Listening to Colin Cowherd he just stated that Brady has agreed to take a pay cut for next year
He also stated that it is (8) years in a row , since 2010, that Brady has been paid market rate
This is why the Patriots win
Their best player is willing to take less so that the Patriots can field a better team
Is there another football player of Brady’s stature who takes less than they are worth?
The irony of this it still hasn't/won't stop BB from bargain shopping.
Maybe this is the first step towards the Beckham trade... ;)
The irony of this it still hasn't/won't stop BB from bargain shopping.
Maybe this is the first step towards the Beckham trade... ;)
That's not why he does it at all. He gets paid, just not through his contract, through the side business.
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paid like a Top tier QB
you must've forgotten what a bottom tier QB looks like. (Hint: it's not Eli)
I love Eli. So I suppose it depends on how big the tier is. He's definitely paid like he's a top 15 qb and he isn't anymore. It's not exactly his fault he's overpaid but he definitely underperforms his cap allocation.
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He's pretty clearly able to do this because he's still got money flowing in through other channels. He's already set for life and is in a very unique situation.
People see this stuff and then just expect every guy in the league to do it for the sake of his team. It's not a fair expectation.
Well I get this. If I am the head of the Players Union, I'd be livid. It hurts all the other player's leverage.
The Facts don't support this argument. As it stands, QBs continue to set record contract deals with unproven types like Jimmy G approaching $30 mil/year.
I actually argue the passing rules have gotten so ridiculous that QBs are way overpaid to what is "fair" versus other positions on the field. Not only the rules, but the injury protections put in place - one reason OL and RBs can't get paid is because more often than not they can't give you 16 healthy games in a year.
How is it good for the game that one position routinely eats up 20% of your salary cap while other guys struggle to have a 7-8 year career at a few million per year?
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He's pretty clearly able to do this because he's still got money flowing in through other channels. He's already set for life and is in a very unique situation.
People see this stuff and then just expect every guy in the league to do it for the sake of his team. It's not a fair expectation.
Well I get this. If I am the head of the Players Union, I'd be livid. It hurts all the other player's leverage.
The Facts don't support this argument. As it stands, QBs continue to set record contract deals with unproven types like Jimmy G approaching $30 mil/year.
I actually argue the passing rules have gotten so ridiculous that QBs are way overpaid to what is "fair" versus other positions on the field. Not only the rules, but the injury protections put in place - one reason OL and RBs can't get paid is because more often than not they can't give you 16 healthy games in a year.
How is it good for the game that one position routinely eats up 20% of your salary cap while other guys struggle to have a 7-8 year career at a few million per year?
Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham. If he were paid the right way, I bet you the dynasty doesn't exist. BB uses it to peg all FA's against. You want to come here, you need to take an undervalue contract. I have the GOAT QB, and he takes a massively under paid contract. It's just cheating the system. All because Kraft, his "CO-Owner" can give him as much money as he wants through his side business.
And for the record: I don't begrudge Eli at all for not taking a paycut. He, and all players, should absolutely try to earn as much money as possible throughout their careers.
I don't think when Archie played he ended up with more money than he knows what to do with and even if he does what makes you think he is giving much of any of his money to Eli? I don't really see your point, although I do agree with the second point. He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.
Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham.
I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with the your earlier point about the players union / union head being livid about his AAV contracts.
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He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.
Eli's played 15 years and made $235 million thus far in his career. He has every right to get paid whatever the Giants are willing to pay him, but I don't think he's the best example of the "life is short in the NFL gotta make money while you can" argument.
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Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham.
I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with the your earlier point about the players union / union head being livid about his AAV contracts.
The point being is that the Union should be pushing for the "best of all time" QB to be paid like the best of all time. That's their job. It helps all the players.
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Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham.
I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with the your earlier point about the players union / union head being livid about his AAV contracts.
Most pro athlete unions frown upon high profile players taking below market deals.
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I find it funny that Brady's wife is propped up as a reason why he takes a paycut and why others can't do it. Like Eli doesn't come from a football royalty family with more money than they know what to do with.
And for the record: I don't begrudge Eli at all for not taking a paycut. He, and all players, should absolutely try to earn as much money as possible throughout their careers.
I don't think when Archie played he ended up with more money than he knows what to do with and even if he does what makes you think he is giving much of any of his money to Eli? I don't really see your point, although I do agree with the second point. He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.
