Dave-Te Podcast-Preparing for the Combine

Sorry to all that left questions for me that I did not answer. Moving to the high mountains in Northern Arizona has been an adventure and all internet service was down for two weeks due to 55-inches of snow. Today, we just got 21 more & Las Vegas got six inches. Global Warming? I'm freezing my butt off! Back on line, so any Q&As can be left here-thanks
Dave-Te

I agree with Collins and Beckham. However, this is the second podcast you have talked about the Giants and Haskins. It really doesn't seem like the Giants are seriously considering him yet based on a couple of things. Do you really think he is a legit possibility at 6 or is it kore likely we lean toward one of these defensive players? QBs always get overdrafted it seems. I can see Murray (I agree with you about him) and Haskins going before the Giants pick.

Unless something crazy like Quinnen Williams sliding to them at #6, I say they go the Haskins route. Do not bite on the Russell Wilson talk- not going to happen. Besides, his wife records in LA, not NYC. On top of it, SEA will only franchise him-no way Paul Allen estate lets him leave, but it will cost 35 per on 6 to keep him.
Williams is my top guy - period - even over Bosa. The big thing for Haskins is not going to be on Lucas Oil Field, but in the interview room Feb 27/28 - just what makes him tick. I've been around the Buckeyes program for years (check out WR sleeper Johnnie Dixon III there) & this kid has the IT factor. My only concern is his mysterious struggles in the red zone. The Buckeyes, with all that firepower ranked 115th of 129 FBS schools in that area.
Another reason I say they go for a QB now is to get him acclimated. Sure, they can wait a year & go for Herbert in 2020, but if that happens, everyone is fired before the 2020 draft for yet another bad year. Besides, Haskins trumps Herbert any day of the week.
Daniel Jones? Doubt he's there when GIA comes up in round 2 (top NE target in 1 if they do not trade up to try & draft Iowa's TE TJ Hockenson).
I know it might sound like a broken record linking Haskins with the GIA, but look at Prince Charming & Cinderella - the shoe fit perfectly.
With Barkley mature beyond his years, Haskins is cut from the same cloth & I bet you some really great, yet crazy WR smiles a lot with Haskins tossing him the ball.

Take this to the bank-if GIA do not tag Collins, the Saints are ready to pounce on him. Honestly? I'd prefer CHI's Adrian Amos-most underrated DB in FA

That the Giants are taking their shot this year with Eli and the Giants want a guy that can help this year at 6 (not saying they wouldn't take Haskins just that it seemed as of now they were leaning toward another player or players)it was also said they like next year's QB crop and Fromm was the name that was brought up. Also, they said Beckham was most likely going to be traded next year as they don't want him around a young QB.

I'm not saying I agree with all of this but if the Giants wanted to they could use Beckham to trade up in next year's draft to get their QB.

So, how do you think Haskins would rank against someone like Fromm? Thanks.

In comment 14302753 nflscouting said:

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Take this to the bank-if GIA do not tag Collins, the Saints are ready to pounce on him. Honestly? I'd prefer CHI's Adrian Amos-most underrated DB in FA

Well, the Apple/Collins reunion would be worth the price of admission.

In comment 14302753 nflscouting said:

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Take this to the bank-if GIA do not tag Collins, the Saints are ready to pounce on him. Honestly? I'd prefer CHI's Adrian Amos-most underrated DB in FA

Collins wpuld be a good fit in NO. I am on the side of it doesn't make sense to keep Collins at a big number for many reasons and one of which is we have so many holes on defense to fill that it just isnt a fit here. NO has a lot of pieces in place on that defense. It makes sense.

Always enjoy your take Dave-Te! I’d love to hear your opinion on Simmons and how far you think he’ll fall in the draft.

Thanks for the info always appreciated

Question regarding Haskins mobility - I've read that he has very little to no mobility, but I've seen him keep the ball and run with it on a few occasions and it seemed he could do it adequately, not just a statue.

2 questions:

1. Do you consider him immobile?

2. How important will his workout numbers be to show athleticism?


Thanks in advance - looking forward to your take.

think Haskins is gone by #6, and the Giants don't trade up for him.

Is there any thinking he may be on the hot seat in 2019? Thanks.

stuff. Thanks.

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When Mahomes came out, I said this kid was IT. I say the same thing about Haskins & my top QB since Elway is Clemson's Lawrence. Hey, if they pass on Haskins, I'm sure their old boss Coughlin will send them a bouquet.

Thanks Dave-Te for the podcast and answers to our questions.

