Glazer had his weekly mailbag article on the Athletic which was the source of his original prediction last week about Beckham getting traded. What I never heard before is that Shurmur needed to convince Mara/Gettleman to sign him long term. Shurmur said he could keep the circus to a minimum. Here is the blurb:
| It was Pat Shurmur who had to convince the Giants to re-sign him, that he would be worth it, that he would be able to keep the circus at a minimum. Then during the season, Beckham had a sit-down interview with ESPN’s Josina Anderson (and Lil Wayne) that became yet another big controversy. |
This honestly makes sense given the history of Gettleman & paying players. Be interesting to see how this plays out. I didn’t link the article because it requires a subscription.
but can we please stop with the teammates who give him "glowing" reviews. Most of these teammates are bad football players who have contributed to the losing as well.
As soon as we stop with the "he's a bad teammate" narrative, sure.
Because that's entirely unprovable and there's nothing that even appears that way - yet, I have to read through posters claiming it on a weekly (usually daily) basis here.
We wouldn't need to talk about it if people would just stop making up narratives that don't exist. The first thing I read about teammates actually not liking him or him being a divisive presence as far as players go will be the first. I really don't know where people get this stuff from.
Barkley was attached to his hip most of the year and Shepard has been since he got here. Now the players have to be good players for it to count? LOL. Talk about moving goalposts...
It would be interesting to know how many of that had the endorsement of Shurmur or started with him.
I simply don't understand why so many fans would rather football be a soap opera than a sport. But I guess if you prefer the gossipy drama of Real Housewives of East Rutherford, who am I to crap on your parade?
There's dismissing his prediction and there's keeping it in the proper perspective.
So many people (many who call themselves professionals) have spread the news about the prediction without its context.
He was asked to make a "bold prediction."
If you ask a weatherman to predict the amount of snow that's going to fall in an upcoming storm, he looks at the data, sees there's a 75% chance it's going to be in the 2-4" range and he tells you 3".
If you ask him to make a "bold prediction" about the storm, he tells you 10". There is data that suggests it's not impossible, even though there's less than a 5% chance of it actually happening.
It seems to me that this situation was like the latter example but most people are treating it like the former.
And this extra info that Glazer is sharing isn't added on to the evidence - it went into his bold prediction that he still called bold.
Does that sound like a great teammate?
Can't miss TV.
Does that sound like a great teammate?
It actually just sounds like you're readily accepting hearsay as fact because it supports things you want it to support.
But what do I know.
I'll take him at his word because he's shown in the past to know what he's talking about. If he came out and said, "people in the organization are enabled with Beckham's attitude and leadership in the locker room" it would give me major pause about how I feel about Beckham. Your also be here saying we should take jtgiants at his word because he had a history of knowing what he's talking about.
Don't get mad at me. I'm not the reason Beckham's an asshole, and I'm also not the reason you failed to see it.
You were fondling yourself when you typed that, didn't you?
So keep foolishly diminishing his argument but his track record is pretty good with this type of thing.
But it’s also easy for me to root for Beckham and want him here and support him and then move on if the Giants move on.
Either way this who’s right who’s wrong stuff is pointless. You’ve got a 50/50 shot on these things, yay!!!!
Does that sound like a great teammate?
How could he have played if he was never cleared by the team's doctors to play?
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Well apparently the front office thinks he sat out the last four games of the season when he could have played. And that was a month or two after he threw the QB under the bus on ESPN. Oh and there is concern in the organization about what his influence would be on a young QB.
Does that sound like a great teammate?
How could he have played if he was never cleared by the team's doctors to play?
I don't know. But if that's the case then why is the team upset with him for it?
I don't actually care which one it is, but there's a massive difference between the two.
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Well apparently the front office thinks he sat out the last four games of the season when he could have played. And that was a month or two after he threw the QB under the bus on ESPN. Oh and there is concern in the organization about what his influence would be on a young QB.
Does that sound like a great teammate?
How could he have played if he was never cleared by the team's doctors to play?
I don't know. But if that's the case then why is the team upset with him for it?
maybe that information is wrong? or got changed in translation to sound more ominous than the original intent?
...On Beckham. Was told Giants were VERY upset he didn't play at end of year. Also ESPN interview wasn't something that pleased him....
