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giantsFC : 2/20/2019 5:22 pm
I mean its not even day 1 yet. Glad they let Wilmer go for someone older w knee issues.

FTW.
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And just sign Gio and put a bow on this offseason already  
ZGiants98 : 2/21/2019 7:32 pm : link
I actually don't hate Vargas as the 5th starter but there seems to be guys out there pretty cheap at this point and we could use the depth.
RE: Thanks for giving us all a heart attack SHECKY!! ;)  
Shecky : 2/21/2019 7:34 pm : link
In comment 14302769 ZGiants98 said:
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Brodie Van Wagenen said on @wcbs880 that Jed Lowries MRI revealed no significant damage, and theyll bring him along slowly. #Mets


Im usually the second most optomistic one around here. Of the on,y two here. But personally, I dont see the good news there.
The good news is that there is no "significant damage".  
ZGiants98 : 2/21/2019 7:56 pm : link
If it was a tear it would have been easy to spot. What am I not seeing? A bruise/meniscus issue... whatever else Im fine with.

Like I said, if there's one thing we have a shit load of its IF depth. Even if Lowrie misses the beginning of the season, that doesn't bother me all that much.
Come on Shecky  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2019 8:02 pm : link
we're Mets fans.

this is good news because Lowrie still his his lower limbs, he didn't tear an ACL/MCL, he didn't have any significant damage.

if Lowrie is with the team for the start of the regular season this is good news.

Most of us were prepared for the worst, which may still happen "as they bring him along slowly", but for now there's still hope.
I think shecky's saying we're no closer to knowing if he'll be 100%  
Eric on Li : 2/21/2019 8:14 pm : link
whenever he returns. If he plays like crap bc he's slowed down by his knee, that's almost worse than if it was an MCL, he got the surgery now, and was back at 100% in 2 months. If it lingers like Cespedes' endless hamstring injuries, that may be the actual worst case scenario.

In the short term, this will seemingly give Frazier some more opportunity for playing time. 1B will likely still be 1 of the 3 kids. I'd imagine they will keep Mcneil in the OF until they have no other alternative, especially if Nimmo is banged up.
Surgery for what?  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2019 8:27 pm : link
his MRI is negative.

I'm not a medical expert, but I don't think they generally perform surgery on athletes to cure soreness.

Yeah he isnt having surgery if there isnt a tear.  
ZGiants98 : 2/21/2019 8:45 pm : link
Heck, even a torn meniscus guys are back in 6 weeks these days. The big concern for me was ACL. Especially, since it was the back of the knee. Seems like disaster is adverted.

It's probably a sprain, or a bruise, or tendinitis... any of which Im not too concerned about.
Dont get me wrong..  
ZGiants98 : 2/21/2019 8:51 pm : link
I love the Lowrie addition. For me, it was an extremely way to get an even "better" Marwin Gonzalez type on the roster for cheaper than MG was likely asking for. It was extremely creative.

It was still a move to create depth though. Im actually hoping Lowrie turns into a super sub and is no longer starting late in the year because that will mean McNeil is playing at a high level, Cespedes returned, Alonso is hitting, etc. All good things.

Lowrie is a nice hedge for most of those things not happening. He gives you a floor of wRC+ 115-120 which is nice. That doesnt mean he's irreplaceable though. Its probably not a huge drop off to guys like JD Davis, or even somebody like TJ Rivera for a while. We can withstand him missing a few games.

Heck, I welcome any guy to go down for a stint this year. Its going to happen. I just want NO knock out blows for once. No catastrophic season enders that change the entire landscape of the season like we've dealt with the last two years. If we can survive the complete heart breakers for once I think we are going to be playoff contention the last week of the season.
First extremely was supposed to be  
ZGiants98 : 2/21/2019 8:52 pm : link
"awesome"

ugh
I like Lowrie too  
CMicks3110 : 2/21/2019 9:14 pm : link
and I think he'll probably be ok.

The Mets have a ton of *good* players on their roster.

Elite players: deGrom, Syndergaard, Diaz
Potentially Elite Players: Conforto, Nimmo, Wheeler
Good Players: Cano, Lowrie, Ramos, Matz, Familia, McNeil, Lugo,
Likely Solid Contributors: Gsellman, J.Wilson, Frazier, Lagars, Broxton
High Upside Young Players: Alonso, JD Davis, Rosario
Question Marks: d'Arnaud, Vargas, Back of the bench/back of the bullpen.

