but rub and tugs (and prostitution) should be legal. Why shouldn't someone be allowed to end a full body massage with an orgasm?
It's like marijuana. Who is being harmed? It's the illegality of it that leads to black market and exploitative conditions.
Also, he's nearly 80 years old and a billionaire. I doubt any young woman that touches his dick is doing it without thinking of the benefits that come with it.
but rub and tugs (and prostitution) should be legal. Why shouldn't someone be allowed to end a full body massage with an orgasm?
It's like marijuana. Who is being harmed? It's the illegality of it that leads to black market and exploitative conditions.
Also, he's nearly 80 years old and a billionaire. I doubt any young woman that touches his dick is doing it without thinking of the benefits that come with it.
If this case involves trafficking then it is a big deal. Traffickers are scum
It's not human trafficking in the way that Jeffrey Epstein arranged to bring in underage girls from other countries for the purposes of sex.
It's trafficking in the way that all massage parlors that offer happy endings deal in trafficking. Kraft had nothing to do with that part of it. He just showed up for a massage and put a little extra money on the dresser.
most of these women have been trafficked and subjected to horror and exploitation. It's not often a career choice made with free will. When you partake, you are directly supporting its continued existence.
but rub and tugs (and prostitution) should be legal. Why shouldn't someone be allowed to end a full body massage with an orgasm?
It's like marijuana. Who is being harmed? It's the illegality of it that leads to black market and exploitative conditions.
Also, he's nearly 80 years old and a billionaire. I doubt any young woman that touches his dick is doing it without thinking of the benefits that come with it.
It doesn't appear to be young women. CNN is reporting that the establishments are gay.
but rub and tugs (and prostitution) should be legal. Why shouldn't someone be allowed to end a full body massage with an orgasm?
It's like marijuana. Who is being harmed? It's the illegality of it that leads to black market and exploitative conditions.
Also, he's nearly 80 years old and a billionaire. I doubt any young woman that touches his dick is doing it without thinking of the benefits that come with it.
The problem is with the human trafficking aspect of it. A lot of these women in those who establishments aren’t doing this because they want to.
people involved were lured into job with promise of legitimate employment. once there, could not leave. could not speak English.
Vast majority of women involved in it got there through sex abuse, substance abuse, mental illness. so they are not, per se, willing participants - big difference between that and someone voluntarily lighting up a joint.
but rub and tugs (and prostitution) should be legal. Why shouldn't someone be allowed to end a full body massage with an orgasm?
It's like marijuana. Who is being harmed? It's the illegality of it that leads to black market and exploitative conditions.
Also, he's nearly 80 years old and a billionaire. I doubt any young woman that touches his dick is doing it without thinking of the benefits that come with it.
It doesn't appear to be young women. CNN is reporting that the establishments are gay.
drug dealers are scum. But a guy who buys a small amount from some dude on a street corner is not usually said to be involved in drug trafficking.
Using the logic being applied on this thread, then you are right. Soliciting a happy ending supports trafficking. Buying recreational marijuana anywhere that it is not legal supports drug cartels and all of their associated crimes.
have had Spygate, Deflategate, and now what massagegate...
I guess going out with a woman about 40 years his junior
wasn't enough for the old fart. Geez, how embarrassing!
the horrors of human trafficking. I've volunteered for clinics that help sex workers who were trapped. It's a brutal life for them. As the article purports, they are offered the promise of America and instead become like indentured servants. They can be abused, they are trapped.
But not every person that frequents these places know what goes on behind the scenes. They only know that there are massage parlors where they can pay a few extra bucks and get a happy ending.
I just think the act itself should be legal.
Also, while there is a world of difference between forced to give a hand job and work on someone's hands and feet, there was a massive NY Times expose on nail salons throughout the country and how its model is sustained on a similar concept of human trafficking where workers are brought to the country on false promises, and then are trapped not knowing the language and often abused. Yet, most people don't wrestle with their morals over whether to get a manicure or pedicure. Many don't even know the struggles those workers face. They just show up for their treatment.
but rub and tugs (and prostitution) should be legal. Why shouldn't someone be allowed to end a full body massage with an orgasm?
It's like marijuana. Who is being harmed? It's the illegality of it that leads to black market and exploitative conditions.
Also, he's nearly 80 years old and a billionaire. I doubt any young woman that touches his dick is doing it without thinking of the benefits that come with it.
It doesn't appear to be young women. CNN is reporting that the establishments are gay.
but rub and tugs (and prostitution) should be legal. Why shouldn't someone be allowed to end a full body massage with an orgasm?
It's like marijuana. Who is being harmed? It's the illegality of it that leads to black market and exploitative conditions.
Also, he's nearly 80 years old and a billionaire. I doubt any young woman that touches his dick is doing it without thinking of the benefits that come with it.
It doesn't appear to be young women. CNN is reporting that the establishments are gay.
Patriots owner Robert Kraft being charged with soliciting prostitution related to what FL police say is a massage parlor where women - who were told they were coming to US for legit jobs - were in fact held as virtual prisoners/sex workers.
Problem is poor and damaged people will always end up being the feeders for that line of work. Legalization would just be institutionalizing them being taken advantage of.
Women, many of them from China, lived at the spa and were not allowed Â
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Thanks, Bob.
And I'm pretty sure nobody on here is making light of trafficking.
I’ve found that a lot of people who are wealthy, are the biggest cheapskates ever. And fucking dumb.
It's like marijuana. Who is being harmed? It's the illegality of it that leads to black market and exploitative conditions.