I'll concede it's possible that jtgiants and Jay Glazer are wrong, but that's not their history.
If things don't go well in 2019 and we don't draft a QB, I could see the Giants dealing Beckham in 2020 to move up for a QB of the future they like. Beckham would still be $14M in dead cap but at least it would be a net positive in cap room and DG did not shy away from dealing with JPP's dead cap number.
Someone please let me know if I'm mistaken about the net positive cap implications of trading OBJ in 2020. I know for a fact trading him in 2019 would be a cap nightmare though. Like I said if it's actually cheaper to KEEP him then that's what the Giants are doing. They need to win sooner not later and losing your star player in favor of a new 1st rd pick along with diminishing your cap room at the same tjime is not the formula to win games NOW.
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Of course you will - it jibes with what you want to hear and allows you to continue along with the daily agenda...
I'll take him at his word because he's shown in the past to know what he's talking about. If he came out and said, "people in the organization are enabled with Beckham's attitude and leadership in the locker room" it would give me major pause about how I feel about Beckham. Your also be here saying we should take jtgiants at his word because he had a history of knowing what he's talking about.
Don't get mad at me. I'm not the reason Beckham's an asshole, and I'm also not the reason you failed to see it.
Who said I was mad? You're exhausting - and beyond a broken record on all things Beckham. But I'm not mad at you.
I also actually don't care if Beckham is an "asshole" or not and can't figure out why you do. I'm not here to eat dinner with him, I'm here to watch him score touchdowns and help the Giants put points on the board.
A lot of athletes are assholes. If this is your standard, you're going to have a tough time ever winning football games.
Something about this dude just really is in your head and bothers you in a big, big way. Can't figure out what it is or why - but this guy's name sets off sirens everywhere for you. Every single place his name appears on this message board - there you are.
It's funny because I'd say the same about you and several other posters.
What happened to the sarcastic "trade Beckham!" threads and comments? Don't see those so much around here anymore.
That's why I'm on a lot of the threads. I gravitate towards things I like or enjoy. I think he's a great player and I enjoy watching him play football. I want him here and he's a major part of the football team I root for right now.
It makes sense for me.
You continually gravitate towards a subject that clearly bugs you an annoys you. Why?
I also hadn't made any of those jokes in quite a while - but I know how much they get to you, so maybe I'll start doing it a little bit again. Just to mix things up and keep us at odds.
OBJ's Contract. - ( New Window )
So keep foolishly diminishing his argument but his track record is pretty good with this type of thing.
That's all fine but there's the love affair with Lamar Jackson too, so, what's that say?
Pat Leonard has made it his life mission to put Beckham on the back page for crime in the city and even HE hasn't been able to dig up enough to run with the idea that the team is furious at Beckham for allegedly quitting. The GM himself was recently quoted when responding to trade rumors that they "didn't sign him to trade him".
This was AFTER he missed those games. Did the team need a few weeks after the super bowl to decide that they were mad?
The conspiracy theory is fun, but the likely truth is he was hurt, played through it, made it worse, and needed to sit. Why is the most logical explanation the least considered?
Some people have an axe to grind on Beckham, and they haven't been able to find a way to question his effort yet. Smells like looking for a reason to.
Burress may have cost us in '08 - but we never win without him in '07. No one can convince me otherwise.
Because his presence and more importantly, the Giants' tolerance and willingness to pay him, are a big reason this team has been a loser since he got here. He's a losing player, and he's helping make this a losing team.
Yeah he's a talent (though not yet the same as before the injury), but that talent isn't enough to override the bullshit he brings with him...and I'd bet a paycheck that we've only heard a portion of what actually goes on.
My biggest worry from the beginning was that they'd be stupid enough to pay him. They confirmed that fear and now we're probably looking at significant dead money at some point in the next year or two after we trade him for 75 cents on the dollar.
Beckham is a loser and an asshole, yeah...but he's just a symptom of a bigger issue with this team. I've said that from the beginning. The blame falls on Coughlin, Reese, McAdoo, Gettleman, Shurmur (who if jtgiants is to be believed is the reason we paid him that idiotic contract), and most of all, Mara. He's so sensitive to history (as we're seeing with him clinging to Eli), but was willing to forget past consequences of placating an idiot like Beckham.
