and i try not to kill the mets too much. But when you go out and sign guys in there 30's then you cant be surprised when this stuff happens. I mean for once they at least have some depth, but its frustrating to spend the money on these guys just to watch them regress or play banged up.
He's not a key to anything (yet). If the guy needing the MRI was Robinson Cano, or Michael Conforto, or Brandon Nimmo, or Amed Rosario, or Peter Alonso, or any of the starting pitchers, or Diaz, or Familia, then I'd be more worried.
He's not a key to anything (yet). If the guy needing the MRI was Robinson Cano, or Michael Conforto, or Brandon Nimmo, or Amed Rosario, or Peter Alonso, or any of the starting pitchers, or Diaz, or Familia, then I'd be more worried.
Cano has been extremely durable over his career but it would be a total Mets thing if his breakdown started this year.
Shecky,
Valencia has maybe the worst reputation in baseball
For knocking out a bitch for talking shit??
First and foremost he's played for 8 teams for a reason.
Blue Jays0"Whats inside a clubhouse and outside a clubhouse so often differs. From the outside, it was easy to indicate the Blue Jays would miss Danny Valencia, the bat lost on waivers to Oakland.
From inside the clubhouse, the opinion is clearly the opposite. Valencia wasnt exactly Mr. Congeniality with Jays players or clubhouse workers."
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Valencia was not highly regarded in the clubhouse https://twitter.com/krew723/status/767510044292239361
(Valencia) is not a good dude. Theres a reason the Jays punted his ass out of town. It was one of the happiest days of John Gibbons managerial career, because Danny Valencia got the hell out of town.-Jeff Blair
but not the hardest injury for them to recover from. As great as his year was last year he is a supporting piece. Mcneil or Frazier (or Davis) can play 3B.
The guy who needs to stay healthy and productive is Cano. He needs to be the stabilizer in the middle of the lineup.
And they need to get JDG on board. He's the first guy in the clubhouse to say he wants to be here long term. You can already hear Thor saying he wants to be here long term but also saying he will not take the deals that Nola/Severino just took. If they truly believe these guys give them a shot at a WS they need to put their money where their mouth is and give them some longer term security so they can fully commit to that cause.
injury. Weird that he's throwing underhand and has only been in camp for a little while. He has a history of injuries, so let's hope this is only something really minor/precautionary.
because him being out a couple months wouldn't be a good result. He was signed to be an upgrade and to play. If him missing a few months isn't a big deal, then IMO, the money would've been better spent on another pitcher.
ACL surgery. He can miss a couple months for all I care. I actually want JD Davis, McNeil, etc. to get as many chances as possible early.
Please no ACL though! 🙏
I thought you liked the Lowrie signing?
I do. Love it. But the reason it was great was because it created a lot of depth. Depth we still have. Earlier in a season, I have a no problem watching younger guys get more playing time. It might even be necessary. Depth is unnecessary if everyone stays healthy. Obviously, I dont want to lose Lowrie for the year or anything. I envision him being a grizzled, insanely tough out, in the playoffs or something.
because him being out a couple months wouldn't be a good result. He was signed to be an upgrade and to play. If him missing a few months isn't a big deal, then IMO, the money would've been better spent on another pitcher.
Again.. I seriously doubt Lowries ten million is preventing us from doing anything. If they wanted another 5th starter to compete with Vargas they would sign one. If they dont sign somebody, it will be because they like what Vargas did in the second half last year and likely feel pretty good about him.
That will fucking suck. Reading between the lines with Shecky pushing for Valencia Im just going to assume thats the case for now. We cant even make it to the first god damn ST game without a huge injury.
That will fucking suck. Reading between the lines with Shecky pushing for Valencia Im just going to assume thats the case for now. We cant even make it to the first god damn ST game without a huge injury.
I hate talkingmeds, so wont but concern for now is its the lingering and it popped. In that case it will linger, and they have the depth. Worse would be a tear and out ~6 weeks again, the depth isnt there, so no biggie. Either situation would be one of those it could linger, or once healed he can deal with it. Lol, I know thats vague, but no one Knows for sure which it is, just the educated guesses for now. Either way, I dont see him playing in Sundsys game...
That will fucking suck. Reading between the lines with Shecky pushing for Valencia Im just going to assume thats the case for now. We cant even make it to the first god damn ST game without a huge injury.
I hate talkingmeds, so wont but concern for now is its the lingering and it popped. In that case it will linger, and they have the depth. Worse would be a tear and out ~6 weeks again, the depth isnt there, so no biggie. Either situation would be one of those it could linger, or once healed he can deal with it. Lol, I know thats vague, but no one Knows for sure which it is, just the educated guesses for now. Either way, I dont see him playing in Sundsys game...
So wait.. a tear and hes only out 6 weeks? Wouldnt a tear mean surgery? If he just popped something and its sore... no big deal.
just do the surgery now & clean it up as best they can for long haul
stretch out either Lugo or Gsellmen this spring and that they'll exclusively be relievers.
If this is really the case, the Mets options if they need a spot start are awful.
