapons during their peak years.
I'd bet next year's too.
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I'm not sure its a great idea to take on a scrambling QB already in his mega contract and a good deal of wear and tear but he is good.
Are you kidding? I'd take Wilson in a heartbeat. He's a proven winner and champion, just turned 30, and keeps his team competitive regardless of the talent around him.
Seattle would never do it in a million years though Cowherd is a bum.
I love the player but you have to look at the overall picture. Wilson is 31 and about to get a huge deal. Seattle have not been able to get to the superbowl since he left his rookie deal which was generous. He's now about to get paid like a megastar.
I think I'd do it but I'm not sure it gives you a better chance of winning than taking a Haskins or Murray.
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Sign me up.
I'd pay a ton for him and it would give us a vet QB that's in his prime and can make all the plays to let Bekcham and Barkley shine. Its just too good to be true, haha.
Lol yeah, probably.
I understand why they'd do it. The talent base around Wilson has deteriorated quite a bit as his cap hit has risen. Not all of that is due to cap casualties... but a lot of it is.
A lot of the guys who were key cogs there are gone.. Sherman is in SF, Chancellor retired, Bruce Irvin is gone, Earl Thomas is probably going to be gone, Michael Bennett is gone... the OL got worse.
Bobby Wagner is one of the only stars from those teams that is still there with Wilson.
I think they probably want to try and recreate the prior model with someone like Murray.
But if they're willing to part with Wilson, I am absolutely wiling to acquire AND pay him. I am confident in Wilson continuing to be a top QB for another 4-5 years.
Ehh, I'd want Wilson with Beckham. Beckham + 2 firsts + a mega deal is a ridiculous price to pay.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
So the wife wants out. Im sure Seattle really cares
Too much.
We have to pay him - so that should be factored into the price a bit.
The compensation to Seattle is the problem. The cost would likely be much too high, especially given his age.
My guess is that the Giants are just doing their due diligence by exploring all options.
And 30 mil a year PLUS eating OBJs dead money? We would be fucked. Hell no
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Apparently his wife loves and misses the east coast. And he no longer think Seattle is the best market for Wilson's brand.
So the wife wants out. Im sure Seattle really cares
My man Matty bringing it...😎
You know the agent that Cowherd got his info from? Who is it?
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Apparently his wife loves and misses the east coast. And he no longer think Seattle is the best market for Wilson's brand.
So the wife wants out. Im sure Seattle really cares
They will if he walks for nothing next year...
Total horseshit though, can't see it happening.
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...and ignore it. This is land of make believe stuff that is perfect for mid-February talk radio when nothing is going on.
You know the agent that Cowherd got his info from? Who is it?
Why are you so inclined to believe someone who, to my knowledge, has never actually broken a story? Please cite for me all the examples of Colin Cowherd reporting an unsubstantiated rumor that was later proven to be true.
It’s their own fault for being so stupid
I don’t agree. Add a top 5 QB to this roster, add the RT in FA and draft heavily on defense and we are in the playoff hunt this season. Rebuilds happen quick when opportunities like this (if it’s legit) present itself.
Yeah you couldn't be more wrong. I don't think it happens but if it did the Giants would be instant contenders in the NFC.
Does Eli go back to Seattle in the trade? I wouldn't think Seattle would have a great deal of interest, however Wilson and Eli wouldn't be on the same team, so he would have to be traded or cut.
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...and ignore it. This is land of make believe stuff that is perfect for mid-February talk radio when nothing is going on.
You know the agent that Cowherd got his info from? Who is it?
Why are you so inclined to believe someone who, to my knowledge, has never actually broken a story? Please cite for me all the examples of Colin Cowherd reporting an unsubstantiated rumor that was later proven to be true.
I'm asking you if you know who his source actually is. You're telling everyone to ignore it, but don't know who it is.
How does that make sense?
Cowherd didn't make it up.
It would leave us really thin to fix the OL and all of the holes on defense being down the premium picks and up against the cap, but hard to turn down a legit stud QB in prime of his career.
Do you overpay for everything, or just speculative trades on BBI?
No brainer for us.
Patrick Mahomes on a rookie deal for 10 years, but only if he gets a normal haircut.
I'm asking you if you know who his source actually is. You're telling everyone to ignore it, but don't know who it is.
How does that make sense?
Cowherd didn't make it up.
Cowherd has made a career out of dumb takes, so I don't happen to assume he has a reliable source. However, if "ignore" is too strong a word for you, how about simply taking this rumor with a grain of salt.
I'm sure he's not making up that someone told him this, what I doubt is that the person who told him this knows anything.
Cowherd is a fucking moron - who's to say he didn't just make it up?
If you don't, then telling people to just ignore it is stupid.
Maybe he just made this up out of thin air for kicks - I doubt it. If you read other comments here, it's not the first time this has come up or been mentioned.
Of course the odds of Russell Wilson coming here are tiny - it would be a massive, blockbuster deal.
Just not sure why we're completely dismissing the report if we don't even know who Cowherd got the info from.
I guess we could just preemptively decide it was made up or a bad source... not sure what that accomplishes, but go ahead.
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but I’m even more surprised there are people here turning their noses ip at the idea. What the f*ck do people want??
Patrick Mahomes on a rookie deal for 10 years, but only if he gets a normal haircut.
Haha!
His cap hit is exactly the same as the cap savings the Giants would gain by parting ways with Eli. So assuming an Eli trade/release prior to his roster bonus coming due, acquiring Wilson would be cap neutral for 2019.
Here's a question - to the group in general - with the cap hit for 2019 being a nonfactor, what would you trade to put Eli back in his prime with 7-8 years in front of him and to have him magically acquire some mobility that he never had?
I honestly doubt there's any real possibility of this actually happening, but the one thing that would make sense about it is that the Giants seem absolutely opposed to a teardown at the QB position and are determined to go the run-to-fail path instead. If that's the case, pursuing an established QB would be more consistent with some of the roster construction on the offensive side of the ball.
