Just thought I'd start a new thread for the deadline which is 4 days away: Monday 2/25 at 3pm.
First off, the Rangers are heavily shopping Zuccarello, Hayes and McQuaid, but teams are asking about Kreider.
The Leafs have shown the most interest so far, but the Bruins and Predators have also shown interest.
Gorton will allegedly not move Kreider unless it's an offer "he can't refuse". Kreider finally showing the true 200 foot game I thought he'd show is not someone I'd trade at this point.
The most common names expected to be moved are:
Mark Stone (OTT)
Matt Duchene (OTT)
Artemi Panarin (CBJ)
Jesse Puljujarvi (EDM)
Ilya Kovalchuk (LAK)
and more.
I'll keep this thread updated with news and rumors as it comes out and I welcome others too as well.
Rangers have called up Lias Andersson. I'd imagine Hayes and Zucc aren't playing tonight.
Rangers have called up Lias Andersson. I'd imagine Hayes and Zucc aren't playing tonight.
They'll still try super hard, a goalie will make 40+ saves again, and will end up with 1-2 points. Rinse. Repeat.
This callup would indicate to me that Quinn has been told otherwise since that comment this morning.
IMO he's going to be a guy that other teams fans hate and other teams players hate playing against.
Marchand is now (unfortunately) one of the games best players (and biggest assholes), but he didn't break 40 points until he was 22 and 50 points until he was 23.
Andersson is 20 years old. Marchand wasn't even in the NHL at this age. Be patient.
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Quinn said Hayes and Zuccarello are playing tonight. Until or unless he's told otherwise.
This callup would indicate to me that Quinn has been told otherwise since that comment this morning.
Possibly or possibly just in case.
thats from a fake twitter account; didnt happen.
As for calling up Andersson it's Howden to IR
"Not Coming Back?
According to Larry Brooks of The New York Post, extension talks between the New York Rangers and pending free agents Mats Zuccarello and Kevin Hayes stalled due to length, not salary, and neither player should be expected to sign back with the Rangers in free agency after being dealt at the deadline.
Brooks reports Zuccarello, 31, is seeking a five-year extension, while Hayes, 27, is looking for a five or six-year term on his next deal. He adds that the trade market for the two forwards is also being held up big names Panarin, Stone and Duchene.
TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun reported Thursday, however, that some teams are concerned over how long the Stone situation is taking to play out in Ottawa and are now turning their attention to secondary targets such as Zuccarello and Hayes.
LeBrun notes that teams don't want to risk waiting until Monday to bid on a player and wind up with nothing.
But we're hoping for some clarity on Stone either way in the next 24 hours which gives teams a chance if he doesn't re-sign... important day here it would appear.
Pierre LeBrun (@PierreVLeBrun) February 21, 2019
TSN Senior Hockey Reporter Frank Seravalli wrote Wednesday that both players could potentially both draw first-round picks on the trade market, noting Zuccarello has boosted his value with seven goals and 22 points in his last 14 games.
Hayes has 14 goals and 42 points in 50 games this season and is the second-highest ranked centre on the TSN Trade Bait board, behind Duchene.
Zuccarello, who sits one spot back of Hayes at No. 7 on the Trade Bait Board, has 11 goals and 37 points in 45 points this season, his ninth with the Rangers."
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Rangers have called up Lias Andersson. I'd imagine Hayes and Zucc aren't playing tonight.
I was wondering who they were going to acquire after dropping DSP.
The Rangers advanced metrics are horrific - but they continue to accrue points anyway. I cant get on management for that. I do get on them for not moving assets sooner - like last month... I dont know why GMs always think they'll get more at the deadline, rarely happens.
Lundqvist has a NMC and has repeatedly said he's going nowhere. I hope he changes his mind, but I doubt he will. Sounds like he wants to raise his family here. Thought NYI, NJ or PHL could have been options since so close to 'home' for him but NYI and PHL appear to have found their answers already and NJ is properly tanking for another high end pick to build around Hall and Hischier.
Because it takes two.
The other teams like to wait for various reasons. "banking" cap space, Trying to see what they've got in their system and/or seeing if some answers will come from within, waiting on the health of certain players and maybe just wanting to give the group they have more time together.
