for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

Brady to take a pay cut next year

Archer : 2/21/2019 1:58 pm
Listening to Colin Cowherd he just stated that Brady has agreed to take a pay cut for next year
He also stated that it is (8) years in a row , since 2010, that Brady has been paid market rate
This is why the Patriots win
Their best player is willing to take less so that the Patriots can field a better team

Is there another football player of Brady’s stature who takes less than they are worth?
Pages: 1 2 | Show All |  Next>>
I've thought about this and it just makes sense....  
Britt in VA : 2/21/2019 1:59 pm : link
for Brady.

At this point, he's chasing rings. He's not playing for money.

Secondly, he's chasing rings, and he's 41. Times running out.

It all makes sense.
His business  
dep026 : 2/21/2019 1:59 pm : link
just got a huge investment from the Patriots, I am sure.
WHAT A GUY!  
Brown Recluse : 2/21/2019 2:00 pm : link
.
He's in a very unique situation.  
Britt in VA : 2/21/2019 2:00 pm : link
.
...  
26.2 : 2/21/2019 2:00 pm : link
Pretty much all the players who aren't married to women who are way richer than they are.
I wouldn't say what Brady is being paid is why the Patriots win.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/21/2019 2:00 pm : link
.
RE: His business  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2019 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14302459 dep026 said:
Quote:
just got a huge investment from the Patriots, I am sure.

Yup.
RE: His business  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/21/2019 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14302459 dep026 said:
Quote:
just got a huge investment from the Patriots, I am sure.


+1.
RE: His business  
figgy2989 : 2/21/2019 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14302459 dep026 said:
Quote:
just got a huge investment from the Patriots, I am sure.


Exactly. TB12 just got some additional "seed" money to do some "research". Maybe they can hire sxcda for their R&D department. That dude knows his shit.
Yeah I always thought this was funny with Eli  
NoGainDayne : 2/21/2019 2:02 pm : link
everyone being like no one else does it why would Eli take a pay cut!

What's wrong with Brady being the exemplar that people should follow? Especially with Eli's tail off in production. I'll always love and appreciate Eli but seeing the way this franchise and his play on the field has gone down without a willingness for him to help the team by making a salary more in line with his play has affected the way I look at him for sure. And that's a shame.
RE: His business  
Dnew15 : 2/21/2019 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14302459 dep026 said:
Quote:
just got a huge investment from the Patriots, I am sure.


I can't believe the NFL never looked into this - b/c I agree with you. I'm sure that went down. Some of the stuff that the NFL allows the Pats to get away with is BS.
Just follow the Patriots blueprint  
UConn4523 : 2/21/2019 2:06 pm : link
it’s easy!
The NFL couldn't investigate a dunkin donuts.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/21/2019 2:07 pm : link
.
Having A Highly Paid Supermodel Wife  
Trainmaster : 2/21/2019 2:07 pm : link
Might be a factor in his willingness to accept a pay cut.
It’s a generally accepted fact in football circles  
mfsd : 2/21/2019 2:09 pm : link
Kraft has a handshake agreement with TB to pay him well for a post playing career org role. This isn’t just TB being such a wonderful guy that he’s accepting less than he’s worth.
Having Robert Kraft  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/21/2019 2:16 pm : link
as a business partner for TB12 helps.
.  
arcarsenal : 2/21/2019 2:19 pm : link
He's pretty clearly able to do this because he's still got money flowing in through other channels. He's already set for life and is in a very unique situation.

People see this stuff and then just expect every guy in the league to do it for the sake of his team. It's not a fair expectation.

RE: .  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/21/2019 2:27 pm : link
In comment 14302492 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
He's pretty clearly able to do this because he's still got money flowing in through other channels. He's already set for life and is in a very unique situation.

People see this stuff and then just expect every guy in the league to do it for the sake of his team. It's not a fair expectation.