Manning Inc. is one of the most powerful entities in professional sports, and generates a ton of money and value for the whole gang.
The Giants and the NFL play into it, and Eli certainly benefits financially on the back of his family's value.
It's a weird relationship with Eli. On one hand, good for him for getting paid.
But let's be real, if he was player X and was a mid-tier performer with a top tier salary he'd be cut or negotiated down.
His top 10 salary is based on sentimentality and previous performance.
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He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.
Eli's played 15 years and made $235 million thus far in his career. He has every right to get paid whatever the Giants are willing to pay him, but I don't think he's the best example of the "life is short in the NFL gotta make money while you can" argument.
Does that number include endorsements? just curious
Got ugly fast.
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He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.
Eli's played 15 years and made $235 million thus far in his career. He has every right to get paid whatever the Giants are willing to pay him, but I don't think he's the best example of the "life is short in the NFL gotta make money while you can" argument.
Regardless whether anyone things it's too much, or more than enough, that's not really the point. When taking into account ones entire life It's still a relatively short window for him to be able to earn that kind of money.
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Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham.
I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with the your earlier point about the players union / union head being livid about his AAV contracts.
The point being is that the Union should be pushing for the "best of all time" QB to be paid like the best of all time. That's their job. It helps all the players.
Its a salary cap league. QBs continue to set record deals, despite what Brady is doing. Brady taking less helps his non-qB teammates get more... which I guess helps non-QB players on other teams get paid more.
I think this argument holds more water in a non-capped sport.
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Not that I expect Brady to seek a 3yr/$120M+ deal, which he deserves, but he's just wound differently, and chasing and making history.
The irony of this it still hasn't/won't stop BB from bargain shopping.
Maybe this is the first step towards the Beckham trade... ;)
That's not why he does it at all. He gets paid, just not through his contract, through the side business.
Of course that's why Brady takes less. Case in point - in 2007 he specifically re-negotiated so the Pats could add Moss.
I don't know about any non-cap financial deals he has with Pats Central, and how that may subsidize income, but I do know Brady understands the economics of football. And the less cap money he demands, increases the chances of his football team adding more and better talent.
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In comment 14302574 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham.
I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with the your earlier point about the players union / union head being livid about his AAV contracts.
The point being is that the Union should be pushing for the "best of all time" QB to be paid like the best of all time. That's their job. It helps all the players.
Its a salary cap league. QBs continue to set record deals, despite what Brady is doing. Brady taking less helps his non-qB teammates get more... which I guess helps non-QB players on other teams get paid more.
I think this argument holds more water in a non-capped sport.
If Brady got paid accordingly, it would be higher.
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Not that I expect Brady to seek a 3yr/$120M+ deal, which he deserves, but he's just wound differently, and chasing and making history.
The irony of this it still hasn't/won't stop BB from bargain shopping.
Maybe this is the first step towards the Beckham trade... ;)
That's not why he does it at all. He gets paid, just not through his contract, through the side business.
Of course that's why Brady takes less. Case in point - in 2007 he specifically re-negotiated so the Pats could add Moss.
I don't know about any non-cap financial deals he has with Pats Central, and how that may subsidize income, but I do know Brady understands the economics of football. And the less cap money he demands, increases the chances of his football team adding more and better talent.
He's not just saying oh boy I'll take a paycut to fit Moss or whoever in. He takes let's say a $5 million paycut and then gets it back as CoOwner of TB12 and Kraft is just funneling the money to you.
who cares? the league should care. i'm surprised that this hasn't gained more scrutiny.
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In comment 14302545 Lambuth_Special said:
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He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.
Eli's played 15 years and made $235 million thus far in his career. He has every right to get paid whatever the Giants are willing to pay him, but I don't think he's the best example of the "life is short in the NFL gotta make money while you can" argument.
Does that number include endorsements? just curious
nope
Fun fact. This year Eli will pass his brother as the player paid the most money in his career
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paid like a Top tier QB
you must've forgotten what a bottom tier QB looks like. (Hint: it's not Eli)
I've surely forgotten...what, with all the success Eli has had in the last 7 years. Must be tough on other teams looking up at us.
Offshore? He's a major funder of the TB12 scam and the quack trainer who Belichick kicks out of Patriots HQ and blamed for some of Gronk's injury issues.
