Listening to Colin Cowherd he just stated that Brady has agreed to take a pay cut for next year
He also stated that it is (8) years in a row , since 2010, that Brady has been paid market rate
This is why the Patriots win
Their best player is willing to take less so that the Patriots can field a better team
Is there another football player of Brady’s stature who takes less than they are worth?
At this point, he's chasing rings. He's not playing for money.
Secondly, he's chasing rings, and he's 41. Times running out.
It all makes sense.
Yup.
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Exactly. TB12 just got some additional "seed" money to do some "research". Maybe they can hire sxcda for their R&D department. That dude knows his shit.
What's wrong with Brady being the exemplar that people should follow? Especially with Eli's tail off in production. I'll always love and appreciate Eli but seeing the way this franchise and his play on the field has gone down without a willingness for him to help the team by making a salary more in line with his play has affected the way I look at him for sure. And that's a shame.
I can't believe the NFL never looked into this - b/c I agree with you. I'm sure that went down. Some of the stuff that the NFL allows the Pats to get away with is BS.
People see this stuff and then just expect every guy in the league to do it for the sake of his team. It's not a fair expectation.
People see this stuff and then just expect every guy in the league to do it for the sake of his team. It's not a fair expectation.
Well I get this. If I am the head of the Players Union, I'd be livid. It hurts all the other player's leverage.
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just got a huge investment from the Patriots, I am sure.
I can't believe the NFL never looked into this - b/c I agree with you. I'm sure that went down. Some of the stuff that the NFL allows the Pats to get away with is BS.
I'm of two minds here.
Yes this looks shady, but if the league was willing to dock them a first round pick, and suspend TB for 4 games for deflate gate, why wouldn't they be on them for this?
FYI this is the official statement from the league. Interesting choice of "not determined that there is any violation" as opposed to "determined that there is no violation"
“We are aware of the arrangement and have not determined that there is any violation of the CBA [collective bargaining agreement].’’
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He's pretty clearly able to do this because he's still got money flowing in through other channels. He's already set for life and is in a very unique situation.
People see this stuff and then just expect every guy in the league to do it for the sake of his team. It's not a fair expectation.
Well I get this. If I am the head of the Players Union, I'd be livid. It hurts all the other player's leverage.
Yeah it's not good for the other guys - and it's annoying when fans clamor for them all to do it just because Brady does.
8 billion times I had to read about how Eli should "just take less money!" Brady does it!
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He's pretty clearly able to do this because he's still got money flowing in through other channels. He's already set for life and is in a very unique situation.
People see this stuff and then just expect every guy in the league to do it for the sake of his team. It's not a fair expectation.
Well I get this. If I am the head of the Players Union, I'd be livid. It hurts all the other player's leverage.
Yeah it's not good for the other guys - and it's annoying when fans clamor for them all to do it just because Brady does.
8 billion times I had to read about how Eli should "just take less money!" Brady does it!
It sets a bad precedent and you know he's the best QB of all time, so he should be paid like it.
you must've forgotten what a bottom tier QB looks like. (Hint: it's not Eli)
And for the record: I don't begrudge Eli at all for not taking a paycut. He, and all players, should absolutely try to earn as much money as possible throughout their careers.
Maybe they can hire sxcda for their R&D department. That dude knows his shit.
well played, sir.
The irony of this it still hasn't/won't stop BB from bargain shopping.
Maybe this is the first step towards the Beckham trade... ;)
The irony of this it still hasn't/won't stop BB from bargain shopping.
Maybe this is the first step towards the Beckham trade... ;)
That's not why he does it at all. He gets paid, just not through his contract, through the side business.
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paid like a Top tier QB
you must've forgotten what a bottom tier QB looks like. (Hint: it's not Eli)
I love Eli. So I suppose it depends on how big the tier is. He's definitely paid like he's a top 15 qb and he isn't anymore. It's not exactly his fault he's overpaid but he definitely underperforms his cap allocation.
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He's pretty clearly able to do this because he's still got money flowing in through other channels. He's already set for life and is in a very unique situation.
People see this stuff and then just expect every guy in the league to do it for the sake of his team. It's not a fair expectation.
Well I get this. If I am the head of the Players Union, I'd be livid. It hurts all the other player's leverage.
The Facts don't support this argument. As it stands, QBs continue to set record contract deals with unproven types like Jimmy G approaching $30 mil/year.
I actually argue the passing rules have gotten so ridiculous that QBs are way overpaid to what is "fair" versus other positions on the field. Not only the rules, but the injury protections put in place - one reason OL and RBs can't get paid is because more often than not they can't give you 16 healthy games in a year.
How is it good for the game that one position routinely eats up 20% of your salary cap while other guys struggle to have a 7-8 year career at a few million per year?
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He's pretty clearly able to do this because he's still got money flowing in through other channels. He's already set for life and is in a very unique situation.
People see this stuff and then just expect every guy in the league to do it for the sake of his team. It's not a fair expectation.
Well I get this. If I am the head of the Players Union, I'd be livid. It hurts all the other player's leverage.
The Facts don't support this argument. As it stands, QBs continue to set record contract deals with unproven types like Jimmy G approaching $30 mil/year.
I actually argue the passing rules have gotten so ridiculous that QBs are way overpaid to what is "fair" versus other positions on the field. Not only the rules, but the injury protections put in place - one reason OL and RBs can't get paid is because more often than not they can't give you 16 healthy games in a year.
How is it good for the game that one position routinely eats up 20% of your salary cap while other guys struggle to have a 7-8 year career at a few million per year?
Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham. If he were paid the right way, I bet you the dynasty doesn't exist. BB uses it to peg all FA's against. You want to come here, you need to take an undervalue contract. I have the GOAT QB, and he takes a massively under paid contract. It's just cheating the system. All because Kraft, his "CO-Owner" can give him as much money as he wants through his side business.
And for the record: I don't begrudge Eli at all for not taking a paycut. He, and all players, should absolutely try to earn as much money as possible throughout their careers.
I don't think when Archie played he ended up with more money than he knows what to do with and even if he does what makes you think he is giving much of any of his money to Eli? I don't really see your point, although I do agree with the second point. He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.
Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham.
I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with the your earlier point about the players union / union head being livid about his AAV contracts.
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He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.
Eli's played 15 years and made $235 million thus far in his career. He has every right to get paid whatever the Giants are willing to pay him, but I don't think he's the best example of the "life is short in the NFL gotta make money while you can" argument.
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Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham.
I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with the your earlier point about the players union / union head being livid about his AAV contracts.
The point being is that the Union should be pushing for the "best of all time" QB to be paid like the best of all time. That's their job. It helps all the players.
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Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham.
I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with the your earlier point about the players union / union head being livid about his AAV contracts.
Most pro athlete unions frown upon high profile players taking below market deals.
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I find it funny that Brady's wife is propped up as a reason why he takes a paycut and why others can't do it. Like Eli doesn't come from a football royalty family with more money than they know what to do with.
And for the record: I don't begrudge Eli at all for not taking a paycut. He, and all players, should absolutely try to earn as much money as possible throughout their careers.
I don't think when Archie played he ended up with more money than he knows what to do with and even if he does what makes you think he is giving much of any of his money to Eli? I don't really see your point, although I do agree with the second point. He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.
Manning Inc. is one of the most powerful entities in professional sports, and generates a ton of money and value for the whole gang.
The Giants and the NFL play into it, and Eli certainly benefits financially on the back of his family's value.
It's a weird relationship with Eli. On one hand, good for him for getting paid.
But let's be real, if he was player X and was a mid-tier performer with a top tier salary he'd be cut or negotiated down.
His top 10 salary is based on sentimentality and previous performance.
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He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.
Eli's played 15 years and made $235 million thus far in his career. He has every right to get paid whatever the Giants are willing to pay him, but I don't think he's the best example of the "life is short in the NFL gotta make money while you can" argument.
Does that number include endorsements? just curious
Got ugly fast.
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He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.
Eli's played 15 years and made $235 million thus far in his career. He has every right to get paid whatever the Giants are willing to pay him, but I don't think he's the best example of the "life is short in the NFL gotta make money while you can" argument.
Regardless whether anyone things it's too much, or more than enough, that's not really the point. When taking into account ones entire life It's still a relatively short window for him to be able to earn that kind of money.
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Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham.
I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with the your earlier point about the players union / union head being livid about his AAV contracts.
The point being is that the Union should be pushing for the "best of all time" QB to be paid like the best of all time. That's their job. It helps all the players.
Its a salary cap league. QBs continue to set record deals, despite what Brady is doing. Brady taking less helps his non-qB teammates get more... which I guess helps non-QB players on other teams get paid more.
I think this argument holds more water in a non-capped sport.
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Not that I expect Brady to seek a 3yr/$120M+ deal, which he deserves, but he's just wound differently, and chasing and making history.
The irony of this it still hasn't/won't stop BB from bargain shopping.
Maybe this is the first step towards the Beckham trade... ;)
That's not why he does it at all. He gets paid, just not through his contract, through the side business.
Of course that's why Brady takes less. Case in point - in 2007 he specifically re-negotiated so the Pats could add Moss.
I don't know about any non-cap financial deals he has with Pats Central, and how that may subsidize income, but I do know Brady understands the economics of football. And the less cap money he demands, increases the chances of his football team adding more and better talent.
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Well for one, it helps create parody throughout the league. So Brady not getting paid market value for being the Greatest of ALl Time is really a sham.
I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with the your earlier point about the players union / union head being livid about his AAV contracts.
The point being is that the Union should be pushing for the "best of all time" QB to be paid like the best of all time. That's their job. It helps all the players.
Its a salary cap league. QBs continue to set record deals, despite what Brady is doing. Brady taking less helps his non-qB teammates get more... which I guess helps non-QB players on other teams get paid more.
I think this argument holds more water in a non-capped sport.
If Brady got paid accordingly, it would be higher.
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Not that I expect Brady to seek a 3yr/$120M+ deal, which he deserves, but he's just wound differently, and chasing and making history.
The irony of this it still hasn't/won't stop BB from bargain shopping.
Maybe this is the first step towards the Beckham trade... ;)
That's not why he does it at all. He gets paid, just not through his contract, through the side business.
Of course that's why Brady takes less. Case in point - in 2007 he specifically re-negotiated so the Pats could add Moss.
I don't know about any non-cap financial deals he has with Pats Central, and how that may subsidize income, but I do know Brady understands the economics of football. And the less cap money he demands, increases the chances of his football team adding more and better talent.
He's not just saying oh boy I'll take a paycut to fit Moss or whoever in. He takes let's say a $5 million paycut and then gets it back as CoOwner of TB12 and Kraft is just funneling the money to you.
who cares? the league should care. i'm surprised that this hasn't gained more scrutiny.
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He owes it to himself and his family to maximize his income while he can. NFL careers are short lived.
Eli's played 15 years and made $235 million thus far in his career. He has every right to get paid whatever the Giants are willing to pay him, but I don't think he's the best example of the "life is short in the NFL gotta make money while you can" argument.
Does that number include endorsements? just curious
nope
Fun fact. This year Eli will pass his brother as the player paid the most money in his career