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GMAN4LIFE : 2/22/2019 9:04 am
Ok so lately i have been losing sleep slowly and slowly. For awhile i would sleep at 10am and wake up at 4 am. Then lately it was 10 am to 3am. Now its til 2:30am. Unsure what gives.

Now i did a sleep study and it isnt that. The only meds i take is lexapro 10mgs before bed. One day i took melatonin but the next day i felt like a zombie through the day.

I dont have trouble going to sleep its staying the sleep is the issue.

I will see the doc for my physical next friday and i will ask him if maybe its the lexapro. But in the meantime, was wondering if anyone had any suggestions here.
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Alcohol,  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/22/2019 9:05 am : link
Haha.
10am  
pjcas18 : 2/22/2019 9:07 am : link
to 4am is a ton of sleep for a newborn baby.

how much sleep do you want?

...  
WhoCares : 2/22/2019 9:08 am : link
take magnesium pills and spray (right before you sleep). You will sleep deeper and will not affect you in the morning.
Do you have Sleep Apnea  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/22/2019 9:08 am : link
Also, sounds like your stressing about going to sleep. Try doing a light run when you get home from work. That could release some stress.
I would assume 10 AM  
dep026 : 2/22/2019 9:10 am : link
is suppose to be 10 PM?
RE: I would assume 10 AM  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/22/2019 9:19 am : link
In comment 14303026 dep026 said:
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is suppose to be 10 PM?


fuck... yes its 10pm. damn i wish i could edit

RE: Do you have Sleep Apnea  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/22/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14303023 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Also, sounds like your stressing about going to sleep. Try doing a light run when you get home from work. That could release some stress.


nope. i got tested and no sleep apnea
RE: 10am  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/22/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14303019 pjcas18 said:
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to 4am is a ton of sleep for a newborn baby.

how much sleep do you want?


damn it... i meant 10pm. sorry. i wish i could edit that
weed  
pjcas18 : 2/22/2019 9:23 am : link
is a possibility, if you live in a state where recreational weed is legal.
RE: ...  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/22/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14303021 WhoCares said:
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take magnesium pills and spray (right before you sleep). You will sleep deeper and will not affect you in the morning.


spray?
Meditate before bed  
02/03/2008 : 2/22/2019 9:28 am : link
Download Insight Timer
RE: RE: ...  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2019 9:31 am : link
In comment 14303051 GMAN4LIFE said:
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In comment 14303021 WhoCares said:


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take magnesium pills and spray (right before you sleep). You will sleep deeper and will not affect you in the morning.



spray?


Magnesium is better absorbed through your skin. You spray it on your body (usually your feet). Be careful though because it can sting in certain areas. If you ingest magnesium your body doesn't always absorb it and can cause diarrhea.
CBD  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2019 9:36 am : link
and I’m not joking. For the last few years I’ve been sleeping from about 10:30pm - 2:30am, wide awake, watch some TV, fall back asleep from 4:30am-6am. It sucked. Didn’t want to take prescriptions or anything and finally gave some CBD a shot (also heard it’s good for joint pain).

After 3 weeks on dramatically improved sleep and less morning joint stiffness and pain, I can say that CBD works. Make sure it’s CO2 extracted and give it a try. I take a 10mg gummies about 45 minutes before I want to fall asleep.
RE: CBD  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/22/2019 9:38 am : link
In comment 14303079 UConn4523 said:
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and I’m not joking. For the last few years I’ve been sleeping from about 10:30pm - 2:30am, wide awake, watch some TV, fall back asleep from 4:30am-6am. It sucked. Didn’t want to take prescriptions or anything and finally gave some CBD a shot (also heard it’s good for joint pain).

After 3 weeks on dramatically improved sleep and less morning joint stiffness and pain, I can say that CBD works. Make sure it’s CO2 extracted and give it a try. I take a 10mg gummies about 45 minutes before I want to fall asleep.


i heard about this. Which brand do you suggest? because your sleep situation was exactly mine.
This is what I have  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2019 9:43 am : link
putting another order in tonight.
CBD - ( New Window )
RE: This is what I have  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/22/2019 9:45 am : link
In comment 14303093 UConn4523 said:
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putting another order in tonight. CBD - ( New Window )


thats literally all you take? one of the gummies 45 minutes before you want to go to sleep?
yup.  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2019 9:53 am : link
my wife had some knee pain and I told her to take one before bed. She's about 60 pounds lighter so it hit her a bit more than it does me, she slept like a baby, decreased her knee pain a bit so she wasn't aching in bed.

