Some betrayals (Jaime/Cersei, Sansa and Littlefinger/Jon Snow), Tyrion seeing Jaime and Cersei again, Jon reunited with Arya...
Or all of that may have happened. I have to start S7. Haha
I would not be the least bit surprised if all the Dragons die or just Drogon survives. It was leaked that this season contains betrayal. The most likely character is Sansa. I could see her becoming a less evil version of Cersei who she admitted she admired and learned a lot from. She clearly desires to rule the north and obviously Jon and Dany stand in her way.
I like that idea. Sansa going Anakin.
And the series contains a lot of foils. Jon Snow and Ramsay Bolton. Ned Stark and Roos. Joffrey and Robb. Jon Snow and Tyrion. Theon and Jon Snow, Jaime and Loris...
Dany is probably the closest foil to Sansa, but they are very similar unlike the previously mentioned pairs. So perhaps, Sansa does go to the Dark Side and aligns herself with Littlefinger against her family.
Look at picture 4. If you zoom in at the bottom left of the picture it looks a little like Daario standing on the ship in front of the golden company. Link - ( New Window )
I don't see it. Male, dark hair, facial hair, but I don't see much of a resemblance. Maybe I'm not looking in the same spot. Or maybe the photo is just too pixellated when I zoom in to 1200% lol.
Look at picture 4. If you zoom in at the bottom left of the picture it looks a little like Daario standing on the ship in front of the golden company. Link - ( New Window )
I don't see it. Male, dark hair, facial hair, but I don't see much of a resemblance. Maybe I'm not looking in the same spot. Or maybe the photo is just too pixellated when I zoom in to 1200% lol.
It's probably nobody but he is wearing different armor than the rest of the soldier and it is dark just like Daario's.
I don't think there is going to be a happy ending to this show. I feel like it could go in a million different directions. For some reason I picture the final scene showing some character (Cersei or the King of the Walkers in my mind) slowly descending to the seated position on the thrown with every one of us watching with our jaws dropped in total shock.
I don't think there is going to be a happy ending to this show. I feel like it could go in a million different directions. For some reason I picture the final scene showing some character (Cersei or the King of the Walkers in my mind) slowly descending to the seated position on the thrown with every one of us watching with our jaws dropped in total shock.
Martin has said it's a bittersweet ending, and he's said the show writers know his plans for the ending, if they stick to it, none of us knows.
If he's right and the 5 people he's said survive, actually do (Tyrion, Dany, Jon, Sansa, and Arya) then Bran could be the "sacrifice" or Jamie.
Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
I don't think there is going to be a happy ending to this show. I feel like it could go in a million different directions. For some reason I picture the final scene showing some character (Cersei or the King of the Walkers in my mind) slowly descending to the seated position on the thrown with every one of us watching with our jaws dropped in total shock.
Martin has said it's a bittersweet ending, and he's said the show writers know his plans for the ending, if they stick to it, none of us knows.
If he's right and the 5 people he's said survive, actually do (Tyrion, Dany, Jon, Sansa, and Arya) then Bran could be the "sacrifice" or Jamie.
Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
The other way I could see it, is the character who is sitting down wasn't always evil. And only at the end becomes evil, surprising all of us. Leaving us thinking well, the one I wanted on the thrown is there now. Ha ha
Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
He's dead.
So we are led to believe, but there are reddit theories that he is actually alive and well.
Arya slashed his throat in front of many at winterfell.
the theory is that it was a "faceless man", not Littlefinger. Only problem I have with that theory is I thought in order to wear someone's face they had to be dead, but if you can get past that, this theory makes a little sense or at least is somewhat believable for the story.
because they went out of their way to neuter him on the show for the last several seasons to the point where he was basically dead weight. Hard to believe they’d go back on that.
on Reddit and YouTube are pushing the Winterfell crypts theory - the name itself signifying the place where the White Walkers (Winter) were previously defeated by the Starks. Perhaps they have some unfinished business with them - that would be freaking amazing. It also makes the Kings Landing drama seem completely insignificant, but oh well.