Spot starts do probably end up going to Dowdy, Lockett, Flexen, and Oswalt but if it were something more long term, Im betting Gsellman or Lugo could transition back. BVW mentioned them as SP depth not much more than a week ago.
Usually teams report the results of these things the same day.
They flew him all the way to NY to get the MRI which is so annoying. He could have probably had one done at 50 places in port St. Lucie. In fact, dont the Mets rehab players there? Why dont they have one there anyway?
If it was a tear it would have been easy to spot. What am I not seeing? A bruise/meniscus issue... whatever else Im fine with.
Like I said, if there's one thing we have a shit load of its IF depth. Even if Lowrie misses the beginning of the season, that doesn't bother me all that much.
whenever he returns. If he plays like crap bc he's slowed down by his knee, that's almost worse than if it was an MCL, he got the surgery now, and was back at 100% in 2 months. If it lingers like Cespedes' endless hamstring injuries, that may be the actual worst case scenario.
In the short term, this will seemingly give Frazier some more opportunity for playing time. 1B will likely still be 1 of the 3 kids. I'd imagine they will keep Mcneil in the OF until they have no other alternative, especially if Nimmo is banged up.
Heck, even a torn meniscus guys are back in 6 weeks these days. The big concern for me was ACL. Especially, since it was the back of the knee. Seems like disaster is adverted.
It's probably a sprain, or a bruise, or tendinitis... any of which Im not too concerned about.
I love the Lowrie addition. For me, it was an extremely way to get an even "better" Marwin Gonzalez type on the roster for cheaper than MG was likely asking for. It was extremely creative.
It was still a move to create depth though. Im actually hoping Lowrie turns into a super sub and is no longer starting late in the year because that will mean McNeil is playing at a high level, Cespedes returned, Alonso is hitting, etc. All good things.
Lowrie is a nice hedge for most of those things not happening. He gives you a floor of wRC+ 115-120 which is nice. That doesnt mean he's irreplaceable though. Its probably not a huge drop off to guys like JD Davis, or even somebody like TJ Rivera for a while. We can withstand him missing a few games.
Heck, I welcome any guy to go down for a stint this year. Its going to happen. I just want NO knock out blows for once. No catastrophic season enders that change the entire landscape of the season like we've dealt with the last two years. If we can survive the complete heart breakers for once I think we are going to be playoff contention the last week of the season.
I'm not a medical expert, but I don't think they generally perform surgery on athletes to cure soreness.
That's the point - the fact that there's no surgery could mean whatever the problem is might not be fixable. Just something he will have to live with or hope heals with rest. Obviously there's some kind of discomfort/concern beyond general soreness, and while it may be good there's no major acute injury (surgery) the alternative might be that it's something chronic which isn't necessarily better news.
obviously it's probably better news than major surgery. Although with major surgery at least they'd know the insurance money is coming back and would be free to reinvest it now.
I'm not a medical expert, but I don't think they generally perform surgery on athletes to cure soreness.
That's the point - the fact that there's no surgery could mean whatever the problem is might not be fixable. Just something he will have to live with or hope heals with rest. Obviously there's some kind of discomfort/concern beyond general soreness, and while it may be good there's no major acute injury (surgery) the alternative might be that it's something chronic which isn't necessarily better news.
What's not fixable that is clean in an MRI? arthritis would show up in an MRI and/or x-ray, strain, sprain, tears, etc. would show up in an MRI.
again, I'm not a medical expert and I know as Mets fans, even good news can be bad, but I'm not worrying until there's something to worry about. So I worried until the MRI came back, now I won't worry.
The Mets have a ton of *good* players on their roster.
Elite players: deGrom, Syndergaard, Diaz
Potentially Elite Players: Conforto, Nimmo, Wheeler
Good Players: Cano, Lowrie, Ramos, Matz, Familia, McNeil, Lugo,
Likely Solid Contributors: Gsellman, J.Wilson, Frazier, Lagars, Broxton
High Upside Young Players: Alonso, JD Davis, Rosario
Question Marks: d'Arnaud, Vargas, Back of the bench/back of the bullpen.
So basically we only have a handful of question marks.
Good post but I think people are severely underestimating Cano. If he's healthy and hasn't started to regress yet (and there's no real reason to suggest he has) he essentially replaces "healthy Cespedes". We were talking about it on MMO and its true. Cespedes's best seasons ever are essentially Cano's "average". If you throw in that Cano can still play D and is providing offense from a much more difficult position.... I think people are going to be seriously surprised this year. Thats not to say that the decline is not coming eventually, but Cano very easily could be our best hitter this year.
cannot be counted on to be elite, even if healthy. That's why I don't bunch him in the elite group. The only reason I say that is because he is 36, and the only players recently that are that age and remained elite are pretty much Adrian Beltre and Carlos Beltran, and they started to fade a tad in their age 36 seasons.
Cruz for one. Its rare but every once in a while you find a guy with good genetics who's built a certain way that can last longer than most. Cano is built like a bull, has stayed healthy almost his entire career, and simply has a beautiful swing. He was hitting bombs today ini practice.
