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NFT: 2/22 Knicks chat: KP didn't want to play with KD?

bceagle05 : 2/22/2019 4:16 pm
Zach Lowe made some interesting KP comments on his podcast while chatting with Ian Begley:

"I don't think he was psyched about playing with Durant. I don't know how directly that was verbalized to the Knicks, but I'm confident that it wasn't something that was his Plan A. He wanted to be the face of the franchise."

If you remember, the list KP/Janis gave the Knicks was Nets, Clippers, Heat and Raptors. Kawhi is likely going to be a Raptor or Clipper next season, so KP would've been the face of three of those four teams. Obviously Doncic has that title in Dallas, which explains why KP might be hesitant to stay there.

Also, KD mentioned that KP was "in a good place...for him" at All-Star Weekend. Maybe nothing behind that quote, but I suspect KD will happily choose a better, healthier running mate.

Anyway, just a little more smoke surrounding the KD-to-NY fire.
Porzingis was not worth the trouble  
Chris684 : 2/22/2019 4:19 pm : link
not sure how it could become any more clear.

His own opinion of himself is way more inflated than it should be.

Matt Harvey of the Knicks.
Here's a link to further info and the podcast...  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2019 4:20 pm : link
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was just coming to post this  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2019 4:23 pm : link
listening now
RE: Porzingis was not worth the trouble  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14303804 Chris684 said:
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not sure how it could become any more clear.

His own opinion of himself is way more inflated than it should be.

Matt Harvey of the Knicks.


Agreed. Good player but his mental makeup on top of the huge medical concerns made him a must trade, IMO. Just not worth the trouble, the kind of guy you will never please.
Incredible if true.  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2019 4:24 pm : link
Whines about all the losing and bolts before KD gets here.
RE: Incredible if true.  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14303814 bceagle05 said:
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Whines about all the losing and bolts before KD gets here.


remember yahoo had an article saying janis gave a list of players kp wanted to play with..
KP was pretty adamant about not wanting to play center  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/22/2019 4:58 pm : link
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RE: KP was pretty adamant about not wanting to play center  
TommyWiseau : 2/22/2019 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14303858 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Exactly what I was thinking when I saw this thread title. He does not want to play Center and potentially have to bang around with some guys at the position. Guy is a clown, glad we got a nice haul for him. I went from being shocked, to understanding the trade, to being glad we got rid of his sorry ass
I think Knicks and NY press put a different spin on this  
Giant John : 2/22/2019 5:17 pm : link
KP found out Knick’s were shopping him. Confronted Knicks management with a what the hell? You shopping me? If you’re doing that go ahead and trade me. I don’t believe knicks wanted to keep him.
I just think that KP is soft.  
PhiPsi125 : 2/22/2019 5:27 pm : link
And he has an idiot brother that he puts in charge of his career. I’d say that IQ and sound decision making aren’t his forte.
KP is soft  
Earl the goat : 2/22/2019 5:37 pm : link
And will have an injury riddled career
Even better news from Lowe regarding Dolan  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 2/22/2019 5:38 pm : link
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From today’s podcast with Ian Begley. Zach Lowe seems to be confident that at the very least, there is smoke about Dolan courting offers. He mentioned that he was not allowed to report on it but that he has heard “smoke” about Dolan selling the Knicks.

Finally, he said: “Here’s what I think... I think bidders have gotten organized. That doesn’t necessarily mean anything’s happening.”
So doesnt sound like AD would resign in boston  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2019 6:45 pm : link
He basically said all 29 teams are on his list, the top teams on his list he would resign with, boston is on the list somewhere...

so basically they are on the list because all 29 teams are on the list

Dotson with the Knicks' first 11 points.  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2019 7:48 pm : link
I wanna believe in this guy as a future piece...
Now 18 points for Dot.  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2019 7:56 pm : link
5-5 from three. All in the first eight minutes.
RE: Dotson with the Knicks' first 11 points.  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2019 7:57 pm : link
In comment 14303987 bceagle05 said:
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I wanna believe in this guy as a future piece...


Dotson getting a piss test after this game
That's not Dotson.  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2019 7:58 pm : link
That is Harden in a Dotson disguise.
It must be great lighting tonight at MSG  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2019 8:59 pm : link
Rebecca looked good tonight.
I don’t like to buy into every thing we hear or read  
djm : 2/22/2019 9:08 pm : link
But when nearly everyone is saying KP got weird here AND the Knicks did in fact trade him all the while Perry, Fizdale and Mills all seem pretty fucking grounded and stable in running things here the last year, it seems pretty clear that KP and his brother are fucking wind bags. Eventually you have to just believe this shit. There’s too much data.