So basically we only have a handful of question marks.
RE: Surgery for what?  
Eric on Li : 2/21/2019 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14302819 pjcas18 said:
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his MRI is negative.

I'm not a medical expert, but I don't think they generally perform surgery on athletes to cure soreness.


That's the point - the fact that there's no surgery could mean whatever the problem is might not be fixable. Just something he will have to live with or hope heals with rest. Obviously there's some kind of discomfort/concern beyond general soreness, and while it may be good there's no major acute injury (surgery) the alternative might be that it's something chronic which isn't necessarily better news.
sorry should say "isn't necessarily good news"  
Eric on Li : 2/21/2019 9:26 pm : link
obviously it's probably better news than major surgery. Although with major surgery at least they'd know the insurance money is coming back and would be free to reinvest it now.
RE: RE: Surgery for what?  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2019 9:27 pm : link
In comment 14302857 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14302819 pjcas18 said:


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his MRI is negative.

I'm not a medical expert, but I don't think they generally perform surgery on athletes to cure soreness.




That's the point - the fact that there's no surgery could mean whatever the problem is might not be fixable. Just something he will have to live with or hope heals with rest. Obviously there's some kind of discomfort/concern beyond general soreness, and while it may be good there's no major acute injury (surgery) the alternative might be that it's something chronic which isn't necessarily better news.


What's not fixable that is clean in an MRI? arthritis would show up in an MRI and/or x-ray, strain, sprain, tears, etc. would show up in an MRI.

again, I'm not a medical expert and I know as Mets fans, even good news can be bad, but I'm not worrying until there's something to worry about. So I worried until the MRI came back, now I won't worry.

RE: I like Lowrie too  
ZGiants98 : 2/21/2019 10:03 pm : link
In comment 14302850 CMicks3110 said:
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and I think he'll probably be ok.

The Mets have a ton of *good* players on their roster.

Elite players: deGrom, Syndergaard, Diaz
Potentially Elite Players: Conforto, Nimmo, Wheeler
Good Players: Cano, Lowrie, Ramos, Matz, Familia, McNeil, Lugo,
Likely Solid Contributors: Gsellman, J.Wilson, Frazier, Lagars, Broxton
High Upside Young Players: Alonso, JD Davis, Rosario
Question Marks: d'Arnaud, Vargas, Back of the bench/back of the bullpen.

So basically we only have a handful of question marks.


Good post but I think people are severely underestimating Cano. If he's healthy and hasn't started to regress yet (and there's no real reason to suggest he has) he essentially replaces "healthy Cespedes". We were talking about it on MMO and its true. Cespedes's best seasons ever are essentially Cano's "average". If you throw in that Cano can still play D and is providing offense from a much more difficult position.... I think people are going to be seriously surprised this year. Thats not to say that the decline is not coming eventually, but Cano very easily could be our best hitter this year.
Cano  
CMicks3110 : 2/21/2019 10:12 pm : link
cannot be counted on to be elite, even if healthy. That's why I don't bunch him in the elite group. The only reason I say that is because he is 36, and the only players recently that are that age and remained elite are pretty much Adrian Beltre and Carlos Beltran, and they started to fade a tad in their age 36 seasons.
Eh there's other guys out there too...  
ZGiants98 : 2/21/2019 10:21 pm : link
Cruz for one. Its rare but every once in a while you find a guy with good genetics who's built a certain way that can last longer than most. Cano is built like a bull, has stayed healthy almost his entire career, and simply has a beautiful swing. He was hitting bombs today ini practice.

Maybe Im griping but I'd have him at least in the "potentially elite" group but beyond your post I just felt it was something that needs to be said.

I think too many people are hung up on the contract and Kelenic and forgetting that this is an amazing player likely still playing at a high level this year.
Kelenic  
CMicks3110 : 2/21/2019 10:48 pm : link
wasn't considered as part of my grouping. I don't really worry about Kelenic and he doesn't go into my evaluation here.

I love Cano as a player. I am only speaking to his age. He had a 3.0 WAR in 80 games, which is great, it's borderline elite for a single season.

But again, he is 36. I hope I'm wrong. But I expect him to be a good not great player this year. Not a knock on him, just my realistic expectations. But that's a whole lot better than a lot of players out there.