Maybe Im griping but I'd have him at least in the "potentially elite" group but beyond your post I just felt it was something that needs to be said.
I think too many people are hung up on the contract and Kelenic and forgetting that this is an amazing player likely still playing at a high level this year.
wasn't considered as part of my grouping. I don't really worry about Kelenic and he doesn't go into my evaluation here.
I love Cano as a player. I am only speaking to his age. He had a 3.0 WAR in 80 games, which is great, it's borderline elite for a single season.
But again, he is 36. I hope I'm wrong. But I expect him to be a good not great player this year. Not a knock on him, just my realistic expectations. But that's a whole lot better than a lot of players out there.
My larger point is that the Mets have a lot of good players.
I am really really hopeful that *Pete* Alonso turns into a star and I think he will. I just see Mark McGwire written all over him. His power is immense.
Stuff earlier than anyone else (he constantly touts that and did a google check), but he was dead wrong on Machado going to white Sox. I dont think Harper to Phillies is really a stretch but his timing and all that is pretty definitive. If they do announce tomorrow after presser then I am inclined to believe his stuff about the Mets and Harper which was pseudo consistent with that rumor floated on Metsmesmerized earlier this year.
100% fake. One of the people I speak to knows who he is and knows him personally. Made me promise not to say anything more because they are "friends". But he supplied evidence. Good on that dude to be getting attention but he's not an insider. His statement about timing proves nothing... Machado's presser is this morning and as of last night Harper didn't even have a deal (even per that guys own claims) so announcing AFTER Machado.. uh.. yeah. How could it happen any other way? lol
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says it's not a lock they carry a 2nd lefty. Avilan's velocity will be something to watch. 83-84 in September. Wilson isn't "great" vs. lefties so I still think they likely carry 2 but at least he's open to going with the better option if there is one.
Callaway says the Mets wont carry a second left-hander in the bullpen unless there is a worthy candidate. The manager says he is comfortable enough with Edwin Diaz, Jeurys Famila and Seth Lugo against lefties that an additional left-hander isnt paramount.
On May 9 of last season Cecchini, playing for Triple-A Las Vegas fouled a ball off his right foot and initially thought he had a bone bruise. He was diagnosed with a broken foot and placed in a walking boot. Before he could fully return there was a tear in the foot that ended his season.
Cecchini indicated he was somewhat surprised he cleared waivers and returned to the Mets.
I thought it was 50/50 I would return, just because I knew there were teams out there that would love to have me, Cecchini said. But I thought the timing part of it, when they did it, which was a week before camp reported, most rosters are filled, so I am a firm believer everything happens for a reason and God wants me here at this time.
Are all but out on Harper. Offered over 300 million.. with over 200 deferred. Harper still speaking to the Giants and Phillies with the Padres considering asking for a second meeting with Manny in the room. Phillies want to close this out but but haven't yet. That's the latest from an impeccable source. He's yet to pick his next team though the expectation is Philadelphia with Boras pushing for the highest AAV ever
On May 9 of last season Cecchini, playing for Triple-A Las Vegas fouled a ball off his right foot and initially thought he had a bone bruise. He was diagnosed with a broken foot and placed in a walking boot. Before he could fully return there was a tear in the foot that ended his season.
Cecchini indicated he was somewhat surprised he cleared waivers and returned to the Mets.
I thought it was 50/50 I would return, just because I knew there were teams out there that would love to have me, Cecchini said. But I thought the timing part of it, when they did it, which was a week before camp reported, most rosters are filled, so I am a firm believer everything happens for a reason and God wants me here at this time.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the timing on Cecchini wasn't the Mets being dicks (and I know no one said this), but was more to make room for Justin Wilson, who didn't sign until late January.
On May 9 of last season Cecchini, playing for Triple-A Las Vegas fouled a ball off his right foot and initially thought he had a bone bruise. He was diagnosed with a broken foot and placed in a walking boot. Before he could fully return there was a tear in the foot that ended his season.
Cecchini indicated he was somewhat surprised he cleared waivers and returned to the Mets.
I thought it was 50/50 I would return, just because I knew there were teams out there that would love to have me, Cecchini said. But I thought the timing part of it, when they did it, which was a week before camp reported, most rosters are filled, so I am a firm believer everything happens for a reason and God wants me here at this time.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the timing on Cecchini wasn't the Mets being dicks (and I know no one said this), but was more to make room for Justin Wilson, who didn't sign until late January.
PJ you aren't wrong. I think he's just "defending" himself being unclaimed aka "its not me, it's the timing". I refuse to give up the ghost on him being a potential big leaguer but 2b only profile is very, very tough and with Cano here.. he probably would have been better off having been claimed
"Always fascinated by human behavior, why do so many young woman smile w/ their tongue between their teeth?
I never see it in the real world, ONLY online, which means it says something about the human condition. Is it intentional or instinct? Why online only? #NaturallyCurious"
for the Phillies if the Padres outbid them for both Machado and Harper.