I’m really surprised by KP in general. Man it’s crazy how something that looked so good can turn so sour so fast. The Harvey comparison is spot on.

Even if there’s just a 1% sliver of truth how the fuck do you not want to play with Kevin Durant. How.
RE: RE: KP was pretty adamant about not wanting to play center  
djm : 2/22/2019 9:13 pm : link
In comment 14303874 TommyWiseau said:
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Exactly what I was thinking when I saw this thread title. He does not want to play Center and potentially have to bang around with some guys at the position. Guy is a clown, glad we got a nice haul for him. I went from being shocked, to understanding the trade, to being glad we got rid of his sorry ass


I’m pretty much in that same boat. I don’t even care if KP turns out to be Bill Russell redux, the guy burned the bridge here not the Knicks. I don’t see how or why Perry and mills would alienate the KP clan. I know the Knicks have this stigma of trying to control the media but that’s just it, the media loves to shit on the Knicks at every turn, and they haven’t here because KP left the Knicks with no choice. Crazy. Dude is hurt and he’s talking all sorts of shit? The fuck is that.
I really hope fizdale is not this big of a moron  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2019 9:15 pm : link
he really has been horrible this year
RE: I really hope fizdale is not this big of a moron  
dep026 : 2/22/2019 9:16 pm : link
In comment 14304044 nygiants16 said:
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he really has been horrible this year


He reminds me of an AAU coach. Talks a good game. Chummy with the boys. X's and O's are not his forte.
RE: RE: I really hope fizdale is not this big of a moron  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2019 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14304045 dep026 said:
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he really has been horrible this year



He reminds me of an AAU coach. Talks a good game. Chummy with the boys. X's and O's are not his forte.


i know the team sucks but some of his decisions are just mind blowingly stupid...

Players love him and the way the league is now you have to have a coach players like but man some shit he does
Listen I am all for the tank  
GMEN46 : 2/22/2019 9:34 pm : link
But I don’t understand how they can lose to this twolves team at home without towns. They are playing all average to mediocre players and killing the Knicks. I think that’s is in Fizdale.
Jenkins is not a NBA player  
GMEN46 : 2/22/2019 9:35 pm : link
Who looks like one of the guys from a Sunday morning local park league
Ryan Saunders  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2019 9:36 pm : link
has the same face twitches his old man had.
hope everyone enjoys mudiay  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2019 9:38 pm : link
because i guarantee he will be starting the rest of the year, this coach loves him him for no reason..

This is the worst  
GMEN46 : 2/22/2019 9:40 pm : link
I have seen them play all season. Fizdale needs to play 9 guys the rest of the year and be done with it.

Starting line up:

Smith Jr
Dotson
Knox
Vonleh
Mitch

Bench
Mudiay
Frank
Trier
Kornet

Let these guys play big minutes and if you lose you lose.
can someone explain  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2019 9:41 pm : link
why smith is not playing?
i am calling it now  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2019 9:48 pm : link
Knicks resign mudiay and he is the starting point guard next year and they trade smith for a 2nd round pick
Andrew Wiggins  
dep026 : 2/22/2019 9:49 pm : link
is an instant run for the other team. Dude is trash.
If we get Kyrie  
GMEN46 : 2/22/2019 9:49 pm : link
Then there is no need for Mudiay or Smith jr. I think trier and frank will go handle the ball on the second unit.
RE: If we get Kyrie  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2019 9:51 pm : link
In comment 14304076 GMEN46 said:
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Then there is no need for Mudiay or Smith jr. I think trier and frank will go handle the ball on the second unit.


fizdale will play mudiay over irving...
6 for 15  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2019 9:53 pm : link
1 assist and fizdale keeps him in over smith who had 7 assists...

Wally got an Emmy nomination?  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2019 9:54 pm : link
Maybe for best eyebrows?
Starting to really worry about Fizdale  
GMEN46 : 2/22/2019 9:58 pm : link
I know that they shouldn’t win but mind boggling rotations
fiz's love affair for mudiay  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2019 9:59 pm : link
is baffling, dude is trash, 16 shots to score 15 points with 1 assist and 4 turnovers is horrinle from a ppint guard, yet he played the entire 2nd half and the guy who had 7 points 7 assists and 4 turnovers sits the entire time...


