NFT: NHL Trade Deadline Thread - Leafs Inquire about Kreider

In comment 14303065 MetsAreBack said:

Quote:

In comment 14302993 pjcas18 said: Quote: is a healthy scratch very often at this point. I liked him, but that was probably smart to throw him in. He's been terrible the past couple years. He had value as a rental that year. Because he's not aged well has nothing to do with it. Basically the Rangers traded three first round picks for 39 year old MSL... all because Sather was retiring soon and didn't care about maximizing Henrik's window, he wanted one title before he left.

Oh, agree, terrible trade and Callahan had one good year in TB, but overall he's been a disaster.

Quote:

Tampa Bay Lightning trade Martin St. Louis and a conditional 2nd round pick to the New York Rangers for Ryan Callahan, a 1st, and conditional 2nd and 7th round picks The Rangers would receive Tampa Bay�s 2015 2nd round pick only if Callahan re-signed there, which he did, meaning the Lightning would get back the Rangers 2015 7th round pick. The conditional 2014 2nd round pick would turn into a 1st round pick if the Rangers made the Conference Finals in 2014, which they did. So, the Lightning ultimately got Callahan, two 1st round picks and a 7th round pick in return.

Had the Rangers not made the conference finals the second round picks would have cancelled out and it basically would have been a late 1st, a 7th rd pick, and Callahan (who almost instantly got way overpaid) for St Louis - who was no doubt 39 but also a PPG player who led them in goals that year in the playoffs on the way to the cup.

pursuing Duchene,

Quote:

Chris Nichols ‏ @NicholsOnHockey 4s5 seconds ago "My understanding is they�re going pretty hard at Matt Duchene as well." #Isles #Sens

he was very good in the 2014 playoffs and 2015 regular season. They won a conference title and a president's trophy with him. They came close. The point about potentially bidding against ourselves in that spot is valid. Could they have held out since MSL only wanted to come to NY? Possibly. But we don't have the whole story. I wouldn't have put it past Yzerman to just keep him if he didn't get the deal he wanted. In the end, the price wasn't THAT damaging.

Same with Yandle. I thought he was a lot better than he got credit for in NY. He did take some time to adapt but his 2015-16 seasons was really good. The fault there lies with AV for playing him down in the lineup behind Staal, Boyle, Girardi, etc. Never understood why they paid the price for him if he was just going to be a 3rd pair defenseman. It was like the front office and coach weren't in communication. But with Duclair turning out to be a bit of a bust (anyone see Torts' comments the other day?), again not that damaging a price.

In comment 14303169 pjcas18 said:

Quote:

pursuing Duchene, Quote: Chris Nichols ‏ @NicholsOnHockey 4s5 seconds ago "My understanding is they�re going pretty hard at Matt Duchene as well." #Isles #Sens

I am very buyer beware on Duchene. Hope for the best I suppose - but I'd actually be pretty surprised if that's Lou's top target given that they need a wing for Barzal more than a center to knock Nelson to the 3rd line. I guess if Stone and Panarin aren't available he's just the top player on the market, but if the price is at all similar the other 2 are much better fits. I'd probably prefer Hayes over Duchene if the trade cost was slightly lower.

didn't end up in Nashville. He'd most likely re-sign long term there which would be beneficial to both sides as Ottawa gets a bigger price in that case.

In the end I think CBJ holds onto Panarin and rolls the dice. The franchise desperately needs to finally win a playoff series. Don't think they get the price they need to move him, considering Panarin is a pure rental going to UFA no matter what

as NYI understand that his shooting % is going to regress. He's a 1/2C tweener and the Isles depth at C in the organization is really thin.

Honestly, a perfect offseason would be letting Nelson, Lee and Eberle walk, extending Duchene and bringing in Panarin. More realistically, I suspect they'll let Eberle walk, try and extend Duchene and Lee, and see what the bidding looks like with Nelson.

too. Makes sense I guess. If they want to keep Panarin as their own rental, they might as well go all-in.

In comment 14303170 Kyle in NY said:

Quote:

It was like the front office and coach weren't in communication.

A recurring theme with the Rangers. See: Staal, E.

I can't muster a defense there. Of course then he goes to Minnesota and immediately becomes a top line player again

they are 5th in the Metro right now. Holding him right now when you know he won't resign is just as insane as it would have been for the Islanders to not deal JT last deadline if he had already told them he was signing in Toronto. He expressly said he didn't want to get traded and it was still stupid that they held him.

Honestly even flipping Panarin and using those exact same assets to get Duchene would be smarter - since there's at least a non-zero chance Duchene could resign there.

In comment 14303218 Eric on Li said:

Quote:

they are 5th in the Metro right now. Holding him right now when you know he won't resign is just as insane as it would have been for the Islanders to not deal JT last deadline if he had already told them he was signing in Toronto. He expressly said he didn't want to get traded and it was still stupid that they held him. Honestly even flipping Panarin and using those exact same assets to get Duchene would be smarter - since there's at least a non-zero chance Duchene could resign there.