RE: Bovada has odds on who will sit on the iron throne Â
If I was going to gamble I'd bet on Davos, if you want a long shot
Daenerys Targaryen (2:1)
Jon Snow (2:1)
Bran Stark (3.5:1)
The Night King (10:1)
Tyrion Lannister (12.5:1)
Cersei Lannister (15:1)
Jaime Lannister (15:1)
Sansa Stark (25:1)
Arya Stark (40:1)
Euron Greyjoy (50:1)
Varys (75:1)
Gendry (75:1)
Samwell Tarly (75:1)
Melisandre (100:1)
Theon Greyjoy (100:1)
Jaqen H’ghar (100:1)
Brienne of Tarth (100:1)
Jorah Mormont (100:1)
Bronn (100:1)
Tormund Giantsbane (100:1)
Davos Seaworth (100:1)
The Hound (100:1)
Gilly (100:1)
Daario Naharis (100:1)
Yara Greyjoy (100:1)
The Mountain (150:1)
Hmmn... I just read odds from a Vegas online website a bit differently. They have Bran Stark the overwhelming favorite (-130), with Jon Snow at 2:1 and Daenerys at 3:1.
I do wonder if Daenerys and Jon have a son this season and the 'bittersweet moment' is the son becomes King and inherits a peaceful realm, but both his parents have died on the quest. Or at least Daenerys dies during child birth (which I guess would make Jon the king).
My money is on Jon with Daenerys dying at the end.
I just can't see Bran ending up on the throne - that would be disappointing.
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Hmmn... I just read odds from a Vegas online website a bit differently. They have Bran Stark the overwhelming favorite (-130), with Jon Snow at 2:1 and Daenerys at 3:1.
I do wonder if Daenerys and Jon have a son this season and the 'bittersweet moment' is the son becomes King and inherits a peaceful realm, but both his parents have died on the quest. Or at least Daenerys dies during child birth (which I guess would make Jon the king).
My money is on Jon with Daenerys dying at the end.
I just can't see Bran ending up on the throne - that would be disappointing.
I feel like it can't be Bran simply because I don't think he would take the thrown. He seems to be too in to the whole one eye'd raven thing. He almost seems like he wants no part of being amongst people.
regarding Bran and the Night King that may be leading to those odds. I don't think it's spoilers because it's just speculation but I'll link the theory instead of typing it. Some of these theories have been spot on in the past Link - ( New Window )
regarding Bran and the Night King that may be leading to those odds. I don't think it's spoilers because it's just speculation but I'll link the theory instead of typing it. Some of these theories have been spot on in the past Link - ( New Window )
I've read this and for the reasons they point out I don't think it's realistic. If they do decide to go with a plot like this I think there will be a lot of confusion.
I can't wrap my mind around the Bran/Night King theory. Â
Was the Night King around for the famous Hodor moment in the cave? What if he and Bran had come face to face during that chase?
I've also considered the possibility that Bran wargs into the Night King while the Night King is battling Jon (that showdown seems inevitable), and lets Jon kill him - that's the "bittersweet" moment. Doesn't really make sense though - couldn't Bran warg into him at any time and kill himself to end this threat?
I raised questions about Bran earlier in this thread - I feel like he's going to be involved in something mind-blowing, but I can't decide what.
regarding Bran and the Night King that may be leading to those odds. I don't think it's spoilers because it's just speculation but I'll link the theory instead of typing it. Some of these theories have been spot on in the past Link - ( New Window )
I've read this and for the reasons they point out I don't think it's realistic. If they do decide to go with a plot like this I think there will be a lot of confusion.
I didn't realize that NK is a show-only entity. One would think that likely kills the B=NK idea, but who knows.
I'll personally be really furious if B=NK proves to be true, for the reason that the prior link points out -- It would mean that Bran could effectively be conscious/active in 2 times/persons at the same time, which has kind of been one of the inferred 'rules' of this fantasy.
I'm totally willing to suspend disbelief and nerd out on stuff like this. I really enjoy it. But when things start to play outside of their own boundaries they've kinda set for themselves, I anger pretty quickly. It would be a major letdown in that sense.
He was unaware of his lineage when he "bent the knee" to Dany, but he still bent the knee and will honor that. Also, I doubt he wants the throne, nor does Bran. The northerners don't care much for Kings Landing. Makes it very interesting - Dany seems the most predictable, but Game of Thrones is never predictable.
We will see Lady Stoneheart (Catelyn Stark) sometime during this last season
That would be great, it's been a glaring omission from the show. My only theory is they didn't want to take away from the Jon Snow death/resurrection later on, but it's still a badass character.
We will see Lady Stoneheart (Catelyn Stark) sometime during this last season
I've read this too, hard to see how they introduce her at this point, especially with just 6 episodes left, but of course this is all new plot, so they could come up with something.
