If you click the link and scroll down you'll see a tweet from Louis Riddick, with a slightly different order, but with Eli Manning still at #5. So it's not just one source.
Think about that. Eli is the 5th best QB in a 4 team division.
As for BBI creating thread after thread after thread after thread citing the same thing in just a different way..... well we are up to 1,482,294 and it’s still on February!
He joined in 2018 and 90% of his posts are getting rid of Eli. So either he’s an agent of a rookie QB in this class or a former poster on his 10th screen name.... he sure as hell is driving his point home on an hourly basis.
And without his star WR for the last 5 games or so... He threw for 4300 yards and completed 66% of hus passes. If he'd had a few more TD throws... We'd be talking about how Eli was coming off one of his best statistical seasons.
He joined in 2018 and 90% of his posts are getting rid of Eli. So either he’s an agent of a rookie QB in this class or a former poster on his 10th screen name.... he sure as hell is driving his point home on an hourly basis.
I thin khe's just a troll. Or an insecure kid whose only validation in life is seeing his name in the "Started By" column.
But it sounds like we’re all in on Eli once again because he gives us the best chance of winning.
A few games.
I think that's a false premise. *Unless* the Giants pick Haskins at #6...something that you, yourself, have stated numerous times that you *would not do*. If they do the wiser, more strategic thing and wait for 2020, then ELi plays it out. His presence says nothing about them being "all in" whatsoever.
Barkley isn't the best running back in football...
False.. they chose him as the best rb for 2018.. Grading doesn't tell the complete story. They say that multiple times.. when it came time to pick the best RB they chose Barkley..
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PFF grades for anything. How many times does it needed to be stated that they are purely objective by nerds who never played a down in their life?
QBR
PFF
DYAR
DVOA
Are they all trash?
And so is a lot of your posts.... 02/19
Time to play...... NAME THAT DUPE!!!
I had to re-register this handle; I've been a part of BBI since the corner forum was called Pete's corner where people had endless arguments whether Danny Kannell had "it" and when BW in DC called Strahan "$trahan" throughout the 99' season.
Even if I was a new user, however, who f%ckin' cares? I'm pretty the spirit of this forum isn't geared toward screaming "dupe!" at every new poster who shares a different perspective than you.
I'm sorry all the advanced numbers (and let's face it, a lot conventional) numbers have Eli at replacement level since 2016. It's offensive, I know. I'll stop.
He joined in 2018 and 90% of his posts are getting rid of Eli. So either he’s an agent of a rookie QB in this class or a former poster on his 10th screen name.... he sure as hell is driving his point home on an hourly basis.
Like you, Dep, I’ve been reading BBI for quite awhile. I had to re-register my name because something got messed up with my old one.
No, I’m not an agent (that would be awesome, though), just a fan who knows we need to move on. My posts last year were on the same subject. Eli has been terrible these last two seasons.
Even if you think Eli has one good year left, exactly why does that mean the Giants should avoid the QB class this year like the plague? Should teams not plan for the future, and only address it when the present arrives? This run it back nonsense is getting old.
And it’s not just me that thinks that. You can accuse PFF of utter stupidity. But don’t you find it amusing that nearly every mock draft out there has us picking a QB? Do you think that is sheer coincidence? Objective viewers see the Giants’ glaring need for a new QB. The fans who can move on here do as well. It’s just the die hard Eli apologists who can’t. And guess what? Next year you’ll say the same thing. The OL was bad. Or something else. You’ll blame yet another bad season on someone other than Eli, say he has one good year left, advocate running it back yet again, and going for Lawrence in 2021, even though it will take the 1 pick to get him. Can’t you see a troubling trend here. Eli is 8-23 in his last 31 games. Is that not at least somewhat to blame on him, particularly considering he has the fewest TD passes over that time?
But yea, I’m the jackass for pointing it out. What else would you like to talk about in the offseason, particularly after some insiders posted we are again all in on Eli and will pass up QBs? Butterflies? Maybe Shurmur will address the position in round 7 with his son. Sounds great!
What's the more likely explanation: this board is full of dupes puppeting an anti-Eli agenda or that more and more fans have grown unenthusiastic about seeing him under center again, given recent results, and are voicing their opinion.
Don’t you know? For some it’s not enough to have a generational WR Â
and a generational RB, we need a generational OL and defense too. Then we can judge Eli, only then. Of course, next year if we go 6-10, it will be the defense’s fault.
The only way to know is that we draft a Qb this year and he plays mid-year and transforms the team, much like Mayfield. Until then, you are not going to get Eli homers to hold him accountable.
What's the more likely explanation: this board is full of dupes puppeting an anti-Eli agenda or that more and more fans have grown unenthusiastic about seeing him under center again, given recent results, and are voicing their opinion.