My larger point is that the Mets have a lot of good players.

I am really really hopeful that *Pete* Alonso turns into a star and I think he will. I just see Mark McGwire written all over him. His power is immense.
This MLBINsider guy is a hilarious  
ZGiants98 : 2/22/2019 12:24 am : link
follow whether he's legit or not. Going on 2500 follows and he only opened the account a few months ago. Not bad. hehe.
Its weird guy I think was in on the padre  
bhill410 : 2/22/2019 2:39 am : link
Stuff earlier than anyone else (he constantly touts that and did a google check), but he was dead wrong on Machado going to white Sox. I dont think Harper to Phillies is really a stretch but his timing and all that is pretty definitive. If they do announce tomorrow after presser then I am inclined to believe his stuff about the Mets and Harper which was pseudo consistent with that rumor floated on Metsmesmerized earlier this year.
He's  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 7:38 am : link
100% fake. One of the people I speak to knows who he is and knows him personally. Made me promise not to say anything more because they are "friends". But he supplied evidence. Good on that dude to be getting attention but he's not an insider. His statement about timing proves nothing... Machado's presser is this morning and as of last night Harper didn't even have a deal (even per that guys own claims) so announcing AFTER Machado.. uh.. yeah. How could it happen any other way? lol

This

"MLB INSIDER


@MLBINSIDER_
12h12 hours ago
More
Hot Merch Alert:
The #Phillies have received their brand new Harper jerseys, and are ready to roll them out after it becomes official."

is fully illegal from the CBA. The league ratifies deals before they are allowed to print them. The way teams have "new" jerseys so quickly is printing them IN HOUSE on the fly. They wouldn't "receive" Harper jerseys. So that in-itself is a lie.
Yup-  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 7:38 am : link
"More
Replying to @MLBINSIDER_
Any Harper jerseys in the team store would originally be blanks, that are pressed in the Phillies team store, as it takes weeks for production/shipping for larger quantities (not to mention contractual issues with Majestic/Fanatics). That's how the Padres did it for Machado."
Lol  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 7:46 am : link
Matz said his sister dated Anthony Kay when they were kids
Mickey  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 7:51 am : link
says it's not a lock they carry a 2nd lefty. Avilan's velocity will be something to watch. 83-84 in September. Wilson isn't "great" vs. lefties so I still think they likely carry 2 but at least he's open to going with the better option if there is one.
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 7:53 am : link
Callaway says the Mets wont carry a second left-hander in the bullpen unless there is a worthy candidate. The manager says he is comfortable enough with Edwin Diaz, Jeurys Famila and Seth Lugo against lefties that an additional left-hander isnt paramount.

Very Mets lol  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 7:59 am : link
On May 9 of last season Cecchini, playing for Triple-A Las Vegas fouled a ball off his right foot and initially thought he had a bone bruise. He was diagnosed with a broken foot and placed in a walking boot. Before he could fully return there was a tear in the foot that ended his season.

Cecchini indicated he was somewhat surprised he cleared waivers and returned to the Mets.

I thought it was 50/50 I would return, just because I knew there were teams out there that would love to have me, Cecchini said. But I thought the timing part of it, when they did it, which was a week before camp reported, most rosters are filled, so I am a firm believer everything happens for a reason and God wants me here at this time.
Nats  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 8:17 am : link
Are all but out on Harper. Offered over 300 million.. with over 200 deferred. Harper still speaking to the Giants and Phillies with the Padres considering asking for a second meeting with Manny in the room. Phillies want to close this out but but haven't yet. That's the latest from an impeccable source. He's yet to pick his next team though the expectation is Philadelphia with Boras pushing for the highest AAV ever
RE: Very Mets lol  
pjcas18 : 2/22/2019 8:25 am : link
In comment 14302968 DanMetroMan said:
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On May 9 of last season Cecchini, playing for Triple-A Las Vegas fouled a ball off his right foot and initially thought he had a bone bruise. He was diagnosed with a broken foot and placed in a walking boot. Before he could fully return there was a tear in the foot that ended his season.

Cecchini indicated he was somewhat surprised he cleared waivers and returned to the Mets.

I thought it was 50/50 I would return, just because I knew there were teams out there that would love to have me, Cecchini said. But I thought the timing part of it, when they did it, which was a week before camp reported, most rosters are filled, so I am a firm believer everything happens for a reason and God wants me here at this time.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but the timing on Cecchini wasn't the Mets being dicks (and I know no one said this), but was more to make room for Justin Wilson, who didn't sign until late January.

