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NYG have discussed trading Olivier Vernon

Anakim : 3/1/2019 11:40 am
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The #Giants have discussed the possibility of trading LB Olivier Vernon, sources tell me and @RapSheet. The big score of free agency a few years ago, Vernon might have played his last down as a Giant.
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Anakim : 3/1/2019 11:40 am : link
Ian Rapoport
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Teams have been made aware of the #Giants willingness to move Vernon. Another top pass-rusher available
Raanan  
jeff57 : 3/1/2019 11:41 am : link
Teams that have communicated with the Giants are under the impression they are trying to trade OLB Olivier Vernon, per sources. If they dont get a deal they could potentially cut Vernon after finding a replacement in free agency.
Makes it more belivable  
dep026 : 3/1/2019 11:41 am : link
that Gary, Allen, and Sweat are going to be in the fold at 6.
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Anakim : 3/1/2019 11:42 am : link
Spotrac
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The 28-year-old would leave behind $8M of dead cap to the #Giants per his trade (or release), carrying over salaries & cap figures of $15.5M in both 2019 & 2020 to his new team ($0 GTD).
He still gets pressure  
superspynyg : 3/1/2019 11:42 am : link
but is often injured and comes with a big salary. I cant see anyone wanting him for more than a 6.
RE: Makes it more belivable  
Anakim : 3/1/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14310582 dep026 said:
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that Gary, Allen, and Sweat are going to be in the fold at 6.


I like Burns more than Sweat. Burns is my #7 guy in this class.
I am terrible at guessing trade compensation...  
Capt. Don : 3/1/2019 11:43 am : link
Can we get a 2nd?

What is realistic?
RE: I am terrible at guessing trade compensation...  
dep026 : 3/1/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14310589 Capt. Don said:
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Can we get a 2nd?

What is realistic?


3rd.
Would be very, very happy to get a 3 for this guy!  
M.S. : 3/1/2019 11:43 am : link

I'll even take a high 4.

He always looks great, that is until he tweaks, strains, pulls or breaks something.

And then he is a spectator.

Let the re-build start in earnest!

The Sweat is gonna fill your head  
jeff57 : 3/1/2019 11:44 am : link
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Dottino on the FAN just said the Giants  
Bubba : 3/1/2019 11:46 am : link
are working on getting a high 3rd round pick for this draft. Maybe this is part of that process.
Id pack his bags for a 2nd  
NoGainDayne : 3/1/2019 11:46 am : link
hes a better deal for another team because we have him a sizable bonus but still not great. Id hope for a 3 but I think a 4 + maybe you could squeeze a conditional pick next year out of sack totals.
15m/yr is reasonable for his talents  
AcesUp : 3/1/2019 11:47 am : link
Giants gotta be trying to recoup that 3 and it's not out of the realm of possibility either.
What took the Giants so long...?  
BamaBlue : 3/1/2019 11:47 am : link
We've been 'talking' about it for 2 years. Another nothing burger for the offseason beat writers who have a deadline with no headline...
RE: The Sweat is gonna fill your head  
rnargi : 3/1/2019 11:48 am : link
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What's sweet now, turns so sour.
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jeff57 : 3/1/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14310606 rnargi said:
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What's sweet now, turns so sour.


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I'd take a 3rd for him anytime.  
Red Dog : 3/1/2019 11:50 am : link
I'd even take a 4th to get him out of here. He's hurt a lot, is grossly overpaid for what he actually contributes, and they can draft a replacement this year.

IMHO, that is a lot more important than getting a QB this spring. There will be plenty of QBs to take next spring.
How are we gonna fill the void on the injury report?  
bceagle05 : 3/1/2019 11:50 am : link
I mean, uh, the defensive line?
RE: I'd take a 3rd for him anytime.  
jeff57 : 3/1/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14310611 Red Dog said:
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I'd even take a 4th to get him out of here. He's hurt a lot, is grossly overpaid for what he actually contributes, and they can draft a replacement this year.

IMHO, that is a lot more important than getting a QB this spring. There will be plenty of QBs to take next spring.


Yeah, I'd be quite happy with a third.
RE: How are we gonna fill the void on the injury report?  
Anakim : 3/1/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14310612 bceagle05 said:
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I mean, uh, the defensive line?


Not to mention our quota of bonehead penalties
He'd be about 12m in savings  
AcesUp : 3/1/2019 11:53 am : link
Which would cover Collins tag...
I'd  
AcidTest : 3/1/2019 11:54 am : link
take a third, and probably a high fourth. This shouldn't be surprising. The Giants traded JPP for a third, even though he was missing most of his right hand. His cap hit was also a lot more than $8 million. The league is starved for pass rushers so there should be a market for Vernon, even at his salary. His injury history also isn't that bad. The question is the compensation.
RE: Dottino on the FAN just said the Giants  
Jay on the Island : 3/1/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14310599 Bubba said:
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are working on getting a high 3rd round pick for this draft. Maybe this is part of that process.

Interesting if true. Could they be targeting QB Tyree Jackson?
Highly doubt they get a high 3rd for him.  
Brown Recluse : 3/1/2019 11:58 am : link
Maybe a 4th.
RE: RE: Dottino on the FAN just said the Giants  
Anakim : 3/1/2019 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14310625 Jay on the Island said:
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are working on getting a high 3rd round pick for this draft. Maybe this is part of that process.


Interesting if true. Could they be targeting QB Tyree Jackson?