I was very impressed with him at the last game I attended.
I'm not a big fan of his soft-ish style but he can score, might put him just above Zucarello because he has another year on his contract after this season, so he's not a rental (but it's at over $5M, so positive and negative).
He owns the Habs (24 pts in 20 games), his hat trick vs them last week really showed three very different ways he has to score, including a between the legs top shelf shot over Carey Price on a breakaway.
highlight reel goal, should google it for anyone who hasn't seen it. Shit you maybe, (maybe even is a stretch) see in a shootout or practice he actually pulled off in a game.
They need to add someone who can boost the PP and hopefully take a little pressure off Barzal being the only true difference maker.
They need to add someone who can boost the PP and hopefully take a little pressure off Barzal being the only true difference maker.
I agree. Would love to see Duchene or Johansson be picked up by the Islanders. Stone with the 2 way he plays would make a lot of sense but I think the price will be too steep.
Islanders are a player away from contender IMO, still put them behind TBL, TOR, BOS, but the west is a mess this year.
Maybe move Ho-Sang, he seems to have plateaued a little and at 23 years old isn't young for a hockey prospect and I think is an RFA after the season (not positive).
I'd say Ho-Sang, a 1st and a 3rd for Duchene (if they want a C) or Stone (if they want a W) seems about right.
Islanders are a player away from contender IMO, still put them behind TBL, TOR, BOS, but the west is a mess this year.
Maybe move Ho-Sang, he seems to have plateaued a little and at 23 years old isn't young for a hockey prospect and I think is an RFA after the season (not positive).
I'd say Ho-Sang, a 1st and a 3rd for Duchene (if they want a C) or Stone (if they want a W) seems about right.
I am concerned about the Isles giving up too much for a rental because I don't think they are getting past Tampa or Boston in the playoffs, but I would be on board with the moves you suggested because I think Ho-Sang is never going to make it in the Islanders organization. He is talented and another club may get much more out of him.
I'd jump on that in a heartbeat. Prefer Stone but would take either at those terms.
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I'd say Ho-Sang, a 1st and a 3rd for Duchene (if they want a C) or Stone (if they want a W) seems about right.
I'd jump on that in a heartbeat. Prefer Stone but would take either at those terms.
From what I read that's the going (asking) rate for the elite "rentals".
a premium pick, a prospect, and a veteran player/2nd pick
Not to mention the Mike Hoffman debacle where they traded him in the midst of the Karlsson wife/Hoffman girlfriend feud for a 6th round pick only to watch Hoffman then get flipped for a 4th, 5th and 2nd. that is slightly exaggeration b/c more players were involved than just that, but that was basically what happened.
Or at least Friday.
They need to add someone who can boost the PP and hopefully take a little pressure off Barzal being the only true difference maker.
Marcus Johansson would be a good pickup. He won't cost a ton but he would add some much needed secondary scoring. He is a very solid two way player which Lou loves. I would love to get Bode Wilde in return but there is no way that would happen.
Stone (also a perfect fit but he seems likeliest to resign with Ottawa)
Hayes (great fit but would NYR deal him to rival?)
Staal (would he waive for another go round as a rental in the metro?)
Johansson (probably most likely and cheapest to acquire)
Nyquist (would be disappointed to give up a first for him)
Duchene (don't get me wrong, if they get him i'll be happy, but a lot of red flags with him IMO - sky high S%, been on a lot of losing teams, 2 years older than the other 2 top rentals, had the concussion issues - even forgetting the trade cost, resigning him for 7 or 8 years is risky)
No issues giving up the first round pick this year in the right deal, I'd just hope it's for someone who they'd intend to sign beyond this season.
The wild card is Kovalchuk as a plan C. If LA eats 50% of his contract, even with his skills diminished he could have as good a chance of boosting the PP as most of the names on the list above for a fraction of the cost. Does he fit well enough to take on for 2 more years though?
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they actually have pretty decent depth with Ladd/Hickey coming back and JHS/MDC proving there's not much left for them in the AHL.
They need to add someone who can boost the PP and hopefully take a little pressure off Barzal being the only true difference maker.