A board full of dupes actually.
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and a generational RB, we need a generational OL and defense too. Then we can judge Eli, only then. Of course, next year if we go 6-10, it will be the defense’s fault.
The only way to know is that we draft a Qb this year and he plays mid-year and transforms the team, much like Mayfield. Until then, you are not going to get Eli homers to hold him accountable.
Agreed. It’s absurd. And I have no idea why posters get such vitriol for expressing their views. I want the Giants to draft an Eli successor. That doesn’t mean I love forgotten the two titles he brought us, or the class act he’s been during his time here. But this nonsense that we need an instant impact player at 6 because we’ve gotta get more pieces for Eli is nuts. The fact is that no matter who we pick, most rookies struggle out of the gate. People here think we’re picking an edge rusher at 6 and getting a Hall of Famer.
Yes, Nelson was picked at 6 last year and worked out terrifically for the Colts. But players like him are the exception, not the rule. While the guy we pick may help, it’s unlikely the guy is going to come in his first year and add several wins to this team’s bottom line. We have to think long term with the pick, not what will help Eli most next year - that is precisely how you ruin a franchise.
What's the more likely explanation: this board is full of dupes puppeting an anti-Eli agenda or that more and more fans have grown unenthusiastic about seeing him under center again, given recent results, and are voicing their opinion.
A board full of dupes actually.
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and a generational RB, we need a generational OL and defense too. Then we can judge Eli, only then. Of course, next year if we go 6-10, it will be the defense’s fault.
The only way to know is that we draft a Qb this year and he plays mid-year and transforms the team, much like Mayfield. Until then, you are not going to get Eli homers to hold him accountable.
Agreed. It’s absurd. And I have no idea why posters get such vitriol for expressing their views. I want the Giants to draft an Eli successor. That doesn’t mean I love forgotten the two titles he brought us, or the class act he’s been during his time here. But this nonsense that we need an instant impact player at 6 because we’ve gotta get more pieces for Eli is nuts. The fact is that no matter who we pick, most rookies struggle out of the gate. People here think we’re picking an edge rusher at 6 and getting a Hall of Famer.
Yes, Nelson was picked at 6 last year and worked out terrifically for the Colts. But players like him are the exception, not the rule. While the guy we pick may help, it’s unlikely the guy is going to come in his first year and add several wins to this team’s bottom line. We have to think long term with the pick, not what will help Eli most next year - that is precisely how you ruin a franchise.
So take a QB you arent in love with? Or hsa a ton of question marks? Yeah thats the way to approach a successor.
Its posters like you and Jim who I just cant fathom as fans. First off Eli hasnt been "bad" the past two years. You just see what you want to see. He hasnt played at a pro bowl level. I mean 4300 yards and 21/11 may not be a great year, but its anything but bad.
You know what has been bad? Our defense. You know what has been bad? Our OL. Our run game for the past 10 years has been one of the worst in football. Our defesne, outside of 2016 - has been as well.
But again, I can see why the priority HAS to be the QB - no matter how average the options may be to replace him. Why get better on the OL/DL.... amirite?
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Its posters like you and Jim who I just cant fathom as fans.
What is the point/relevance of this whole bit you have about whether people criticizing Eli are good "fans" or not?
whats the point of repeating the same threads day after day. Saying the same things day after day. Whats the point of starting a threads that is already being discussed day after day....
and a generational RB, we need a generational OL and defense too. Then we can judge Eli, only then. Of course, next year if we go 6-10, it will be the defense’s fault.
The only way to know is that we draft a Qb this year and he plays mid-year and transforms the team, much like Mayfield. Until then, you are not going to get Eli homers to hold him accountable.
Agreed. It’s absurd. And I have no idea why posters get such vitriol for expressing their views. I want the Giants to draft an Eli successor. That doesn’t mean I love forgotten the two titles he brought us, or the class act he’s been during his time here. But this nonsense that we need an instant impact player at 6 because we’ve gotta get more pieces for Eli is nuts. The fact is that no matter who we pick, most rookies struggle out of the gate. People here think we’re picking an edge rusher at 6 and getting a Hall of Famer.
Yes, Nelson was picked at 6 last year and worked out terrifically for the Colts. But players like him are the exception, not the rule. While the guy we pick may help, it’s unlikely the guy is going to come in his first year and add several wins to this team’s bottom line. We have to think long term with the pick, not what will help Eli most next year - that is precisely how you ruin a franchise.
So take a QB you arent in love with? Or hsa a ton of question marks? Yeah thats the way to approach a successor.
Its posters like you and Jim who I just cant fathom as fans. First off Eli hasnt been "bad" the past two years. You just see what you want to see. He hasnt played at a pro bowl level. I mean 4300 yards and 21/11 may not be a great year, but its anything but bad.