If you don't, then telling people to just ignore it is stupid.
Maybe he just made this up out of thin air for kicks - I doubt it. If you read other comments here, it's not the first time this has come up or been mentioned.
Of course the odds of Russell Wilson coming here are tiny - it would be a massive, blockbuster deal.
Just not sure why we're completely dismissing the report if we don't even know who Cowherd got the info from.
I guess we could just preemptively decide it was made up or a bad source... not sure what that accomplishes, but go ahead.
Knowing the Agent would not hurt, but I recall reading several years ago, an article by a prominent Agent(blanking on name, sorry) who said that 95% of what you hear ostensibly from inside team sources, are floated by Agents. I never forgot that and always keep that in mind
Just not sure why we're completely dismissing the report if we don't even know who Cowherd got the info from.
Because Colin Cowherd has no record of breaking news and has a history of being wrong. I can't imagine why anyone would take anything he says at face value.
In comment 14301070 bhill410 said:
I'd be thrilled to make that transition but we can't gut the team of draft picks. I'd offer a MAX of this year's #6 overall plus next year's first rounder.
I'd be thrilled to make that transition but we can't gut the team of draft picks. I'd offer a MAX of this year's #6 overall plus next year's first rounder.
For a 30-year old? And that offer wouldn't be gutting the team?
Second, I’d shit sideways if this trade happened.
Lastly, Who in their right mind would NOT move heaven and earth to make a trade for Wilson?
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All I'm asking is if you guys know which agent he got this from.
If you don't, then telling people to just ignore it is stupid.
Maybe he just made this up out of thin air for kicks - I doubt it. If you read other comments here, it's not the first time this has come up or been mentioned.
Of course the odds of Russell Wilson coming here are tiny - it would be a massive, blockbuster deal.
Just not sure why we're completely dismissing the report if we don't even know who Cowherd got the info from.
I guess we could just preemptively decide it was made up or a bad source... not sure what that accomplishes, but go ahead.
Knowing the Agent would not hurt, but I recall reading several years ago, an article by a prominent Agent(blanking on name, sorry) who said that 95% of what you hear ostensibly from inside team sources, are floated by Agents. I never forgot that and always keep that in mind
It seems like people who post inside info here are also getting that info from friends in the agency business
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going from the least athletic QB in the league to the most athletic QB in the league??
I'd be thrilled to make that transition but we can't gut the team of draft picks. I'd offer a MAX of this year's #6 overall plus next year's first rounder.
For a 30-year old? And that offer wouldn't be gutting the team?
Gutting the team by trading players they don't yet have? Did they gut the team when they traded for Eli?
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Just not sure why we're completely dismissing the report if we don't even know who Cowherd got the info from.
Because Colin Cowherd has no record of breaking news and has a history of being wrong. I can't imagine why anyone would take anything he says at face value.
It's February 20th - no one is accepting it as a fact. It's being discussed like most rumors. Who cares.
He also didn't just pull it out of thin air - he's not the first guy to mention this. It's been brought up before.
I have no idea if it's even remotely feasible, but is it that hard to believe that Seattle may want to revisit the same model that got them to back to back SB's and had them as one of the most consistently good teams in the NFC from around 2012-2017?
And hell, maybe Ciara really does want to come to the east coast. Women have ways of getting what they want.
No one's forcing you into the thread if you're so certain it's worth just writing off entirely.
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going from the least athletic QB in the league to the most athletic QB in the league??
I'd be thrilled to make that transition but we can't gut the team of draft picks. I'd offer a MAX of this year's #6 overall plus next year's first rounder.
For a 30-year old? And that offer wouldn't be gutting the team?
Gutting the team by trading players they don't yet have? Did they gut the team when they traded for Eli?
Eli wasn't 30 at the time.
Wait, a playoff team that barely lost to a better team is rebuilding?
I’d give a second round pick this year and a 1st round pick next year that turns to a 2 if we miss the playoffs.
We still have to pay him and have a lot of holes.
Second, I’d shit sideways if this trade happened.
Lastly, Who in their right mind would NOT move heaven and earth to make a trade for Wilson?
You just want it to happen so you can keep Wilson on your fantasy team. Haha.
I’d give a second round pick this year and a 1st round pick next year that turns to a 2 if we miss the playoffs.
We still have to pay him and have a lot of holes.
Offensively we have much more talent than Seattle, especially considering their OL is probably on par with ours.
But the Seattle D is a much better unit.
I'd probably offer similar compensation though, especially since we'd likely have to give Wilson 5 years/$150M. Doubt that's enough to entice Seattle though.
I am not seeing how this makes sense???
I am not seeing how this makes sense???
Huh? Rodgers doesn’t even get that
Boy, people on this forum have some WILD takes on what players are worth.
Barkley and 6th Overall for 31 year old Russell Wilson? Are you out of your mind?
I am not seeing how this makes sense???
Because it allows us to compete for a title all 5 of those years. At the end of those 4/5 years we can then move on from him, Beckham, Solder, and anyone else who we don't want to pay anymore.
It makes a ton of sense to me. Finding the next 10+ year QB requires a ton of things to fall correctly. I'm fine with a 5 year plan.
I am not seeing how this makes sense???
remember when I said that you always find something wrong with any option at QB?
This is what I was talking about.
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Everyone starts paying a guy in his 30s at least 35 million a year? For 5 years? And it will cost us at least a first and probably a lot more?
I am not seeing how this makes sense???
remember when I said that you always find something wrong with any option at QB?
This is what I was talking about.
I don't think he's questioning the person. Just the cost.
LOL...That would be an unequivical NO!
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Everyone starts paying a guy in his 30s at least 35 million a year? For 5 years? And it will cost us at least a first and probably a lot more?
I am not seeing how this makes sense???
remember when I said that you always find something wrong with any option at QB?
This is what I was talking about.
I don't think he's questioning the person. Just the cost.