Marcus Johansson would be a good pickup. He won't cost a ton but he would add some much needed secondary scoring. He is a very solid two way player which Lou loves. I would love to get Bode Wilde in return but there is no way that would happen.
Yea if I had to guess who they end up with he'd be most likely. His best year was with Trotz and he was really good on the PP. I highly doubt they move Wilde or Dobson for any rental. I'd imagine Johansson will get dealt for a 2nd and B/C level prospect - both of which Lou has to offer.
all three have a good chance to be moved.
good luck with that.
good luck with that.
Go for it, Lou
I know the Lighting are good. Caps? Pens?
In the West, Golden Knights?
I know the Lighting are good. Caps? Pens?
In the West, Golden Knights?
Lightning and everyone else right now.
Caps and Pens having down years, but if they get in the playoffs they're both dangerous.
Boston and Toronto 2nd and 3rd best teams in the East IMO.
West is a mess right now. No clear favorite to me.
Nashville and Winnipeg have the most well balanced teams, but Calgary leads the standings. San Jose is a good veteran team, west is a toss up.
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my ignorance, but who are the favorites to hoist the Cup?
I know the Lighting are good. Caps? Pens?
In the West, Golden Knights?
Lightning and everyone else right now.
Caps and Pens having down years, but if they get in the playoffs they're both dangerous.
Boston and Toronto 2nd and 3rd best teams in the East IMO.
West is a mess right now. No clear favorite to me.
Nashville and Winnipeg have the most well balanced teams, but Calgary leads the standings. San Jose is a good veteran team, west is a toss up.
Thanks PJ. I don't follow regular season hockey, but the playoffs are always compelling, especially Game 7s. Hockey seems to come down to who has the hot goalie come postseason.
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my ignorance, but who are the favorites to hoist the Cup?
I know the Lighting are good. Caps? Pens?
In the West, Golden Knights?
Lightning and everyone else right now.
Caps and Pens having down years, but if they get in the playoffs they're both dangerous.
Boston and Toronto 2nd and 3rd best teams in the East IMO.
West is a mess right now. No clear favorite to me.
Nashville and Winnipeg have the most well balanced teams, but Calgary leads the standings. San Jose is a good veteran team, west is a toss up.
Thanks PJ. I don't follow regular season hockey, but the playoffs are always compelling, especially Game 7s. Hockey seems to come down to who has the hot goalie come postseason.
Yep, love it or hate it a hot goalie in hockey is tough to beat. and alternatively a bad goalie is tough to overcome.
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I cant get on management for that. I do get on them for not moving assets sooner - like last month... I dont know why GMs always think they'll get more at the deadline, rarely happens.
Because it takes two.
The other teams like to wait for various reasons. "banking" cap space, Trying to see what they've got in their system and/or seeing if some answers will come from within, waiting on the health of certain players and maybe just wanting to give the group they have more time together.
The banking cap space makes sense. The other parts not really. Teams know what they have in their systems by Christmas. They know if they can compete for the playoffs by New Years. 'The group' has been together for four months but usually the core many years to assess. Health, unless a top 3 line player is lost for the season in February (which is rare)...
Alternatively how many times have we seen rental players taken in late February who despite skill - never practice with their new teammates (since teams play every other day this time of year) and end up awful in the postseason.
Yandle the most notable example for our Rangers.
Tatar last year for Vegas
Vermette with Chicago
And those were teams that still went far in the playoffs that year despite deadline duds.
If I'm a playoff team I'm trading for top 6 players in January ... get them as much time as humanly possible to acclimate with their lines for the postseason run
good luck with that.
Yea I highly doubt anyone brings back anything more than Karlsson did. I could see a 2nd first round pick conditional on a player resigning, but no way anyone gives up 2 unconditional firsts for a rental.
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on insider trading on TSN they said the Senators are looking for 2 1sts and 2 prospects for Stone.
good luck with that.
Yea I highly doubt anyone brings back anything more than Karlsson did. I could see a 2nd first round pick conditional on a player resigning, but no way anyone gives up 2 unconditional firsts for a rental.
Seriously! One only gives that ransom up for 39 year olds who have told their GMs they'll only play for one team... and you throw in Callahan to sweeten that pot of course!