What's striking to me is if you compare these seasons of GOT to movies, it's sort of staggering.
I thought the LOTR trilogy movies were long, and those books were massive too.
But if you add up the time of 8 seasons of GOT, with 6 - 10 episodes each and you calculate it as a hour per episode you have approximately 73 hours of GOT.
That's over 20 3 hour movies.
Do you think if they tried to make movies instead of shows they could/would have compressed it into less or maybe one movie per book?
What's striking to me is if you compare these seasons of GOT to movies, it's sort of staggering.
I thought the LOTR trilogy movies were long, and those books were massive too.
But if you add up the time of 8 seasons of GOT, with 6 - 10 episodes each and you calculate it as a hour per episode you have approximately 73 hours of GOT.
That's over 20 3 hour movies.
Do you think if they tried to make movies instead of shows they could/would have compressed it into less or maybe one movie per book?
Can you even compare it this way?
I think there was some stuff that dragged for us as viewers, but I think a lot of that was anticipation for things to come making that dragging seem worse. Like wanting Dany to get out of the Red Sea, get some boats and cross the damn ocean already.
With so many characters & their story lines(and with so much more from the books not used or altered), the show still had moments where they struggled conveying time.
I think it would be almost impossible to do these in a traditional film format and we're seeing the strength of the series format.
They could have spent a whole episode on Gendry running back to the wall. Dude was booking, not only did he make it back to the wall in like 5 minutes, he also seemed to get a message to Danny in no time. Those message ravens were flying at mach speed.
It would end up being way too similar to LotR. The sense of time/pacing (pre-S6/S7 at least) and the building up story/character arcs are part of what makes the show so great.
They could have spent a whole episode on Gendry running back to the wall. Dude was booking, not only did he make it back to the wall in like 5 minutes, he also seemed to get a message to Danny in no time. Those message ravens were flying at mach speed.
That's the struggling I was referring to. There are estimates out there for taking a horse & wagon from Winterfell to King's Landing would take over 2 months. How would you show that, and who would want to watch it?
So the time still gets fucky on the show and that's with 70+ hours of run time.
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Some betrayals (Jaime/Cersei, Sansa and Littlefinger/Jon Snow), Tyrion seeing Jaime and Cersei again, Jon reunited with Arya...
Or all of that may have happened. I have to start S7. Haha
I would not be the least bit surprised if all the Dragons die or just Drogon survives. It was leaked that this season contains betrayal. The most likely character is Sansa. I could see her becoming a less evil version of Cersei who she admitted she admired and learned a lot from. She clearly desires to rule the north and obviously Jon and Dany stand in her way.
I like that idea. Sansa going Anakin.
And the series contains a lot of foils. Jon Snow and Ramsay Bolton. Ned Stark and Roos. Joffrey and Robb. Jon Snow and Tyrion. Theon and Jon Snow, Jaime and Loris...
Dany is probably the closest foil to Sansa, but they are very similar unlike the previously mentioned pairs. So perhaps, Sansa does go to the Dark Side and aligns herself with Littlefinger against her family.
I don't see it. Male, dark hair, facial hair, but I don't see much of a resemblance. Maybe I'm not looking in the same spot. Or maybe the photo is just too pixellated when I zoom in to 1200% lol.
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Look at picture 4. If you zoom in at the bottom left of the picture it looks a little like Daario standing on the ship in front of the golden company. Link - ( New Window )
I don't see it. Male, dark hair, facial hair, but I don't see much of a resemblance. Maybe I'm not looking in the same spot. Or maybe the photo is just too pixellated when I zoom in to 1200% lol.
It's probably nobody but he is wearing different armor than the rest of the soldier and it is dark just like Daario's.
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Although that's kinda telegraphed, so maybe that doesn't count as a surprise.
Tyrion killing Cersei would be more telegraphed than Jamie IMO.
I think Tyrion certainly has more reason for killing her.
Martin has said it's a bittersweet ending, and he's said the show writers know his plans for the ending, if they stick to it, none of us knows.
If he's right and the 5 people he's said survive, actually do (Tyrion, Dany, Jon, Sansa, and Arya) then Bran could be the "sacrifice" or Jamie.
Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
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Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
He's dead.
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I don't think there is going to be a happy ending to this show. I feel like it could go in a million different directions. For some reason I picture the final scene showing some character (Cersei or the King of the Walkers in my mind) slowly descending to the seated position on the thrown with every one of us watching with our jaws dropped in total shock.