You know what has been bad? Our defense. You know what has been bad? Our OL. Our run game for the past 10 years has been one of the worst in football. Our defesne, outside of 2016 - has been as well.
But again, I can see why the priority HAS to be the QB - no matter how average the options may be to replace him. Why get better on the OL/DL.... amirite?
I have never said pick a QB for the sake of picking a QB. So, no, you’re not right. The Giants seem not only set on Eli in 2019, but not picking a QB because of that decision. That is the precise way not to build a team.
The Giants are bad for a lot of reasons. One is QB. Because that is the most important position, they better start with the process of landing one. At this time, the staff appears to have no urgency in doing so, and I think that is a grave mistake.
As far as Eli, you can’t just cite his stats and tell me he’s been good. Look at him relative to the rest of the league. He is below average in nearly every category. That is how you judge a QB. Giving me his numbers in isolation means nothing. He is literally dead last in TD passes amongst QBs who have started the last two seasons. Does that sound good to you? Is that what you are looking for in a QB?
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He is literally dead last in TD passes amongst QBs who have started the last two seasons. Does that sound good to you? Is that what you are looking for in a QB?
Is he really?
I guess guys like Alex Smith, Joe flacco, Blake Bortles, Alex Smith, Marcus Mariota, and Mitch Trubisky dont exist in your world.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Don’t you know? For some it’s not enough to have a generational WR Â
and a generational RB, we need a generational OL and defense too. Then we can judge Eli, only then. Of course, next year if we go 6-10, it will be the defense’s fault.
The only way to know is that we draft a Qb this year and he plays mid-year and transforms the team, much like Mayfield. Until then, you are not going to get Eli homers to hold him accountable.
Agreed. It’s absurd. And I have no idea why posters get such vitriol for expressing their views. I want the Giants to draft an Eli successor. That doesn’t mean I love forgotten the two titles he brought us, or the class act he’s been during his time here. But this nonsense that we need an instant impact player at 6 because we’ve gotta get more pieces for Eli is nuts. The fact is that no matter who we pick, most rookies struggle out of the gate. People here think we’re picking an edge rusher at 6 and getting a Hall of Famer.
Yes, Nelson was picked at 6 last year and worked out terrifically for the Colts. But players like him are the exception, not the rule. While the guy we pick may help, it’s unlikely the guy is going to come in his first year and add several wins to this team’s bottom line. We have to think long term with the pick, not what will help Eli most next year - that is precisely how you ruin a franchise.
So take a QB you arent in love with? Or hsa a ton of question marks? Yeah thats the way to approach a successor.
Its posters like you and Jim who I just cant fathom as fans. First off Eli hasnt been "bad" the past two years. You just see what you want to see. He hasnt played at a pro bowl level. I mean 4300 yards and 21/11 may not be a great year, but its anything but bad.
You know what has been bad? Our defense. You know what has been bad? Our OL. Our run game for the past 10 years has been one of the worst in football. Our defesne, outside of 2016 - has been as well.
But again, I can see why the priority HAS to be the QB - no matter how average the options may be to replace him. Why get better on the OL/DL.... amirite?
I have never said pick a QB for the sake of picking a QB. So, no, you’re not right. The Giants seem not only set on Eli in 2019, but not picking a QB because of that decision. That is the precise way not to build a team.
The Giants are bad for a lot of reasons. One is QB. Because that is the most important position, they better start with the process of landing one. At this time, the staff appears to have no urgency in doing so, and I think that is a grave mistake.
How the fuck do you know what the Giants are doing? Shit, I am sure the Giants arent 100% sure because the comboine and pro days havent happened. But you know for a FACT that they have no urgency and you know for a FACT they arent picking a QB because Eli is the QB for 2019.
Please dont speak in absolutes when you dont know shit.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Don’t you know? For some it’s not enough to have a generational WR Â
and a generational RB, we need a generational OL and defense too. Then we can judge Eli, only then. Of course, next year if we go 6-10, it will be the defense’s fault.
The only way to know is that we draft a Qb this year and he plays mid-year and transforms the team, much like Mayfield. Until then, you are not going to get Eli homers to hold him accountable.
Agreed. It’s absurd. And I have no idea why posters get such vitriol for expressing their views. I want the Giants to draft an Eli successor. That doesn’t mean I love forgotten the two titles he brought us, or the class act he’s been during his time here. But this nonsense that we need an instant impact player at 6 because we’ve gotta get more pieces for Eli is nuts. The fact is that no matter who we pick, most rookies struggle out of the gate. People here think we’re picking an edge rusher at 6 and getting a Hall of Famer.