Its always something....
The compensation to Seattle is the problem. The cost would likely be much too high, especially given his age.
My guess is that the Giants are just doing their due diligence by exploring all options.
$17M happens to be the cap savings if we move on from Eli. I have no problem with Eli but this is A guy 5-6 years younger who is a top 5 QB in the NFL who can scramble and create out of broken plays for the likes of Beckham and Barkley? That would be ridiculous.
2004 - 3rd Round Pick (K. N. Kaeding)
2005 - 1st Round Pick (LB Shawn Merriman)
2005 - 5th Round Pick (OT R. Oben)
The team went to the playoffs in 2005, 2006, 2007 (won SB), 2008 and 2011 (won SB).
Didn't exactly gut the team. Different circumstances, maybe. But, the trade helped produce some good results.
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going from the least athletic QB in the league to the most athletic QB in the league??
I'd be thrilled to make that transition but we can't gut the team of draft picks. I'd offer a MAX of this year's #6 overall plus next year's first rounder.
For a 30-year old? And that offer wouldn't be gutting the team?
Gutting the team by trading players they don't yet have? Did they gut the team when they traded for Eli?
Eli wasn't 30 at the time.
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big cap hit right?
His cap hit is exactly the same as the cap savings the Giants would gain by parting ways with Eli. So assuming an Eli trade/release prior to his roster bonus coming due, acquiring Wilson would be cap neutral for 2019.
Here's a question - to the group in general - with the cap hit for 2019 being a nonfactor, what would you trade to put Eli back in his prime with 7-8 years in front of him and to have him magically acquire some mobility that he never had?
I honestly doubt there's any real possibility of this actually happening, but the one thing that would make sense about it is that the Giants seem absolutely opposed to a teardown at the QB position and are determined to go the run-to-fail path instead. If that's the case, pursuing an established QB would be more consistent with some of the roster construction on the offensive side of the ball.
If the Giants want to win now and have a window for the next few years this would be a heck of a move. Would they take Eli and our #2 and then next years #2? I would hate to give up pick #6 but I would for Russel Wilson.
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big cap hit right?
His cap hit is exactly the same as the cap savings the Giants would gain by parting ways with Eli. So assuming an Eli trade/release prior to his roster bonus coming due, acquiring Wilson would be cap neutral for 2019.
Here's a question - to the group in general - with the cap hit for 2019 being a nonfactor, what would you trade to put Eli back in his prime with 7-8 years in front of him and to have him magically acquire some mobility that he never had?
I honestly doubt there's any real possibility of this actually happening, but the one thing that would make sense about it is that the Giants seem absolutely opposed to a teardown at the QB position and are determined to go the run-to-fail path instead. If that's the case, pursuing an established QB would be more consistent with some of the roster construction on the offensive side of the ball.
If the Giants want to win now and have a window for the next few years this would be a heck of a move. Would they take Eli and our #2 and then next years #2? I would hate to give up pick #6 but I would for Russel Wilson.
they wouldn't take Eli, not to mention he has a no trade clause
Perhaps they could do a conditional pick based on Wilson's performance for the 2020 pick. A certain performance gives them a RD1. If the Giants are horrible and earn a high pick, they get a RD2, instead of the RD1. Something like that.
Maybe they could go to the 2021 draft for another, conditionally as well (a lower pick, like a RD3 or RD4, or lower).
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big cap hit right?
His cap hit is exactly the same as the cap savings the Giants would gain by parting ways with Eli. So assuming an Eli trade/release prior to his roster bonus coming due, acquiring Wilson would be cap neutral for 2019.
Here's a question - to the group in general - with the cap hit for 2019 being a nonfactor, what would you trade to put Eli back in his prime with 7-8 years in front of him and to have him magically acquire some mobility that he never had?
I honestly doubt there's any real possibility of this actually happening, but the one thing that would make sense about it is that the Giants seem absolutely opposed to a teardown at the QB position and are determined to go the run-to-fail path instead. If that's the case, pursuing an established QB would be more consistent with some of the roster construction on the offensive side of the ball.
If the Giants want to win now and have a window for the next few years this would be a heck of a move. Would they take Eli and our #2 and then next years #2? I would hate to give up pick #6 but I would for Russel Wilson.
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big cap hit right?
His cap hit is exactly the same as the cap savings the Giants would gain by parting ways with Eli. So assuming an Eli trade/release prior to his roster bonus coming due, acquiring Wilson would be cap neutral for 2019.
Here's a question - to the group in general - with the cap hit for 2019 being a nonfactor, what would you trade to put Eli back in his prime with 7-8 years in front of him and to have him magically acquire some mobility that he never had?
I honestly doubt there's any real possibility of this actually happening, but the one thing that would make sense about it is that the Giants seem absolutely opposed to a teardown at the QB position and are determined to go the run-to-fail path instead. If that's the case, pursuing an established QB would be more consistent with some of the roster construction on the offensive side of the ball.
If the Giants want to win now and have a window for the next few years this would be a heck of a move. Would they take Eli and our #2 and then next years #2? I would hate to give up pick #6 but I would for Russel Wilson.
I think if we don't want to part ways with #6 we'd need to give up next year's 1st rounder.
Eli, 2019 2nd rounder, 2020 1st rounder... This would give the Seahawks a chance to get the QB they want next year (when there are actually decent QBs) and still have a QB in Eli to transition to the future. This would also let the Giants to keep #6 and get an elite edge rusher and then they could part ways with Vernon. They'd then have the cap room and the main pieces in place needed to compete the next 3-4 years with Wilson, Barkley, and OBJ all in their prime.
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big cap hit right?
His cap hit is exactly the same as the cap savings the Giants would gain by parting ways with Eli. So assuming an Eli trade/release prior to his roster bonus coming due, acquiring Wilson would be cap neutral for 2019.
Here's a question - to the group in general - with the cap hit for 2019 being a nonfactor, what would you trade to put Eli back in his prime with 7-8 years in front of him and to have him magically acquire some mobility that he never had?
