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NYG have discussed trading Olivier Vernon

Anakim : 3/1/2019 11:40 am
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The #Giants have discussed the possibility of trading LB Olivier Vernon, sources tell me and @RapSheet. The big score of free agency a few years ago, Vernon might have played his last down as a Giant.
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RE: RE: RE: Highly doubt they get a high 3rd for him.  
Toth029 : 3/1/2019 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14310639 AcidTest said:
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In comment 14310633 christian said:


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In comment 14310627 Brown Recluse said:


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Maybe a 4th.



I don't disagree, but what made the market for JPP significantly better?



Better pure pass rusher. Two years removed from the hand injury. TB also plays a 4-3 IIRC, and JPP is a 4-3 DE.

Funny because with Arians, Tampa will now run a 3-4.
Something to consider  
GiantGrit : 3/1/2019 12:24 pm : link
The FA edge rush class was supposed to be deep. Still is, but Lawrence, Graham and Ford are probably not going to hit the market now. Vernon is still only 28. Injuries aside, he is a good value at that contract since the price for pass rushing is continuing to grow.

With all that said, i don't see them getting a high 3rd unless they swap a later pick this year or in the future.
RE: Vernon  
eric2425ny : 3/1/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14310675 TommyWiseau said:
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and a 2nd for Rosen, one could dream


So a top 6 pick in the second round and a solid pass rusher for a QB who looked pretty mediocre in his first year. No thanks. The Rosen love doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Many have complained about Eli’s lack of mobility for at least the last five years and how we need a QB who can move better. Rosen is another statue, a statue that has had injury issues throughout his career and is not thick skinned enough to be able to handle the NY media.
eric  
ryanmkeane : 3/1/2019 12:33 pm : link
Rosen had probably the worst OL in football. He was under siege on every down.
RE: RE: Vernon  
FStubbs : 3/1/2019 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14310693 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 14310675 TommyWiseau said:


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and a 2nd for Rosen, one could dream



So a top 6 pick in the second round and a solid pass rusher for a QB who looked pretty mediocre in his first year. No thanks. The Rosen love doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Many have complained about Eli’s lack of mobility for at least the last five years and how we need a QB who can move better. Rosen is another statue, a statue that has had injury issues throughout his career and is not thick skinned enough to be able to handle the NY media.


IF you like Rosen, you make that deal and you run.

If you don't like Rosen, then it's a waste.

For what it's worth, Rosen is more mobile than Eli and he survived behind Arizona's line which was worse than ours. He didn't prove much last year admittedly but he did prove he can hold up.
So to everyone defending Vernon's inexcusable play,  
SHO'NUFF : 3/1/2019 12:35 pm : link
say it with me: "I was wrong". I told you the guy blew and management feels the same.
RE: Pats  
Simms11 : 3/1/2019 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14310631 AcesUp said:
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I can see Belichick pulling the trigger for a 3 as a cheaper replacement for Flowers, knowing that Flowers will sign a monster deal and he gets that 3 back next year.


It would then have to be the Pats 2nd round pick as that's essentially a high 3rd round pick.
Last year we got a 3rd for JPP  
Giants38 : 3/1/2019 12:44 pm : link
Why can’t we get a 3rd for OV? His cap hits are more reasonable for the team acquiring him because the guaranteed money - and payments - are owed by the Giants. The team acquiring OV would be doing so risk free and could cut him at any time without incurring a penalty.
RE: So to everyone defending Vernon's inexcusable play,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/1/2019 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14310708 SHO'NUFF said:
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say it with me: "I was wrong". I told you the guy blew and management feels the same.


If management felt the same he would've been gone in last year's roster purge with everyone else.

Weird place to be demanding people give you a pat on the back.
If we can recoup the 3rd for beal in the supplemental I'd move Vernon  
Torrag : 3/1/2019 12:45 pm : link
the guy can make some plays but probably doesn't fit the locker room DG and Shurmur are building and he's oft injured.
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christian : 3/1/2019 12:48 pm : link
I'd happily move a 4th and Vernon for a high 3rd.
I doubt we could get a 2 for him  
Giants38 : 3/1/2019 12:51 pm : link
Certainly not a high second. But if we could, that would give us the draft capital to offer the Jets what they gave the Colts last year to move up from 6 to 3 - two 2018 2nds and a 2019 2nd. Obviously we’d be offering two 2019 2nds and a 2020 2nd, but you get the point.
What about moving  
TommyWiseau : 3/1/2019 12:51 pm : link
Vernon for a 3rd and 6th in 2020? Keep in mind future picks are viewed as being worth less by NFL GMs.
Lucky to get a 3rd more likely a 4th  
GFAN52 : 3/1/2019 12:52 pm : link
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Arizona has the first pick of day 3  
Rjanyg : 3/1/2019 12:52 pm : link
If you could get the first pick of day 3 which is a 4th round pick you would have your pick of the litter.