Personally, I'd love it. Even better if they follow up by giving $100M to Kimbrel.
How is that more embarrassing for the Phillies than the Mets who didn't even make an offer?
If I'm a Phillies fan I know they tried and I feel like Arrenado or pipe dream Trout could be realistic targets in the future (in the unlikely event Trout hits FA), but as a Mets fan, I'm already crossing those names off my list and starting at the next level down of players.
Apparently is a already on the hot seat with some claiming the Phillies even discussed dumping him earlier this off season. Fully admit like Mickey loved the resume but yeesh
"Always fascinated by human behavior, why do so many young woman smile w/ their tongue between their teeth?
I never see it in the real world, ONLY online, which means it says something about the human condition. Is it intentional or instinct? Why online only? #NaturallyCurious"
LOL. He's an idiot Dan, long past being any kind of relevant. You should unfollow. I did a purge of my twitter feed and stopped following worthless people and it was really improvement. Best unfollow ever for me was was Frank Isola.
guess is the Rockies lock up Arenado and soon. The owner seemed confident. If not, the favorites have to be the Yankees but you never know, once a player is traded all bets are off.
for the Phillies if the Padres outbid them for both Machado and Harper.
Personally, I'd love it. Even better if they follow up by giving $100M to Kimbrel.
How is that more embarrassing for the Phillies than the Mets who didn't even make an offer?
If I'm a Phillies fan I know they tried and I feel like Arrenado or pipe dream Trout could be realistic targets in the future (in the unlikely event Trout hits FA), but as a Mets fan, I'm already crossing those names off my list and starting at the next level down of players.
Not embarrassing in the least bit for Philly IMO.
Philly themselves talked about spending "stupid money" this offseason. You really think it's "not embarrassing in the least bit" if they get outbid by the Padres on both players?
We'll have to disagree on that one. IMO, when you talk a big game and lose two stud players in their prime to the Padres over bidding, it's embarrassing.
"Always fascinated by human behavior, why do so many young woman smile w/ their tongue between their teeth?
I never see it in the real world, ONLY online, which means it says something about the human condition. Is it intentional or instinct? Why online only? #NaturallyCurious"
LOL. He's an idiot Dan, long past being any kind of relevant. You should unfollow. I did a purge of my twitter feed and stopped following worthless people and it was really improvement. Best unfollow ever for me was was Frank Isola.
Isola is ridiculous. He somehow legit spins ANY story into something anti-Knick. I hope deep down he knows he's trolling and isn't how he is in real life lol
guess is the Rockies lock up Arenado and soon. The owner seemed confident. If not, the favorites have to be the Yankees but you never know, once a player is traded all bets are off.
right and I doubt Trout even sniffs free agency, my point was more the fact the Phillies were competitive with these marquee free agents is already less embarrassing than the Mets. Almost like Sandy flippantly saying we don't need Stanton we have Nimmo (even though Nimmo had a breakout year - Sandy meant it tongue in cheek).
We've moved on. As I said back then and we had to. There was no way we could wait around. Bryce, I'm sure will make his decision hopefully in the next few days, but we've filled out our roster and like I said, we wish him nothing but the best."
Before the end of the 2018 season, the Nats presented Harper and his agent Scott Boras a 10-year, $300 million offer to which they declined.
There have been reports that multiple teams have been in on the Harper sweepstakes, most notably the Phillies, Padres and Giants. As far as recent talks with the Nationals? There haven't been any.
"But there's always that, the door's cracked a little bit," Lerner added. "I have no clue at this point what they're up to. We really haven't heard from them in a couple months."
Probably the one place he could not have gone IMO in terms of the Mets chances. I dont think the Phillies are necessarily better than the Mets with Harper although its probably close.
taking a job with the Tampa Rays. Cameron left to go to the Padres last year, and other writers have gotten jobs for teams too.
Reading that site over the past 5 years has been incredibly educational. A rare chance on a free site to get inside the minds of what the cutting edge front office guys in baseball are thinking and how they break down problems and value players.
do NOT deny interest in Harper and the FO will be meeting to discuss "the next move" as an organization. So much for Harper to the Phillies being a done deal with jerseys already delivered.
says prior to Manny committing the Padres had an offer to Harper worth more overall money than the Manny offer. That may include bonuses etc. Imagine they really do land both? Jeez.
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Mets continue to be vague on Jed Lowrie's knee injury other than to say it's "not serious." Team officials won't divulge the extent of the injury. Lowrie is here, but hasn't been made available to reporters. Mets clearly want the story to go away.
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If he gets paid only during the season he gets taxed at Cal rates. If he gets paid year round while in off season he wont have to pay state income taxes during those months while he is living in Florida
which is not really close to painting an accurate picture and hopefully doesnt get him audited.
Baseball players are all wise to live in texas or florida in the off season so that they can meet the domicile threshold (only real sport that its easy to do so). It also helps that spring training states have tax benefits as well. To say that you do not have to pay income tax for games played in Cali is erroneous. There are ways to construct salary and bonus structure to assist with that though.