I honestly doubt there's any real possibility of this actually happening, but the one thing that would make sense about it is that the Giants seem absolutely opposed to a teardown at the QB position and are determined to go the run-to-fail path instead. If that's the case, pursuing an established QB would be more consistent with some of the roster construction on the offensive side of the ball.
If the Giants want to win now and have a window for the next few years this would be a heck of a move. Would they take Eli and our #2 and then next years #2? I would hate to give up pick #6 but I would for Russel Wilson.
I think if we don't want to part ways with #6 we'd need to give up next year's 1st rounder.
Eli, 2019 2nd rounder, 2020 1st rounder... This would give the Seahawks a chance to get the QB they want next year (when there are actually decent QBs) and still have a QB in Eli to transition to the future. This would also let the Giants to keep #6 and get an elite edge rusher and then they could part ways with Vernon. They'd then have the cap room and the main pieces in place needed to compete the next 3-4 years with Wilson, Barkley, and OBJ all in their prime.
Leg, you may be right if not this years #1, next years. Would love Wilson on this team and his ability to extend plays. Imagine that with Barkley and Beckham an extra second or 2 to get open or improvise?
Really? Did we trade for a defense as well?
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But hypothetically would you give up the 6 and Barkley... My immediate reaction is heck no, but then when you take a step back - if you feel that he is indeed a top 3/4 qb in the league is it an unjustified request?
Boy, people on this forum have some WILD takes on what players are worth.
Barkley and 6th Overall for 31 year old Russell Wilson? Are you out of your mind?
This. He's in the last year of his contract. 6 overall would be too much on its own.
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But hypothetically would you give up the 6 and Barkley... My immediate reaction is heck no, but then when you take a step back - if you feel that he is indeed a top 3/4 qb in the league is it an unjustified request?
Boy, people on this forum have some WILD takes on what players are worth.
Barkley and 6th Overall for 31 year old Russell Wilson? Are you out of your mind?
This. He's in the last year of his contract. 6 overall would be too much on its own.
Shurmur said he was 'fond' of mobile QBs. He did pretty well with Keenum who could scramble a bit and create. Gettleman is not tied to Eli like the previous regime was and DG has proven he is not afraid of making big moves.
Not saying it will happen obviously but if he is available Giants might at least make a serious offer.
If obj or other high priced vets are involved, I would be all for it. SB is off the table and Don want to give up a ton of picks.
LOL
easy does it...
your crazy if you think it would cost that little plus getting their first round pick.
Has an elite qb ever been traded before?
It would take #1 this year & next year to START
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Everyone starts paying a guy in his 30s at least 35 million a year? For 5 years? And it will cost us at least a first and probably a lot more?
I am not seeing how this makes sense???
remember when I said that you always find something wrong with any option at QB?
This is what I was talking about.
You’re not very bright and I say this will 100% certainty.
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Everyone starts paying a guy in his 30s at least 35 million a year? For 5 years? And it will cost us at least a first and probably a lot more?
I am not seeing how this makes sense???
remember when I said that you always find something wrong with any option at QB?
This is what I was talking about.
You’re not very bright and I say this will 100% certainty.
lol OK
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Everyone starts paying a guy in his 30s at least 35 million a year? For 5 years? And it will cost us at least a first and probably a lot more?
I am not seeing how this makes sense???
Because it allows us to compete for a title all 5 of those years. At the end of those 4/5 years we can then move on from him, Beckham, Solder, and anyone else who we don't want to pay anymore.
It makes a ton of sense to me. Finding the next 10+ year QB requires a ton of things to fall correctly. I'm fine with a 5 year plan.
Are we a Wilson away? I don’t know?
No thanks. Would rather draft Kyler Murray.
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Everyone starts paying a guy in his 30s at least 35 million a year? For 5 years? And it will cost us at least a first and probably a lot more?
I am not seeing how this makes sense???
remember when I said that you always find something wrong with any option at QB?
This is what I was talking about.
I don't think he's questioning the person. Just the cost.
Its always something....
So other than this draft class and spending and giving up an insane amount for Wilson.... what have I dismissed? This should be funny zzz
If obj or other high priced vets are involved, I would be all for it. SB is off the table and Don want to give up a ton of picks.
I guess you're getting jealous of the other trolls getting all your attention and decided to go all-in?
Much better option and the one Seattle likes in this hypothetical. (4-5 cost controlled years.)
Yep. I bet Carol thinks he can do what he did with Wilson with Murray. Cheap contract, spend on defense and be a running based offense with a shifty QB with talent he won’t have to overly rely on.
One guy is a Super Bowl champion and one guy still needs to be measured.
One guy is a Super Bowl champion and one guy still needs to be measured.
No one is making that assumption. Kyler Murray doesn't have to be as good as Wilson in order to be the better play. He'll be cheaper to get, and cheaper to pay once we get him.
I also don't like the idea of Wilson wanting to go to a team because he or his wife want to be in NYC. Once guys start operating that way they've already got a foot out of their football career and into the next thing.
Why not? He is one of the top quarterbacks in the league and should be that way for another five years or so
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Everyone starts paying a guy in his 30s at least 35 million a year? For 5 years? And it will cost us at least a first and probably a lot more?
I am not seeing how this makes sense???
remember when I said that you always find something wrong with any option at QB?
This is what I was talking about.
I don't think he's questioning the person. Just the cost.
Its always something....
So other than this draft class and spending and giving up an insane amount for Wilson.... what have I dismissed? This should be funny zzz
all QBs in this class
Russel willson
Any cheap stop gap option
I'm sure there are other ideas thrown out there that you shot down for one reason or another.
And I acknowledged these QBs this year.
So you really brought nothing else to the table. No other names. Par for the course. Great job.
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Assuming Kyler Murray = Russell Wilson is dangerous.
One guy is a Super Bowl champion and one guy still needs to be measured.