Well I get this. If I am the head of the Players Union, I'd be livid. It hurts all the other player's leverage.
RE: RE: His business  
ron mexico : 2/21/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14302473 Dnew15 said:
Quote:
In comment 14302459 dep026 said:


Quote:


just got a huge investment from the Patriots, I am sure.



I can't believe the NFL never looked into this - b/c I agree with you. I'm sure that went down. Some of the stuff that the NFL allows the Pats to get away with is BS.


I'm of two minds here.

Yes this looks shady, but if the league was willing to dock them a first round pick, and suspend TB for 4 games for deflate gate, why wouldn't they be on them for this?

FYI this is the official statement from the league. Interesting choice of "not determined that there is any violation" as opposed to "determined that there is no violation"


“We are aware of the arrangement and have not determined that there is any violation of the CBA [collective bargaining agreement].’’
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 2/21/2019 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14302507 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
Quote:
In comment 14302492 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


He's pretty clearly able to do this because he's still got money flowing in through other channels. He's already set for life and is in a very unique situation.

People see this stuff and then just expect every guy in the league to do it for the sake of his team. It's not a fair expectation.




Well I get this. If I am the head of the Players Union, I'd be livid. It hurts all the other player's leverage.


Yeah it's not good for the other guys - and it's annoying when fans clamor for them all to do it just because Brady does.

8 billion times I had to read about how Eli should "just take less money!" Brady does it!
RE: RE: RE: .  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/21/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14302518 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
In comment 14302507 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


Quote:


In comment 14302492 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


He's pretty clearly able to do this because he's still got money flowing in through other channels. He's already set for life and is in a very unique situation.

People see this stuff and then just expect every guy in the league to do it for the sake of his team. It's not a fair expectation.




Well I get this. If I am the head of the Players Union, I'd be livid. It hurts all the other player's leverage.



Yeah it's not good for the other guys - and it's annoying when fans clamor for them all to do it just because Brady does.

8 billion times I had to read about how Eli should "just take less money!" Brady does it!


It sets a bad precedent and you know he's the best QB of all time, so he should be paid like it.
It's not remotely heroic  
CT Charlie : 2/21/2019 2:37 pm : link
when your wife is earning tens of millions more than you AND your fabulously wealthy boss will do anything to help you now and forever.
One of the main problems with Eli is that he's a bottom tier QB  
Heisenberg : 2/21/2019 2:40 pm : link
paid like a Top tier QB
RE: One of the main problems with Eli is that he's a bottom tier QB  
Pan-handler : 2/21/2019 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14302535 Heisenberg said:
Quote:
paid like a Top tier QB


you must've forgotten what a bottom tier QB looks like. (Hint: it's not Eli)
The Gisele Example  
Lambuth_Special : 2/21/2019 2:49 pm : link
I find it funny that Brady's wife is propped up as a reason why he takes a paycut and why others can't do it. Like Eli doesn't come from a football royalty family with more money than they know what to do with.

And for the record: I don't begrudge Eli at all for not taking a paycut. He, and all players, should absolutely try to earn as much money as possible throughout their careers.
RE: RE: His business  
dorgan : 2/21/2019 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14302467 figgy2989 said:
Quote:


Maybe they can hire sxcda for their R&D department. That dude knows his shit.


well played, sir.
I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere...  
bw in dc : 2/21/2019 2:59 pm : link
Not that I expect Brady to seek a 3yr/$120M+ deal, which he deserves, but he's just wound differently, and chasing and making history.

The irony of this it still hasn't/won't stop BB from bargain shopping.

Maybe this is the first step towards the Beckham trade... ;)
RE: I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere...  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/21/2019 3:02 pm : link
In comment 14302562 bw in dc said:
Quote:
Not that I expect Brady to seek a 3yr/$120M+ deal, which he deserves, but he's just wound differently, and chasing and making history.

The irony of this it still hasn't/won't stop BB from bargain shopping.