Well, if Chucky does not go crazy & locks Mayock in the closet, I expect the Raiders to pop on Simmons late round one. As for you GIA fans, let me toss a Day 2 guy out there I say will be like Indy's Leonard - New Mexico State's Terrill Hanks-a brick with lips.
Want a real nice Day 3 rush end/WOLB for Big Blue-look at Bama unknown Christian Miller

Well, I'm more concerned about Haskins in the red zone, as OSU placed 115th in that category this year. As for his mobility? He clocked at 4.59 last April. He's not going to pull any Kyler Murray second gear moves, but he throws on the move pretty well

I think I want to hear what he has to say in interviews & place more importance on that. If a team is going to walk out on him for one day in underwear in Indy, well, they might not want the guy. Right now, Miami & JAX are talking with OAK for the #4 pick, to get Haskins. JAX wants him even if they sign Foles. As Billy Murray would say in stripes - & that's the fact, jack

I think Shurmur & DG are in trouble if we have another season like 2018, don't you agree. They'd be getting out of town faster than Thelma & Louise.

Hey TERPS-free Ty Johnson NOW! Dude did not get a combine invite-my take? He does Phil Lindsay as a FA

Doubt Big Blue franchises or tags him as it comes with a 12.4 mil price tag. Do a little homework on Adrian Amos & at the Senior Bowl, that Blue Hen-Nasir Adderley really caught GIA's eyes

Dave...

Just for kicks - I actually had an argument here today with another poster who claimed that Haskins would have been the 6th QB off the board in the 2018 class.

Their assertion is that he'd have gone after ALL of Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Allen, and Jackson. This assumes all of them are as they were/are going into their respective drafts. So, pretend we still know nothing about what any of the rookie QB's did this year.

If Haskins had the season he just had last year instead, where would he have gone in last year's draft?

My take was that Mayfield and Darnold may be better prospects - but I am not sold on Josh Allen at all and still think Jackson has a long, LONG ways to go as a passer. I'm not sure where Haskins would rank vs. Rosen - but I am pretty confident that Haskins, coming off the year he just had, would have been probably the 3rd or 4th QB taken.

Thoughts?

In comment 14302824 arcarsenal said:

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Dave... Just for kicks - I actually had an argument here today with another poster who claimed that Haskins would have been the 6th QB off the board in the 2018 class. Their assertion is that he'd have gone after ALL of Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Allen, and Jackson. This assumes all of them are as they were/are going into their respective drafts. So, pretend we still know nothing about what any of the rookie QB's did this year. If Haskins had the season he just had last year instead, where would he have gone in last year's draft? My take was that Mayfield and Darnold may be better prospects - but I am not sold on Josh Allen at all and still think Jackson has a long, LONG ways to go as a passer. I'm not sure where Haskins would rank vs. Rosen - but I am pretty confident that Haskins, coming off the year he just had, would have been probably the 3rd or 4th QB taken. Thoughts?

I agree with you. I think Haskins would have been the 3rd or 4th QB taken. He would have been taken after Mayfield and Darnold but definitely before Jackson.

I've never seen the Giants called GIA

the Giants being dumb enough to take Haskins at #6 over Jones as their QB of the future.


I also see years of QB hell ahead afterwards.

In comment 14302906 NoGainDayne said:

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I've never seen the Giants called GIA

Lol I was thinking the same thing. I guess NYG is too hard to decipher for some.

In comment 14302818 nflscouting said:

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I think Shurmur & DG are in trouble if we have another season like 2018, don't you agree. They'd be getting out of town faster than Thelma & Louise. Hey TERPS-free Ty Johnson NOW! Dude did not get a combine invite-my take? He does Phil Lindsay as a FA

Unless they completely fall flat (2 wins or less), they are not in trouble. And if they do get those 2 or less wins, that likely puts them in place for Tua or Fromm or Herbert. This team was beyond a wreck when they took over. It is going to take over two seasons to straighten it out. They may not get that replacement QB this year. With little CAP room money ($32 mill) they won't get much in FA - hopefully a real RT and maybe a C - absolutely must fix that right side of the line.
So no, I doubt DG and PS are in trouble next year.

But you say something that sounds counterintuitive.

If Shumur and DG have another lousy season, they will be gone AND drafting Haskins.....as I suspect, none of us think that Haskin will improve results next year. Right?

Do if Shumur and DG must show better results....they will draft someone who wil make an immediate impact. No?

Please explain?......and thanks again for everything

to build the roster that is counter to Jerry's football philosophy. It will take time. Shurmur, while the record doesn't reflect the effort, he has the team out there competing. The problem is that the player's talent is limited. The only way Pat is shown the door is if the team quits on him. He will have his chance with a new QB either drafted this year or next.