Yes, Nelson was picked at 6 last year and worked out terrifically for the Colts. But players like him are the exception, not the rule. While the guy we pick may help, it’s unlikely the guy is going to come in his first year and add several wins to this team’s bottom line. We have to think long term with the pick, not what will help Eli most next year - that is precisely how you ruin a franchise.
So take a QB you arent in love with? Or hsa a ton of question marks? Yeah thats the way to approach a successor.
Its posters like you and Jim who I just cant fathom as fans. First off Eli hasnt been "bad" the past two years. You just see what you want to see. He hasnt played at a pro bowl level. I mean 4300 yards and 21/11 may not be a great year, but its anything but bad.
You know what has been bad? Our defense. You know what has been bad? Our OL. Our run game for the past 10 years has been one of the worst in football. Our defesne, outside of 2016 - has been as well.
But again, I can see why the priority HAS to be the QB - no matter how average the options may be to replace him. Why get better on the OL/DL.... amirite?
I have never said pick a QB for the sake of picking a QB. So, no, you’re not right. The Giants seem not only set on Eli in 2019, but not picking a QB because of that decision. That is the precise way not to build a team.
The Giants are bad for a lot of reasons. One is QB. Because that is the most important position, they better start with the process of landing one. At this time, the staff appears to have no urgency in doing so, and I think that is a grave mistake.
How the fuck do you know what the Giants are doing? Shit, I am sure the Giants arent 100% sure because the comboine and pro days havent happened. But you know for a FACT that they have no urgency and you know for a FACT they arent picking a QB because Eli is the QB for 2019.
Please dont speak in absolutes when you dont know shit.
Dep, stop acting like a child. I’m not pretending to know what the Giants will do; I am basing it off of what jtgiants and JonC reported yesterday. Could that change after combine? Sure.
As far as the TD passed, all the guys you cited missed significant portions of either one or both years due to injury. Smith broke his leg. Trubisky fury his shoulder this year and didn’t even start until the middle of last season. Mariota has missed significant time due to injury. Bortles was benched this season. And that’s what you’re going on? Comparing him to Bortles! If so, you’ve already lost.
but we have BY FAR the 5th best offensive line in a 4 team division, even if Washington’s was decimated by injury.
I would love to know when is anything ever Eli's fault? So because he can't throw the football away or scramble to avoid being sacked or throwing picks, the blame will always rest on the O-Line. Not saying our offensive line is great or anything but again, when is he ever at fault?
but we have BY FAR the 5th best offensive line in a 4 team division, even if Washington’s was decimated by injury.
I would love to know when is anything ever Eli's fault? So because he can't throw the football away or scramble to avoid being sacked or throwing picks, the blame will always rest on the O-Line. Not saying our offensive line is great or anything but again, when is he ever at fault?
but we have BY FAR the 5th best offensive line in a 4 team division, even if Washington’s was decimated by injury.
I would love to know when is anything ever Eli's fault? So because he can't throw the football away or scramble to avoid being sacked or throwing picks, the blame will always rest on the O-Line. Not saying our offensive line is great or anything but again, when is he ever at fault?
When you say it is!
All knowing Oz!
I'm sorry in your eyes your boy can't do any wrong.
I'm sorry in your eyes your boy can't do any wrong.
I am sorry. I see you blaming Eli for not making players around him better, but I do not see me absolving him of anything.
Just making up shit to see your posts or feel important? Which one?
So I'm making up shit that the Eli fan boys use as excuses for his shitty play? Ok. I'm still waiting to hear what exactly he does WELL that leads to team success on the field? Let me guess, he's a 2 time Super Bowl MVP (Should have been the Defense), Champion, blah blah blah.
I'm sorry in your eyes your boy can't do any wrong.
I am sorry. I see you blaming Eli for not making players around him better, but I do not see me absolving him of anything.
Just making up shit to see your posts or feel important? Which one?
So I'm making up shit that the Eli fan boys use as excuses for his shitty play? Ok. I'm still waiting to hear what exactly he does WELL that leads to team success on the field? Let me guess, he's a 2 time Super Bowl MVP (Should have been the Defense), Champion, blah blah blah.
Why even bother answering your question when you spew the same nonsense every thread and take shots at him when you can?
Your agenda and act is pathetic. But this is what BBI turns too when there is nothing else to talk about.
Think about that. Eli is the 5th best QB in a 4 team division.
Otoh, people actually care what Francessa thinks, so there’s that
But it sounds like we’re all in on Eli once again because he gives us the best chance of winning.
A few games.
How much longer do you think Eli can play at a “high” level, and when and how do you think the Giants should address the matter of his successor.
I get your loyalty to him, I felt the same way about Simms and was really disappointed when he was released at the age of 40.
But what is your plan going forward
Isn’t every thread started?
But what is your plan going forward
Eli has at best 1 more year with the Giants.
