Glazer had his weekly mailbag article on the Athletic which was the source of his original prediction last week about Beckham getting traded. What I never heard before is that Shurmur needed to convince Mara/Gettleman to sign him long term. Shurmur said he could keep the circus to a minimum. Here is the blurb:
| It was Pat Shurmur who had to convince the Giants to re-sign him, that he would be worth it, that he would be able to keep the circus at a minimum. Then during the season, Beckham had a sit-down interview with ESPN’s Josina Anderson (and Lil Wayne) that became yet another big controversy. |
This honestly makes sense given the history of Gettleman & paying players. Be interesting to see how this plays out. I didn’t link the article because it requires a subscription.
You don't believe Jay Glazer? Or are we still playing the game where every one of these reporters that has offered information contrary to the "Beckham is a beautiful teammate" narrative that is circulated here is a shit-stirring terrible journalist?
He got kicked in the butt, basically, and played the next week.
What happened after that?
I'm not sure that's an accurate representation of the diagnosis.
Where did he say that?
Him benching himself doesn't add up to me. He was still talking about running the table when we had playoff odds near zero. I have a hard time believing he wasn't actually injured.
Beckham does not strike me as a guy who is going to pass up on a chance to compete if he has the option.
He caught just 3 of 9 targets for 35 yards in the Bears game that followed the PHI game where he was leg whipped - he clearly wasn't healthy.
The quad gave out during Wednesday's practice that week, however, and Beckham was unable to play against the Redskins in Landover, Md. He has remained sidelined for the rest of the season.
So, as with all things Beckham, wtf are people talking about?
You don't believe Jay Glazer? Or are we still playing the game where every one of these reporters that has offered information contrary to the "Beckham is a beautiful teammate" narrative that is circulated here is a shit-stirring terrible journalist?
Did Glazer report that the Giants said they believe OBJ benched himself when he was healthy? Could you link that please?
You don't believe Jay Glazer? Or are we still playing the game where every one of these reporters that has offered information contrary to the "Beckham is a beautiful teammate" narrative that is circulated here is a shit-stirring terrible journalist?
I don't believe made up quotes, that's for sure.
Glazer didn't say that.
You don't believe Jay Glazer? Or are we still playing the game where every one of these reporters that has offered information contrary to the "Beckham is a beautiful teammate" narrative that is circulated here is a shit-stirring terrible journalist?
I believe that came from the inside info thread yesterday, not Glazer
Does that type of low level stupidity warrant trading him? I don't think so. Glazer claims Shurmur told the Giants organization he could keep the Beckham circus to 'a minimum', I believe he succeeded.
Frankly I'm more worried about his durability at this point. He's misssed 16 of his last 32 starts. Yeah that's 50% and it's a major concern. In football the most important ability is availability on gameday.
Actively trying to trade him since the extension? Is that true?
I don't know about that.
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but it's clear to me where there's smoke there's fire and they've been actively trying to trade him since shortly after that contract was signed.
Actively trying to trade him since the extension? Is that true?
I don't know about that.
C'mon man, he signed that extension in what? August?
It's only been six months since that extension. How long have these trade rumors been going on?
A guy that's had a reputation for being a fiery competetor suddenly turns into a quitter against bottom-level competition? But plays through pain against the best and most difficult matchup?
Makes sense?
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but it's clear to me where there's smoke there's fire and they've been actively trying to trade him since shortly after that contract was signed.
Actively trying to trade him since the extension? Is that true?
I don't know about that.
C'mon man, he signed that extension in what? August?
It's only been six months since that extension. How long have these trade rumors been going on?
None of them mean the Giants are actively trying to trade him.
Listening to offers is something I'd classify as "passive"
If you can show me that they've been legitimately shopping him and are TRYING to deal him, then show me.
But something stinks here.
A guy that's had a reputation for being a fiery competetor suddenly turns into a quitter against bottom-level competition? But plays through pain against the best and most difficult matchup?
Makes sense?
People connect their own dots and create their own stories, man. Even if they don't make sense or aren't logical. It's just easier for some guys to believe that Beckham is some tremendous POS who cares about no one but himself. Maybe it's comforting to have a scapegoat or something. I don't know.
All I know is I'd want to get the fuck out of here ASAP if I were him. The media and fans will just hang on narratives for months and months - hell... we're still hearing about Josh Norman, the boat.. stuff 3 and 4 years old now.
Can't forget the kicking net, either. That was obviously a HUGE problem.
But something stinks here.
Your words were that they were actively trying to trade him. If you can't prove it, why'd you say it?
But something stinks here.
You sort of started the speculation battle with the whole "Giants are mad he benched himself" thing, so appreciate that part of it being done.
If you read what JonC is posting it may be more about being open to a trade since there is a market rather than the Giants trying to push him out.
Childish.
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While I don't necessarily agree with Glazer that the trade would happen this year, it wouldn't be crippling. We ate $15M dead cap on JPP's deal that yielded a 3rd rounder. OBJ's $16M can be done. But from the initial announcement of the contract extension, I figured that 2020 was the year that OBJ could be traded. It aligns with what JT heard and mentioned yesterday.
The Giants don't have a ton of cap space as it is. You have taken this stance that they could take the hit, and yes, they could, but the point isn't whether they could afford it. It's whether they could afford the hit and also do a good job improving the team. That's $16m the team doesn't have to spend elsewhere and isn't getting production from.