The big difference is that the Islanders were well out of the playoffs last year at the deadline while Columbus is essentially in a playoff spot (two games in hand one 1 pt "behind" CAR) right now.

It's a lot easier to deal off a rental player when the team is completely out of it. It's another thing to do it when the team is in playoff position.

You can make an argument for them to deal Panarin, hell, I agree that it's the right move given that they are struggling too, but IMO, it's a very different situation than the Islanders last year.

NHL playoffs are often pretty unpredictable and I sure as hell wouldn't want to face a Columbus team with Panarin, Duchene and Bobo all playing for UFA dollars in the first round.

Who a)got a concussion and only played a few games for them b)then bolted for the Devils.

for Duchene is the three-point plan I've read (pick, prospect, player) I'd do it.

I think he can play top 6 minutes easy, even top line, and PP as well.

In comment 14303236 pjcas18 said:

Quote:

for Duchene is the three-point plan I've read (pick, prospect, player) I'd do it. I think he can play top 6 minutes easy, even top line, and PP as well.

Some prolific message board poster claimed that the Islanders offer for Duchene was 2019 1st, Beuvillier and Dal Colle. Not sure I'd offer more than that, but I'd be OK with that price.

In comment 14303234 Greg from LI said:

Quote:

Who a)got a concussion and only played a few games for them b)then bolted for the Devils.

Gotta say though. That first game with him, Brassard and Moore was one of the funnest games I can remember.

Gaborik trade comes out of nowhere and they all show up the same day and destroy Pittsburgh that night. And I think each new player scored. Brassard really brought the energy from the jump

Isles were just 1 point back of the 8th seed with 62 points. Yes this years columbus team is on a higher point trajectory (69 points in 59 games), but it's not as different as you would think.

Jackets. If that happens, the first domino will have fallen and it'll cause a flurry of action.

Gorton should hit a home run in any trade for Zucc, a grand slam in any trade for Hayes and a...whatever's greater than a grand slam if it comes to Krieder.

Elliotte Friedman
‏
Verified account

@FriedgeHNIC

More Elliotte Friedman Retweeted Aaron Portzline
There is traction to this. Columbus and Ottawa working on a Duchene deal



So that would mean that the Blue Jackets would be out on Hayes. Still, there's no shortage of teams interested in Hayes.

In comment 14303252 Eric on Li said:

Quote:

Isles were just 1 point back of the 8th seed with 62 points. Yes this years columbus team is on a higher point trajectory (69 points in 59 games), but it's not as different as you would think.

Fair enough. I guess I�d written off last years Isles season as a complete disaster!

But if they're serious about truly rebuilding (which I doubt), I am certain they can get more for Kreider than anyone else they're shopping.

is ideal for the Rangers and Hayes IMO. Was fully expecting Ottawa to string it out to the deadline.

In comment 14303264 Anakim said:

Quote:

Jackets. If that happens, the first domino will have fallen and it'll cause a flurry of action. Gorton should hit a home run in any trade for Zucc, a grand slam in any trade for Hayes and a...whatever's greater than a grand slam if it comes to Krieder.

It makes sense that CBJ would go all in and try to get a rental rather than sell of Panarin. They are on the cusp of losing Panarin and Bobrovsky, so the fan base needs something. And the bar in Columbus is really just to win a first round series. That will make next year much easier to swallow, especially if they can re-sign Duchene.

on Duchene lasted about a half hour. Big move incoming by Columbus. Wonder if this makes them more comfortable to move Panarin or if they're just all in now

Aaron Portzline
‏Verified account @Aportzline

Word in Cleveland is that #CBJ prospect Vitaly Abramov was pulled off the ice during practice this morning and could be headed to Ottawa. #Sens @monstershockey
11:23 AM - 22 Feb 2019

In comment 14303247 Anakim said:

Quote:

In comment 14303234 Greg from LI said: Quote: Who a)got a concussion and only played a few games for them b)then bolted for the Devils. Gotta say though. That first game with him, Brassard and Moore was one of the funnest games I can remember.

You're thinking of Derek Dorsett, not Clowe.

Dorsett's career did end with concussions too though once he left

In comment 14303290 Davisian said:

Quote:

In comment 14303247 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 14303234 Greg from LI said: Quote: Who a)got a concussion and only played a few games for them b)then bolted for the Devils. Gotta say though. That first game with him, Brassard and Moore was one of the funnest games I can remember. You're thinking of Derek Dorsett, not Clowe.

Dorsett was injured when we traded for him

not from Columbus

Retired due to a neck injury, not concussions.

But Clowe debuted the same night as those Columbus guys. Dorsett didn't play for a bit cause he was injured when they got him

In comment 14303336 Davisian said:

Quote:

Retired due to a neck injury, not concussions.