As for BBI creating thread after thread after thread after thread citing the same thing in just a different way..... well we are up to 1,482,294 and it’s still on February!
He joined in 2018 and 90% of his posts are getting rid of Eli. So either he’s an agent of a rookie QB in this class or a former poster on his 10th screen name.... he sure as hell is driving his point home on an hourly basis.
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but this is like front page news...
He joined in 2018 and 90% of his posts are getting rid of Eli. So either he’s an agent of a rookie QB in this class or a former poster on his 10th screen name.... he sure as hell is driving his point home on an hourly basis.
I thin khe's just a troll. Or an insecure kid whose only validation in life is seeing his name in the "Started By" column.
Or both.
But it sounds like we’re all in on Eli once again because he gives us the best chance of winning.
A few games.
I think that's a false premise. *Unless* the Giants pick Haskins at #6...something that you, yourself, have stated numerous times that you *would not do*. If they do the wiser, more strategic thing and wait for 2020, then ELi plays it out. His presence says nothing about them being "all in" whatsoever.
You, as usual, are trying to be pejorative.
I watched the rams get to the SB with a QB who was fucking pathetic his last 8 games.
QBR
PFF
DYAR
DVOA
Are they all trash?
Tell me their grading isn't full of shit.
Tell me their grading isn't full of shit.
Really? Let me share a link for you.
PFF all pro team. - ( New Window )
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PFF grades for anything. How many times does it needed to be stated that they are purely objective by nerds who never played a down in their life?
QBR
PFF
DYAR
DVOA
Are they all trash?
Yeah.... pretty much.
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PFF grades for anything. How many times does it needed to be stated that they are purely objective by nerds who never played a down in their life?
QBR
PFF
DYAR
DVOA
Are they all trash?
And so is a lot of your posts.... 02/19
Time to play...... NAME THAT DUPE!!!
False.. they chose him as the best rb for 2018.. Grading doesn't tell the complete story. They say that multiple times.. when it came time to pick the best RB they chose Barkley..
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PFF grades for anything. How many times does it needed to be stated that they are purely objective by nerds who never played a down in their life?
QBR
PFF
DYAR
DVOA
Are they all trash?
And so is a lot of your posts.... 02/19
Time to play...... NAME THAT DUPE!!!
I had to re-register this handle; I've been a part of BBI since the corner forum was called Pete's corner where people had endless arguments whether Danny Kannell had "it" and when BW in DC called Strahan "$trahan" throughout the 99' season.
Even if I was a new user, however, who f%ckin' cares? I'm pretty the spirit of this forum isn't geared toward screaming "dupe!" at every new poster who shares a different perspective than you.
I'm sorry all the advanced numbers (and let's face it, a lot conventional) numbers have Eli at replacement level since 2016. It's offensive, I know. I'll stop.
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but this is like front page news...
He joined in 2018 and 90% of his posts are getting rid of Eli. So either he’s an agent of a rookie QB in this class or a former poster on his 10th screen name.... he sure as hell is driving his point home on an hourly basis.
Like you, Dep, I’ve been reading BBI for quite awhile. I had to re-register my name because something got messed up with my old one.
No, I’m not an agent (that would be awesome, though), just a fan who knows we need to move on. My posts last year were on the same subject. Eli has been terrible these last two seasons.
Even if you think Eli has one good year left, exactly why does that mean the Giants should avoid the QB class this year like the plague? Should teams not plan for the future, and only address it when the present arrives? This run it back nonsense is getting old.
And it’s not just me that thinks that. You can accuse PFF of utter stupidity. But don’t you find it amusing that nearly every mock draft out there has us picking a QB? Do you think that is sheer coincidence? Objective viewers see the Giants’ glaring need for a new QB. The fans who can move on here do as well. It’s just the die hard Eli apologists who can’t. And guess what? Next year you’ll say the same thing. The OL was bad. Or something else. You’ll blame yet another bad season on someone other than Eli, say he has one good year left, advocate running it back yet again, and going for Lawrence in 2021, even though it will take the 1 pick to get him. Can’t you see a troubling trend here. Eli is 8-23 in his last 31 games. Is that not at least somewhat to blame on him, particularly considering he has the fewest TD passes over that time?
But yea, I’m the jackass for pointing it out. What else would you like to talk about in the offseason, particularly after some insiders posted we are again all in on Eli and will pass up QBs? Butterflies? Maybe Shurmur will address the position in round 7 with his son. Sounds great!
What's the more likely explanation: this board is full of dupes puppeting an anti-Eli agenda or that more and more fans have grown unenthusiastic about seeing him under center again, given recent results, and are voicing their opinion.
The only way to know is that we draft a Qb this year and he plays mid-year and transforms the team, much like Mayfield. Until then, you are not going to get Eli homers to hold him accountable.