Dosage is definitely subjecting. I'm 160ish and 10mg has been fine for me so far. I may need more down the line and if that happens i'll look into the drops which are more concentrated but for my first go around the gummies have been awesome.
Melatonin  
CromartiesKid21 : 2/22/2019 9:53 am : link
helps, its cheap and over the counter
subjective  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2019 9:53 am : link
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RE: Melatonin  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/22/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14303107 CromartiesKid21 said:
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helps, its cheap and over the counter



tried that but felt like shit the next day. it was one of those timed released ones. 3mgs
CBD can also be taken for anxiety  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2019 9:55 am : link
so i've had that added benefit too. I find myself not worry about things as much at night (racing thoughts, etc.). Not trying to advertise it as some cure all but trying it out and seeing for yourself has basically no downside other than the initial cost.
Seems like you're able to  
Metnut : 2/22/2019 9:55 am : link
fall asleep fine but you keep waking up early, so screen time and stimulation right before bed doesn't look like an issue.

Try cutting out alcohol after 7-8. Maybe one drink max. Alcohol can help you fall asleep/pass out but the sugar is going to make you wake up at some point during the night.

Are you exercising regularly? If not, give it a shot. Regular exercise is proven to improve sleep duration for a significant proportion of people.

Also,  
Metnut : 2/22/2019 9:56 am : link
how is your room temperature? A hotter room might lead to you waking up prematurely. Do you like mattress (ever wake up with back pain?) A bad mattress could also cause you to wake up earlier than you want.
I  
BIG FRED 1973 : 2/22/2019 9:58 am : link
Used to have problems falling asleep then I started taking Vitacraves Metatolin and it actually worked so I have been taking it for a few years ,They carry them in Walmart and Target .i thought I would wake up groggy but I don’t .I think with metatolin some are stronger than others but I would give the vitacraves gummies a try .I also tried the Olly brand that I found in target when I ran out of vitacraves and those are good too .I actually just bought some CBD from a company called JUSTCBD that they sell in my gym .I have not tried it yet

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arcarsenal : 2/22/2019 10:05 am : link
CBD gummies. Pure Potent makes night time gummies infused with melatonin as well as regular gummies for daily use. I think they're great. No mind altering effects since there's no THC, no side effects, not dangerous. Start with a smaller dose and work up.

I take 125mg at a time - but I have a pretty high tolerance.
125mg?  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2019 10:11 am : link
damn, what's that cost per gummie? That's like 1/3 of my $50 bottle.
i took a look at that site  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2019 10:14 am : link
the 125mg pack is five 25mg gummies, that sounds like what you are taking, no? That would make more sense to me, taking over 12x my dosage seems crazy.
So there are some researchers that believe 2 separate periods of sleep  
Scyber : 2/22/2019 10:23 am : link
is actually more natural. There are many historical references to "2nd sleep" and other things from pre-industrial times. So it may be better not to fight it.

Obviously, with all research I bet someone will refute this next year, but I thought it was interesting.
https://www.sciencealert.com/humans-used-to-sleep-in-two-shifts-maybe-we-should-again - ( New Window )
Wikipedia reference  
Scyber : 2/22/2019 10:25 am : link
Which mentions the same research in the article above.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biphasic_and_polyphasic_sleep - ( New Window )
RE: .  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/22/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14303125 arcarsenal said:
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CBD gummies. Pure Potent makes night time gummies infused with melatonin as well as regular gummies for daily use. I think they're great. No mind altering effects since there's no THC, no side effects, not dangerous. Start with a smaller dose and work up.

I take 125mg at a time - but I have a pretty high tolerance.


how many gummies do you take at night? how's your sleeping after that?
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arcarsenal : 2/22/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14303172 GMAN4LIFE said:
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In comment 14303125 arcarsenal said:


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CBD gummies. Pure Potent makes night time gummies infused with melatonin as well as regular gummies for daily use. I think they're great. No mind altering effects since there's no THC, no side effects, not dangerous. Start with a smaller dose and work up.

I take 125mg at a time - but I have a pretty high tolerance.



how many gummies do you take at night? how's your sleeping after that?


I usually just take one about 30-45 minutes before bed. The melatonin ones only have like 2.5mg - so it shouldn't make you super groggy. You can also just take the ones without melatonin - they should still help you relax a bit and get more restful sleep.
RE: yup.  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/22/2019 10:46 am : link
In comment 14303106 UConn4523 said:
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my wife had some knee pain and I told her to take one before bed. She's about 60 pounds lighter so it hit her a bit more than it does me, she slept like a baby, decreased her knee pain a bit so she wasn't aching in bed.