I liked him, but that was probably smart to throw him in. He's been terrible the past couple years.
I liked him, but that was probably smart to throw him in. He's been terrible the past couple years.
He had value as a rental that year. Because he's not aged well has nothing to do with it.
Basically the Rangers traded three first round picks for 39 year old MSL... all because Sather was retiring soon and didn't care about maximizing Henrik's window, he wanted one title before he left.
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is a healthy scratch very often at this point.
I liked him, but that was probably smart to throw him in. He's been terrible the past couple years.
He had value as a rental that year. Because he's not aged well has nothing to do with it.
Basically the Rangers traded three first round picks for 39 year old MSL... all because Sather was retiring soon and didn't care about maximizing Henrik's window, he wanted one title before he left.
Oh, agree, terrible trade and Callahan had one good year in TB, but overall he's been a disaster.
The Rangers would receive Tampa Bays 2015 2nd round pick only if Callahan re-signed there, which he did, meaning the Lightning would get back the Rangers 2015 7th round pick. The conditional 2014 2nd round pick would turn into a 1st round pick if the Rangers made the Conference Finals in 2014, which they did. So, the Lightning ultimately got Callahan, two 1st round picks and a 7th round pick in return.
Had the Rangers not made the conference finals the second round picks would have cancelled out and it basically would have been a late 1st, a 7th rd pick, and Callahan (who almost instantly got way overpaid) for St Louis - who was no doubt 39 but also a PPG player who led them in goals that year in the playoffs on the way to the cup.
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"My understanding is theyre going pretty hard at Matt Duchene as well." #Isles #Sens
Same with Yandle. I thought he was a lot better than he got credit for in NY. He did take some time to adapt but his 2015-16 seasons was really good. The fault there lies with AV for playing him down in the lineup behind Staal, Boyle, Girardi, etc. Never understood why they paid the price for him if he was just going to be a 3rd pair defenseman. It was like the front office and coach weren't in communication. But with Duclair turning out to be a bit of a bust (anyone see Torts' comments the other day?), again not that damaging a price.
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Chris Nichols
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"My understanding is theyre going pretty hard at Matt Duchene as well." #Isles #Sens
I am very buyer beware on Duchene. Hope for the best I suppose - but I'd actually be pretty surprised if that's Lou's top target given that they need a wing for Barzal more than a center to knock Nelson to the 3rd line. I guess if Stone and Panarin aren't available he's just the top player on the market, but if the price is at all similar the other 2 are much better fits. I'd probably prefer Hayes over Duchene if the trade cost was slightly lower.
In the end I think CBJ holds onto Panarin and rolls the dice. The franchise desperately needs to finally win a playoff series. Don't think they get the price they need to move him, considering Panarin is a pure rental going to UFA no matter what
Honestly, a perfect offseason would be letting Nelson, Lee and Eberle walk, extending Duchene and bringing in Panarin. More realistically, I suspect they'll let Eberle walk, try and extend Duchene and Lee, and see what the bidding looks like with Nelson.
A recurring theme with the Rangers. See: Staal, E.
Honestly even flipping Panarin and using those exact same assets to get Duchene would be smarter - since there's at least a non-zero chance Duchene could resign there.
Honestly even flipping Panarin and using those exact same assets to get Duchene would be smarter - since there's at least a non-zero chance Duchene could resign there.
The big difference is that the Islanders were well out of the playoffs last year at the deadline while Columbus is essentially in a playoff spot (two games in hand one 1 pt "behind" CAR) right now.
It's a lot easier to deal off a rental player when the team is completely out of it. It's another thing to do it when the team is in playoff position.
You can make an argument for them to deal Panarin, hell, I agree that it's the right move given that they are struggling too, but IMO, it's a very different situation than the Islanders last year.
NHL playoffs are often pretty unpredictable and I sure as hell wouldn't want to face a Columbus team with Panarin, Duchene and Bobo all playing for UFA dollars in the first round.
I think he can play top 6 minutes easy, even top line, and PP as well.
I think he can play top 6 minutes easy, even top line, and PP as well.
Some prolific message board poster claimed that the Islanders offer for Duchene was 2019 1st, Beuvillier and Dal Colle. Not sure I'd offer more than that, but I'd be OK with that price.
