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nygiants16 : 2/20/2019 3:22 pm
According to Sam Amick the reason he believes the Knicks hype when it comes to durant is because his people and agent are telling people about the new york possibility...

Says he does not think being around the warriors that going for a 4th straight would work
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RE: RE: When has the worst team in the league ever bagged a player like Durant  
ghost718 : 2/20/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14301340 nygiants16 said:
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celtics when they got garnett and won the championship the next year


Garnett was not on his level

You're asking a guy who left a much better team than the Knicks in OKC,to come play in New York to help his legacy.
Well, the reality is that the knicks have never been set up like they  
Heisenberg : 2/20/2019 4:17 pm : link
are now. They have no bad contracts, lots of cap room and plenty of assets. It's never been like this in my lifetime as a fan.

So, it's true that they haven't ever bagged a star, but they also haven't ever been set up like this. They have a good on court sales pitch. They can get two stars and then use the assets to bring in other players to fill out the rest of the roles.

The only way this ends poorly is if they use the cap room unwisely. Otherwise, the Knicks are in a better position to build a good team than they've been in a long time.
Imagine if the Durant camp is fucking with Knick fans  
The_Boss : 2/20/2019 6:03 pm : link
And he re-ups with the Warriors in July. All this smoke and in the end it’s all just one cock tease. That would suck.
Post is reporting that Kleinman may get a front office position  
Pan-handler : 2/20/2019 6:22 pm : link
If Durant comes to the Knicks. If true they are selling out to give Durant basically anything he wants to come here.

And Cook his long time buddy. He would be surrounded by his long time friends basically.

You'd potentially have

Kyrie
Jordan
Cook
Kleinman

All as part of the team in some capacity
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I've been saying it for months & months & months...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/20/2019 6:24 pm : link
KD is coming.
RE: Imagine if the Durant camp is fucking with Knick fans  
nygiants16 : 2/20/2019 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14301499 The_Boss said:
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And he re-ups with the Warriors in July. All this smoke and in the end it’s all just one cock tease. That would suck.


kleinman is very close with mills, highly doubt he would do that to him
RE: I've been saying it for months & months & months...  
Pan-handler : 2/20/2019 6:30 pm : link
In comment 14301522 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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KD is coming.


The smoke is pretty ridiculous at this point. Even if somehow Kyrie does not come as the 2nd max there are so many strong FAs in this class. With KD on board itd be hard to see one of them not wanting to come here.

Amd if we get a top 2 pick the chances of AD go up dramatically. Even though I still think we can make a strong offer with a top 4 pick (if a couple guys rise before the draft).
RE: RE: Imagine if the Durant camp is fucking with Knick fans  
Pan-handler : 2/20/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14301524 nygiants16 said:
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And he re-ups with the Warriors in July. All this smoke and in the end it’s all just one cock tease. That would suck.



kleinman is very close with mills, highly doubt he would do that to him


What is KDs relationship with Fiz? Is it close or he just thinks highly of him by what hes heard?
RE: Well if Durant  
ColHowPepper : 2/20/2019 6:44 pm : link
In comment 14301323 bceagle05 said:
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wants to do the exact opposite of joining a 73-win Warriors team to change his image, maybe the Knicks' ineptitude will finally pay dividends...
LOL, bc. And I guess Durant would be a 'great fit' for most any lottery contender needing a super star.
RE: RE: RE: Imagine if the Durant camp is fucking with Knick fans  
nygiants16 : 2/20/2019 7:00 pm : link
In comment 14301527 Pan-handler said:
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And he re-ups with the Warriors in July. All this smoke and in the end it’s all just one cock tease. That would suck.



kleinman is very close with mills, highly doubt he would do that to him



What is KDs relationship with Fiz? Is it close or he just thinks highly of him by what hes heard?


I think it is from what he has heard
Non Knick fan here  
UConn4523 : 2/20/2019 7:52 pm : link
and even I want him to go there. I think he will realize how he will be treated in NY, especially if he can take them deep to the playoffs. He’s got nothing to lose either from a legacy standpoint, everyone wins.