Not a bad place to be.

I would call AZ first.
Why does the entire world always know the Giants  
arniefez : 3/1/2019 12:54 pm : link
Business? Trade Vernon, let Collins walk, pass on Murray, trade up for Haskins? The Giants are a clown show now.
RE: So to everyone defending Vernon's inexcusable play,  
Rocky369 : 3/1/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14310708 SHO'NUFF said:
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say it with me: "I was wrong". I told you the guy blew and management feels the same.
You were wrong.
RE: Why does the entire world always know the Giants  
TommyWiseau : 3/1/2019 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14310741 arniefez said:
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Business? Trade Vernon, let Collins walk, pass on Murray, trade up for Haskins? The Giants are a clown show now.


well if you are trying to move Venon you kind of need to call other teams and let them know, hence why the information is now public
RE: Why does the entire world always know the Giants  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/1/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14310741 arniefez said:
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Business? Trade Vernon, let Collins walk, pass on Murray, trade up for Haskins? The Giants are a clown show now.


Every team has a rumor mill. You're assuming everything that gets reported as rumor is factual.
I’d take a third or fourth for him  
eric2425ny : 3/1/2019 1:02 pm : link
Gettleman is doing what almost every GM does in their first few years taking over a roster. Make trades, take cap hits, etc to start over. It’s the only way to remake the team. He’s stocking up these draft picks to give him ammo to slide around the draft board and get the guys he wants. I don’t really view any of these trades, particularly Snacks and potentially Vernon as being an indication that they are malcontents or bad players.
RE: Arizona has the first pick of day 3  
Jim in Tampa : 3/1/2019 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14310740 Rjanyg said:
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If you could get the first pick of day 3 which is a 4th round pick you would have your pick of the litter.

Not a bad place to be.

I would call AZ first.

A team has their pick of the litter with every draft choice they make.
I think if they trade OV  
MotownGIANTS : 3/1/2019 1:06 pm : link
then Collins may have a better chance at staying ...
I think if they trade OV  
MotownGIANTS : 3/1/2019 1:07 pm : link
then Collins may have a better chance at staying ... With more $$$ we can get a legit vet FS and let Collins play his natural spot and to his strengths.
PLEASE  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/1/2019 1:07 pm : link
Get this done... high/mid 3rd = Happy
No Brainer  
WillVAB : 3/1/2019 1:17 pm : link
Worst contract on the team.
RE: RE: Arizona has the first pick of day 3  
Jimmy Googs : 3/1/2019 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14310752 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 14310740 Rjanyg said:


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If you could get the first pick of day 3 which is a 4th round pick you would have your pick of the litter.

Not a bad place to be.

I would call AZ first.


A team has their pick of the litter with every draft choice they make.


Beat me to the punch...
Colts make a ton of sense  
WillVAB : 3/1/2019 1:27 pm : link
Zero pass rush and a ton of money.
$11.5m in cap saivngs  
BillT : 3/1/2019 1:40 pm : link
$8m in dead money either traded or cut.
Not sure why Arizona  
ryanmkeane : 3/1/2019 1:45 pm : link
would want him. They are rebuilding.
The failure of the 2016 spending spree should be a teaching tool  
Go Terps : 3/1/2019 1:47 pm : link
The impacts of those types of mistakes ripple out over many years.
I wonder if something  
Chris684 : 3/1/2019 1:49 pm : link
with Arizona can be worked out. Obviously by going with Murray over Rosen they'd be passing up some premier pass rush talents to add opposite Chandler Jones.

Rosen plus a 4th for Vernon and a 2nd?

NYG would then have 3 4ths including the first pick in that round which they could take 2 of and trade back into the 3rd round if they wanted to.
RE: Colts make a ton of sense  
giants#1 : 3/1/2019 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14310794 WillVAB said:
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Zero pass rush and a ton of money.


By that logic, so do the Jets. But they're short picks already.
RE: The failure of the 2016 spending spree should be a teaching tool  
eric2425ny : 3/1/2019 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14310808 Go Terps said:
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The impacts of those types of mistakes ripple out over many years.


Exactly. This is why it becomes challenging to resign guys like Collins. So much money invested in above average but not great players.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/1/2019 1:51 pm : link
I'd trade him to the Patriots for a hand job.


Too soon?
Would love to get  
Metnut : 3/1/2019 1:52 pm : link
a 3rd or 4th from the Colts for him.
RE: I wonder if something  
eric2425ny : 3/1/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14310809 Chris684 said:
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with Arizona can be worked out. Obviously by going with Murray over Rosen they'd be passing up some premier pass rush talents to add opposite Chandler Jones.

Rosen plus a 4th for Vernon and a 2nd?

NYG would then have 3 4ths including the first pick in that round which they could take 2 of and trade back into the 3rd round if they wanted to.