I really hope this isn't the Mets new "grand new plan" in dealing with injuries. Being vague only worries the fans more and allows the media to run with things. Hopefully this is just specific to this injury otherwise.. yuck.
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But I thought the jerseys were delivered last night? But he just made his decision today? Now? HMMMM
on 2/17 he reported that a players tribune article would be forthcoming from Harper announcing he was a Phillie. He has deleted this tweet but you can see people trolling him here Link - ( New Window )
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Angels minor league LHP Bo Tucker and free agent RHP Joshua Payne, most recently with the Mets, have been suspended 50 games after second positive tests for a drug of abuse
the uncertainty of his recovery/timetable seems less than ideal.
ThTs the point... its less a diagnoses of the real problem, and more a diagnosis of the symptoms... translation, rest, and hope it gets better. It may. It may not. There could be an underlying major problem or not.
Hence the vague I mentioned the other day lol
One thing the Mets have this year is depth.
20 million could have been better spent on Gio or another bullpen arm
20 million could have been better spent on Gio or another bullpen arm
Agreed. Hope I am wrong but I feel like Brody is the type to make moves just to appease fan demands.
One thing the Mets have this year is depth.
At the rate they normally run operations, they wont have any depth in 2 weeks
Shecky,
Valencia has maybe the worst reputation in baseball
Cano has been extremely durable over his career but it would be a total Mets thing if his breakdown started this year.
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Shecky,
Valencia has maybe the worst reputation in baseball
For knocking out a bitch for talking shit??
One thing the Mets have this year is depth.
Bryce Harper is still available to fill that OF spot :)
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Shecky,
Valencia has maybe the worst reputation in baseball
For knocking out a bitch for talking shit??
First and foremost he's played for 8 teams for a reason.
Blue Jays0"Whats inside a clubhouse and outside a clubhouse so often differs. From the outside, it was easy to indicate the Blue Jays would miss Danny Valencia, the bat lost on waivers to Oakland.
From inside the clubhouse, the opinion is clearly the opposite. Valencia wasnt exactly Mr. Congeniality with Jays players or clubhouse workers."
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@FlannyMLB
Valencia was not highly regarded in the clubhouse https://twitter.com/krew723/status/767510044292239361
(Valencia) is not a good dude. Theres a reason the Jays punted his ass out of town. It was one of the happiest days of John Gibbons managerial career, because Danny Valencia got the hell out of town.-Jeff Blair
The guy who needs to stay healthy and productive is Cano. He needs to be the stabilizer in the middle of the lineup.
And they need to get JDG on board. He's the first guy in the clubhouse to say he wants to be here long term. You can already hear Thor saying he wants to be here long term but also saying he will not take the deals that Nola/Severino just took. If they truly believe these guys give them a shot at a WS they need to put their money where their mouth is and give them some longer term security so they can fully commit to that cause.
Just need to hope the team takes it's injury lumps early and this is the worst of it.
.......but you know it won't be.
Valencia. I want to see negative quotes from someone in the trenches with the kid. That ships sailed anyway lol
Please no ACL though! 🙏
Please no ACL though! 🙏
I thought you liked the Lowrie signing?
Our own. Erosion of Stanton, with thename change lol?
Dans on the right track, unfortunately
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ACL surgery. He can miss a couple months for all I care. I actually want JD Davis, McNeil, etc. to get as many chances as possible early.
Please no ACL though! 🙏
I thought you liked the Lowrie signing?
I do. Love it. But the reason it was great was because it created a lot of depth. Depth we still have. Earlier in a season, I have a no problem watching younger guys get more playing time. It might even be necessary. Depth is unnecessary if everyone stays healthy. Obviously, I dont want to lose Lowrie for the year or anything. I envision him being a grizzled, insanely tough out, in the playoffs or something.
Again.. I seriously doubt Lowries ten million is preventing us from doing anything. If they wanted another 5th starter to compete with Vargas they would sign one. If they dont sign somebody, it will be because they like what Vargas did in the second half last year and likely feel pretty good about him.
did they give him a physical?
I know knee injuries can happen without contact (and baseball obviously isn't a contact sport) but this seems so Mets like.
did they give him a physical?
I know knee injuries can happen without contact (and baseball obviously isn't a contact sport) but this seems so Mets like.
My thought as well pj. I am thinking this is something that was lingering with him.
did they give him a physical?
I know knee injuries can happen without contact (and baseball obviously isn't a contact sport) but this seems so Mets like.
Hes saying he didnt feel anything until he started to speed things up in preparation for the season but who knows.
I hate talkingmeds, so wont but concern for now is its the lingering and it popped. In that case it will linger, and they have the depth. Worse would be a tear and out ~6 weeks again, the depth isnt there, so no biggie. Either situation would be one of those it could linger, or once healed he can deal with it. Lol, I know thats vague, but no one Knows for sure which it is, just the educated guesses for now. Either way, I dont see him playing in Sundsys game...