In comment 14302956 Diver_Down said:

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to build the roster that is counter to Jerry's football philosophy. It will take time. Shurmur, while the record doesn't reflect the effort, he has the team out there competing. The problem is that the player's talent is limited. The only way Pat is shown the door is if the team quits on him. He will have his chance with a new QB either drafted this year or next.

I’m very interested to figure out where this comes from. Let’s say they go 6-10 this season after passing on a QB in the top two rounds of this draft, and they draft 15th overall next year. It’s unlikely they will be able to get into range to draft Tua or Fromm or Herbert. Possible if one slides (see Rosen), but unlikely. Where does that new QB come from in the 2020 season? We running it back again, hoping Eli is so bad we just hurl into a 1-15 season and get Lawrence? People are just assuming DG and Shurmur will keep getting shots, but even they have to know that’s not necessarily the case. People here think it’s a slam dunk we can just get a QB next year, but none of us know what next year brings. Those QBs can get hurt, stink, or are good enough (and we are just mediocre enough) that the teams at the top will not trade down and allow us to select one. It’s not so simple.

In comment 14303122 Giants38 said:

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In comment 14302956 Diver_Down said: Quote: to build the roster that is counter to Jerry's football philosophy. It will take time. Shurmur, while the record doesn't reflect the effort, he has the team out there competing. The problem is that the player's talent is limited. The only way Pat is shown the door is if the team quits on him. He will have his chance with a new QB either drafted this year or next. I’m very interested to figure out where this comes from. Let’s say they go 6-10 this season after passing on a QB in the top two rounds of this draft, and they draft 15th overall next year. It’s unlikely they will be able to get into range to draft Tua or Fromm or Herbert. Possible if one slides (see Rosen), but unlikely. Where does that new QB come from in the 2020 season? We running it back again, hoping Eli is so bad we just hurl into a 1-15 season and get Lawrence? People are just assuming DG and Shurmur will keep getting shots, but even they have to know that’s not necessarily the case. People here think it’s a slam dunk we can just get a QB next year, but none of us know what next year brings. Those QBs can get hurt, stink, or are good enough (and we are just mediocre enough) that the teams at the top will not trade down and allow us to select one. It’s not so simple.

I have said it numerous times. Dave will trade up to be in position to get his guy. Some will whine about the draft collateral to do so. I suspect that OBJ and draft picks will be ample collateral to do so. Having to eat $12M to trade OBJ in order to get our franchise QB is a cheap deal. If we have to package picks to move up, I'm fine with it.

Now, the debate can be whether to pick a player like Haskins who for arguments sake is rated at 85 or whether to pick a player like Tua/Fromm who are rated at 90. Does the extra cost to get the better player worth it?

I'm a big Mayfield guy-love his moxie & Darnold has that consistency factor, but if Haskins was there, I'd assume Buffalo would not hesitate to take him. Despite recent denials, AZ is looking into the Rosen pick. No, I doubt they trade him this year, but living close to their complex, talking with FO people, the Cards still want to get Murray under the microscope. If they what some expect them to do - something stupid - they could have another Troy Aikman/Steve Walsh uncomfortable moment. Jackson? Watch him flame out - too much RGIII in his brain

Do you really think they are drafting a young QB to start, or take the Andy Reid route & do like they did with Mahomes. Here's the thing-if I am 20 mil-plus in on Eli, let him take lumps. If they fall flat on their face, Haskins sees the issues, knows with a new coach & FO in 2020 that he will be tossed into the fray. You take Haskins, you sit your first rounder, well, at least until someone realizes Eli is not going to get the job done

Thanks, Dave! Appreciate the time.

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In comment 14303122 Giants38 said: Quote: In comment 14302956 Diver_Down said: Quote: to build the roster that is counter to Jerry's football philosophy. It will take time. Shurmur, while the record doesn't reflect the effort, he has the team out there competing. The problem is that the player's talent is limited. The only way Pat is shown the door is if the team quits on him. He will have his chance with a new QB either drafted this year or next. I’m very interested to figure out where this comes from. Let’s say they go 6-10 this season after passing on a QB in the top two rounds of this draft, and they draft 15th overall next year. It’s unlikely they will be able to get into range to draft Tua or Fromm or Herbert. Possible if one slides (see Rosen), but unlikely. Where does that new QB come from in the 2020 season? We running it back again, hoping Eli is so bad we just hurl into a 1-15 season and get Lawrence? People are just assuming DG and Shurmur will keep getting shots, but even they have to know that’s not necessarily the case. People here think it’s a slam dunk we can just get a QB next year, but none of us know what next year brings. Those QBs can get hurt, stink, or are good enough (and we are just mediocre enough) that the teams at the top will not trade down and allow us to select one. It’s not so simple. I have said it numerous times. Dave will trade up to be in position to get his guy. Some will whine about the draft collateral to do so. I suspect that OBJ and draft picks will be ample collateral to do so. Having to eat $12M to trade OBJ in order to get our franchise QB is a cheap deal. If we have to package picks to move up, I'm fine with it. Now, the debate can be whether to pick a player like Haskins who for arguments sake is rated at 85 or whether to pick a player like Tua/Fromm who are rated at 90. Does the extra cost to get the better player worth it?