No one is making that assumption. Kyler Murray doesn't have to be as good as Wilson in order to be the better play. He'll be cheaper to get, and cheaper to pay once we get him.
I also don't like the idea of Wilson wanting to go to a team because he or his wife want to be in NYC. Once guys start operating that way they've already got a foot out of their football career and into the next thing.
Murray is still a complete unknown. I know I can win a Super Bowl with Russell Wilson. I have no idea if I can do that with Murray. I don't even know if I can play 16 games with Murray.
Hell, I don't even know how fucking tall Kyler Murray is.
Wilson isn't the type of guy who is going to half-ass playing football. I would have absolutely no concern over any of that. That's not his persona.
Wilson doesn't miss games. He's been out there every single week since he's been in the league. I'm wiling to pay for that and pay for a known quantity.
You are on the record saying you'd pay a great QB - you think it's worth it to pay guys like Rodgers, etc... now you're going back on that? I can't keep track of any of your logic - it seems like it's just "choose the opposite stance of wherever most people are leaning"
Murray could have tiny hands for all we know and be 5'8". But we're already fine penciling him in over RW in the name of cap space. Oy.
Cheaper? Yes. Easier? How?
Wilson is real. He would be 31 and still in the prime of his Hall of Fame run. He's proven to be a rare player who can make chicken salad. And I wouldn't rule out that he could be Brady-esque and be willing to take less b/c his wife produces big coin.
Murray is a dream.
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Why not just move up and draft Murray? That figures to be a lot easier and cheaper.
Cheaper? Yes. Easier? How?
Wilson is real. He would be 31 and still in the prime of his Hall of Fame run. He's proven to be a rare player who can make chicken salad. And I wouldn't rule out that he could be Brady-esque and be willing to take less b/c his wife produces big coin.
Murray is a dream.
Cousins got 28 million guaranteed over 3 years....
Wilson wants 4 years 140 million guaranteed... you say?
Cousins got 28 million guaranteed over 3 years....
Wilson wants 4 years 140 million guaranteed... you say?
Rodgers was 4/$134...right? And he's 35-ish.
At 31, that may be worth it.
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Why not just move up and draft Murray? That figures to be a lot easier and cheaper.
Cheaper? Yes. Easier? How?
Wilson is real. He would be 31 and still in the prime of his Hall of Fame run. He's proven to be a rare player who can make chicken salad. And I wouldn't rule out that he could be Brady-esque and be willing to take less b/c his wife produces big coin.
Murray is a dream.
Cousins got 28 million guaranteed over 3 years....
Wilson wants 4 years 140 million guaranteed... you say?
dep, why are you getting so shook up about the money lol it's not like it's your bank account they're paying him out of right? Haven't you been the biggest Eli supporter on this board? Eli's been a huge cap hit on this team every year for the past decade. Should we have let Eli go because he was too pricy? The cap keeps going up and up and I imagine Wilson's cap hit as a % over the next 5 years will be similar to what Eli's cap hit as a % has been the past 5 years. You don't think we stand to get a better bang for our buck with a prime Russell Wilson?
Wilson will be paid whatever is commensurate with his ability, sure it will be a lot but I'm not sure it'll be quite as much as Rodgers got. That shouldn't be a reason we turn down an opportunity to have one of the best players in the league at the most important position on the field. There are a lot riskier things we could do with $30M per year than spend it on a top QB who has a super bowl ring, has never been injured, is yet to have a losing season in the NFL (despite being on some crappy teams here and there), has a half-decade of his prime left, and by all accounts is a model citizen, teammate, and team-spokesperson.
Russell Wilson is the type of QB that can make a bad team decent, a decent team good, and a good team championship-caliber. I actually said on a thread earlier this year he is the one guy who MIGHT have been able to pull off a winning season with this 2018 Giants team. His mobility and smarts work to mask a lot of deficiencies (our o-line for instance) and his versatility and talents work to take full advantage of the assets we DO have (Barkley and Beckham). He would be worth every cent of $30 mill/yr if that's what he got.
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Why not just move up and draft Murray? That figures to be a lot easier and cheaper.
Cheaper? Yes. Easier? How?
Wilson is real. He would be 31 and still in the prime of his Hall of Fame run. He's proven to be a rare player who can make chicken salad. And I wouldn't rule out that he could be Brady-esque and be willing to take less b/c his wife produces big coin.
Murray is a dream.
Cousins got 28 million guaranteed over 3 years....
Wilson wants 4 years 140 million guaranteed... you say?
dep, why are you getting so shook up about the money lol it's not like it's your bank account they're paying him out of right? Haven't you been the biggest Eli supporter on this board? Eli's been a huge cap hit on this team every year for the past decade. Should we have let Eli go because he was too pricy? The cap keeps going up and up and I imagine Wilson's cap hit as a % over the next 5 years will be similar to what Eli's cap hit as a % has been the past 5 years. You don't think we stand to get a better bang for our buck with a prime Russell Wilson?
Wilson will be paid whatever is commensurate with his ability, sure it will be a lot but I'm not sure it'll be quite as much as Rodgers got. That shouldn't be a reason we turn down an opportunity to have one of the best players in the league at the most important position on the field. There are a lot riskier things we could do with $30M per year than spend it on a top QB who has a super bowl ring, has never been injured, is yet to have a losing season in the NFL (despite being on some crappy teams here and there), has a half-decade of his prime left, and by all accounts is a model citizen, teammate, and team-spokesperson.
Russell Wilson is the type of QB that can make a bad team decent, a decent team good, and a good team championship-caliber. I actually said on a thread earlier this year he is the one guy who MIGHT have been able to pull off a winning season with this 2018 Giants team. His mobility and smarts work to mask a lot of deficiencies (our o-line for instance) and his versatility and talents work to take full advantage of the assets we DO have (Barkley and Beckham). He would be worth every cent of $30 mill/yr if that's what he got.