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That will fucking suck. Reading between the lines with Shecky pushing for Valencia Im just going to assume thats the case for now. We cant even make it to the first god damn ST game without a huge injury.
I hate talkingmeds, so wont but concern for now is its the lingering and it popped. In that case it will linger, and they have the depth. Worse would be a tear and out ~6 weeks again, the depth isnt there, so no biggie. Either situation would be one of those it could linger, or once healed he can deal with it. Lol, I know thats vague, but no one Knows for sure which it is, just the educated guesses for now. Either way, I dont see him playing in Sundsys game...
So wait.. a tear and hes only out 6 weeks? Wouldnt a tear mean surgery? If he just popped something and its sore... no big deal.
If this is really the case, the Mets options if they need a spot start are awful.
If this is really the case, the Mets options if they need a spot start are awful.
Spot starts do probably end up going to Dowdy, Lockett, Flexen, and Oswalt but if it were something more long term, Im betting Gsellman or Lugo could transition back. BVW mentioned them as SP depth not much more than a week ago.
If this is really the case, the Mets options if they need a spot start are awful.
I don't get this.
Isn't Callaway alwasy preaching about relievers versatility and pitchers who can throw multiple innings or start games in a pinch?
Jesus this team is always a walking contradiction.
Sore shoulder. They are only allowing him to throw underhand at the moment. He nor the team is concerned.
I found an update on twitter:
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Mets Daily Update (2/21):
Jed Lowrie - Dead
No others deaths at this point, but more are expected to come.
They flew him all the way to NY to get the MRI which is so annoying. He could have probably had one done at 50 places in port St. Lucie. In fact, dont the Mets rehab players there? Why dont they have one there anyway?
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Usually teams report the results of these things the same day.
I found an update on twitter:
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Mets Daily Update (2/21):
Jed Lowrie - Dead
No others deaths at this point, but more are expected to come.
I literally laughed out loud reading that. That was hysterical, whoever posted that
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I saw a comment above. Any elaboration on this????
Sore shoulder. They are only allowing him to throw underhand at the moment. He nor the team is concerned.
soooo...Lupica will be reporting he has a torn Labrum in...about 3 weeks.
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In comment 14302677 Metnut said:
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Usually teams report the results of these things the same day.
I found an update on twitter:
Amazin Mets
@los_mets
3h3 hours ago
Mets Daily Update (2/21):
Jed Lowrie - Dead
No others deaths at this point, but more are expected to come.
I literally laughed out loud reading that. That was hysterical, whoever posted that
Some random guy on twitter, not my doing, though I laughed too.
Brodie Van Wagenen said on @wcbs880 that Jed Lowries MRI revealed no significant damage, and theyll bring him along slowly. #Mets
Awesome!
Brodie Van Wagenen said on @wcbs880 that Jed Lowries MRI revealed no significant damage, and theyll bring him along slowly. #Mets
Im usually the second most optomistic one around here. Of the on,y two here. But personally, I dont see the good news there.
Like I said, if there's one thing we have a shit load of its IF depth. Even if Lowrie misses the beginning of the season, that doesn't bother me all that much.
this is good news because Lowrie still his his lower limbs, he didn't tear an ACL/MCL, he didn't have any significant damage.
if Lowrie is with the team for the start of the regular season this is good news.
Most of us were prepared for the worst, which may still happen "as they bring him along slowly", but for now there's still hope.
In the short term, this will seemingly give Frazier some more opportunity for playing time. 1B will likely still be 1 of the 3 kids. I'd imagine they will keep Mcneil in the OF until they have no other alternative, especially if Nimmo is banged up.
I'm not a medical expert, but I don't think they generally perform surgery on athletes to cure soreness.
It's probably a sprain, or a bruise, or tendinitis... any of which Im not too concerned about.
It was still a move to create depth though. Im actually hoping Lowrie turns into a super sub and is no longer starting late in the year because that will mean McNeil is playing at a high level, Cespedes returned, Alonso is hitting, etc. All good things.
Lowrie is a nice hedge for most of those things not happening. He gives you a floor of wRC+ 115-120 which is nice. That doesnt mean he's irreplaceable though. Its probably not a huge drop off to guys like JD Davis, or even somebody like TJ Rivera for a while. We can withstand him missing a few games.
Heck, I welcome any guy to go down for a stint this year. Its going to happen. I just want NO knock out blows for once. No catastrophic season enders that change the entire landscape of the season like we've dealt with the last two years. If we can survive the complete heart breakers for once I think we are going to be playoff contention the last week of the season.
ugh
The Mets have a ton of *good* players on their roster.
Elite players: deGrom, Syndergaard, Diaz
Potentially Elite Players: Conforto, Nimmo, Wheeler
Good Players: Cano, Lowrie, Ramos, Matz, Familia, McNeil, Lugo,
Likely Solid Contributors: Gsellman, J.Wilson, Frazier, Lagars, Broxton
High Upside Young Players: Alonso, JD Davis, Rosario
Question Marks: d'Arnaud, Vargas, Back of the bench/back of the bullpen.
So basically we only have a handful of question marks.