Gotta say though. That first game with him, Brassard and Moore was one of the funnest games I can remember.
Gorton should hit a home run in any trade for Zucc, a grand slam in any trade for Hayes and a...whatever's greater than a grand slam if it comes to Krieder.
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There is traction to this. Columbus and Ottawa working on a Duchene deal
So that would mean that the Blue Jackets would be out on Hayes. Still, there's no shortage of teams interested in Hayes.
Fair enough. I guess Id written off last years Isles season as a complete disaster!
Gorton should hit a home run in any trade for Zucc, a grand slam in any trade for Hayes and a...whatever's greater than a grand slam if it comes to Krieder.
It makes sense that CBJ would go all in and try to get a rental rather than sell of Panarin. They are on the cusp of losing Panarin and Bobrovsky, so the fan base needs something. And the bar in Columbus is really just to win a first round series. That will make next year much easier to swallow, especially if they can re-sign Duchene.
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Word in Cleveland is that #CBJ prospect Vitaly Abramov was pulled off the ice during practice this morning and could be headed to Ottawa. #Sens @monstershockey
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Who a)got a concussion and only played a few games for them b)then bolted for the Devils.
Gotta say though. That first game with him, Brassard and Moore was one of the funnest games I can remember.
You're thinking of Derek Dorsett, not Clowe.
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Who a)got a concussion and only played a few games for them b)then bolted for the Devils.
Gotta say though. That first game with him, Brassard and Moore was one of the funnest games I can remember.
You're thinking of Derek Dorsett, not Clowe.
Dorsett was injured when we traded for him
Yes, my mistake. We downgraded letting him go for Glass
Yes, but Clowe, Brassard and Moore all debuted for the Rangers on the same night
If they roll the dice on Panarin, BOB, and Duchene all hitting FA, losing more than 1 premium pick, and possibly not even making the playoffs, Garth Snow should send them a resume asap.
Tanner Glass and Cody McLeod should take notes
the epitome of a 3rd liner, could score, put up 50+ points per year, could drop the gloves, hit like a freight train, defensively responsible.
concussions end probably more hockey careers than football careers.
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I believe its a first rounder, Abramov and Davidsson for Duchene and Bergman plus a conditional first to OTT if Duchene signs in CBJ.
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I believe its a first rounder, Abramov and Davidsson for Duchene and Bergman plus a conditional first to OTT if Duchene signs in CBJ.
Much less asking price from what I had heard.
Abramov and Davidsson are not top prospects.
Good deal for CBJ IMO and I guess the 1st helps soften the blow for OTT since they weren't going to re-sign Duchene, but I thought they'd get more.
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Lots of action on veteran NYR forward Mats Zuccarello. High picks or a high pick and a prospect expected to be the return.
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Now that Duchene is off the market teams will dial in on Kevin Hayes. Sources says a few teams have inquired about trading for both Hayes and Zuccarello. #aggressive
1:33 PM - 22 Feb 2019
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As I alluded to earlier, Duchene getting moved with 3 full days until the deadline was great news for NY. Prevents the gridlock that held up McDonagh and Evander Kane deals last year and limited trade value.
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Now that Duchene is off the market teams will dial in on Kevin Hayes. Sources says a few teams have inquired about trading for both Hayes and Zuccarello. #aggressive
1:33 PM - 22 Feb 2019
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As I alluded to earlier, Duchene getting moved with 3 full days until the deadline was great news for NY. Prevents the gridlock that held up McDonagh and Evander Kane deals last year and limited trade value.
Hayes and Zucc for Cale Makar would be amazing
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Darren Dreger
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Now that Duchene is off the market teams will dial in on Kevin Hayes. Sources says a few teams have inquired about trading for both Hayes and Zuccarello. #aggressive
1:33 PM - 22 Feb 2019
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As I alluded to earlier, Duchene getting moved with 3 full days until the deadline was great news for NY. Prevents the gridlock that held up McDonagh and Evander Kane deals last year and limited trade value.
Hayes and Zucc for Cale Makar would be amazing
Eh, who am I kidding? We packaged McDonagh and Miller and didn't get back much. A late first, a conditional first and two players with limited upside. Whoopee...