The Garden was packed when shitty Carmelo Anthony was there, it’s goong to be nuts if Durant comes.
RE: Non Knick fan here  
nygiants16 : 2/20/2019 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14301594 UConn4523 said:
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and even I want him to go there. I think he will realize how he will be treated in NY, especially if he can take them deep to the playoffs. He’s got nothing to lose either from a legacy standpoint, everyone wins.

The Garden was packed when shitty Carmelo Anthony was there, it’s goong to be nuts if Durant comes.


plus he is not coming alone
What is KD's relationship with his father?  
Dr. D : 2/20/2019 7:58 pm : link
I read that his dad is a lifelong Knicks fan? Anyone know if that's true? I was really skeptical about why the hell KD would leave GS to come to our crapfest, before I read that and about some of his other relationships.

If true, I hope he and his dad are TIGHT and he wants to make him REALLY happy.

I think he's somewhat close to his old man, though  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/20/2019 8:06 pm : link
I he split on his Mom early on in KD's lifetime. They're not MJ/James Jordan Sr. like close, but they're not estranged either.
Agents comments are totally meaningless  
Vanzetti : 2/20/2019 8:15 pm : link
They try to make it seem as many teams as possible are after their player
forget the relationships, look at the smoke  
nygiants16 : 2/20/2019 8:15 pm : link
zach lowe laughs on a podcast when someone says the knicks could screw this up...

Woj changed his stance and now says it is a real possibility..

sam amick says his agent is talking openly about new york...

durant moving his business to new york..

evwry analyst says it is the knicks
RE: Agents comments are totally meaningless  
nygiants16 : 2/20/2019 8:16 pm : link
In comment 14301617 Vanzetti said:
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They try to make it seem as many teams as possible are after their player


you really think kevin durant needs his agent to create a bidding war?

and it is not his agent saying multiple teams, it is 1 team
There's a ton of smoke.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/20/2019 8:21 pm : link
Hell, Bill Simmons, who has had KD on like 5 podcasts, said pretty much everyone he's talked to has KD as a Knick.

Also, Chris Vernon, one of the hosts of The Ringer NBA Podcast's, was at All Star weekend. He said on yesterday's podcast that everyone he spoke to in Charlotte has Kyrie leaving Boston this summer.
RE: RE: Agents comments are totally meaningless  
BigBlueShock : 2/20/2019 8:24 pm : link
In comment 14301623 nygiants16 said:
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They try to make it seem as many teams as possible are after their player



you really think kevin durant needs his agent to create a bidding war?

and it is not his agent saying multiple teams, it is 1 team

You’ve completely changed your tune on this, huh? I seem to remember you for most of the season speaking in a “matter of fact” tone on all of these threads that Durant was not coming to the Knicks. Regardless of all the smoke blowing right in our faces, you were still adamant that he wasn’t coming. Like you wanted to be the face of that proclamation.

I’m not saying it’s gonna happen, in fact if I were a betting man I’d say the Knicks screw this up and it doesn’t happen. But it’s good to see you hop on board! We need all the good juju we can get.
RE: RE: RE: Agents comments are totally meaningless  
nygiants16 : 2/20/2019 8:27 pm : link
In comment 14301627 BigBlueShock said:
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They try to make it seem as many teams as possible are after their player



you really think kevin durant needs his agent to create a bidding war?

and it is not his agent saying multiple teams, it is 1 team


You’ve completely changed your tune on this, huh? I seem to remember you for most of the season speaking in a “matter of fact” tone on all of these threads that Durant was not coming to the Knicks. Regardless of all the smoke blowing right in our faces, you were still adamant that he wasn’t coming. Like you wanted to be the face of that proclamation.

I’m not saying it’s gonna happen, in fact if I were a betting man I’d say the Knicks screw this up and it doesn’t happen. But it’s good to see you hop on board! We need all the good juju we can get.


before the kp trade i thought there was zero chance because i did not think he would come to new york by himself...