I'm not a medical expert, but I don't think they generally perform surgery on athletes to cure soreness.
That's the point - the fact that there's no surgery could mean whatever the problem is might not be fixable. Just something he will have to live with or hope heals with rest. Obviously there's some kind of discomfort/concern beyond general soreness, and while it may be good there's no major acute injury (surgery) the alternative might be that it's something chronic which isn't necessarily better news.
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his MRI is negative.
I'm not a medical expert, but I don't think they generally perform surgery on athletes to cure soreness.
That's the point - the fact that there's no surgery could mean whatever the problem is might not be fixable. Just something he will have to live with or hope heals with rest. Obviously there's some kind of discomfort/concern beyond general soreness, and while it may be good there's no major acute injury (surgery) the alternative might be that it's something chronic which isn't necessarily better news.
What's not fixable that is clean in an MRI? arthritis would show up in an MRI and/or x-ray, strain, sprain, tears, etc. would show up in an MRI.
again, I'm not a medical expert and I know as Mets fans, even good news can be bad, but I'm not worrying until there's something to worry about. So I worried until the MRI came back, now I won't worry.
The Mets have a ton of *good* players on their roster.
Elite players: deGrom, Syndergaard, Diaz
Potentially Elite Players: Conforto, Nimmo, Wheeler
Good Players: Cano, Lowrie, Ramos, Matz, Familia, McNeil, Lugo,
Likely Solid Contributors: Gsellman, J.Wilson, Frazier, Lagars, Broxton
High Upside Young Players: Alonso, JD Davis, Rosario
Question Marks: d'Arnaud, Vargas, Back of the bench/back of the bullpen.
So basically we only have a handful of question marks.
Good post but I think people are severely underestimating Cano. If he's healthy and hasn't started to regress yet (and there's no real reason to suggest he has) he essentially replaces "healthy Cespedes". We were talking about it on MMO and its true. Cespedes's best seasons ever are essentially Cano's "average". If you throw in that Cano can still play D and is providing offense from a much more difficult position.... I think people are going to be seriously surprised this year. Thats not to say that the decline is not coming eventually, but Cano very easily could be our best hitter this year.
Maybe Im griping but I'd have him at least in the "potentially elite" group but beyond your post I just felt it was something that needs to be said.
I think too many people are hung up on the contract and Kelenic and forgetting that this is an amazing player likely still playing at a high level this year.
I love Cano as a player. I am only speaking to his age. He had a 3.0 WAR in 80 games, which is great, it's borderline elite for a single season.
But again, he is 36. I hope I'm wrong. But I expect him to be a good not great player this year. Not a knock on him, just my realistic expectations. But that's a whole lot better than a lot of players out there.
My larger point is that the Mets have a lot of good players.
I am really really hopeful that *Pete* Alonso turns into a star and I think he will. I just see Mark McGwire written all over him. His power is immense.
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Any Harper jerseys in the team store would originally be blanks, that are pressed in the Phillies team store, as it takes weeks for production/shipping for larger quantities (not to mention contractual issues with Majestic/Fanatics). That's how the Padres did it for Machado."
Cecchini indicated he was somewhat surprised he cleared waivers and returned to the Mets.
I thought it was 50/50 I would return, just because I knew there were teams out there that would love to have me, Cecchini said. But I thought the timing part of it, when they did it, which was a week before camp reported, most rosters are filled, so I am a firm believer everything happens for a reason and God wants me here at this time.
Cecchini indicated he was somewhat surprised he cleared waivers and returned to the Mets.
I thought it was 50/50 I would return, just because I knew there were teams out there that would love to have me, Cecchini said. But I thought the timing part of it, when they did it, which was a week before camp reported, most rosters are filled, so I am a firm believer everything happens for a reason and God wants me here at this time.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the timing on Cecchini wasn't the Mets being dicks (and I know no one said this), but was more to make room for Justin Wilson, who didn't sign until late January.
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On May 9 of last season Cecchini, playing for Triple-A Las Vegas fouled a ball off his right foot and initially thought he had a bone bruise. He was diagnosed with a broken foot and placed in a walking boot. Before he could fully return there was a tear in the foot that ended his season.
Cecchini indicated he was somewhat surprised he cleared waivers and returned to the Mets.
I thought it was 50/50 I would return, just because I knew there were teams out there that would love to have me, Cecchini said. But I thought the timing part of it, when they did it, which was a week before camp reported, most rosters are filled, so I am a firm believer everything happens for a reason and God wants me here at this time.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the timing on Cecchini wasn't the Mets being dicks (and I know no one said this), but was more to make room for Justin Wilson, who didn't sign until late January.
PJ you aren't wrong. I think he's just "defending" himself being unclaimed aka "its not me, it's the timing". I refuse to give up the ghost on him being a potential big leaguer but 2b only profile is very, very tough and with Cano here.. he probably would have been better off having been claimed
Personally, I'd love it. Even better if they follow up by giving $100M to Kimbrel.