Dosage is definitely subjecting. I'm 160ish and 10mg has been fine for me so far. I may need more down the line and if that happens i'll look into the drops which are more concentrated but for my first go around the gummies have been awesome.



how was your sleep after the CBD? as in hours?
good question, should have included that  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2019 10:49 am : link
I've been gaming a bit more the past couple weeks so i've been staying up until 11/1130 but I'll seel straight to 6am most nights. I had the flu this week so I haven't taken it much so my sleep this week has been horrible.

But late Jan/early Feb I was sleeping straight from 10:30/11pm-6/6:30am. Every once in a while the 3 year old will wake me up and ruin it, but that's no the CBD's fault.
RE: good question, should have included that  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/22/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14303195 UConn4523 said:
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I've been gaming a bit more the past couple weeks so i've been staying up until 11/1130 but I'll seel straight to 6am most nights. I had the flu this week so I haven't taken it much so my sleep this week has been horrible.

But late Jan/early Feb I was sleeping straight from 10:30/11pm-6/6:30am. Every once in a while the 3 year old will wake me up and ruin it, but that's no the CBD's fault.



took the plunge. just bought the same one you recommended. Obviously it doesnt work instantly correct? it took you 3 weeks?
UCONN  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/22/2019 11:09 am : link
you think the CBD would be good for back pain as well?
masturbation  
gtt350 : 2/22/2019 11:10 am : link
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RE: UCONN  
arcarsenal : 2/22/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14303231 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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you think the CBD would be good for back pain as well?


Definitely try it - one of my best friends has a really bad shoulder and he has constant pain that he deals with. He has to go for therapy regularly - does acupuncture, the whole 9.

He said the CBD made a big difference and helped big time. A lot less pain.

It can't hurt. CBD is very safe - not dangerous or mind altering at all. If you start small and work up to a dose that you think works for you, you'll have no ill-effects at all.

It's really the dosing that hasn't been figured out yet - it's kind of all over the map. You can get stuff like a spray that is literally 1mg - basically nothing. Or drops that are 5mg.... softgels that are 15... gummies that are 125.... 750....

You can't "OD" but the effects can become reversed if you start to take too much and it will actually become less effective, I believe. So, again - I would start with like 5-10mg and just gradually work upwards a bit until you hit the sweet spot for you.
Yes  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2019 11:28 am : link
Absolutely. I actually started taking it because my hisc herniation pain krept back up in the cold weather and wanted something for my sciatica. It just so happens that I slept like shit too so I got benefits of both out of it.

Its diminished my sciatica to where I hardly notice it and I sleep better when taking. For $50 per month its a no brainer for me. No more advil, don't need pain killers, sleep better, less cranky, etc.
RE: Yes  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/22/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14303269 UConn4523 said:
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Absolutely. I actually started taking it because my hisc herniation pain krept back up in the cold weather and wanted something for my sciatica. It just so happens that I slept like shit too so I got benefits of both out of it.

Its diminished my sciatica to where I hardly notice it and I sleep better when taking. For $50 per month its a no brainer for me. No more advil, don't need pain killers, sleep better, less cranky, etc.


How fast do you see the benefits on the pain side. My back has been terrible for about a year. I get adjustments do PT, it just keeps coming back.
you'll know within a couple days if its working  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2019 11:38 am : link
for me, my first gummie my body felt super relaxed, a sensation i've never had before. Since then I don't feel anything per-say, but I notice that it still controls pain and the sleeping has been steady.

Mess around with the dosage, start small and go up. You can't hurt yourself on it, just don't take the whole thing, haha.
RE: So there are some researchers that believe 2 separate periods of sleep  
jdf : 2/22/2019 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14303150 Scyber said:
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is actually more natural. There are many historical references to "2nd sleep" and other things from pre-industrial times. So it may be better not to fight it.

Obviously, with all research I bet someone will refute this next year, but I thought it was interesting. https://www.sciencealert.com/humans-used-to-sleep-in-two-shifts-maybe-we-should-again - ( New Window )


I have the same problem, and I know a lot of other people do, as well. The more I look into it, the more I agree this is just a natural part of our evolution as we grow older. Some speculate that this sleep pattern had evolutionary advantages back when it was necessary to keep guard from predators during night time.