1. He’s getting more than 30 million.
2. He’s going to cost at least 2 first round picks.
3. His contract will be the biggest in NFL history. And the older one gets, the lesser you want him scrambling. Signing him for 5-6 years at age 32 isn’t smart.
4. Putting your eggs in Wilson while giving up multiple first round picks doesn’t help the team. We will still have a shitty defense and OL that is porous.
Yes he will make us better... but we aren’t a Russell Wilson away from the SB.
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This would be the most shocking nyg trade in my lifetime.
Second, I’d shit sideways if this trade happened.
Lastly, Who in their right mind would NOT move heaven and earth to make a trade for Wilson?
You just want it to happen so you can keep Wilson on your fantasy team. Haha.
Haha — honestly I’d be a little more leery if it... oh who am I kidding.
Dave Gettleman thinking...
... "John's old man traded for Tarkenton. Wilson reminds me of Tarkenton. The Giants never won shit with Tarkenton. Then they traded him back to the Vikings after a few years. I'd give Seattle Eli and a fourth rounder. Or pass."
A few years?! That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works!!!
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If we got Wilson. Draft Murray and have him sit behind Wilson for a few years and learn from one of the best, on how to play the position, with their stature.
A few years?! That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works!!!
I know, right!!
~Aaron Rodgers~
Dude.. that’s beyond unreasonable.
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If we got Wilson. Draft Murray and have him sit behind Wilson for a few years and learn from one of the best, on how to play the position, with their stature.
A few years?! That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works!!!
I know, right!!
~Aaron Rodgers~
Um that was 14 years ago before contracts were, oh forget it I can’t be bothered
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Assuming Kyler Murray = Russell Wilson is dangerous.
One guy is a Super Bowl champion and one guy still needs to be measured.
No one is making that assumption. Kyler Murray doesn't have to be as good as Wilson in order to be the better play. He'll be cheaper to get, and cheaper to pay once we get him.
I also don't like the idea of Wilson wanting to go to a team because he or his wife want to be in NYC. Once guys start operating that way they've already got a foot out of their football career and into the next thing.
Happy wife = Happy Life?
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I'd pay a ton for him and it would give us a vet QB that's in his prime and can make all the plays to let Bekcham and Barkley shine. Its just too good to be true, haha.
2 #1's, sign me up. And a 2nd? Sign me up. oh, you want a 3rd? Sign me up
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Sign me up.
I'd pay a ton for him and it would give us a vet QB that's in his prime and can make all the plays to let Bekcham and Barkley shine. Its just too good to be true, haha.
2 #1's, sign me up. And a 2nd? Sign me up. oh, you want a 3rd? Sign me up
Absolutely insane/ We ever did this..... we would be worse for ages.
If we were lucky enough to add Wilson, we would be very close to contention again. I'll remind folks that Seattle was saddled with a broken D and a shoddy O-line and have still found ways to win. If we can add him it should be seriously considered.
Holy shit. This place is unbearable. I know one thing... Eli never cost his team a fucking super bowl.
Did Russell Wilson? You bet your ass he did.
Holy shit. This place is unbearable. I know one thing... Eli never cost his team a fucking super bowl.
Did Russell Wilson? You bet your ass he did.
Do you consider "career" and "career peak" synonymous?
Wake us all up when Russell Wilson is flirting with a career W/L record below .500 despite having been paid more than any other player in the history of the NFL.
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Sign me up.
I'd pay a ton for him and it would give us a vet QB that's in his prime and can make all the plays to let Bekcham and Barkley shine. Its just too good to be true, haha.
2 #1's, sign me up. And a 2nd? Sign me up. oh, you want a 3rd? Sign me up
Absolutely insane/ We ever did this..... we would be worse for ages.
What if it's only two #1s, a #3 and a #5? Would that make us worse for ages?
Eli will pass Peyton this season.
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Sign me up.
I'd pay a ton for him and it would give us a vet QB that's in his prime and can make all the plays to let Bekcham and Barkley shine. Its just too good to be true, haha.
2 #1's, sign me up. And a 2nd? Sign me up. oh, you want a 3rd? Sign me up
Absolutely insane/ We ever did this..... we would be worse for ages.
What if it's only two #1s, a #3 and a #5? Would that make us worse for ages?
Why two number one's? The giants paid a 1 3 5 for manning. That is what you were getting at right?
Holy shit. This place is unbearable. I know one thing... Eli never cost his team a fucking super bowl.
Did Russell Wilson? You bet your ass he did.
JESUS CHRIST. You are going to take that one play from that one game and write off his whole career because of it?
If Asante Samuel holds on to that INT then hell yeah you would say the same exact thing about Eli. Eli deserves plenty of credit for his accomplishments but don't sit here and act like he didn't benefit from a little bit of luck particularly in XLII. Fortunes went AGAINST Wilson in XLIX but sometimes that's just the way the cookie crumbles.
Meanwhile RW has started every single game since he was a rookie, has a career record of 75-36-1, has never had a losing season, career RATING over 100, TD:INT ratio better than 3:1, 64.2% completion %. Not to mention averaging about 500 yds rushing per season. I love Eli but in certain important categories he's never come close to matching Wilson's year-in-year-out production, not to mention RW HAS gotten it done in big spots and on the biggest stage of all.
For you to point to 1 INT that lost them a super bowl? Where the DB made pretty much the play of the century? And it was mostly his coach's fault for the awful play call? You're clearly just being willfully ignorant. Meanwhile Eli threw about 3 passes on that final drive that easily could have been picked off (thank god they weren't) and you want to put him on some pedestal as this infallible god who is head and shoulders above Wilson? Again, I love Eli, but you take this shit too far sometimes man.
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Sign me up.
I'd pay a ton for him and it would give us a vet QB that's in his prime and can make all the plays to let Bekcham and Barkley shine. Its just too good to be true, haha.
2 #1's, sign me up. And a 2nd? Sign me up. oh, you want a 3rd? Sign me up
Absolutely insane/ We ever did this..... we would be worse for ages.