It seems insane to me to trade OBJ to move up to get a QB, when he is precisely the type of talent you need for a young QB to be successful. Unless you don’t think he is a personality fit. Either way, of teams at the top of the draft need a QB, why would they move out of those picks? You are making assumptions next year that are dangerous. DG can do what he wants, but he can easily be left in the cold next year, and assuming otherwise could put this franchise in serious jeopardy.

The draft cracks me up. I am as bad as the next guy! Think about it......If they are thinking of QB the worse thing they could do is broadcast it. Everyone wants to know what they are doing then they scream when someone leaps over the Giants to draft what we thought was their target. Personally, I am just as interested in what they do with the 3-4th round and 3 5th round. I want to see how they use all those mid round picks. It could give them a core that helps them get out of cap hell! We need backup WRs, safeties, RT and OL depth. That can be found in the later rounds. Thoughts DaveT?????

LUV YA! I am one that says a great draft is what happens on Day 3.
I just posted a highlight tape on a sleeper OG that the Giants like, Wes Martin #76-Indiana
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob8iosklYfI&feature=youtu.be

At WR, one guy that has captured my attention as a Day 3 guy is Haskins' favorite TD target-Johnnie Dixon III. At CB, they were the ones that pushed for South Dakota State Jordan Brown to be in Mobile. At LB/Rush end, I am a big Christian Miller-ALA fan, but if they want a guy like Indy's Leonard, check out Terrill Hanks-New Mexico State, but they might not see him there if DG waits until round 3 for him. One other guy I like as a Day 3 find is Wisconsin's Andrew Van Ginkel, who started his career as a DE before transferring to the Badgers

to the nitpickers, if I pronounce something wrong, big deal - if I write GIA instead of NYG, who am I hurting?

It actually just took me a minute to realize that you were referring to the Giants with the "GIA" thing - it didn't bug me at all, I just didn't know that's what that was at first. Not sure I've ever seen it like that. :)

I have been following the draft since the days of Homer Jones. Love the 3rd day.....The legion of boom....1 high pick, the rest mid. I remember Bill Walsh redoing the 49ers secondary with Lott and then in the mid to low rounds. How many times do you see high priced FA OL signing and you look and say....wow, the guy was a 6th, 7th or UDFA. Love the Wes Martin, guard from Indiana, that could end up a David Diehl type pick. I don't know if they are going to resign Brown (would the money be better spent at RT?????) but more depth is necessary. The line played better at the end but they were one injury away from being back to "real bad." I have sent tweets to Brown and got responses...he seems like a great kid, does a lot for charity! I told him I've been teaching 41 years and he is a great role model! Miller from Alabama got overlooked but he made a lot of plays...thanks! Good Stuff!

Geez, I thought I was ancient. Homer was my measuring stick for WRs for years! Ole #45, what a helluva 1967 season with those 13 TDs & always a class act off the field

#88 Aaron Thomas, 40 Joe Morrison and 43 Spider Lockart. Before the Pats the GIA were the NE feed. good times but a bad football team. I remember the blimp! when I heard that Sean McVay said the Rams were going to embarrass the Giants (and they did) I thought that was payback for the GIA fans embarrassing his grandfather by flying a blimp over the stadium. could be wrong but that was my thoughts.

In comment 14302824 arcarsenal said:

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Dave... Just for kicks - I actually had an argument here today with another poster who claimed that Haskins would have been the 6th QB off the board in the 2018 class. Their assertion is that he'd have gone after ALL of Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Allen, and Jackson. This assumes all of them are as they were/are going into their respective drafts. So, pretend we still know nothing about what any of the rookie QB's did this year. If Haskins had the season he just had last year instead, where would he have gone in last year's draft? My take was that Mayfield and Darnold may be better prospects - but I am not sold on Josh Allen at all and still think Jackson has a long, LONG ways to go as a passer. I'm not sure where Haskins would rank vs. Rosen - but I am pretty confident that Haskins, coming off the year he just had, would have been probably the 3rd or 4th QB taken. Thoughts?

Just curious about your thoughts on Josh Allen .
I thought he would be a great pick or Ferrell at #6
if say Haskins doesn't fall .