is that same devious smile while she holds the wine glass. I wonder who gets the honor of killing her - Jamie's the clear favorite, but perhaps there's a twist that puts a new spin on that "valonqar" prophecy.
when i say "anything" i mean right in your face. I'm sure reddit concluded the final scene from the trailer somehow
I think they purposely put in one or two minor reveals in these that can only be figured out by the crazies on Reddit--keeps their most rabid fans into it.
will feature the longest battle sequence every captured on screen - movie or tv, and it will be the battle of winterfell
Looked like the Battle of Winterfell that was about to begin at the end of the trailer. Detail in the link. I seriously cannot wait for this Link - ( New Window )
I really, really want to be wowed by how this series wraps up. I haven't been wowed much by it over the last couple seasons. But they've had a lot of time to plan how to end this, so I can only hope they get it right.
I can't wait. Pretty soon, my wife will be running out of the living room on Sunday nights again when she hears the theme song start. :D
I feel like I'm in the minority, but Bran's journey has always intrigued me. The people who know what's coming - Bloodraven, Jojen Reed, half-dead Benjen - were obsessed with Bran, which means he plays an integral role in defeating the White Walkers. I just don't know what that is. For awhile I bought into the theory that he wargs into the Night King somehow and Jon kills him, but that's been shot down by the reddit experts and the actor himself. Is he gonna pull another Hodor trick and warg into a human? It's always fascinated me.
I feel like I'm in the minority, but Bran's journey has always intrigued me. The people who know what's coming - Bloodraven, Jojen Reed, half-dead Benjen - were obsessed with Bran, which means he plays an integral role in defeating the White Walkers. I just don't know what that is. For awhile I bought into the theory that he wargs into the Night King somehow and Jon kills him, but that's been shot down by the reddit experts and the actor himself. Is he gonna pull another Hodor trick and warg into a human? It's always fascinated me.
Do you mind linking where that was shot down? Dont have time to Google rn. Thanks!
No one's going to reveal anything anyway, so I'm not sure how much stock to put into it. Clearly, Bran is involved in some crazy shit to help win this war. Bran - ( New Window )
In the season 1 histories and lores, which is the DVD animated extras where they go into more of the world building the books provide that they don't have time to do in the show...the section on the legendary "Bran the Builder" is quite intriguing. What was noticed by people is Bran the Builder in every animated shot that is shown, is depicted as either being carried, lifted, or dragged. Never upright on his own two feet, never walking.
Now is this just a coincidence, or hint at something more? Is the Bran we know, Bran the Builder gone back in time? And if so, then some form of time machinations (I won't call it travel) seem likely to play into the end of the story.
Now is this just a coincidence, or hint at something more? Is the Bran we know, Bran the Builder gone back in time? And if so, then some form of time machinations (I won't call it travel) seem likely to play into the end of the story.
Thanks for sharing this, I had never known of that possible connection.
Another thing that's been hinted - which may or may not involve Bran - is the possible connection between the Starks and the White Walkers, and how that may save them. Is the Night King a Stark? Is there something in the crypts of Winterfell that could save them? It hasn't been explored as much in the show, but you repeatedly hear the Starks say, "There must always be a Stark at Winterfell." It sounds like there's something more to that than just an innocent family mantra.
is that same devious smile while she holds the wine glass. I wonder who gets the honor of killing her - Jamie's the clear favorite, but perhaps there's a twist that puts a new spin on that "valonqar" prophecy.
My money is on Jammie or if he dies Arya takes his face.
I feel like I'm in the minority, but Bran's journey has always intrigued me. The people who know what's coming - Bloodraven, Jojen Reed, half-dead Benjen - were obsessed with Bran, which means he plays an integral role in defeating the White Walkers. I just don't know what that is. For awhile I bought into the theory that he wargs into the Night King somehow and Jon kills him, but that's been shot down by the reddit experts and the actor himself. Is he gonna pull another Hodor trick and warg into a human? It's always fascinated me.
His story is my favorite as well followed by Arya. The main stories are great but you for the most part know what they are. These allow a little flexibility in what they can do.
is definitely interesting, but way too boring to spend a ton of time in a final season with just 6 episodes.