What if it's only two #1s, a #3 and a #5? Would that make us worse for ages?
Why two number one's? The giants paid a 1 3 5 for manning. That is what you were getting at right?
They gave up their #1 in 2004, their #1 in 2005, their #3 in 2004 and their #5 in 2005.
You actually have to get a hand on a ball to hold onto it!!
How the fuck has that play where Samuel at the height of his jump can't touch a ball to acting as if it hit him in the numbers?
"The play of the century".... he threw it RIGHT AT HIM!!!! Butler never even adjusted for the ball since it hit him squarely in the arms!!!
Jesus Christ, Eli gets blamed for losing a game for a 2nd quarter INT, but Giants fans are makign excuses for Wilson's INT.
What a freaking joke.
Wilson was a game manager his first few years. He has more years of throwing for under 220 yards per game than throwing for more than that. He has always for the most part had one of the best defenses and run games in the NFL.
Its not take anything from him, but lets please stop with him carrying the Seahwks for his entire career.
Wilson was a game manager his first few years. He has more years of throwing for under 220 yards per game than throwing for more than that. He has always for the most part had one of the best defenses and run games in the NFL.
Its not take anything from him, but lets please stop with him carrying the Seahwks for his entire career.
And Eli is a game manager now. What's your point?
And again, the point that he made above was that Eli hadn't matched Wilson's career PEAK, not Wilson's career in general. Based on the fact that you have twisted his argument against him, I'm going to go ahead and presume that you do understand his point and agree with it.
"The play of the century".... he threw it RIGHT AT HIM!!!! Butler never even adjusted for the ball since it hit him squarely in the arms!!!
Jesus Christ, Eli gets blamed for losing a game for a 2nd quarter INT, but Giants fans are makign excuses for Wilson's INT.
What a freaking joke.
The play was telegraphed from jump - the Pats had caught it on film during their preparation and saw it play out exactly as they expected. It was a quick timing play, and Butler was jumping the route right as Wilson released the ball.
I'm not saying that Wilson deserves no blame at all, but that INT is on Carroll way more than it's on Wilson, IMO. And that's without giving any credit to Belichick and his staff for recognizing it and Butler for making the play. You're the one who said Wilson single-handedly cost his team the SB. That's either a bold-faced lie or you being willfully obtuse. Which do you prefer?
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not saying Wilsons career sucks, but to say Eli's best play hasnt approached Wilson's career is totally wrong.
Wilson was a game manager his first few years. He has more years of throwing for under 220 yards per game than throwing for more than that. He has always for the most part had one of the best defenses and run games in the NFL.
Its not take anything from him, but lets please stop with him carrying the Seahwks for his entire career.
And Eli is a game manager now. What's your point?
And again, the point that he made above was that Eli hadn't matched Wilson's career PEAK, not Wilson's career in general. Based on the fact that you have twisted his argument against him, I'm going to go ahead and presume that you do understand his point and agree with it.
Actually in 2011, Eli's peak was nothing that Wilson has come even close to matching. Which is carrying an entire unit to winning the SB.
And Eli's game now has nothing to do with what he is arguing. No one is arguing Wilson is better than Eli... now. But the cost of giving up a shit ton of draft picks and giving a guy in his mid 30s at least 35 million guaranteed is not a good a business investment.
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are people really deflecting blame off Wilson for that INT? Holy shit. Ive heard it all now.
"The play of the century".... he threw it RIGHT AT HIM!!!! Butler never even adjusted for the ball since it hit him squarely in the arms!!!
Jesus Christ, Eli gets blamed for losing a game for a 2nd quarter INT, but Giants fans are makign excuses for Wilson's INT.
What a freaking joke.
The play was telegraphed from jump - the Pats had caught it on film during their preparation and saw it play out exactly as they expected. It was a quick timing play, and Butler was jumping the route right as Wilson released the ball.
I'm not saying that Wilson deserves no blame at all, but that INT is on Carroll way more than it's on Wilson, IMO. And that's without giving any credit to Belichick and his staff for recognizing it and Butler for making the play. You're the one who said Wilson single-handedly cost his team the SB. That's either a bold-faced lie or you being willfully obtuse. Which do you prefer?
You know whats funny about you.... is that you pick and choose arguments and like to be confrontational. Its been your gig for over 15 years. I get in arguments all the time, mostly about Eli, and when poeople say stupid shit about him costing them a game - you are silent, and never say a word. But when someone says something about a player you like - you come out of the woodwork and try to intimidate people.
Wilson absolutely, positively, without a shadow of a doubt cost his team the SB. He threw the pick that ended the game. Should they have ran it? Absolutely. Should BB get credit for sniffing the play out? No doubt.
But at the end of the day, as it is said here ALL THE TIME, the QB is responsible at the end of the day. He threw the pick. It ended the game. They were 1 yard from winning. End of story.
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are people really deflecting blame off Wilson for that INT? Holy shit. Ive heard it all now.
"The play of the century".... he threw it RIGHT AT HIM!!!! Butler never even adjusted for the ball since it hit him squarely in the arms!!!
Jesus Christ, Eli gets blamed for losing a game for a 2nd quarter INT, but Giants fans are makign excuses for Wilson's INT.
What a freaking joke.
The play was telegraphed from jump - the Pats had caught it on film during their preparation and saw it play out exactly as they expected. It was a quick timing play, and Butler was jumping the route right as Wilson released the ball.
I'm not saying that Wilson deserves no blame at all, but that INT is on Carroll way more than it's on Wilson, IMO. And that's without giving any credit to Belichick and his staff for recognizing it and Butler for making the play. You're the one who said Wilson single-handedly cost his team the SB. That's either a bold-faced lie or you being willfully obtuse. Which do you prefer?