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Senators better hope Duchene signs with Columbus to get an extra 1st round pick, because the two prospects they received won't move the needle. I wonder if this was the best offer they got.
Simon Boisvert
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Senators better hope Duchene signs with Columbus to get an extra 1st round pick, because the two prospects they received won't move the needle. I wonder if this was the best offer they got.
Dreger seemed to be high on Abramov
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Simon Boisvert
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Senators better hope Duchene signs with Columbus to get an extra 1st round pick, because the two prospects they received won't move the needle. I wonder if this was the best offer they got.
Dreger seemed to be high on Abramov
Quite a few scouts are too, so they know more than me.
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Capitals acquire defenseman Nick Jensen and a 2019 fifth-round pick (originally from Buffalo) from the Red Wings for defenseman Madison Bowey and a 2020 second-round pick. #ALLCAPS
2:58 PM - 22 Feb 2019
I like that model of 1 first for the rental, another if he signs long term. I'd have no issues with Isles doing something similar for Stone (or Panarin if CBJ is still listening).
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At least as of this morning, Tolvanen is not available in exchange for a rental. If Rangers want him, it will cost Kreider. Predators apparently not in on Hayes, have interest in Zuccarello, as do Flames, Penguins, others.
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DONE DEAL! #Canucks acquire F Mark Stone, F Alex Formenton, G Graig Anderson and a 2020 4th round pick from #Sens in exchange for G Tkacher Demko, D Olli Juolevi and a 2019 1st & 2nd round picks. Canucks going all in. I'm told they are not done yet. #NHL
9:48 AM - 23 Feb 2019
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The Dallas Stars have acquired defenseman Ben Lovejoy from the New Jersey Devils in exchange for defenseman Connor Carrick and a third-round selection in the 2019 NHL Draft.
9:45 AM - 23 Feb 2019
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There is disappointment in talking with teams this morning in terms of rentals available on D. Mild interest in @NYRangers Adam McQuaid price is a 3rd Teams turning to non rentals like @LAKings Alec Martinez, 2 yrs left. Prices are not cheap. Keep an eye on #Brodin @NHLNetwork
10:06 AM - 23 Feb 2019
The Isles had like 5 guys on Pronman's list and 3 first rd pick forwards at BPT who are all dealable with (MDC/JHS/Bellows) so I'm personally hoping they are able to get Stone or Panarin for a similar style offer to the one that landed Duchene (2019 first + conditional 2020 first based on resigning).
The Isles had like 5 guys on Pronman's list and 3 first rd pick forwards at BPT who are all dealable with (MDC/JHS/Bellows) so I'm personally hoping they are able to get Stone or Panarin for a similar style offer to the one that landed Duchene (2019 first + conditional 2020 first based on resigning).
I think it was light based on the reported ask, and the lack of quality C's available.
but at the end of the day, Duchene will not be in OTT next year, so it's better than nothing.
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If he's just a rental, it's 2 c level prospects and a first round pick. Forget elite prospects, neither of the guys they dealt was seemingly on any of the top 50-100 lists - but I'm far from an expert on them.
The Isles had like 5 guys on Pronman's list and 3 first rd pick forwards at BPT who are all dealable with (MDC/JHS/Bellows) so I'm personally hoping they are able to get Stone or Panarin for a similar style offer to the one that landed Duchene (2019 first + conditional 2020 first based on resigning).
I think it was light based on the reported ask, and the lack of quality C's available.
but at the end of the day, Duchene will not be in OTT next year, so it's better than nothing.
Yea I don't think Ottawa did badly - especially if they chose the destination wise enough to get the 2nd first round pick. That's the key. It doesn't matter so much to them which team retains him going forward, but getting that extra first would be huge.
Overall it was a fairly normal rental price, probably slightly less than the Karlsson deal which is to be expected midseason - I guess I'm just a little surprised the top teams in the west didn't beat the offer. If the Isles don't do end up doing something significant I'll be surprised they didn't beat that offer.
Trading valuable prospect assets or picks for any of them would be inappropriate.
Johansson would be different but I wouldn't give up much for him either.