I kind of thought he'd just wind up intertwined with a tree and left to live out his life through the raven and warging.
And I was initially disappointed he couldn't use animals (or people) the way Beastmaster did and help in battle more or even do things like save Rickon. He already mastered his "trade" by then, so I wasn't going to say avoid the red wedding or his fathers beheading, but saving Rickon seems like he should have been able to do by maybe warging into one of Ramsey's dogs or something and turn on him.
is definitely interesting, but way too boring to spend a ton of time in a final season with just 6 episodes.
I kind of thought he'd just wind up intertwined with a tree and left to live out his life through the raven and warging.
And I was initially disappointed he couldn't use animals (or people) the way Beastmaster did and help in battle more or even do things like save Rickon. He already mastered his "trade" by then, so I wasn't going to say avoid the red wedding or his fathers beheading, but saving Rickon seems like he should have been able to do by maybe warging into one of Ramsey's dogs or something and turn on him.
But there weren't any dogs on the battlefield, I don't think. Ricon (who is such a throwaway character) was killed by Ramsay's arrow.
I could see Bran becoming a tree. He's as useful as one.
is definitely interesting, but way too boring to spend a ton of time in a final season with just 6 episodes.
I kind of thought he'd just wind up intertwined with a tree and left to live out his life through the raven and warging.
And I was initially disappointed he couldn't use animals (or people) the way Beastmaster did and help in battle more or even do things like save Rickon. He already mastered his "trade" by then, so I wasn't going to say avoid the red wedding or his fathers beheading, but saving Rickon seems like he should have been able to do by maybe warging into one of Ramsey's dogs or something and turn on him.
The problem is once he became the Three-Eyed Raven he was no longer Bran Stark. This comes up when someone tells him he's the true heir to Winterfell and he responds something along the lines of "nah." I think he's singularly focused on defeating the Night's King (although I could be wrong, because he does tell Sansa that Littlefinger betrayed Ned).
is definitely interesting, but way too boring to spend a ton of time in a final season with just 6 episodes.
I kind of thought he'd just wind up intertwined with a tree and left to live out his life through the raven and warging.
And I was initially disappointed he couldn't use animals (or people) the way Beastmaster did and help in battle more or even do things like save Rickon. He already mastered his "trade" by then, so I wasn't going to say avoid the red wedding or his fathers beheading, but saving Rickon seems like he should have been able to do by maybe warging into one of Ramsey's dogs or something and turn on him.
The problem is once he became the Three-Eyed Raven he was no longer Bran Stark. This comes up when someone tells him he's the true heir to Winterfell and he responds something along the lines of "nah." I think he's singularly focused on defeating the Night's King (although I could be wrong, because he does tell Sansa that Littlefinger betrayed Ned).
Who is the absolute worst, most horrible character of them all? Sersei? Ramsay? Joffrey?
You can say that Sersei is redeemable by how much she loved her children and how she would do anything for them. Ramsay was just plain mentally insane, and Joffrey was weak and inadequate, which translated into his cruelness.
Who is the absolute worst, most horrible character of them all? Sersei? Ramsay? Joffrey?
You can say that Sersei is redeemable by how much she loved her children and how she would do anything for them. Ramsay was just plain mentally insane, and Joffrey was weak and inadequate, which translated into his cruelness.
Cersei is my far the worst character. She is essentially the Mad Queen. I predicted that Jaime would face an almost exact situation as he faced with the Mad King. He will plead for her to surrender and she will order Qyburn to burn the entire city and Jaime will kill them both.
is that they put the women, children, and Varys in the Starks crypt when they have the night king marching on winterfell. As we all know the night king can raise the dead and the crypt is filled with generations of dead Starks.
toward the end of the story, when George RR Martin told them - the Hodor revelation, and something that happens at the very end. If that other shocker is dead Starks rising from the crypts to fight with or against the Army of the Dead, it would be insane.
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I get that we've already seen whole skeletons fighting and all but some of these dead Starks have been there for thousands of years. Would there even be anything left? If it turns out this was always part of the story plan from George RR Martin, my guess is the point of it was to get Lyanna reanimated and have some kind of interplay with Jon Snow. That would be kind of brutal actually for Jon to have to see and deal with that.