He won't end up shooting himself in the leg, but the consequences of that contract are going to ripple out.
You still haven't actually told me why him being an asshole would matter, anyway. You strike me as a guy who would say you don't give a shit about a player's persona because you're not here to follow the tabloid pages and only care about football - but with Beckham, you mock "fanboys" who follow him on IG while you actually follow his every move just as closely as those people do. Is that any better or different?
Ray Lewis probably killed someone and has two Super Bowl rings.
I don't agree with your tendency to associate team success with an individual player, then labeling that single player a loser or a winner. This isn't basketball. Beckham literally could not have done any more than he did for this team in his first 2-3 seasons.
I guess where I also land on this is that there is definitely a way to fix this, I don't think it's completely broken but it will take a plan and action. This isn't just going to fix itself.
It implies that the GM and owner were prepared to move on from OBJ, but the coach convinced them otherwise.
If I'm Shurmer, I'm making sure that I keep in close contact with all of my contacts around the league to set up my next job.
Rich - I think this is a good point and may be a possibility. I have no idea what's happening behind the scenes with this team, but something is.
OK, so what are the net savings we are talking about here. It still seems like if we trade him in 2019 we aren't saving very much. Feels to me like it would be worth it to keep him the team if we aren't saving much money. This team needs a QB heir apparent to Eli and I'm not sure 2019 is the year to move up and get that guy. I would still say keep OBJ and deal him in 2020 if that's what is required to move up and get Tua or Herbert. Right now we need to get one of these elite edge rushers that will inevitably fall to #6.
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You are wrong on your numbers. The $35M dead cap hit is if he is released. OBJ will never be released. What you need to look at are trades. 2019 Pre-6/1 Trade: $16M dead cap hit. 2019 Post-6/1 Trade: 2019 dead cap hit - $4M; 2020 dead cap hit - $12M. 2020 Pre-6/1 Trade: $12M dead cap hit; 2020 Post-6/1 Trade: 2020 dead cap hit - $4M; 2021 dead cap hit - $8M. OBJ's Contract. - ( New Window )
OK, so what are the net savings we are talking about here. It still seems like if we trade him in 2019 we aren't saving very much. Feels to me like it would be worth it to keep him the team if we aren't saving much money. This team needs a QB heir apparent to Eli and I'm not sure 2019 is the year to move up and get that guy. I would still say keep OBJ and deal him in 2020 if that's what is required to move up and get Tua or Herbert. Right now we need to get one of these elite edge rushers that will inevitably fall to #6.
If we disregard the post-6/1 trade numbers and only focus on the pre-6/1 trade numbers (after all we are focused on draft picks in the given year to offset any trade/savings).
2019 - $16M dead cap hit; $5M cap savings
2020 - $12M dead cap hit; $7.25M cap savings
My preference in any trade scenario is to get the draft capital to acquire a QB in 2020. Ideally, it would be great if OBJ remains with the team and we get our QB. But to eat $12M in 2020 and get our QB of the future isn't a bad deal.
It's taking on water every day.
You're like a one-trick pony.
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Of course you will - it jibes with what you want to hear and allows you to continue along with the daily agenda...
I'll take him at his word because he's shown in the past to know what he's talking about. If he came out and said, "people in the organization are enabled with Beckham's attitude and leadership in the locker room" it would give me major pause about how I feel about Beckham. Your also be here saying we should take jtgiants at his word because he had a history of knowing what he's talking about.
Don't get mad at me. I'm not the reason Beckham's an asshole, and I'm also not the reason you failed to see it.
Beckham's not an asshole. And quite frankly, if I thought you were capable of identifying an asshole, I'd expect your posting style to change.
Neither.
Woman’s thumbs. That shit gets crazy.
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brings out more overwrought emotional meltdowns from the Giants' fan base.
Neither.
Woman’s thumbs. That shit gets crazy.
Maybe Olive Garden?
You can call that contract a lot of things. “Team favorable” isn’t one of them. He was coming off a serious injury, creating a circus around the contract and still had a year left on his deal and let’s be honest, character concerns. And he stil got made the highest paid WR. That deal was fair being generous to OBJ and I am a fan of his.