I never see it in the real world, ONLY online, which means it says something about the human condition. Is it intentional or instinct? Why online only? #NaturallyCurious"
Personally, I'd love it. Even better if they follow up by giving $100M to Kimbrel.
How is that more embarrassing for the Phillies than the Mets who didn't even make an offer?
If I'm a Phillies fan I know they tried and I feel like Arrenado or pipe dream Trout could be realistic targets in the future (in the unlikely event Trout hits FA), but as a Mets fan, I'm already crossing those names off my list and starting at the next level down of players.
Not embarrassing in the least bit for Philly IMO.
I never see it in the real world, ONLY online, which means it says something about the human condition. Is it intentional or instinct? Why online only? #NaturallyCurious"
LOL. He's an idiot Dan, long past being any kind of relevant. You should unfollow. I did a purge of my twitter feed and stopped following worthless people and it was really improvement. Best unfollow ever for me was was Frank Isola.
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for the Phillies if the Padres outbid them for both Machado and Harper.
Personally, I'd love it. Even better if they follow up by giving $100M to Kimbrel.
How is that more embarrassing for the Phillies than the Mets who didn't even make an offer?
If I'm a Phillies fan I know they tried and I feel like Arrenado or pipe dream Trout could be realistic targets in the future (in the unlikely event Trout hits FA), but as a Mets fan, I'm already crossing those names off my list and starting at the next level down of players.
Not embarrassing in the least bit for Philly IMO.
Philly themselves talked about spending "stupid money" this offseason. You really think it's "not embarrassing in the least bit" if they get outbid by the Padres on both players?
We'll have to disagree on that one. IMO, when you talk a big game and lose two stud players in their prime to the Padres over bidding, it's embarrassing.
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I never see it in the real world, ONLY online, which means it says something about the human condition. Is it intentional or instinct? Why online only? #NaturallyCurious"
LOL. He's an idiot Dan, long past being any kind of relevant. You should unfollow. I did a purge of my twitter feed and stopped following worthless people and it was really improvement. Best unfollow ever for me was was Frank Isola.
Isola is ridiculous. He somehow legit spins ANY story into something anti-Knick. I hope deep down he knows he's trolling and isn't how he is in real life lol
right and I doubt Trout even sniffs free agency, my point was more the fact the Phillies were competitive with these marquee free agents is already less embarrassing than the Mets. Almost like Sandy flippantly saying we don't need Stanton we have Nimmo (even though Nimmo had a breakout year - Sandy meant it tongue in cheek).
We've moved on. As I said back then and we had to. There was no way we could wait around. Bryce, I'm sure will make his decision hopefully in the next few days, but we've filled out our roster and like I said, we wish him nothing but the best."
Before the end of the 2018 season, the Nats presented Harper and his agent Scott Boras a 10-year, $300 million offer to which they declined.
There have been reports that multiple teams have been in on the Harper sweepstakes, most notably the Phillies, Padres and Giants. As far as recent talks with the Nationals? There haven't been any.
"But there's always that, the door's cracked a little bit," Lerner added. "I have no clue at this point what they're up to. We really haven't heard from them in a couple months."
Reading that site over the past 5 years has been incredibly educational. A rare chance on a free site to get inside the minds of what the cutting edge front office guys in baseball are thinking and how they break down problems and value players.
I'll miss Jeff's writing.
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A.J. Preller was asked if the Padres might still be in on Bryce Harper. He said a lot of words. None of them remotely denied it.
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Padres brass is meeting today to see if they can try for a 2nd mega star. Probably still a long shot but give them credit for brass you know whats
Thought those jerseys were already delivered?
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Mets continue to be vague on Jed Lowrie's knee injury other than to say it's "not serious." Team officials won't divulge the extent of the injury. Lowrie is here, but hasn't been made available to reporters. Mets clearly want the story to go away.
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If he gets paid only during the season he gets taxed at Cal rates. If he gets paid year round while in off season he wont have to pay state income taxes during those months while he is living in Florida
Baseball players are all wise to live in texas or florida in the off season so that they can meet the domicile threshold (only real sport that its easy to do so). It also helps that spring training states have tax benefits as well. To say that you do not have to pay income tax for games played in Cali is erroneous. There are ways to construct salary and bonus structure to assist with that though.
Is he going to play 1B for him? They already have three pretty good OFs who I think all project better defensively out there than he does.
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But I thought the jerseys were delivered last night? But he just made his decision today? Now? HMMMM
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Angels minor league LHP Bo Tucker and free agent RHP Joshua Payne, most recently with the Mets, have been suspended 50 games after second positive tests for a drug of abuse
The first MRI is the Met version of "earned his pinstripes".
ThTs the point... its less a diagnoses of the real problem, and more a diagnosis of the symptoms... translation, rest, and hope it gets better. It may. It may not. There could be an underlying major problem or not.
Hence the vague I mentioned the other day lol
would be cool to sit around this conversation (for Keith and Ron at least) (from SNY twitter)
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"We got confirmation that there was no major damage, so that is good news...I want to be out there with the guys on Opening Day."