Yes, my mistake. We downgraded letting him go for Glass

In comment 14303323 Davisian said:

Quote:

not from Columbus

Yes, but Clowe, Brassard and Moore all debuted for the Rangers on the same night

So that make sense.

So here come the dominoes

and recoup some of the assets. They just set the price on Panarin. 1st rounder this year, conditional next year on resigning. They can basically swap 1 top FA to be for another, except get 1 they have a chance to resign vs. 1 they can't.

If they roll the dice on Panarin, BOB, and Duchene all hitting FA, losing more than 1 premium pick, and possibly not even making the playoffs, Garth Snow should send them a resume asap.

You don�t have to be a terrible hockey player just because you�re the designated fourth line �grinder�

Tanner Glass and Cody McLeod should take notes

was a really good player before the concussions.

the epitome of a 3rd liner, could score, put up 50+ points per year, could drop the gloves, hit like a freight train, defensively responsible.

concussions end probably more hockey careers than football careers.

In comment 14303436 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:

Quote:

Quote: Bob McKenzie ✔ @TSNBobMcKenzie I believe it�s a first rounder, Abramov and Davidsson for Duchene and Bergman plus a conditional first to OTT if Duchene signs in CBJ.

Much less asking price from what I had heard.

Abramov and Davidsson are not top prospects.

Good deal for CBJ IMO and I guess the 1st helps soften the blow for OTT since they weren't going to re-sign Duchene, but I thought they'd get more.

That deal was as good as I hoped for. Stone will get more so it's not a bad start for a tear down. Plus, it also takes Panarin off the market - putting a higher premium on Stone.

Darren Dreger
‏
Verified account

@DarrenDreger

Lots of action on veteran NYR forward Mats Zuccarello. High picks or a high pick and a prospect expected to be the return.

Heard Friedman yesterday say that before that the market was pretty light for him. He was a great Ranger. Think if he doesn't get hurt in 2015 it's back to back finals

Darren Dreger
‏Verified account @DarrenDreger

Now that Duchene is off the market teams will dial in on Kevin Hayes. Sources says a few teams have inquired about trading for both Hayes and Zuccarello. #aggressive
1:33 PM - 22 Feb 2019


Adam Herman
‏Verified account @AdamZHerman
1m1 minute ago

As I alluded to earlier, Duchene getting moved with 3 full days until the deadline was great news for NY. Prevents the gridlock that held up McDonagh and Evander Kane deals last year and limited trade value.

In comment 14303559 pjcas18 said:

Quote:

Darren Dreger ‏Verified account @DarrenDreger Now that Duchene is off the market teams will dial in on Kevin Hayes. Sources says a few teams have inquired about trading for both Hayes and Zuccarello. #aggressive 1:33 PM - 22 Feb 2019 Adam Herman ‏Verified account @AdamZHerman 1m1 minute ago As I alluded to earlier, Duchene getting moved with 3 full days until the deadline was great news for NY. Prevents the gridlock that held up McDonagh and Evander Kane deals last year and limited trade value.

Hayes and Zucc for Cale Makar would be amazing

In comment 14303562 Anakim said:

Quote:

In comment 14303559 pjcas18 said: Quote: Darren Dreger ‏Verified account @DarrenDreger Now that Duchene is off the market teams will dial in on Kevin Hayes. Sources says a few teams have inquired about trading for both Hayes and Zuccarello. #aggressive 1:33 PM - 22 Feb 2019 Adam Herman ‏Verified account @AdamZHerman 1m1 minute ago As I alluded to earlier, Duchene getting moved with 3 full days until the deadline was great news for NY. Prevents the gridlock that held up McDonagh and Evander Kane deals last year and limited trade value. Hayes and Zucc for Cale Makar would be amazing

Eh, who am I kidding? We packaged McDonagh and Miller and didn't get back much. A late first, a conditional first and two players with limited upside. Whoopee...

Simon Boisvert
‏ @simonsnake70
2h2 hours ago

Senators better hope Duchene signs with Columbus to get an extra 1st round pick, because the two prospects they received won't move the needle. I wonder if this was the best offer they got.

In comment 14303643 pjcas18 said:

Quote:

Simon Boisvert ‏ @simonsnake70 2h2 hours ago Senators better hope Duchene signs with Columbus to get an extra 1st round pick, because the two prospects they received won't move the needle. I wonder if this was the best offer they got.

Dreger seemed to be high on Abramov

In comment 14303646 Anakim said:

Quote:

In comment 14303643 pjcas18 said: Quote: Simon Boisvert ‏ @simonsnake70 2h2 hours ago Senators better hope Duchene signs with Columbus to get an extra 1st round pick, because the two prospects they received won't move the needle. I wonder if this was the best offer they got. Dreger seemed to be high on Abramov

Quite a few scouts are too, so they know more than me.