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2 for 2 today!
What's the more likely explanation: this board is full of dupes puppeting an anti-Eli agenda or that more and more fans have grown unenthusiastic about seeing him under center again, given recent results, and are voicing their opinion.
A board full of dupes actually.
The only way to know is that we draft a Qb this year and he plays mid-year and transforms the team, much like Mayfield. Until then, you are not going to get Eli homers to hold him accountable.
Agreed. It’s absurd. And I have no idea why posters get such vitriol for expressing their views. I want the Giants to draft an Eli successor. That doesn’t mean I love forgotten the two titles he brought us, or the class act he’s been during his time here. But this nonsense that we need an instant impact player at 6 because we’ve gotta get more pieces for Eli is nuts. The fact is that no matter who we pick, most rookies struggle out of the gate. People here think we’re picking an edge rusher at 6 and getting a Hall of Famer.
Yes, Nelson was picked at 6 last year and worked out terrifically for the Colts. But players like him are the exception, not the rule. While the guy we pick may help, it’s unlikely the guy is going to come in his first year and add several wins to this team’s bottom line. We have to think long term with the pick, not what will help Eli most next year - that is precisely how you ruin a franchise.
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2 for 2 today!
What's the more likely explanation: this board is full of dupes puppeting an anti-Eli agenda or that more and more fans have grown unenthusiastic about seeing him under center again, given recent results, and are voicing their opinion.
A board full of dupes actually.
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and a generational RB, we need a generational OL and defense too. Then we can judge Eli, only then. Of course, next year if we go 6-10, it will be the defense’s fault.
The only way to know is that we draft a Qb this year and he plays mid-year and transforms the team, much like Mayfield. Until then, you are not going to get Eli homers to hold him accountable.
Agreed. It’s absurd. And I have no idea why posters get such vitriol for expressing their views. I want the Giants to draft an Eli successor. That doesn’t mean I love forgotten the two titles he brought us, or the class act he’s been during his time here. But this nonsense that we need an instant impact player at 6 because we’ve gotta get more pieces for Eli is nuts. The fact is that no matter who we pick, most rookies struggle out of the gate. People here think we’re picking an edge rusher at 6 and getting a Hall of Famer.
Yes, Nelson was picked at 6 last year and worked out terrifically for the Colts. But players like him are the exception, not the rule. While the guy we pick may help, it’s unlikely the guy is going to come in his first year and add several wins to this team’s bottom line. We have to think long term with the pick, not what will help Eli most next year - that is precisely how you ruin a franchise.
So take a QB you arent in love with? Or hsa a ton of question marks? Yeah thats the way to approach a successor.
Its posters like you and Jim who I just cant fathom as fans. First off Eli hasnt been "bad" the past two years. You just see what you want to see. He hasnt played at a pro bowl level. I mean 4300 yards and 21/11 may not be a great year, but its anything but bad.
You know what has been bad? Our defense. You know what has been bad? Our OL. Our run game for the past 10 years has been one of the worst in football. Our defesne, outside of 2016 - has been as well.
But again, I can see why the priority HAS to be the QB - no matter how average the options may be to replace him. Why get better on the OL/DL.... amirite?
What is the point/relevance of this whole bit you have about whether people criticizing Eli are good "fans" or not?
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Its posters like you and Jim who I just cant fathom as fans.
What is the point/relevance of this whole bit you have about whether people criticizing Eli are good "fans" or not?
whats the point of repeating the same threads day after day. Saying the same things day after day. Whats the point of starting a threads that is already being discussed day after day....
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and a generational RB, we need a generational OL and defense too. Then we can judge Eli, only then. Of course, next year if we go 6-10, it will be the defense’s fault.
The only way to know is that we draft a Qb this year and he plays mid-year and transforms the team, much like Mayfield. Until then, you are not going to get Eli homers to hold him accountable.
Agreed. It’s absurd. And I have no idea why posters get such vitriol for expressing their views. I want the Giants to draft an Eli successor. That doesn’t mean I love forgotten the two titles he brought us, or the class act he’s been during his time here. But this nonsense that we need an instant impact player at 6 because we’ve gotta get more pieces for Eli is nuts. The fact is that no matter who we pick, most rookies struggle out of the gate. People here think we’re picking an edge rusher at 6 and getting a Hall of Famer.
Yes, Nelson was picked at 6 last year and worked out terrifically for the Colts. But players like him are the exception, not the rule. While the guy we pick may help, it’s unlikely the guy is going to come in his first year and add several wins to this team’s bottom line. We have to think long term with the pick, not what will help Eli most next year - that is precisely how you ruin a franchise.
So take a QB you arent in love with? Or hsa a ton of question marks? Yeah thats the way to approach a successor.