The reality is, this is uncharted territory for the league to have a player so locked into a team and able to create his own side business that basically circumvents the cap. Less than 1% of the top of 1% of the NFL players would ever be in position to do this.
Got ugly fast.
Eli never had a side business
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He's pretty clearly able to do this because he's still got money flowing in through other channels. He's already set for life and is in a very unique situation.
People see this stuff and then just expect every guy in the league to do it for the sake of his team. It's not a fair expectation.
Well I get this. If I am the head of the Players Union, I'd be livid. It hurts all the other player's leverage.
The Facts don't support this argument. As it stands, QBs continue to set record contract deals with unproven types like Jimmy G approaching $30 mil/year.
I actually argue the passing rules have gotten so ridiculous that QBs are way overpaid to what is "fair" versus other positions on the field. Not only the rules, but the injury protections put in place - one reason OL and RBs can't get paid is because more often than not they can't give you 16 healthy games in a year.
How is it good for the game that one position routinely eats up 20% of your salary cap while other guys struggle to have a 7-8 year career at a few million per year?
Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham. If he were paid the right way, I bet you the dynasty doesn't exist. BB uses it to peg all FA's against. You want to come here, you need to take an undervalue contract. I have the GOAT QB, and he takes a massively under paid contract. It's just cheating the system. All because Kraft, his "CO-Owner" can give him as much money as he wants through his side business.
Damn, unfortunate typo in that first sentence. :)
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just got a huge investment from the Patriots, I am sure.
Exactly. TB12 just got some additional "seed" money to do some "research". Maybe they can hire sxcda for their R&D department. That dude knows his shit.
Winner winner!
This does many things, it keeps Brady attached to the team for long after his playing days. It's great from a marketing standpoint, that the GOAT is still with the team. When they experience some lean times. They will still have Brady doing press conferences as the face of the team.
Win Win for the Pats
When I went to Gillett a few years back, there definitely was a TB12 store in "Patriot Place"
No need to go offshore, they just go next door:
http://www.patriot-place.com/tb12
Don't you think if Brady was getting funding from Kraft for TB12 to offset his "pay cuts" at a minimum the Jets, Bills and Dolphins would be all over the league to investigate it?
Don't you think other NFL teams would be on their highly paid players to set up side business in a similar way so they too could take advantage of circumventing the salary cap?
Don't you think at least one team would file some kind of complaint that at least would warrant an investigation?
Or are the BBI posters who know about this TB12 skimming operation just that much smarter than every NFL franchise who just shrugs and says that Tom Brady is a swell guy.
And if somehow by some stroke of I guess luck, Brady and the Pats are getting away with this then shame the fuck on the Giants and Eli for not starting the EM10 nutrition company two or three years ago, so the Giants can shave off 5 - 10M off the cap and get an OL or a DL.
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He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.
Eli's played 15 years and made $235 million thus far in his career. He has every right to get paid whatever the Giants are willing to pay him, but I don't think he's the best example of the "life is short in the NFL gotta make money while you can" argument.
LOL I was thinking the same thing. This argument makes sense when you consider the average career in the NFL is like 3 years and average salary is a couple mill per year. Then yeah I understand you gotta make every dollar you can because it has to last you and your family the rest of your life. Even the best players only get 1 big pay day in their careers and it can all end with injury in an instant. But Eli Manning? C'mon now.
Don't you think if Brady was getting funding from Kraft for TB12 to offset his "pay cuts" at a minimum the Jets, Bills and Dolphins would be all over the league to investigate it?
Don't you think other NFL teams would be on their highly paid players to set up side business in a similar way so they too could take advantage of circumventing the salary cap?
Don't you think at least one team would file some kind of complaint that at least would warrant an investigation?
Or are the BBI posters who know about this TB12 skimming operation just that much smarter than every NFL franchise who just shrugs and says that Tom Brady is a swell guy.
And if somehow by some stroke of I guess luck, Brady and the Pats are getting away with this then shame the fuck on the Giants and Eli for not starting the EM10 nutrition company two or three years ago, so the Giants can shave off 5 - 10M off the cap and get an OL or a DL.
Not to mention the IRS would be interested in such activity.
This does many things, it keeps Brady attached to the team for long after his playing days. It's great from a marketing standpoint, that the GOAT is still with the team. When they experience some lean times. They will still have Brady doing press conferences as the face of the team.
Win Win for the Pats
unique relationship? you don't say!
False.