After the KP trade i am a believer because now he can bring a costar...

never thought he would do it alonr made no sense to me..
RE: When has the worst team in the league ever bagged a player like Durant  
81_Great_Dane : 2/20/2019 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14301321 ghost718 said:
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"First time for everything" isn't gonna work either
"Worst team in the league" doesn't mean what it used to mean. NBA teams go into full-on tank mode now, and it's completely accepted. This team is a way, way more attractive destination than the bad Hubie Brown teams of the 80s, pre-Ewing, with guys like Ken "The Animal" Bannister and Ron Cavenall. Also way more attractive than the teams of the last couple of years. The Knicks have finally stopped worrying about being "competitive" and set their sights on a championship. They've got a bunch of young, cheap role players and a few guys who could develop into studs. Pair them with two elite players and you could have an elite team in a year or two.
RE: RE: When has the worst team in the league ever bagged a player like Durant  
ghost718 : 2/20/2019 9:22 pm : link
In comment 14301637 81_Great_Dane said:
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"Worst team in the league" doesn't mean what it used to mean. NBA teams go into full-on tank mode now, and it's completely accepted. This team is a way, way more attractive destination than the bad Hubie Brown teams of the 80s, pre-Ewing, with guys like Ken "The Animal" Bannister and Ron Cavenall. Also way more attractive than the teams of the last couple of years. The Knicks have finally stopped worrying about being "competitive" and set their sights on a championship. They've got a bunch of young, cheap role players and a few guys who could develop into studs. Pair them with two elite players and you could have an elite team in a year or two.


That's a very positive way to describe our current situation.Now that we're closing in on 20 years of Jim Dolan,I can't believe much of that,if any of it.


RE: if he wants this  
MookGiants : 2/20/2019 9:41 pm : link
In comment 14301301 hitdog42 said:
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he needs it to get out as he needs the other guys to have time to process the idea and think about it.
guys arent going to join him on a whim that he signs there without prep work given they are going to finish in the cellar with not many positive angles to current roster outside of the pick.


If they have a top 3 pick, plus Knox, that's plenty enough of a positive angle for 2 max guys to go.

What other teams that are realistic choices (outside of the Warriors) will have the ability to sign 2 max free agents and possibly have a top 3 pick and getting a guy who could be a star?

The Nets? Sure they're having a nice season, but do you think players are looking at them and salivating at that roster? Russell is having a nice year, but he was basically given away for nothing not long ago.

The Knicks roster situation should be appealing to free agents who know they can team up with another max guy. I think there are at least 3 very good players coming out of this draft. I know the Knicks can pick lower than 3rd, but by the time July 1 rolls around free agents will know who the Knicks have.

You think a guy like Kyrie needs Durant to leak that New York is a possibility now so he has time to process and think about it? He'd have to be living in an alternate universe to not hear the chatter. So if Durant's people don't leak it Kyrie can't possibly think about the possibility himself?

Just a very strange take when the chatter has been out there for a while. June isnt going to come and Durant calls Kyrie and says lets go to New York together but Kyrie says man if you would have had your people leak it sooner I would definitely go with you but I didnt have time to prepare myself for it.

There has been chatter about Irving wanting the Knicks for a while, and there's been chatter about Durant possibly coming for a while. If Irving or any other guy needs to hear it from Durants people to potentially prepare for it then they have to be living on Mars.

I don't expect it to happen because nothing ever goes the Knicks way. If Durant were to leave the Warriors, I dont know why he would go anywhere besides New York. If the goal is to just win, then there's no argument to be made to go anywhere else other than GS. But if he wants something for his legacy, the Knicks are really the only choice. I dont see how anyone else would even be a consideration.
pretty sure kyrie knows  
nygiants16 : 2/20/2019 9:47 pm : link
they hungout all all star weekend and were seen in miami having dinner yesterday
Which you rather have a Big 3 and fill ins or big 2 with crazy depth  
GMEN46 : 2/20/2019 9:58 pm : link
Hypothetical of course:

Option 1:

Starters:
PG - Kyrie
SG - Dotson
SF - Durant
PF - ZIon
C - Deandre

Bench
Smith Jr
Knox
Mitch Robinson
Frankie
Trier
Kadeem Allen
Kornet

Or

Option #2

Starters
PG - Kyrie
SG - Dotson - I think they can still squeeze him on roster
SF- KD
PF - Anthony Davis
C - Deandre Jordan

Bench
Mitch Robinson - I think they can still fit him in

In this scenario knicks are trading everyone else on the roster for A Davis and filling in roster with vet mins
I can’t take the waiting  
djm : 2/20/2019 10:19 pm : link
This spring and summer can’t get here fast enough. It’s going to be crazy.
Everyone  
DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 11:12 pm : link
loves ripping Durant being thin skinned, Kyrie with a really strange bitch session type interview tonight. Isola will have a field day lol
Durant  
TyreeHelmet : 2/20/2019 11:14 pm : link
I think it’s a lock he’s a Knick. He could change course, but it would be an enormous upset. I think there’s a part of the Warriors that want him to leave. The way the media is discussing this just seems like it’s a done deal they are afraid to declare.