Its posters like you and Jim who I just cant fathom as fans. First off Eli hasnt been "bad" the past two years. You just see what you want to see. He hasnt played at a pro bowl level. I mean 4300 yards and 21/11 may not be a great year, but its anything but bad.
You know what has been bad? Our defense. You know what has been bad? Our OL. Our run game for the past 10 years has been one of the worst in football. Our defesne, outside of 2016 - has been as well.
But again, I can see why the priority HAS to be the QB - no matter how average the options may be to replace him. Why get better on the OL/DL.... amirite?
I have never said pick a QB for the sake of picking a QB. So, no, you’re not right. The Giants seem not only set on Eli in 2019, but not picking a QB because of that decision. That is the precise way not to build a team.
The Giants are bad for a lot of reasons. One is QB. Because that is the most important position, they better start with the process of landing one. At this time, the staff appears to have no urgency in doing so, and I think that is a grave mistake.
As far as Eli, you can’t just cite his stats and tell me he’s been good. Look at him relative to the rest of the league. He is below average in nearly every category. That is how you judge a QB. Giving me his numbers in isolation means nothing. He is literally dead last in TD passes amongst QBs who have started the last two seasons. Does that sound good to you? Is that what you are looking for in a QB?
He is literally dead last in TD passes amongst QBs who have started the last two seasons. Does that sound good to you? Is that what you are looking for in a QB?
Is he really?
I guess guys like Alex Smith, Joe flacco, Blake Bortles, Alex Smith, Marcus Mariota, and Mitch Trubisky dont exist in your world.
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In comment 14302197 Jim in Hoboken said:
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and a generational RB, we need a generational OL and defense too. Then we can judge Eli, only then. Of course, next year if we go 6-10, it will be the defense’s fault.
The only way to know is that we draft a Qb this year and he plays mid-year and transforms the team, much like Mayfield. Until then, you are not going to get Eli homers to hold him accountable.
Agreed. It’s absurd. And I have no idea why posters get such vitriol for expressing their views. I want the Giants to draft an Eli successor. That doesn’t mean I love forgotten the two titles he brought us, or the class act he’s been during his time here. But this nonsense that we need an instant impact player at 6 because we’ve gotta get more pieces for Eli is nuts. The fact is that no matter who we pick, most rookies struggle out of the gate. People here think we’re picking an edge rusher at 6 and getting a Hall of Famer.
Yes, Nelson was picked at 6 last year and worked out terrifically for the Colts. But players like him are the exception, not the rule. While the guy we pick may help, it’s unlikely the guy is going to come in his first year and add several wins to this team’s bottom line. We have to think long term with the pick, not what will help Eli most next year - that is precisely how you ruin a franchise.
So take a QB you arent in love with? Or hsa a ton of question marks? Yeah thats the way to approach a successor.
Its posters like you and Jim who I just cant fathom as fans. First off Eli hasnt been "bad" the past two years. You just see what you want to see. He hasnt played at a pro bowl level. I mean 4300 yards and 21/11 may not be a great year, but its anything but bad.
You know what has been bad? Our defense. You know what has been bad? Our OL. Our run game for the past 10 years has been one of the worst in football. Our defesne, outside of 2016 - has been as well.
But again, I can see why the priority HAS to be the QB - no matter how average the options may be to replace him. Why get better on the OL/DL.... amirite?
I have never said pick a QB for the sake of picking a QB. So, no, you’re not right. The Giants seem not only set on Eli in 2019, but not picking a QB because of that decision. That is the precise way not to build a team.
The Giants are bad for a lot of reasons. One is QB. Because that is the most important position, they better start with the process of landing one. At this time, the staff appears to have no urgency in doing so, and I think that is a grave mistake.
How the fuck do you know what the Giants are doing? Shit, I am sure the Giants arent 100% sure because the comboine and pro days havent happened. But you know for a FACT that they have no urgency and you know for a FACT they arent picking a QB because Eli is the QB for 2019.
Please dont speak in absolutes when you dont know shit.
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In comment 14302197 Jim in Hoboken said:
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and a generational RB, we need a generational OL and defense too. Then we can judge Eli, only then. Of course, next year if we go 6-10, it will be the defense’s fault.
The only way to know is that we draft a Qb this year and he plays mid-year and transforms the team, much like Mayfield. Until then, you are not going to get Eli homers to hold him accountable.
Agreed. It’s absurd. And I have no idea why posters get such vitriol for expressing their views. I want the Giants to draft an Eli successor. That doesn’t mean I love forgotten the two titles he brought us, or the class act he’s been during his time here. But this nonsense that we need an instant impact player at 6 because we’ve gotta get more pieces for Eli is nuts. The fact is that no matter who we pick, most rookies struggle out of the gate. People here think we’re picking an edge rusher at 6 and getting a Hall of Famer.