Maybe this is the first step towards the Beckham trade... ;)


That's not why he does it at all. He gets paid, just not through his contract, through the side business.
RE: RE: One of the main problems with Eli is that he's a bottom tier QB  
Heisenberg : 2/21/2019 3:02 pm : link
In comment 14302538 Pan-handler said:
Quote:
In comment 14302535 Heisenberg said:


Quote:


paid like a Top tier QB



you must've forgotten what a bottom tier QB looks like. (Hint: it's not Eli)


I love Eli. So I suppose it depends on how big the tier is. He's definitely paid like he's a top 15 qb and he isn't anymore. It's not exactly his fault he's overpaid but he definitely underperforms his cap allocation.
RE: RE: .  
MetsAreBack : 2/21/2019 3:03 pm : link
In comment 14302507 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
Quote:
In comment 14302492 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


He's pretty clearly able to do this because he's still got money flowing in through other channels. He's already set for life and is in a very unique situation.

People see this stuff and then just expect every guy in the league to do it for the sake of his team. It's not a fair expectation.




Well I get this. If I am the head of the Players Union, I'd be livid. It hurts all the other player's leverage.


The Facts don't support this argument. As it stands, QBs continue to set record contract deals with unproven types like Jimmy G approaching $30 mil/year.

I actually argue the passing rules have gotten so ridiculous that QBs are way overpaid to what is "fair" versus other positions on the field. Not only the rules, but the injury protections put in place - one reason OL and RBs can't get paid is because more often than not they can't give you 16 healthy games in a year.

How is it good for the game that one position routinely eats up 20% of your salary cap while other guys struggle to have a 7-8 year career at a few million per year?
Who cares  
RinR : 2/21/2019 3:06 pm : link
F the Patriots
RE: RE: RE: .  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/21/2019 3:08 pm : link
In comment 14302568 MetsAreBack said:
Quote:
In comment 14302507 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


Quote:


In comment 14302492 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


He's pretty clearly able to do this because he's still got money flowing in through other channels. He's already set for life and is in a very unique situation.

People see this stuff and then just expect every guy in the league to do it for the sake of his team. It's not a fair expectation.




Well I get this. If I am the head of the Players Union, I'd be livid. It hurts all the other player's leverage.



The Facts don't support this argument. As it stands, QBs continue to set record contract deals with unproven types like Jimmy G approaching $30 mil/year.

I actually argue the passing rules have gotten so ridiculous that QBs are way overpaid to what is "fair" versus other positions on the field. Not only the rules, but the injury protections put in place - one reason OL and RBs can't get paid is because more often than not they can't give you 16 healthy games in a year.

How is it good for the game that one position routinely eats up 20% of your salary cap while other guys struggle to have a 7-8 year career at a few million per year?


Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham. If he were paid the right way, I bet you the dynasty doesn't exist. BB uses it to peg all FA's against. You want to come here, you need to take an undervalue contract. I have the GOAT QB, and he takes a massively under paid contract. It's just cheating the system. All because Kraft, his "CO-Owner" can give him as much money as he wants through his side business.
RE: The Gisele Example  
steve in ky : 2/21/2019 3:17 pm : link
In comment 14302545 Lambuth_Special said:
Quote:
I find it funny that Brady's wife is propped up as a reason why he takes a paycut and why others can't do it. Like Eli doesn't come from a football royalty family with more money than they know what to do with.

And for the record: I don't begrudge Eli at all for not taking a paycut. He, and all players, should absolutely try to earn as much money as possible throughout their careers.


I don't think when Archie played he ended up with more money than he knows what to do with and even if he does what makes you think he is giving much of any of his money to Eli? I don't really see your point, although I do agree with the second point. He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.

RE: RE: RE: RE: .  
MetsAreBack : 2/21/2019 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14302574 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
Quote:



Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham.


I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with the your earlier point about the players union / union head being livid about his AAV contracts.
RE: RE: The Gisele Example  
Tesla : 2/21/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14302582 steve in ky said:
Quote:
In comment 14302545 Lambuth_Special said:


Quote:


He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.