RE: RE: Very Mets lol  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 8:48 am : link
In comment 14302982 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14302968 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:


On May 9 of last season Cecchini, playing for Triple-A Las Vegas fouled a ball off his right foot and initially thought he had a bone bruise. He was diagnosed with a broken foot and placed in a walking boot. Before he could fully return there was a tear in the foot that ended his season.

Cecchini indicated he was somewhat surprised he cleared waivers and returned to the Mets.

I thought it was 50/50 I would return, just because I knew there were teams out there that would love to have me, Cecchini said. But I thought the timing part of it, when they did it, which was a week before camp reported, most rosters are filled, so I am a firm believer everything happens for a reason and God wants me here at this time.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but the timing on Cecchini wasn't the Mets being dicks (and I know no one said this), but was more to make room for Justin Wilson, who didn't sign until late January.


PJ you aren't wrong. I think he's just "defending" himself being unclaimed aka "its not me, it's the timing". I refuse to give up the ghost on him being a potential big leaguer but 2b only profile is very, very tough and with Cano here.. he probably would have been better off having been claimed
Would be incredibly embarassing  
Metnut : 2/22/2019 8:50 am : link
for the Phillies if the Padres outbid them for both Machado and Harper.

Personally, I'd love it. Even better if they follow up by giving $100M to Kimbrel.
Uh? Matt Cerrone  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 8:56 am : link
"Always fascinated by human behavior, why do so many young woman smile w/ their tongue between their teeth?

I never see it in the real world, ONLY online, which means it says something about the human condition. Is it intentional or instinct? Why online only? #NaturallyCurious"
RE: Would be incredibly embarassing  
pjcas18 : 2/22/2019 9:05 am : link
In comment 14303002 Metnut said:
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for the Phillies if the Padres outbid them for both Machado and Harper.

Personally, I'd love it. Even better if they follow up by giving $100M to Kimbrel.


How is that more embarrassing for the Phillies than the Mets who didn't even make an offer?

If I'm a Phillies fan I know they tried and I feel like Arrenado or pipe dream Trout could be realistic targets in the future (in the unlikely event Trout hits FA), but as a Mets fan, I'm already crossing those names off my list and starting at the next level down of players.

Not embarrassing in the least bit for Philly IMO.
Kapler  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 9:07 am : link
Apparently is a already on the hot seat with some claiming the Phillies even discussed dumping him earlier this off season. Fully admit like Mickey loved the resume but yeesh
RE: Uh? Matt Cerrone  
Metnut : 2/22/2019 9:08 am : link
In comment 14303009 DanMetroMan said:
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"Always fascinated by human behavior, why do so many young woman smile w/ their tongue between their teeth?

I never see it in the real world, ONLY online, which means it says something about the human condition. Is it intentional or instinct? Why online only? #NaturallyCurious"


LOL. He's an idiot Dan, long past being any kind of relevant. You should unfollow. I did a purge of my twitter feed and stopped following worthless people and it was really improvement. Best unfollow ever for me was was Frank Isola.
My  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 9:09 am : link
guess is the Rockies lock up Arenado and soon. The owner seemed confident. If not, the favorites have to be the Yankees but you never know, once a player is traded all bets are off.
RE: RE: Would be incredibly embarassing  
Metnut : 2/22/2019 9:12 am : link
In comment 14303014 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14303002 Metnut said:


Quote:


for the Phillies if the Padres outbid them for both Machado and Harper.

Personally, I'd love it. Even better if they follow up by giving $100M to Kimbrel.



How is that more embarrassing for the Phillies than the Mets who didn't even make an offer?

If I'm a Phillies fan I know they tried and I feel like Arrenado or pipe dream Trout could be realistic targets in the future (in the unlikely event Trout hits FA), but as a Mets fan, I'm already crossing those names off my list and starting at the next level down of players.

Not embarrassing in the least bit for Philly IMO.


Philly themselves talked about spending "stupid money" this offseason. You really think it's "not embarrassing in the least bit" if they get outbid by the Padres on both players?

We'll have to disagree on that one. IMO, when you talk a big game and lose two stud players in their prime to the Padres over bidding, it's embarrassing.