Yes, Nelson was picked at 6 last year and worked out terrifically for the Colts. But players like him are the exception, not the rule. While the guy we pick may help, it’s unlikely the guy is going to come in his first year and add several wins to this team’s bottom line. We have to think long term with the pick, not what will help Eli most next year - that is precisely how you ruin a franchise.
So take a QB you arent in love with? Or hsa a ton of question marks? Yeah thats the way to approach a successor.
Its posters like you and Jim who I just cant fathom as fans. First off Eli hasnt been "bad" the past two years. You just see what you want to see. He hasnt played at a pro bowl level. I mean 4300 yards and 21/11 may not be a great year, but its anything but bad.
You know what has been bad? Our defense. You know what has been bad? Our OL. Our run game for the past 10 years has been one of the worst in football. Our defesne, outside of 2016 - has been as well.
But again, I can see why the priority HAS to be the QB - no matter how average the options may be to replace him. Why get better on the OL/DL.... amirite?
I have never said pick a QB for the sake of picking a QB. So, no, you’re not right. The Giants seem not only set on Eli in 2019, but not picking a QB because of that decision. That is the precise way not to build a team.
The Giants are bad for a lot of reasons. One is QB. Because that is the most important position, they better start with the process of landing one. At this time, the staff appears to have no urgency in doing so, and I think that is a grave mistake.
How the fuck do you know what the Giants are doing? Shit, I am sure the Giants arent 100% sure because the comboine and pro days havent happened. But you know for a FACT that they have no urgency and you know for a FACT they arent picking a QB because Eli is the QB for 2019.
Please dont speak in absolutes when you dont know shit.
Dep, stop acting like a child. I’m not pretending to know what the Giants will do; I am basing it off of what jtgiants and JonC reported yesterday. Could that change after combine? Sure.
As far as the TD passed, all the guys you cited missed significant portions of either one or both years due to injury. Smith broke his leg. Trubisky fury his shoulder this year and didn’t even start until the middle of last season. Mariota has missed significant time due to injury. Bortles was benched this season. And that’s what you’re going on? Comparing him to Bortles! If so, you’ve already lost.
Bortles played in 29 games the last two years... Eli 31
Smith played 26
Mariota played 28 and threw 24, yes 24 TDs!!!!!
I can go on.... But your statement was 100% false. And you speculate to prove a point. Not good.
I would love to know when is anything ever Eli's fault? So because he can't throw the football away or scramble to avoid being sacked or throwing picks, the blame will always rest on the O-Line. Not saying our offensive line is great or anything but again, when is he ever at fault?
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but we have BY FAR the 5th best offensive line in a 4 team division, even if Washington’s was decimated by injury.
I would love to know when is anything ever Eli's fault? So because he can't throw the football away or scramble to avoid being sacked or throwing picks, the blame will always rest on the O-Line. Not saying our offensive line is great or anything but again, when is he ever at fault?
When you say it is!
All knowing Oz!
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but we have BY FAR the 5th best offensive line in a 4 team division, even if Washington’s was decimated by injury.
I would love to know when is anything ever Eli's fault? So because he can't throw the football away or scramble to avoid being sacked or throwing picks, the blame will always rest on the O-Line. Not saying our offensive line is great or anything but again, when is he ever at fault?
When you say it is!
All knowing Oz!
I'm sorry in your eyes your boy can't do any wrong.
I'm sorry in your eyes your boy can't do any wrong.
I am sorry. I see you blaming Eli for not making players around him better, but I do not see me absolving him of anything.
Just making up shit to see your posts or feel important? Which one?
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I'm sorry in your eyes your boy can't do any wrong.
I am sorry. I see you blaming Eli for not making players around him better, but I do not see me absolving him of anything.
Just making up shit to see your posts or feel important? Which one?
So I'm making up shit that the Eli fan boys use as excuses for his shitty play? Ok. I'm still waiting to hear what exactly he does WELL that leads to team success on the field? Let me guess, he's a 2 time Super Bowl MVP (Should have been the Defense), Champion, blah blah blah.
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I'm sorry in your eyes your boy can't do any wrong.
I am sorry. I see you blaming Eli for not making players around him better, but I do not see me absolving him of anything.
Just making up shit to see your posts or feel important? Which one?
So I'm making up shit that the Eli fan boys use as excuses for his shitty play? Ok. I'm still waiting to hear what exactly he does WELL that leads to team success on the field? Let me guess, he's a 2 time Super Bowl MVP (Should have been the Defense), Champion, blah blah blah.
Why even bother answering your question when you spew the same nonsense every thread and take shots at him when you can?
Your agenda and act is pathetic. But this is what BBI turns too when there is nothing else to talk about.