Way too much for the Giants to give up. That second round pick is a premium pick. I wouldn’t trade that pick alone for Rosen, let alone giving them Vernon too.
eric you really wouldn't  
ryanmkeane : 3/1/2019 1:59 pm : link
trade our 2nd round pick for Josh Rosen?
RE: Why does the entire world always know the Giants  
TrueBlue56 : 3/1/2019 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14310741 arniefez said:
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Business? Trade Vernon, let Collins walk, pass on Murray, trade up for Haskins? The Giants are a clown show now.


Well, if you seem to know what the giants will or won't do, then please by all means enlighten us. We will see just how much you think you know when the dust settles.

Don't wait until the giants actually make their moves and say they telegraphed their moves and we all knew all along. Post it now

Is it Collins will be let go, we won't draft Murray, but we will draft Haskins? Vernon will be traded? Anything else?

You know the media said last year that Beckham was going to hold out (and he didn't), then they said he was going to be traded to the rams (he wasn't). The media has been wrong lots of times, but continue on
RE: eric you really wouldn't  
eric2425ny : 3/1/2019 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14310829 ryanmkeane said:
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trade our 2nd round pick for Josh Rosen?


No, just not sold on him at this point. I know the Cardinals were a bad team last year, but from the times I saw him play I wasn’t that impressed. He had a total QBR of 25.9 last year, 33rd in the NFL. I’d rather go after Haskins.
RE: eric  
The 12th Man : 3/1/2019 2:10 pm : link
In comment 14310703 ryanmkeane said:
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Rosen had probably the worst OL in football. He was under siege on every down.


Glad that excuse works for Rosen on this board but not Eli!
RE: Vernon  
Trainmaster : 3/1/2019 2:10 pm : link
I’d love to get a third, but an early 4th is likely the best we can get. One less “kneeler” on the team is an added bonus.
...  
BleedBlue : 3/1/2019 2:17 pm : link
thecards make SO MUCH SENSE.

they desperately need a pass rusher opposite jones. vernon is very little risk in terms of money for the cards.

they have #1 and would miss out on a pass rusher if they love murray. they could trade us rosen and get a solid pass rusher in return in vernon.

IF they love murray, we are a great trade partner because we have a pass rusher for sale and they would have a young QB for sale.


Rosen

for

vernon #38 and a 2020 3rd/4th

does that get it done?
RE: RE: Vernon  
MotownGIANTS : 3/1/2019 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14310847 Trainmaster said:
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I’d love to get a third, but an early 4th is likely the best we can get. One less “kneeler” on the team is an added bonus.



LOL .... casue we know how BBI feels about the injustices against minorities and those on the lower rungs of the economic ladder.
RE: ...  
dep026 : 3/1/2019 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14310853 BleedBlue said:
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thecards make SO MUCH SENSE.

they desperately need a pass rusher opposite jones. vernon is very little risk in terms of money for the cards.

they have #1 and would miss out on a pass rusher if they love murray. they could trade us rosen and get a solid pass rusher in return in vernon.

IF they love murray, we are a great trade partner because we have a pass rusher for sale and they would have a young QB for sale.


Rosen

for

vernon #38 and a 2020 3rd/4th

does that get it done?


Let’s hope not. We get ROBBED in that scenario.
Rosen fans  
JonC : 3/1/2019 2:19 pm : link
need to give up.
RE: RE: eric  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/1/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14310846 The 12th Man said:
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In comment 14310703 ryanmkeane said:


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Rosen had probably the worst OL in football. He was under siege on every down.



Glad that excuse works for Rosen on this board but not Eli!


One's a rookie and one's a 15 year veteran. The standard is hardly the same.
RE: I’d take a third or fourth for him  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/1/2019 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14310750 eric2425ny said:
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Gettleman is doing what almost every GM does in their first few years taking over a roster. Make trades, take cap hits, etc to start over. It’s the only way to remake the team. He’s stocking up these draft picks to give him ammo to slide around the draft board and get the guys he wants. I don’t really view any of these trades, particularly Snacks and potentially Vernon as being an indication that they are malcontents or bad players.


Bad players? No.

But Snacks, DRC, JPP. and Apple were absolutely locker room cleansing. Malcontents, head cases, and/or poor leaders.
RE: Rosen fans  
eric2425ny : 3/1/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14310857 JonC said:
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need to give up.


Lol. This is almost comical at this point. We have drafted guys like Snee and Collins in the early second round in the past. That’s a really valuable pick to give up for a QB that may not pan out. He’s not a draft pick, we got to see on year of him in action, and it wasn’t pretty, bad team or not.
eric  
ryanmkeane : 3/1/2019 2:36 pm : link
based on that logic, we should have given up on Eli Manning after 1 year. He was worse than Rosen was his rookie season, and Eli had a better team.
Eric  
ArlingtonMike : 3/1/2019 2:39 pm : link
I’d negotiate for a 7th with the Pats and a reach around.
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