Eli's played 15 years and made $235 million thus far in his career. He has every right to get paid whatever the Giants are willing to pay him, but I don't think he's the best example of the "life is short in the NFL gotta make money while you can" argument.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: .  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/21/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14302591 MetsAreBack said:
Quote:
In comment 14302574 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


Quote:





Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham.



I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with the your earlier point about the players union / union head being livid about his AAV contracts.


The point being is that the Union should be pushing for the "best of all time" QB to be paid like the best of all time. That's their job. It helps all the players.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: .  
steve in ky : 2/21/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14302591 MetsAreBack said:
Quote:
In comment 14302574 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


Quote:





Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham.



I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with the your earlier point about the players union / union head being livid about his AAV contracts.


Most pro athlete unions frown upon high profile players taking below market deals.
RE: RE: The Gisele Example  
christian : 2/21/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14302582 steve in ky said:
Quote:
In comment 14302545 Lambuth_Special said:


Quote:


I find it funny that Brady's wife is propped up as a reason why he takes a paycut and why others can't do it. Like Eli doesn't come from a football royalty family with more money than they know what to do with.

And for the record: I don't begrudge Eli at all for not taking a paycut. He, and all players, should absolutely try to earn as much money as possible throughout their careers.



I don't think when Archie played he ended up with more money than he knows what to do with and even if he does what makes you think he is giving much of any of his money to Eli? I don't really see your point, although I do agree with the second point. He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.


Manning Inc. is one of the most powerful entities in professional sports, and generates a ton of money and value for the whole gang.

The Giants and the NFL play into it, and Eli certainly benefits financially on the back of his family's value.

It's a weird relationship with Eli. On one hand, good for him for getting paid.

But let's be real, if he was player X and was a mid-tier performer with a top tier salary he'd be cut or negotiated down.

His top 10 salary is based on sentimentality and previous performance.
RE: It’s a generally accepted fact in football circles  
Les in TO : 2/21/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14302483 mfsd said:
Quote:
Kraft has a handshake agreement with TB to pay him well for a post playing career org role. This isn’t just TB being such a wonderful guy that he’s accepting less than he’s worth.
yup a kush 7 figure VP Team Culture gig is in the cards!


RE: RE: RE: The Gisele Example  
uther99 : 2/21/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14302598 Tesla said:
Quote:
In comment 14302582 steve in ky said:


Quote:


In comment 14302545 Lambuth_Special said:


Quote:


He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.




Eli's played 15 years and made $235 million thus far in his career. He has every right to get paid whatever the Giants are willing to pay him, but I don't think he's the best example of the "life is short in the NFL gotta make money while you can" argument.


Does that number include endorsements? just curious
Maybe ELI should restructure and create more cap  
TMS : 2/21/2019 3:43 pm : link
space so we have a better chance to get him into the hall. Brady is already there but ELI is a toss up without a few more decent seasons. Enough space for some FA pickups could go a long way. MO.
And remeber what happened with Eli's side business.....  
WideRight : 2/21/2019 3:46 pm : link

Got ugly fast.
RE: RE: RE: The Gisele Example  
steve in ky : 2/21/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14302598 Tesla said:
Quote:
In comment 14302582 steve in ky said:


Quote:


In comment 14302545 Lambuth_Special said:


Quote:


He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.




Eli's played 15 years and made $235 million thus far in his career. He has every right to get paid whatever the Giants are willing to pay him, but I don't think he's the best example of the "life is short in the NFL gotta make money while you can" argument.


Regardless whether anyone things it's too much, or more than enough, that's not really the point. When taking into account ones entire life It's still a relatively short window for him to be able to earn that kind of money.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: .  
MetsAreBack : 2/21/2019 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14302600 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
Quote:
In comment 14302591 MetsAreBack said:


Quote:


In comment 14302574 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


Quote:





Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham.



