Mike Garafolo
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The #Giants have discussed the possibility of trading LB Olivier Vernon, sources tell me and @RapSheet. The big score of free agency a few years ago, Vernon might have played his last down as a Giant.
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In comment 14310627 Brown Recluse said:
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Maybe a 4th.
I don't disagree, but what made the market for JPP significantly better?
Better pure pass rusher. Two years removed from the hand injury. TB also plays a 4-3 IIRC, and JPP is a 4-3 DE.
Funny because with Arians, Tampa will now run a 3-4.
With all that said, i don't see them getting a high 3rd unless they swap a later pick this year or in the future.
So a top 6 pick in the second round and a solid pass rusher for a QB who looked pretty mediocre in his first year. No thanks. The Rosen love doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Many have complained about Eli’s lack of mobility for at least the last five years and how we need a QB who can move better. Rosen is another statue, a statue that has had injury issues throughout his career and is not thick skinned enough to be able to handle the NY media.
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and a 2nd for Rosen, one could dream
So a top 6 pick in the second round and a solid pass rusher for a QB who looked pretty mediocre in his first year. No thanks. The Rosen love doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Many have complained about Eli’s lack of mobility for at least the last five years and how we need a QB who can move better. Rosen is another statue, a statue that has had injury issues throughout his career and is not thick skinned enough to be able to handle the NY media.
IF you like Rosen, you make that deal and you run.
If you don't like Rosen, then it's a waste.
For what it's worth, Rosen is more mobile than Eli and he survived behind Arizona's line which was worse than ours. He didn't prove much last year admittedly but he did prove he can hold up.
It would then have to be the Pats 2nd round pick as that's essentially a high 3rd round pick.
If management felt the same he would've been gone in last year's roster purge with everyone else.
Weird place to be demanding people give you a pat on the back.
Not a bad place to be.
I would call AZ first.
well if you are trying to move Venon you kind of need to call other teams and let them know, hence why the information is now public
Every team has a rumor mill. You're assuming everything that gets reported as rumor is factual.
Not a bad place to be.
I would call AZ first.
A team has their pick of the litter with every draft choice they make.
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If you could get the first pick of day 3 which is a 4th round pick you would have your pick of the litter.
Not a bad place to be.
I would call AZ first.
A team has their pick of the litter with every draft choice they make.
Beat me to the punch...
Rosen plus a 4th for Vernon and a 2nd?
NYG would then have 3 4ths including the first pick in that round which they could take 2 of and trade back into the 3rd round if they wanted to.
By that logic, so do the Jets. But they're short picks already.
Exactly. This is why it becomes challenging to resign guys like Collins. So much money invested in above average but not great players.
Too soon?
Rosen plus a 4th for Vernon and a 2nd?
NYG would then have 3 4ths including the first pick in that round which they could take 2 of and trade back into the 3rd round if they wanted to.
Way too much for the Giants to give up. That second round pick is a premium pick. I wouldn’t trade that pick alone for Rosen, let alone giving them Vernon too.
Well, if you seem to know what the giants will or won't do, then please by all means enlighten us. We will see just how much you think you know when the dust settles.
Don't wait until the giants actually make their moves and say they telegraphed their moves and we all knew all along. Post it now
Is it Collins will be let go, we won't draft Murray, but we will draft Haskins? Vernon will be traded? Anything else?
You know the media said last year that Beckham was going to hold out (and he didn't), then they said he was going to be traded to the rams (he wasn't). The media has been wrong lots of times, but continue on
No, just not sold on him at this point. I know the Cardinals were a bad team last year, but from the times I saw him play I wasn’t that impressed. He had a total QBR of 25.9 last year, 33rd in the NFL. I’d rather go after Haskins.
Glad that excuse works for Rosen on this board but not Eli!
they desperately need a pass rusher opposite jones. vernon is very little risk in terms of money for the cards.
they have #1 and would miss out on a pass rusher if they love murray. they could trade us rosen and get a solid pass rusher in return in vernon.
IF they love murray, we are a great trade partner because we have a pass rusher for sale and they would have a young QB for sale.
Rosen
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vernon #38 and a 2020 3rd/4th
does that get it done?
LOL .... casue we know how BBI feels about the injustices against minorities and those on the lower rungs of the economic ladder.
they desperately need a pass rusher opposite jones. vernon is very little risk in terms of money for the cards.
they have #1 and would miss out on a pass rusher if they love murray. they could trade us rosen and get a solid pass rusher in return in vernon.
IF they love murray, we are a great trade partner because we have a pass rusher for sale and they would have a young QB for sale.
Rosen
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vernon #38 and a 2020 3rd/4th
does that get it done?
Let’s hope not. We get ROBBED in that scenario.
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Rosen had probably the worst OL in football. He was under siege on every down.
Glad that excuse works for Rosen on this board but not Eli!
One's a rookie and one's a 15 year veteran. The standard is hardly the same.
Bad players? No.
But Snacks, DRC, JPP. and Apple were absolutely locker room cleansing. Malcontents, head cases, and/or poor leaders.
Lol. This is almost comical at this point. We have drafted guys like Snee and Collins in the early second round in the past. That’s a really valuable pick to give up for a QB that may not pan out. He’s not a draft pick, we got to see on year of him in action, and it wasn’t pretty, bad team or not.