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12:07 PM - 23 Feb 2019
Trading valuable prospect assets or picks for any of them would be inappropriate.
Johansson would be different but I wouldn't give up much for him either.
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12:07 PM - 23 Feb 2019
Who are the top prospects on the Habs? Obviously Kotkaniemi is #1 and he's not going anywhere. Same with Domi.
Mete? Meh. We have our version of him in DeAngelo.
Is Ryan Poehling your #1 prospect who's not in the NHL?
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justice to me, if the Habs trade for Hayes as much as I've criticized him over the years. I don't want Hayes, Zucc or McQuaid on the Canadiens. They're not a contender or a Hayes, Zucc, or McQuaid away from being one.
Trading valuable prospect assets or picks for any of them would be inappropriate.
Johansson would be different but I wouldn't give up much for him either.
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Who are the top prospects on the Habs? Obviously Kotkaniemi is #1 and he's not going anywhere. Same with Domi.
Mete? Meh. We have our version of him in DeAngelo.
Is Ryan Poehling your #1 prospect who's not in the NHL?
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I love Alex Romanov
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top 5 after KotKaniemi IMO
Pierre LeBrun (@PierreVLeBrun) February 23, 2019
I'm confident that the Devils will get a 1st round pick in return. I was hoping the Devils would get another 1st in order to draft G Spencer Knight.
And this market may be tight to being with since EK and ROR cost 2 playoff contenders first round pick before the season started and Montreal has already said they aren't dealing their pick despite being in contention.
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CLB/OTT deal is Dzingel and Calgary7th (OTT owns) in 2019 for 2 2nds and Anthony Duclair
I've gotta think they are loading up to hedge against dealing off Panarin to recoup some of these assets and retool on the fly. Or they are really rolling the dice.
confirmed now for 2 conditional picks.
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CLB/OTT deal is Dzingel and Calgary7th (OTT owns) in 2019 for 2 2nds and Anthony Duclair
I've gotta think they are loading up to hedge against dealing off Panarin to recoup some of these assets and retool on the fly. Or they are really rolling the dice.
If the Devils don't get a 1st then I would still be happy with two 2nd's. I consider Johansson a better player than Dzingel so hopefully the return will be at least the same.
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confirmed now for 2 conditional picks.
2nd and 3rd rounder. Jeff Gorton is absolutely awful at maximizing value.
Given that return and Dzingel, I'd guess Hayes/Stone/Panarin are the only guys who would bring back firsts of the remaining names on the market.
Bad job there.
So, the conditions can make the haul a lot better... but neither of those things are certainties and if neither of those things happen, this is a really shitty coup
McDonagh + Miller trade? Atrocious.
This trade? Horrible. Truly awful.
McKenzie tweet - ( New Window )
It's official
I don't think fans will be happy, but Zucc is a 31 year old rental.
This is what they were projecting all along, no?
Gorton: ...Okay, but that third becomes a first if you re-sign him.
Nill off the phone: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Nill on the phone: What? Oh yeah, sure sure. Third becomes a first IF we re-sign him.
It's akin to the Stars trading an unconditional first to re-signing Zucc.
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DAL gets Zuccarello
NYR gets 2nd + 3rd (w/ conditions)
Zucc's been really good this yr, especially lately, and mid-round picks are only long shots anyway. I don't know /why/ DAL thinks they're a contender but they paid a good price for a good rental.
The cap hit is probably why the 3rd was thrown in or maybe why it was a 3rd instead of a later pick. The Rangers don't care about 2018-2019 cap at this point, right?
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Awesome. Great job
The cap hit is probably why the 3rd was thrown in or maybe why it was a 3rd instead of a later pick. The Rangers don't care about 2018-2019 cap at this point, right?
No. Plenty of cap space to work with and it's not we're committing longterm to anyone.
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Awesome. Great job
The cap hit is probably why the 3rd was thrown in or maybe why it was a 3rd instead of a later pick. The Rangers don't care about 2018-2019 cap at this point, right?
No. Plenty of cap space to work with and it's not we're committing longterm to anyone.
Right. So keeping as much cap (if it gets you more/better picks) was smart.