And the JPP trade is the same thing. Yeah, can eat the money. You do so knowing that's money you can't do anything with for that year. You don't get the production, you don't get the ability to find someone who can produce.
I think BJ Hill played rather well on a cheaper rookie contract instead of continuing to pay JPP top dollar. While their stats don't match up from last season, I would say that we had the ability to find someone who can produce and did. If eating OBJ's $16M yields draft collateral that allows us to get a premier pass rusher or the ability to trade up to secure a franchise QB in 2020, I would say that is a good trade-off. If we need more cap room, Abrams can find ways to create additional space. Some might not like it, but a 1 year extension to Eli might kick the can down the road but it would create the cap space needed to still eat OBJ's money while having plenty to improve the roster this year.
I don't know if they're actively trying to trade him. But SOMETHING is happening. You think this is all media hype with no substance? I don't, so there's that.
And I'm not a poster that's actually in the trade Beckham camp.
There is a TON of chatter about an Odell Beckham trade. I think that's strange after signing a 90 million dollar contract 6 months ago.
Teams see that the Giants are in a bad place right now, may not be a year away from competing, could potentially use additional picks to expedite their rebuild process, and are trying to pry an elite player away from us for a song.
They're probably thinking a poorly managed team may not be fully aware of the value of their own assets and that they can potentially take advantage of that - which is where you get stories like the Patriots/obj stuff. I'm sure they looked at us and said "hey we might be able to get this guy without giving up the moon...."
And that's why I think there's still a lot of buzz. I don't think NYG are placing the calls here. But it does seem they've received a few.
It's a matter of semantics. Did the Giants call every team and ask if they wanted him? No. Did the Giants put it out there that they'd be willing to listen? Seems plausible.
Odell Beckham Jr generates buzz like very few can. Just his name generates hundreds of posts on a near-daily basis.
This is another thread that will have 300+ posts on it by the time it dies. It will continue and contain the same exact arguments that everyone already put out there yesterday.
Beckham is a lightning rod and an easy way for journalists to drive traffic and create buzz. Shitty reporters like Josina Anderson make a living off this stuff.
I actually do see NYG potentially trading Beckham - but not this year.
This organization is a mess at every level right now.
Assuming this is true, what Mook said, many times over.
The answer is no.
So this year, maybe next year if the cap ramifications are too much to bear.
The point is, and Terps said it best. It aint gonna end well here NYG and Beckham.
Either he'll be part of the Giants or he'll recoup assets in a trade. This ominous line that has been parroted for like 3 years now about how badly this is going to end means nothing to me.
You don’t make him the highest paid WR in history to trade him..As to the inference that he’s injury prone, I’d say more unlucky than prone. None of his injuries are chronic. He’s missed a bunch of time, but could play a full schedule 5 years in a row.
I remember Simms’ injury history from 1979-83..He finally received some good luck and played healthy the rest of his career, save for the Late ‘90 foot injury incurred against the Bills
The Brock Osweiler trade last year showed the value of 20 mil cap space is a 2nd round pick, so as long as you get more than a 2nd the cap hit of trading Beckham is worth it for the draft pick in itself.
There's still nothing here that says he's a bad teammate, either.
Do any of his teammates seem to not like him? It sure doesn't look that way to me. Barkley is constantly by his side. So is Shepard. If you ask me, I think his teammates actually like him quite a bit.
You can just say that you prefer the Giants to trade him from a football standpoint - that's a fine opinion to have. Making all this extra stuff up or including points irrelevant to the discussion aren't really necessary.
Beckham being a lifelong Giant or any of that isn't important to me.
He may be somewhat of a PITA for management, but his team mates all talk about him glowingly.
Everyone was concerned he would be bothered by the light being shined on Saquon, but who presented SB with his ROTY award.
There is zero to indicate he is a bad team mate and a lot to indicate he is a great one.
but can we please stop with the teammates who give him "glowing" reviews. Most of these teammates are bad football players who have contributed to the losing as well.
Worthless player.
but can we please stop with the teammates who give him "glowing" reviews. Most of these teammates are bad football players who have contributed to the losing as well.
Including Saquon?
I don't know if they're actively trying to trade him. But SOMETHING is happening. You think this is all media hype with no substance? I don't, so there's that.
And I'm not a poster that's actually in the trade Beckham camp.
There is a TON of chatter about an Odell Beckham trade. I think that's strange after signing a 90 million dollar contract 6 months ago.
Anytime you have a topic that gets clicks you get clicks. Tada
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he isnt going anywhere....
but can we please stop with the teammates who give him "glowing" reviews. Most of these teammates are bad football players who have contributed to the losing as well.
Including Saquon?
I guess the word "Most" is hard to understand.
Listen, all of the same people who praise OBJ are the ones that say the same things about Eli. And we all know Eli has 1 year tops left with the team.
Good teammates stick up for one another. It shouldnt be the basis for whether or not he is good for the team. But he isnt going anywhere.
This is what happens when your team is bad. The more popular players are going to take all of the heat. Look at who 90% of the articles are geared too.... Eli and OBJ. They are clickbait articles where authors can skew thigns to make them look bad. You cant say anything bad about Barkley - but if Barkley has a few bad games in a row - he will be next.
You cant talk about the Chad Wheelers, Sterling Shepards, Evan Engrams, James bettchers, or BW Webbs of the world... why? Cause no one outside the NYG fan base gives a shit about them.