Also, he's nearly 80 years old and a billionaire. I doubt any young woman that touches his dick is doing it without thinking of the benefits that come with it.
It is a very big deal if human trafficking and/or underage individuals were involved
It's like marijuana. Who is being harmed? It's the illegality of it that leads to black market and exploitative conditions.
Also, he's nearly 80 years old and a billionaire. I doubt any young woman that touches his dick is doing it without thinking of the benefits that come with it.
If this case involves trafficking then it is a big deal. Traffickers are scum
It's not human trafficking in the way that Jeffrey Epstein arranged to bring in underage girls from other countries for the purposes of sex.
It's trafficking in the way that all massage parlors that offer happy endings deal in trafficking. Kraft had nothing to do with that part of it. He just showed up for a massage and put a little extra money on the dresser.
They were saying him soliciting a prostitute was not a big deal. That is separate and distinct from saying sex trafficking isn't a big deal.
It's gross.
It's like marijuana. Who is being harmed? It's the illegality of it that leads to black market and exploitative conditions.
Also, he's nearly 80 years old and a billionaire. I doubt any young woman that touches his dick is doing it without thinking of the benefits that come with it.
It doesn't appear to be young women. CNN is reporting that the establishments are gay.
It's like marijuana. Who is being harmed? It's the illegality of it that leads to black market and exploitative conditions.
Also, he's nearly 80 years old and a billionaire. I doubt any young woman that touches his dick is doing it without thinking of the benefits that come with it.
The problem is with the human trafficking aspect of it. A lot of these women in those who establishments aren’t doing this because they want to.
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Saying Kraft's involvement in it isn't a big deal - that's the point I'm making
It is a very big deal if human trafficking and/or underage individuals were involved
And it's a very big deal if he murdered someone. Let's go with what the story actually says instead of what it might eventually say.
Vast majority of women involved in it got there through sex abuse, substance abuse, mental illness. so they are not, per se, willing participants - big difference between that and someone voluntarily lighting up a joint.
But isn't that like saying anyone who smokes marijuana (that they don't grow themselves) helps finance drug cartels?
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but rub and tugs (and prostitution) should be legal. Why shouldn't someone be allowed to end a full body massage with an orgasm?
It's like marijuana. Who is being harmed? It's the illegality of it that leads to black market and exploitative conditions.
Also, he's nearly 80 years old and a billionaire. I doubt any young woman that touches his dick is doing it without thinking of the benefits that come with it.
It doesn't appear to be young women. CNN is reporting that the establishments are gay.
No fucking way! Wow.
Yes, hahahaha
Using the logic being applied on this thread, then you are right. Soliciting a happy ending supports trafficking. Buying recreational marijuana anywhere that it is not legal supports drug cartels and all of their associated crimes.
$57/ a customer - Dought this was a high priced call girl service or a bunch a gold diggers looking for sugar daddies.
it's an assembly line, get'em off, clean up, next customer.
that workforce is generally addicts, women/girls being trafficked or both
I'm surprised this should even constitute a downfall.
It's like marijuana. Who is being harmed?
Puritans everywhere are being harmed.
I guess going out with a woman about 40 years his junior
wasn't enough for the old fart. Geez, how embarrassing!
But not every person that frequents these places know what goes on behind the scenes. They only know that there are massage parlors where they can pay a few extra bucks and get a happy ending.
I just think the act itself should be legal.
Also, while there is a world of difference between forced to give a hand job and work on someone's hands and feet, there was a massive NY Times expose on nail salons throughout the country and how its model is sustained on a similar concept of human trafficking where workers are brought to the country on false promises, and then are trapped not knowing the language and often abused. Yet, most people don't wrestle with their morals over whether to get a manicure or pedicure. Many don't even know the struggles those workers face. They just show up for their treatment.
Yeah, but he gave a big tip.
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but rub and tugs (and prostitution) should be legal. Why shouldn't someone be allowed to end a full body massage with an orgasm?
It's like marijuana. Who is being harmed? It's the illegality of it that leads to black market and exploitative conditions.
Also, he's nearly 80 years old and a billionaire. I doubt any young woman that touches his dick is doing it without thinking of the benefits that come with it.
It doesn't appear to be young women. CNN is reporting that the establishments are gay.
Need a source, I don't see it on CNN
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but rub and tugs (and prostitution) should be legal. Why shouldn't someone be allowed to end a full body massage with an orgasm?
It's like marijuana. Who is being harmed? It's the illegality of it that leads to black market and exploitative conditions.
Also, he's nearly 80 years old and a billionaire. I doubt any young woman that touches his dick is doing it without thinking of the benefits that come with it.
It doesn't appear to be young women. CNN is reporting that the establishments are gay.
Need a source, I don't see it on CNN
It's BS
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It's like marijuana. Who is being harmed?
Puritans everywhere are being harmed.
I noticed Don Nelson agrees, LOL.
As close as they'll get.
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can't even pay the full rate for prostitutes that aren't human trafficing victims? $59? Give me a break. What a POS.
Yeah, but he gave a big tip.
Eh, that’s not what she said.
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Categorical denials are basically admissions.
That's the real scandal. A guy getting a tug job isn't the issue.
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Kraft spokesman "categorically" denies this.
Categorical denials are basically admissions.
“I categorically deny these accusations!”
“Would you like to see the video of you asking the attendant to call it, Lil’ Tommy?”
“....You can speak with my lawyers for any further comment.”
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