RE: RE: Uh? Matt Cerrone  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 9:12 am : link
In comment 14303024 Metnut said:
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In comment 14303009 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:


"Always fascinated by human behavior, why do so many young woman smile w/ their tongue between their teeth?

I never see it in the real world, ONLY online, which means it says something about the human condition. Is it intentional or instinct? Why online only? #NaturallyCurious"



LOL. He's an idiot Dan, long past being any kind of relevant. You should unfollow. I did a purge of my twitter feed and stopped following worthless people and it was really improvement. Best unfollow ever for me was was Frank Isola.


Isola is ridiculous. He somehow legit spins ANY story into something anti-Knick. I hope deep down he knows he's trolling and isn't how he is in real life lol
RE: My  
pjcas18 : 2/22/2019 9:12 am : link
In comment 14303025 DanMetroMan said:
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guess is the Rockies lock up Arenado and soon. The owner seemed confident. If not, the favorites have to be the Yankees but you never know, once a player is traded all bets are off.


right and I doubt Trout even sniffs free agency, my point was more the fact the Phillies were competitive with these marquee free agents is already less embarrassing than the Mets. Almost like Sandy flippantly saying we don't need Stanton we have Nimmo (even though Nimmo had a breakout year - Sandy meant it tongue in cheek).
I  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 9:13 am : link
find Steve Phillips to be bizarre on twitter too. To his credit he responds to people but he's so staunchly pro-owners that it comes off really oddly.
TJ  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 9:24 am : link
Rivera admitted he's not 100% yet. So we can cross him off the OD roster. Man his rehab has been slow.
Nats  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 10:17 am : link
owner confirms they are "out" on Harper.
Full  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 10:18 am : link
quote doesn't 1000% close the door but...


We've moved on. As I said back then and we had to. There was no way we could wait around. Bryce, I'm sure will make his decision hopefully in the next few days, but we've filled out our roster and like I said, we wish him nothing but the best."

Before the end of the 2018 season, the Nats presented Harper and his agent Scott Boras a 10-year, $300 million offer to which they declined.

There have been reports that multiple teams have been in on the Harper sweepstakes, most notably the Phillies, Padres and Giants. As far as recent talks with the Nationals? There haven't been any.

"But there's always that, the door's cracked a little bit," Lerner added. "I have no clue at this point what they're up to. We really haven't heard from them in a couple months."
Thats awesome...  
ZGiants98 : 2/22/2019 10:22 am : link
Probably the one place he could not have gone IMO in terms of the Mets chances. I dont think the Phillies are necessarily better than the Mets with Harper although its probably close.
TJ  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 10:27 am : link
Rivera had TJ 9/14/2017. Pretty "crazy" he's still not 100%, what almost 18 months later? For a position player?
I think TJ must have re-injured or partially  
ZGiants98 : 2/22/2019 11:09 am : link
torn something when he tried to come back last year. Only explanation to still not being 100%. Not good.
Machado  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 11:59 am : link
officially introduced as a Padre. Will play 3b.
Jeff Sullivan from fangraphs  
Metnut : 2/22/2019 12:01 pm : link
taking a job with the Tampa Rays. Cameron left to go to the Padres last year, and other writers have gotten jobs for teams too.

Reading that site over the past 5 years has been incredibly educational. A rare chance on a free site to get inside the minds of what the cutting edge front office guys in baseball are thinking and how they break down problems and value players.

I'll miss Jeff's writing.
Padres  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 12:05 pm : link
do NOT deny interest in Harper and the FO will be meeting to discuss "the next move" as an organization. So much for Harper to the Phillies being a done deal with jerseys already delivered.
..  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 12:08 pm : link
Jared Diamond
@jareddiamond

15m
A.J. Preller was asked if the Padres might still be in on Bryce Harper. He said a lot of words. None of them remotely denied it.


Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman

5m
Padres brass is meeting today to see if they can try for a 2nd mega star. Probably still a long shot but give them credit for brass you know whats


Thought those jerseys were already delivered?
With  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 12:10 pm : link
Santana off the board, gotta hope for Gio or Buchholz, I wouldn't even bother with Edwin Jackson. Colon time baby!
Heyman  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2019 12:12 pm : link
says prior to Manny committing the Padres had an offer to Harper worth more overall money than the Manny offer. That may include bonuses etc. Imagine they really do land both? Jeez.
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