Haha, I know you'd love that
Pats  
AcesUp : 3/1/2019 12:00 pm : link
I can see Belichick pulling the trigger for a 3 as a cheaper replacement for Flowers, knowing that Flowers will sign a monster deal and he gets that 3 back next year.
RE: Highly doubt they get a high 3rd for him.  
christian : 3/1/2019 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14310627 Brown Recluse said:
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Maybe a 4th.


I don't disagree, but what made the market for JPP significantly better?
Maybe DG can get a 7th for OV.  
The_Boss : 3/1/2019 12:01 pm : link
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RE: Highly doubt they get a high 3rd for him.  
UConn4523 : 3/1/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14310627 Brown Recluse said:
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Maybe a 4th.


Regardless of him not living up to his contract here, he's still got a great skillset and he's more fairly priced now giving his already paid for bonuses.

He's a better player than Apple and has much more in the tank left than Snacks. If we can't get a 3rd than I don't want him traded.
New team would be responsible for his $15.25M salary  
jeff57 : 3/1/2019 12:02 pm : link
Can't see them getting a third.
RE: RE: Highly doubt they get a high 3rd for him.  
AcidTest : 3/1/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14310633 christian said:
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Maybe a 4th.



I don't disagree, but what made the market for JPP significantly better?


Better pure pass rusher. Two years removed from the hand injury. TB also plays a 4-3 IIRC, and JPP is a 4-3 DE.
RE: RE: Makes it more belivable  
90.Cal : 3/1/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14310586 Anakim said:
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that Gary, Allen, and Sweat are going to be in the fold at 6.



I like Burns more than Sweat. Burns is my #7 guy in this class.


Your #7 guy... okay Mayock. Just kidding. I need to see more of Sweat, Burns and Polite..
RE: New team would be responsible for his $15.25M salary  
AcesUp : 3/1/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14310638 jeff57 said:
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Can't see them getting a third.


With no guaranteed money, making it an incredibly workable deal. Mack set a new bar on the market, you'll see these Edge guys getting 20m+ this year.
I would be shocked to get anything above a 6th for OV  
90.Cal : 3/1/2019 12:05 pm : link
But I was shocked when we were able to get a 3rd for JPP so shows how much I know..
RE: Maybe DG can get a 7th for OV.  
90.Cal : 3/1/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14310634 The_Boss said:
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This is exactly what I was thinking..
Trade him to Arizona  
Rjanyg : 3/1/2019 12:07 pm : link
Get their 3rd round pick, or 4th round pick and use both our early 4ths to move up into the 3rd
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Anakim : 3/1/2019 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14310640 90.Cal said:
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In comment 14310582 dep026 said:


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that Gary, Allen, and Sweat are going to be in the fold at 6.



I like Burns more than Sweat. Burns is my #7 guy in this class.



Your #7 guy... okay Mayock. Just kidding. I need to see more of Sweat, Burns and Polite..


Thanks to The Draft Network, I have my own 90 man Draft Board
Vernon and a 3rd  
Jon in NYC : 3/1/2019 12:10 pm : link
for Rosen
Might as well trade him  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/1/2019 12:11 pm : link
How many wins is he worth?

Or Collins for that matter

We're prob a 4-5 win team with both of them or without.
RE: Vernon and a 3rd  
dep026 : 3/1/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14310651 Jon in NYC said:
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for Rosen


We dont have a 3rd. Thats the problem.
a 5th for Vernon  
I Love Clams Casino : 3/1/2019 12:13 pm : link
We love late odd numbered rounds
bad timing...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/1/2019 12:13 pm : link
with the draft so loaded at defense.
Rosen and a 4th or 5th  
ryanmkeane : 3/1/2019 12:13 pm : link
for Vernon and our 2nd. Sign me the hell up
It  
AcidTest : 3/1/2019 12:15 pm : link
sounds like the Giants are committed to moving on from Vernon, whether by trade or cut, to free up cap space. DG mentioned the need for cap space in his press conference. But I'd be surprised if they got a third for Vernon. If the Giants want a high third, they will have to trade down in the first round.
RE: RE: I am terrible at guessing trade compensation...  
bw in dc : 3/1/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14310593 dep026 said:
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Can we get a 2nd?

What is realistic?



3rd.


Really? Why?

I'd take that in a NY minute, but I think we're talking 4th or later.

I think we should still kick the tires on re-doing his contract...
If a contender  
ryanmkeane : 3/1/2019 12:17 pm : link
is dumb enough to give us a 2nd...that'd be a great win. A third would be awesome. Most likely it's a 4th
Vernon  
TommyWiseau : 3/1/2019 12:20 pm : link
and a 2nd for Rosen, one could dream
A 3rd for Vernon seems reasonable  
ZogZerg : 3/1/2019 12:20 pm : link
He is still a really good player.
RE: Vernon and a 3rd  
giants#1 : 3/1/2019 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14310651 Jon in NYC said:
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for Rosen


We don't have a 3rd. And I prefer Vernon and #6 for #1!
RE: RE: I am terrible at guessing trade compensation...  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/1/2019 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14310593 dep026 said:
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Can we get a 2nd?

What is realistic?



3rd.


Cant see anyone wasting a 3 on a guy who cant stay healthy. And when he is healthy way to up and down. Hes never been a big sack # guy either.

First year he was very good. The last two for what he was paid have been a disaster. Also I cant see anyone taking him on that current deal. Hes going to have to negitioate a new one IMO w incentives built in
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