I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with the your earlier point about the players union / union head being livid about his AAV contracts.



The point being is that the Union should be pushing for the "best of all time" QB to be paid like the best of all time. That's their job. It helps all the players.


Its a salary cap league. QBs continue to set record deals, despite what Brady is doing. Brady taking less helps his non-qB teammates get more... which I guess helps non-QB players on other teams get paid more.

I think this argument holds more water in a non-capped sport.
RE: RE: I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere...  
bw in dc : 2/21/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14302566 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
Quote:
In comment 14302562 bw in dc said:


Quote:


Not that I expect Brady to seek a 3yr/$120M+ deal, which he deserves, but he's just wound differently, and chasing and making history.

The irony of this it still hasn't/won't stop BB from bargain shopping.

Maybe this is the first step towards the Beckham trade... ;)



That's not why he does it at all. He gets paid, just not through his contract, through the side business.


Of course that's why Brady takes less. Case in point - in 2007 he specifically re-negotiated so the Pats could add Moss.

I don't know about any non-cap financial deals he has with Pats Central, and how that may subsidize income, but I do know Brady understands the economics of football. And the less cap money he demands, increases the chances of his football team adding more and better talent.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: .  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/21/2019 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14302622 MetsAreBack said:
Quote:
In comment 14302600 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


Quote:


In comment 14302591 MetsAreBack said:


Quote:


In comment 14302574 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


Quote:





Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham.



I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with the your earlier point about the players union / union head being livid about his AAV contracts.



The point being is that the Union should be pushing for the "best of all time" QB to be paid like the best of all time. That's their job. It helps all the players.



Its a salary cap league. QBs continue to set record deals, despite what Brady is doing. Brady taking less helps his non-qB teammates get more... which I guess helps non-QB players on other teams get paid more.

I think this argument holds more water in a non-capped sport.


If Brady got paid accordingly, it would be higher.
RE: RE: RE: I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere...  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/21/2019 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14302625 bw in dc said:
Quote:
In comment 14302566 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


Quote:


In comment 14302562 bw in dc said:


Quote:


Not that I expect Brady to seek a 3yr/$120M+ deal, which he deserves, but he's just wound differently, and chasing and making history.

The irony of this it still hasn't/won't stop BB from bargain shopping.

Maybe this is the first step towards the Beckham trade... ;)



That's not why he does it at all. He gets paid, just not through his contract, through the side business.



Of course that's why Brady takes less. Case in point - in 2007 he specifically re-negotiated so the Pats could add Moss.

I don't know about any non-cap financial deals he has with Pats Central, and how that may subsidize income, but I do know Brady understands the economics of football. And the less cap money he demands, increases the chances of his football team adding more and better talent.


He's not just saying oh boy I'll take a paycut to fit Moss or whoever in. He takes let's say a $5 million paycut and then gets it back as CoOwner of TB12 and Kraft is just funneling the money to you.
You know, if you want your wife to be wealthier, and  
smshmth8690 : 2/21/2019 4:04 pm : link
she is in the entertainment business, I heard NY is the place to be Russell.
RE: Who cares  
SHO'NUFF : 2/21/2019 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14302572 RinR said:
Quote:
F the Patriots


who cares? the league should care. i'm surprised that this hasn't gained more scrutiny.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The Gisele Example  
ron mexico : 2/21/2019 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14302610 uther99 said:
Quote:
In comment 14302598 Tesla said:


Quote:


In comment 14302582 steve in ky said:


Quote:


In comment 14302545 Lambuth_Special said:


Quote:


He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.




Eli's played 15 years and made $235 million thus far in his career. He has every right to get paid whatever the Giants are willing to pay him, but I don't think he's the best example of the "life is short in the NFL gotta make money while you can" argument.



Does that number include endorsements? just curious


nope

Fun fact. This year Eli will pass his brother as the player paid the most money in his career
Pages: 1 2 | Show All |  Next>>
Back to the Corner