You know whats funny about you.... is that you pick and choose arguments and like to be confrontational. Its been your gig for over 15 years. I get in arguments all the time, mostly about Eli, and when poeople say stupid shit about him costing them a game - you are silent, and never say a word. But when someone says something about a player you like - you come out of the woodwork and try to intimidate people.
Wilson absolutely, positively, without a shadow of a doubt cost his team the SB. He threw the pick that ended the game. Should they have ran it? Absolutely. Should BB get credit for sniffing the play out? No doubt.
But at the end of the day, as it is said here ALL THE TIME, the QB is responsible at the end of the day. He threw the pick. It ended the game. They were 1 yard from winning. End of story.
You're 100% right - Wilson did throw the pick. He followed his instructions from above (as we have seen Eli do - albeit on a lesser stage, it's similar to Eli carrying out Coughlin's brain cramp at the goal line in the season opener against Dallas in 2015), and he would have gotten the credit had the play worked. So in that sense, you're right to point some blame toward Wilson. But I think it's unfair to say he single-handedly cost them that game when most people agree that it was a shitty play call all along.
And ill step back and say it cost them the game. What I should have said was that it ended the game. I have been a big proponent that 1 play doesnt win/lose games - so ill admit my mistake there.
I should summarize it better this way. Wilson made a mistake on the biggest stage.
But I stand firm that Eli's peak is something that Wilson hasnt matched yet. And I still think the cost of obtaining him will be way too much. Trading for him and his new contract has to be down without giving up 2 first rounders plus more.
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not saying Wilsons career sucks, but to say Eli's best play hasnt approached Wilson's career is totally wrong.
Wilson was a game manager his first few years. He has more years of throwing for under 220 yards per game than throwing for more than that. He has always for the most part had one of the best defenses and run games in the NFL.
Its not take anything from him, but lets please stop with him carrying the Seahwks for his entire career.
And Eli is a game manager now. What's your point?
And again, the point that he made above was that Eli hadn't matched Wilson's career PEAK, not Wilson's career in general. Based on the fact that you have twisted his argument against him, I'm going to go ahead and presume that you do understand his point and agree with it.
Actually in 2011, Eli's peak was nothing that Wilson has come even close to matching. Which is carrying an entire unit to winning the SB.
And Eli's game now has nothing to do with what he is arguing. No one is arguing Wilson is better than Eli... now. But the cost of giving up a shit ton of draft picks and giving a guy in his mid 30s at least 35 million guaranteed is not a good a business investment.
Are you referring to Eli's full 2011 season, or just the playoff run? Because if it's the former, I'd argue that Wilson's 2017 season was every bit as impressive if not more so (with rushing stats included).
You and I both know that Eli makes for a tough comparison regardless - his career apex is tied to those two SB runs, which are both historic and legendary, but his regular season numbers don't really blow anyone away in the context of this passing era when compared to his peers. Eli's 2011 season would have been considered one of the greatest QB seasons of all time had it happened 25 years earlier. Instead, he was 4th in yards and 6th in TDs that season.
Are you referring to Eli's full 2011 season, or just the playoff run? Because if it's the former, I'd argue that Wilson's 2017 season was every bit as impressive if not more so (with rushing stats included).
You and I both know that Eli makes for a tough comparison regardless - his career apex is tied to those two SB runs, which are both historic and legendary, but his regular season numbers don't really blow anyone away in the context of this passing era when compared to his peers. Eli's 2011 season would have been considered one of the greatest QB seasons of all time had it happened 25 years earlier. Instead, he was 4th in yards and 6th in TDs that season.
I think if you combine Eli's playoff and regular season, considering what the run game and the defense did for the majority of the year, it was really really impressive. His 4th quarter play probably ranks as one of the great 4th quarter seasons ever.
If we can debate whos Peak was better - it just shows me that Eli's peak was up there with Wilson's.
He's always had that ability in him, and I wager he still does and still will for far more years than Eli will.
He's always had that ability in him, and I wager he still does and still will for far more years than Eli will.
So he drove it 350 yards down the fairway, hit it within 3 feet of the pin but missed the gimme for the green jacket? Haha
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If Asante Samuel holds on to that INT then hell yeah you would say the same exact thing about Eli.
You actually have to get a hand on a ball to hold onto it!!
How the fuck has that play where Samuel at the height of his jump can't touch a ball to acting as if it hit him in the numbers?
"can't touch a ball"? I mean it quite obviously and visibly bounced off of of Samuel's fingertips. Sure it was a very difficult play to make, I certainly wouldn't put it on the level of Bill Buckner or anywhere close to it, but why would you say he didn't touch it? That just makes me think you didn't see the play or have vision problems.
BTW- I think Merriweather's dropped INT later in that drive was a bigger miss than the Samuel drop. My whole point here is not that the Patriots "gifted" Eli the super bowl win or anything of that nature. I was just pointing out that Eli has benefited from a lot of luck just as Brady and all other champions have, I wasn't knocking Eli at all. I was just saying sometimes athletes have good luck sometimes bad luck. Wilson had bad luck in that his coach called a completely boneheaded play and then the DB perfectly read and jumped the route before Wilson could even pull the ball down. I was bringing up that Samuel thing in response to the notion that Eli is just so much more amazing than Wilson simply because Wilson threw that pick on the last drive and Eli didn't throw a pick on the last drive. Eli having 2 rings and RW having 1 ring says nothing about Eli necessarily being empirically better than Wilson, they were both phenomenal players but Eli happen to catch one more break than Wilson did, that's all I'm saying.
A move like this is super bold. We would get better short term. Its a move that makes or break a GM.
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A move like this is super bold. We would get better short term. Its a move that makes or break a GM.
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a costly mistake at the goal line is because he led the team 80 yards down the field in less than a minute, after his team took a kickoff with two minutes to go and down 4.
He's always had that ability in him, and I wager he still does and still will for far more years than Eli will.
So he drove it 350 yards down the fairway, hit it within 3 feet of the pin but missed the gimme for the green jacket? Haha
They didn't even try the gimme, which would have been to run it.