Martin has said it's a bittersweet ending, and he's said the show writers know his plans for the ending, if they stick to it, none of us knows.
If he's right and the 5 people he's said survive, actually do (Tyrion, Dany, Jon, Sansa, and Arya) then Bran could be the "sacrifice" or Jamie.
Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
The other way I could see it, is the character who is sitting down wasn't always evil. And only at the end becomes evil, surprising all of us. Leaving us thinking well, the one I wanted on the thrown is there now. Ha ha
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Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
He's dead.
So we are led to believe, but there are reddit theories that he is actually alive and well.
Sam is George R.R. Martin. Mind. BLOWN.
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Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
He's dead.
So we are led to believe, but there are reddit theories that he is actually alive and well.
Arya slashed his throat in front of many at winterfell.
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Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
He's dead.
So we are led to believe, but there are reddit theories that he is actually alive and well.
Arya slashed his throat in front of many at winterfell.
the theory is that it was a "faceless man", not Littlefinger. Only problem I have with that theory is I thought in order to wear someone's face they had to be dead, but if you can get past that, this theory makes a little sense or at least is somewhat believable for the story.
Littlefinger theory - not dead - spoilers maybe - ( New Window )
Daenerys Targaryen (2:1)
Jon Snow (2:1)
Bran Stark (3.5:1)
The Night King (10:1)
Tyrion Lannister (12.5:1)
Cersei Lannister (15:1)
Jaime Lannister (15:1)
Sansa Stark (25:1)
Arya Stark (40:1)
Euron Greyjoy (50:1)
Varys (75:1)
Gendry (75:1)
Samwell Tarly (75:1)
Melisandre (100:1)
Theon Greyjoy (100:1)
Jaqen H’ghar (100:1)
Brienne of Tarth (100:1)
Jorah Mormont (100:1)
Bronn (100:1)
Tormund Giantsbane (100:1)
Davos Seaworth (100:1)
The Hound (100:1)
Gilly (100:1)
Daario Naharis (100:1)
Yara Greyjoy (100:1)
The Mountain (150:1)
I want it to be the Sweetrobin (Robin Arryn). Would actually make some sense and would fit his subversion of the trope.
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is Sam writing A Song of Ice and Fire sometime in the future.
Sam is George R.R. Martin. Mind. BLOWN.
If Sam is GRRM then the he won’t write shit. Or will in another 26-30 years. I’ll be dead or too old to give a shit
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Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
He's dead.
Welcome back big guy!
Daenerys Targaryen (2:1)
Jon Snow (2:1)
Bran Stark (3.5:1)
The Night King (10:1)
Tyrion Lannister (12.5:1)
Cersei Lannister (15:1)
Jaime Lannister (15:1)
Sansa Stark (25:1)
Arya Stark (40:1)
Euron Greyjoy (50:1)
Varys (75:1)
Gendry (75:1)
Samwell Tarly (75:1)
Melisandre (100:1)
Theon Greyjoy (100:1)
Jaqen H’ghar (100:1)
Brienne of Tarth (100:1)
Jorah Mormont (100:1)
Bronn (100:1)
Tormund Giantsbane (100:1)
Davos Seaworth (100:1)
The Hound (100:1)
Gilly (100:1)
Daario Naharis (100:1)
Yara Greyjoy (100:1)
The Mountain (150:1)
Hmmn... I just read odds from a Vegas online website a bit differently. They have Bran Stark the overwhelming favorite (-130), with Jon Snow at 2:1 and Daenerys at 3:1.
I do wonder if Daenerys and Jon have a son this season and the 'bittersweet moment' is the son becomes King and inherits a peaceful realm, but both his parents have died on the quest. Or at least Daenerys dies during child birth (which I guess would make Jon the king).
My money is on Jon with Daenerys dying at the end.
I just can't see Bran ending up on the throne - that would be disappointing.
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Hmmn... I just read odds from a Vegas online website a bit differently. They have Bran Stark the overwhelming favorite (-130), with Jon Snow at 2:1 and Daenerys at 3:1.
I do wonder if Daenerys and Jon have a son this season and the 'bittersweet moment' is the son becomes King and inherits a peaceful realm, but both his parents have died on the quest. Or at least Daenerys dies during child birth (which I guess would make Jon the king).
My money is on Jon with Daenerys dying at the end.