Kevin Durant stay far far away..
RE: Porzingis was not worth the trouble  
ShocknAwe80 : 2/22/2019 10:25 pm : link
In comment 14303804 Chris684 said:
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not sure how it could become any more clear.

His own opinion of himself is way more inflated than it should be.

Matt Harvey of the Knicks.


^^^^^this^^^^
I really wanted KP to turn into the Star we long for in NY  
mfsd : 2/22/2019 11:16 pm : link
but he sure started acting like a hot shot before really proving himself. He had an MVP caliber 2 months, then got tired and eventually hurt. Onward.
Fizdale  
TyreeHelmet : 2/23/2019 10:46 am : link
Has shown me nothing that proves he’s a good coach. I hope I’m wrong. The only positive is Robinson’s progression. Haven’t really seen any major develoment from any other player.
RE: Fizdale  
Strahan91 : 2/23/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14304238 TyreeHelmet said:
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Has shown me nothing that proves he’s a good coach. I hope I’m wrong. The only positive is Robinson’s progression. Haven’t really seen any major develoment from any other player.

Mudiay and Vonleh don't count? Fizdale's an asset to the Knicks because of how much players around the league like him more so than any coaching ability though tbh.
People want to go all in on the tank  
Mike in NJ : 2/23/2019 10:51 am : link
But then get all over the coach for losing/lineup decisions, can’t have it both ways. The plan is clearly to lose and everything needs to be viewed under that context.
RE: People want to go all in on the tank  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14304246 Mike in NJ said:
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But then get all over the coach for losing/lineup decisions, can’t have it both ways. The plan is clearly to lose and everything needs to be viewed under that context.


Not when the coach says he played mudiay because he thought he had it rolling...

and uf you are trying to lose why was deandre in the game and not robinson?

it should be playing the young guys who are goimg to be here and live with result rather than trying to lose
It’s entirely possible none of these players  
Oscar : 2/23/2019 11:15 am : link
Have any role to play in the Knicks future. First of all it’s not clear any of them are good or will pan out as starters on a competitive team. But even assuming the best for all of them, they could easily just be flipped in a trade for Davis or another star this offseason.

This whole year has been weird. If this was NBA 2K we would have hit the “auto sim remainder of season” point a long time ago. Watching night to night the only compelling thing for me is seeing how DSJ, Knox, Frank and Mitch look and Frank hasn’t played in weeks.

Project two seasons down the road though and it’s entirely possible none of them are around, the whole roster could be different, the coach could be different.

There’s really no point to this season anymore. The next consequential moment in Knicks history is the draft lottery in May.
RE: RE: People want to go all in on the tank  
Mike in NJ : 2/23/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14304248 nygiants16 said:
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But then get all over the coach for losing/lineup decisions, can’t have it both ways. The plan is clearly to lose and everything needs to be viewed under that context.



Not when the coach says he played mudiay because he thought he had it rolling...

and uf you are trying to lose why was deandre in the game and not robinson?

it should be playing the young guys who are goimg to be here and live with result rather than trying to lose


I mean what do you want him to say, “I played Mudiay because he sucks and is more likely to help us lose?”

As for Robinson, he had 4 fouls in 13 minutes, how is that on the coach? Fouls and stamina are what has limited his minutes more than anything all year. Knox, Trier and Dotson all played over 30 minutes but i guess that doesn’t count.
RE: RE: RE: People want to go all in on the tank  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14304285 Mike in NJ said:
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But then get all over the coach for losing/lineup decisions, can’t have it both ways. The plan is clearly to lose and everything needs to be viewed under that context.



Not when the coach says he played mudiay because he thought he had it rolling...

and uf you are trying to lose why was deandre in the game and not robinson?

it should be playing the young guys who are goimg to be here and live with result rather than trying to lose



I mean what do you want him to say, “I played Mudiay because he sucks and is more likely to help us lose?”

As for Robinson, he had 4 fouls in 13 minutes, how is that on the coach? Fouls and stamina are what has limited his minutes more than anything all year. Knox, Trier and Dotson all played over 30 minutes but i guess that doesn’t count.


no i am responding to you saying coach is not trying to win, if that was the case why did he bring back deandre?

Ok so now everytime the coach speaks we are not supposed to believe him?