I think the real question is if he would come by himself...
RE: Which you rather have a Big 3 and fill ins or big 2 with crazy depth  
Pan-handler : 2/20/2019 11:21 pm : link
In comment 14301706 GMEN46 said:
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Hypothetical of course:

Option 1:

Starters:
PG - Kyrie
SG - Dotson
SF - Durant
PF - ZIon
C - Deandre

Bench
Smith Jr
Knox
Mitch Robinson
Frankie
Trier
Kadeem Allen
Kornet

Or

Option #2

Starters
PG - Kyrie
SG - Dotson - I think they can still squeeze him on roster
SF- KD
PF - Anthony Davis
C - Deandre Jordan

Bench
Mitch Robinson - I think they can still fit him in

In this scenario knicks are trading everyone else on the roster for A Davis and filling in roster with vet mins


I think its option 2 in the sense that they want to trade for a 3rd star (utilizing the 125% rule to go over the cap).

AD being plan A by far followed by maybe a Beal, Derozen or Griffen as plan B,C,D.
KD + Kyrie AND Zion!  
90.Cal : 2/21/2019 7:41 am : link
Would be box office! Would go to the garden to see that any night. This current shit show has been nearly a two decade long thing now. I'm rooting for the Knicks but my heart says they dont get any star to sign and that pick ends up the 4th or 5th overall pick just missing the big fish in total NY Knick fashion.
If you think Zion is going to be a superstar...  
Italianju : 2/21/2019 8:34 am : link
you take Option 2. Im not so sure he is, i really like him, but i have questions. That said id go option 1. Superstars are extremely hard to find, depth is easy.
Im hoping this does go down  
blueblood : 2/21/2019 8:47 am : link
because finally after years the Knicks are in a position with cap space, young players AND lots of draft picks going forward.

I am not a fan of trading for AD if the Knicks happened to acquire KD and Kyrie. They will have better depth by keeping their 1st round pick this year, Knox,Frenchie, DSJ, Robinson, Trier and all the other pieces. I think they can offer Deandre Jordan the MLE and he might take that offer on a stacked team.

That looks better to me that a big three and a bunch of bench bums.
If you keep Deandre Jordan  
andrew_nyg : 2/21/2019 12:20 pm : link
you no longer have the space for 2 max contracts.
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/21/2019 12:45 pm : link
I hope they take a look at Kaminsky if he is in fact bought out
RE: If you keep Deandre Jordan  
Pan-handler : 2/21/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14302266 andrew_nyg said:
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you no longer have the space for 2 max contracts.


DAJ would have to be on the MLE. There is a chance he would take it.
RE: KD + Kyrie AND Zion!  
Pan-handler : 2/21/2019 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14301881 90.Cal said:
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Would be box office! Would go to the garden to see that any night. This current shit show has been nearly a two decade long thing now. I'm rooting for the Knicks but my heart says they dont get any star to sign and that pick ends up the 4th or 5th overall pick just missing the big fish in total NY Knick fashion.


I've warmed up a bit to Reddish I think his jumpshot is going to be very good in the NBA (with further maturation).

Obviously, Zion is the prize but one of Morant,Barrett or Reddish I believe will also be very good players.

Anyone other than Zion isnt really worth keeping relative to bringing in AD as the 3rd star (via trade) and the 125% rule.
RE: If you think Zion is going to be a superstar...  
Pan-handler : 2/21/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14301900 Italianju said:
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you take Option 2. Im not so sure he is, i really like him, but i have questions. That said id go option 1. Superstars are extremely hard to find, depth is easy.