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Awesome. Great job
The cap hit is probably why the 3rd was thrown in or maybe why it was a 3rd instead of a later pick. The Rangers don't care about 2018-2019 cap at this point, right?
No. Plenty of cap space to work with and it's not we're committing longterm to anyone.
Right. So keeping as much cap (if it gets you more/better picks) was smart.
But it shouldn't. We essentially traded Zucc for a second rounder. Did you see what Ryan fucking Dzingel got?
Said a 1st and Logan Stanley is about what he'd expect.
Logan Stanley is a BIG LHD. like Chara big.
Said a 1st and Logan Stanley is about what he'd expect.
Logan Stanley is a BIG LHD. like Chara big.
Does he move like molasses?
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Awesome. Great job
The cap hit is probably why the 3rd was thrown in or maybe why it was a 3rd instead of a later pick. The Rangers don't care about 2018-2019 cap at this point, right?
No. Plenty of cap space to work with and it's not we're committing longterm to anyone.
Right. So keeping as much cap (if it gets you more/better picks) was smart.
But it shouldn't. We essentially traded Zucc for a second rounder. Did you see what Ryan fucking Dzingel got?
Pretty similar trades for similar players.
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Elliott Friedman suggested Winnipeg an option for Hayes.
Said a 1st and Logan Stanley is about what he'd expect.
Logan Stanley is a BIG LHD. like Chara big.
Does he move like molasses?
Not yet. he's 20 years old, but at 6'7 240 pounds he moves well. As he gets older though I'm sure he'll get slower.
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Elliott Friedman suggested Winnipeg an option for Hayes.
Said a 1st and Logan Stanley is about what he'd expect.
Logan Stanley is a BIG LHD. like Chara big.
Does he move like molasses?
Not yet. he's 20 years old, but at 6'7 240 pounds he moves well. As he gets older though I'm sure he'll get slower.
Just based on doing a bit of reading on him, he sounds like the lefty version of McIlrath.
Said a 1st and Logan Stanley is about what he'd expect.
Logan Stanley is a BIG LHD. like Chara big.
Is Boston still in the mix for Hayes?
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Elliott Friedman suggested Winnipeg an option for Hayes.
Said a 1st and Logan Stanley is about what he'd expect.
Logan Stanley is a BIG LHD. like Chara big.
Is Boston still in the mix for Hayes?
Probably. He said the same teams are in the mix for Stone and Hayes.
Winnipeg, Boston, Nashville
probably more teams, but that's who he mentioned.
Have to believe they don't intend on signing him after the season. If they don't make the playoffs , they could be 11 to 14th
Ok. Assuming they don't trade Bob and Panarin now... They also won't accumulate assets when they walk.
That's going all in.
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Awesome. Great job
The cap hit is probably why the 3rd was thrown in or maybe why it was a 3rd instead of a later pick. The Rangers don't care about 2018-2019 cap at this point, right?
No. Plenty of cap space to work with and it's not we're committing longterm to anyone.
Right. So keeping as much cap (if it gets you more/better picks) was smart.
But it shouldn't. We essentially traded Zucc for a second rounder. Did you see what Ryan fucking Dzingel got?
One guy is 31 the other is 26.
They are playing now I say they do something tomorrow and Monday.
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Awesome. Great job
The cap hit is probably why the 3rd was thrown in or maybe why it was a 3rd instead of a later pick. The Rangers don't care about 2018-2019 cap at this point, right?
No. Plenty of cap space to work with and it's not we're committing longterm to anyone.
Right. So keeping as much cap (if it gets you more/better picks) was smart.
But it shouldn't. We essentially traded Zucc for a second rounder. Did you see what Ryan fucking Dzingel got?
One guy is 31 the other is 26.
Stop worrying about important differences
Meh. No need to overpay.
Assets will be cheaper in the off season. This team can win without getting fleeced.
Good trade for the Sabres
up to you. I don't mind either way. what do you think?
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Are you going to start a new thread for the deadline today or use this one? Just want to know which one to refresh!
up to you. I don't mind either way. what do you think?
Start a new one.
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Are you going to start a new thread for the deadline today or use this one? Just want to know which one to refresh!
up to you. I don't mind either way. what do you think?
Start a new one ;-)