I have learned to live with it, adjusting my sleep schedule as necessary, for instance by going to sleep earlier. It is very important to get that 2nd sleep as that is what really lets you feel refreshed afterwards. But getting back to sleep is often difficult for me and can take many hours. Many of the things that help have already been mentioned, including melatonin, reading a book (not looking at a screen), and I sometimes have a very light snack, as I find the process of digestion can make me drowsy.
Interesting and timely discussion (for me)  
LG in NYC : 2/22/2019 2:21 pm : link
as I have been having this issue for a while now... not as bad as some on here have described.

I can fall asleep fine... but I usually wake up at least once during the night (sometimes for the bathroom, but not always) and it is falling back asleep that is the issue.

and once I have a problem one night, I am in my own head for the subsequent nights.

when I really need to log sleep, I will take an OTC sleeping pill which works great... but I don't want to rely on that... so I started melatonin about 2-3 months ago. It works but the one I am using now isn't as effective as the previous one I used (or I need to up my dosage).

either way, it sucks and is making the days harder b/c I am exhausted most of the time.
order the CBD gummies as was said here.  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/22/2019 3:14 pm : link
hopefully they do the trick
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arcarsenal : 2/22/2019 3:16 pm : link
Also - I cannot recommend the Calm app enough if you have difficulty falling asleep. Headspace is probably just as good - I've just never used it.

The Calm app is just a really great resource to have, though. It has tons of guided meditations for help with sleep, sleep stories for adults, and even just relaxing background sound, etc.

It's like $79.99 to be able to utilize all of it - but for me, it has been super worth it.

There's a free version where you can try all of the features too, though. So, you'll know if it helps or not before making any sort of commitment. I personally think it's great and that the way they update it daily with new content makes it so it will never get stale or to a point where I've covered everything and have nothing left to try/listen to.
If you take Lexapro before bed  
Knineteen : 2/22/2019 3:41 pm : link
try taking it in the morning instead.

I'll seldom have sleep problems, but they always seem to resolve on their own. Unless you have something physically wrong, like an airway obstruction, I don't think there is anything radical a doctor can do to help other than recommend the usual "good sleep" habits.
sleep questions  
Tom in Kzoo : 2/22/2019 8:05 pm : link
1. Age; as we age we need less sleep,at least >70-75. Not uncommon for elderly to sleep less, 4-6 hrs/night. Quality >quantity matters, so..
2. Do you feel refreshed when you wake/ See # 1..
3. If not, insomnia commonly broken down by:

A.Early: difficulty getting to sleep, say lay down at 11, fall asleep at 1:30: This is typically 2 anxiety, or poor sleep hygiene.
B.Middle: Fall asleep, but awake 1-4, typically 2 anxiety, masking ETOH/drugs that give early sleep, but rebound insomnia
C. Late insomnia: Fall asleep,but wake at 3-5,can't get back to sleep: often 2 age, or etoh abuse, occ benzodiazepine abuse.

Obstructive sleep apnea(OSA), Gastroesophageal reflux(GERD), depression can all impact any of above.

Good luck!
just be thankful for  
Bill in UT : 2/22/2019 8:12 pm : link
the internet and cable TV. Used to be when you got up at 2am all you could do was stare at a test pattern
A few things of note RE: SSRIs  
Festina Lente : 2/23/2019 3:13 am : link

I imagine you are taking escitalopram for MDD/anxiety.
1) Many people with mood disorders have a history of sleep disturbamces. I am not sure when you began medical therapy but if was relatively recent (e.g. <6 weeks) then this may still be a manifestation of your underlying pathology.
2) More often than not, SSRI's actually improve these sleep disturbances because they help to treat the underlying depression that is inducing it
3) Some SSRIs (especially Prozac) and most newer age SNRIs are "Activating" meaning they have more stimulatory effects and are therefore frequently taken in the morning rather than at night to avoid sleep related adverse effects.
4) Escitalopram is not particularly activating drug but it may have an effect on your sleep so speak to your MD and ask him about his thoughts on changing time of administration to morning.

LAstly, as others have mentioned sleep hygiene is absolutely important in maintaing normal sleep habits (you can look up specific advice online such as maintaing using bed only for sex/sleep, minimizing noise/light pollution, keeping regular cycle etc).
Moot back on the gummie train lastnight  
UConn4523 : 2/23/2019 7:02 am : link
slept from 11:30pm - 6:30am.
Got back  
UConn4523 : 2/23/2019 7:03 am : link
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