I know the team sucks but he can coach a lot better, some of his decisions are terrible
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Pan-handler : 2/23/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14304289 nygiants16 said:
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But then get all over the coach for losing/lineup decisions, can’t have it both ways. The plan is clearly to lose and everything needs to be viewed under that context.



Not when the coach says he played mudiay because he thought he had it rolling...

and uf you are trying to lose why was deandre in the game and not robinson?

it should be playing the young guys who are goimg to be here and live with result rather than trying to lose



I mean what do you want him to say, “I played Mudiay because he sucks and is more likely to help us lose?”

As for Robinson, he had 4 fouls in 13 minutes, how is that on the coach? Fouls and stamina are what has limited his minutes more than anything all year. Knox, Trier and Dotson all played over 30 minutes but i guess that doesn’t count.



no i am responding to you saying coach is not trying to win, if that was the case why did he bring back deandre?

Ok so now everytime the coach speaks we are not supposed to believe him?

I know the team sucks but he can coach a lot better, some of his decisions are terrible


If the moves are being made soley or mainly for preparation for next year , the dynamic entirely changes in game day strategy.

It sure seems like that is what he is doing. Knox needs to be developed and or showcased. And all the younger guys making 4 million plus for that matter. Only kinda peculiar one to me is DSJ and why he isnt getting higher minutes. Is DSJ slowly worked in while he is learning how to play Point? Or maybe nursing an undisclosed injury?
Incredible how bad the Suns are.  
bceagle05 : 2/23/2019 12:19 pm : link
They're "process" is nearing Philly levels of duration, and they're still the worst team in the league. No injury excuses either.
RE: Incredible how bad the Suns are.  
TyreeHelmet : 2/23/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14304320 bceagle05 said:
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They're "process" is nearing Philly levels of duration, and they're still the worst team in the league. No injury excuses either.


Truly is amazing. Sarver has to be the worst owner in the league.

And I’m not saying he has to make them contenders, but it would be nice if Booker starting winning some games. Guy did get a max contract....
RE: i am calling it now  
djm : 2/23/2019 3:07 pm : link
In comment 14304073 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks resign mudiay and he is the starting point guard next year and they trade smith for a 2nd round pick


I’ll take that bet.

You’re reading too much into the rotations right now. Fiz is trying to see what we have here. He’s building players first, building a team second and trying to win last.
RE: RE: People want to go all in on the tank  
djm : 2/23/2019 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14304248 nygiants16 said:
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But then get all over the coach for losing/lineup decisions, can’t have it both ways. The plan is clearly to lose and everything needs to be viewed under that context.



Not when the coach says he played mudiay because he thought he had it rolling...

and uf you are trying to lose why was deandre in the game and not robinson?

it should be playing the young guys who are goimg to be here and live with result rather than trying to lose


Dude what do you want him to say? That he’s playing mudiay becsuse he isn’t sure what the kid can do long term? He’s also said that. You’re reading way too much into this shit. Worry about fiz when the Knicks only win 58 games next season and don’t get to the finals. Then you can worry.
RE: RE: People want to go all in on the tank  
djm : 2/23/2019 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14304248 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14304246 Mike in NJ said:


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But then get all over the coach for losing/lineup decisions, can’t have it both ways. The plan is clearly to lose and everything needs to be viewed under that context.



Not when the coach says he played mudiay because he thought he had it rolling...

and uf you are trying to lose why was deandre in the game and not robinson?

it should be playing the young guys who are goimg to be here and live with result rather than trying to lose


One more thing, Fizdale also said some pretty lovely things about KP during the fall. He also went to Latvia to kiss his ass. All those nice words and proclamations that KP would be the face of the Knicks and how’d that turn out?

Fizdale is the least of our problems.
Mudiay  
Eli Wilson : 2/23/2019 4:40 pm : link
This is pretty funny/sadly accurate.
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RE: It must be great lighting tonight at MSG  
smorgan741 : 2/24/2019 8:59 am : link
In comment 14304031 robbieballs2003 said:
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Rebecca looked good tonight.
I agree! Something about her turns me on.
Sounds like no deandre tonight  
nygiants16 : 2/24/2019 9:38 am : link
I would assume Robinson starts, what is the rookie record for blocks?
Listened to that Lowe/  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/24/2019 9:54 am : link
Begley podcast. Pretty interesting.

KP really inflated his value.
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