I think you have it reversed.
RE: RE: If you keep Deandre Jordan  
Enzo : 2/21/2019 1:03 pm : link
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you no longer have the space for 2 max contracts.



DAJ would have to be on the MLE. There is a chance he would take it.

once they go below the cap they no longer have access to the MLE. They'd have to use the room exception - assuming they look to sign DJ once the cap space is used.
RE: .  
Enzo : 2/21/2019 1:14 pm : link
In comment 14302310 DanMetroMan said:
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I hope they take a look at Kaminsky if he is in fact bought out

rich man's Kornet? Or a poor man's Kornet? I can't decide!
RE: RE: RE: If you keep Deandre Jordan  
Pan-handler : 2/21/2019 1:52 pm : link
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you no longer have the space for 2 max contracts.



DAJ would have to be on the MLE. There is a chance he would take it.


once they go below the cap they no longer have access to the MLE. They'd have to use the room exception - assuming they look to sign DJ once the cap space is used.


How much is the room exception?
I think if you are going to do rich man / poor man  
NoGainDayne : 2/21/2019 1:58 pm : link
they have to be less irrelevant than Kornet.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If you keep Deandre Jordan  
Jon in NYC : 2/21/2019 1:58 pm : link
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you no longer have the space for 2 max contracts.



DAJ would have to be on the MLE. There is a chance he would take it.


once they go below the cap they no longer have access to the MLE. They'd have to use the room exception - assuming they look to sign DJ once the cap space is used.



How much is the room exception?


About 4.5MM
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If you keep Deandre Jordan  
Pan-handler : 2/21/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14302456 Jon in NYC said:
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you no longer have the space for 2 max contracts.



DAJ would have to be on the MLE. There is a chance he would take it.


once they go below the cap they no longer have access to the MLE. They'd have to use the room exception - assuming they look to sign DJ once the cap space is used.



How much is the room exception?



About 4.5MM


DAJ has made a lot of coin. He may take that to play on a championship level team.
I thought $4.5M was right too but just read $9M  
ChaChing : 2/22/2019 8:18 am : link
per the linked article. Just getting hopeful over here
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But they could also use the mid-level exception (almost $9 million per season) to sign Jordan this summer, so it’s certainly possible

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RE: I thought $4.5M was right too but just read $9M  
Heisenberg : 2/22/2019 8:37 am : link
In comment 14302979 ChaChing said:
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per the linked article. Just getting hopeful over here


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But they could also use the mid-level exception (almost $9 million per season) to sign Jordan this summer, so it’s certainly possible

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Bondy has that wrong.
You can't  
Jon in NYC : 2/22/2019 8:41 am : link
use the MLE if you were under the cap at any point. It's a recent rule change.
wow  
Enzo : 2/22/2019 8:43 am : link
add Bondy to the list of moron writers in this town. We've known for a while that he's a troll... but now we also know he doesn't understand basic cap stuff.
Now I think there is plenty of evidence to suggest  
NoGainDayne : 2/22/2019 12:17 pm : link
not to trust the Knicks on this. But assuming they have some behind the scenes master plan on this which there is some smoke on, it wouldn't be ridiculous to assume they are keeping Jordan around to sell him on living in New York and playing for the Knicks in order to have him take less money.

They bought out the other players that could help them win games and aren't part of their future. Think he is obviously a great guy for Robinson to try to defend / box out in practice too. But that might be a component.
after catching the 4th super entertaining  
santacruzom : 2/22/2019 12:46 pm : link
Warriors/Kings game of the season last night, I found myself wondering: why wouldn't Durant choose a team like the Kings?

I'm not saying the Kings specifically -- I don't even know their cap room. But if he's to leave the Warriors, I wonder if he'd be tempted to join a team with some current legitimate excitement and potential, as opposed to a team that has to make a lot of other shrewd moves (uncharacteristically shrewd, you could say) to compete.
If he comes to the Knicks or even his interest  
NoGainDayne : 2/22/2019 12:48 pm : link
has to be wrapped up in what he's doing in VC. Seems to be a major part of why he picked Golden State.

Probably met a lot of people that help him with deal flow there and would expand that further in New York. Hell if he brought a championship to New York he could probably find his way into deals in which he provided no value.
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