I just can't see Bran ending up on the throne - that would be disappointing.
I feel like it can't be Bran simply because I don't think he would take the thrown. He seems to be too in to the whole one eye'd raven thing. He almost seems like he wants no part of being amongst people.
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I've read this and for the reasons they point out I don't think it's realistic. If they do decide to go with a plot like this I think there will be a lot of confusion.
I've also considered the possibility that Bran wargs into the Night King while the Night King is battling Jon (that showdown seems inevitable), and lets Jon kill him - that's the "bittersweet" moment. Doesn't really make sense though - couldn't Bran warg into him at any time and kill himself to end this threat?
I raised questions about Bran earlier in this thread - I feel like he's going to be involved in something mind-blowing, but I can't decide what.
He's not of the surviving 5 according to Martin, if you buy that as truthful.
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regarding Bran and the Night King that may be leading to those odds. I don't think it's spoilers because it's just speculation but I'll link the theory instead of typing it. Some of these theories have been spot on in the past Link - ( New Window )
I've read this and for the reasons they point out I don't think it's realistic. If they do decide to go with a plot like this I think there will be a lot of confusion.
I didn't realize that NK is a show-only entity. One would think that likely kills the B=NK idea, but who knows.
I'll personally be really furious if B=NK proves to be true, for the reason that the prior link points out -- It would mean that Bran could effectively be conscious/active in 2 times/persons at the same time, which has kind of been one of the inferred 'rules' of this fantasy.
I'm totally willing to suspend disbelief and nerd out on stuff like this. I really enjoy it. But when things start to play outside of their own boundaries they've kinda set for themselves, I anger pretty quickly. It would be a major letdown in that sense.
That would be great, it's been a glaring omission from the show. My only theory is they didn't want to take away from the Jon Snow death/resurrection later on, but it's still a badass character.
I've read this too, hard to see how they introduce her at this point, especially with just 6 episodes left, but of course this is all new plot, so they could come up with something.
Most of us were under the impression that the wait was so long for only 6 final episodes because those 6 episodes were going to be massive.
Looks like that's not going to be the case:
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Most of us were under the impression that the wait was so long for only 6 final episodes because those 6 episodes were going to be massive.
Looks like that's not going to be the case: link - ( New Window )
It’s been known for awhile the first two will be normal length while the remainder will be 80-90 minutes long
Episode 1) :54
Episode 2) :58
Episode 3) 1:22
Episode 4) 1:18
Episode 5) 1:20
Episode 6) 1:20
Episode 1) :54
Episode 2) :58
Episode 3) 1:22
Episode 4) 1:18
Episode 5) 1:20
Episode 6) 1:20
What's striking to me is if you compare these seasons of GOT to movies, it's sort of staggering.
I thought the LOTR trilogy movies were long, and those books were massive too.
But if you add up the time of 8 seasons of GOT, with 6 - 10 episodes each and you calculate it as a hour per episode you have approximately 73 hours of GOT.
That's over 20 3 hour movies.
Do you think if they tried to make movies instead of shows they could/would have compressed it into less or maybe one movie per book?
Can you even compare it this way?
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Episode 1) :54
Episode 2) :58
Episode 3) 1:22
Episode 4) 1:18
Episode 5) 1:20
Episode 6) 1:20
What's striking to me is if you compare these seasons of GOT to movies, it's sort of staggering.
I thought the LOTR trilogy movies were long, and those books were massive too.
But if you add up the time of 8 seasons of GOT, with 6 - 10 episodes each and you calculate it as a hour per episode you have approximately 73 hours of GOT.
That's over 20 3 hour movies.
Do you think if they tried to make movies instead of shows they could/would have compressed it into less or maybe one movie per book?
Can you even compare it this way?
I think there was some stuff that dragged for us as viewers, but I think a lot of that was anticipation for things to come making that dragging seem worse. Like wanting Dany to get out of the Red Sea, get some boats and cross the damn ocean already.
With so many characters & their story lines(and with so much more from the books not used or altered), the show still had moments where they struggled conveying time.
I think it would be almost impossible to do these in a traditional film format and we're seeing the strength of the series format.
Not exactly apples to apples, but sort of similar.
That's the struggling I was referring to. There are estimates out there for taking a horse & wagon from Winterfell to King's Landing would take over 2 months. How would you show that, and who would want to watch it?
So the time still gets fucky on the show and that's with 70+ hours of run time.