The books have dropped more hints about possible links between the Starks and White Walkers, and things that may be in the crypts at Winterfell that could help win the "great war," but the show really hasn't laid any groundwork for that. Not sure you could pull off having a headless Ned Stark running around Winterfell at this point.
The experts claim the trailer only showed scenes from the first half of the final season, so there's crazy stuff going down at the end. I thought the show lost its way a bit in recent seasons, but I can't wait to see the conclusion - it's been two years in the making.
So all this shitting on Jon Snow by GoT fans is interesting
I think Jon Snow's a fairly popular character. The actor who plays him is a little stiff, but I think most people root for the character to kick ass. Arya's the most popular of the family though.
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toward the end of the story, when George RR Martin told them - the Hodor revelation, and something that happens at the very end. If that other shocker is dead Starks rising from the crypts to fight with or against the Army of the Dead, it would be insane.
I'm thinking that the other revelation is that Night King is a stark or Bran is Brandon the builder.
I get that we've already seen whole skeletons fighting and all but some of these dead Starks have been there for thousands of years. Would there even be anything left? If it turns out this was always part of the story plan from George RR Martin, my guess is the point of it was to get Lyanna reanimated and have some kind of interplay with Jon Snow. That would be kind of brutal actually for Jon to have to see and deal with that.
It can only be something unthinkable that scares Arya in the beginning of the trailer. I'm thinking that either a dead relative who was awaken by the night king. If it was just a bunch of white walkers I think she would have stood her ground and fought them but it is clearly something significant.
Another explanation is that she could just be setting a trap like she did in Braavos.
I get that we've already seen whole skeletons fighting and all but some of these dead Starks have been there for thousands of years. Would there even be anything left? If it turns out this was always part of the story plan from George RR Martin, my guess is the point of it was to get Lyanna reanimated and have some kind of interplay with Jon Snow. That would be kind of brutal actually for Jon to have to see and deal with that.
It can only be something unthinkable that scares Arya in the beginning of the trailer. I'm thinking that either a dead relative who was awaken by the night king. If it was just a bunch of white walkers I think she would have stood her ground and fought them but it is clearly something significant.
Another explanation is that she could just be setting a trap like she did in Braavos.
toward the end of the story, when George RR Martin told them - the Hodor revelation, and something that happens at the very end. If that other shocker is dead Starks rising from the crypts to fight with or against the Army of the Dead, it would be insane.
I'm thinking that the other revelation is that Night King is a stark or Bran is Brandon the builder.
Maybe John is azor ahai and has to kill Daenerys to be able to kill the night king?
but I feel like it would be going to the well one too many times if she pulled that trick with Cersei, too. Feels like Jaime or Tyrion should have that moment.
Jon killing Dany definitely seems like an appropriate Game of Thrones ending.
Curious to see how Tyrion's story ends - if he lives, does he finally get Casterly Rock to himself?
Cersei appeared to manipulate him during their private meeting during the finale. I could actually see him betraying Dany at some point which I would hate to see as he is one of my favorite characters.
Cersei appeared to manipulate him during their private meeting during the finale. I could actually see him betraying Dany at some point which I would hate to see as he is one of my favorite characters.
If the prophecy is to be true, the options of who kills Cersei are somewhat limited.
I can definitely see Tyrion doing it, but in a "blaze of glory" kind of way of killing her, his older sister - his blood, "for the greater good" while allowing a Stark or anyone really to live. Tyrion is Martin's favorite character I don't see him betraying Dany, but who knows, not sure Martin is calling the shots or if he is to what extent.
Plus, not to spoil things if Martin is still involved, but he's said 5 character survive through to the end of the story and Dany was one of them, so if Tyrion (also a survivor) does betray her it won't cause her demise - if Martin still has sway over the plot.
I did read that Benioff and Weiss know Martin's planned ending, if they stay true to that, no idea.
Cersei appeared to manipulate him during their private meeting during the finale. I could actually see him betraying Dany at some point which I would hate to see as he is one of my favorite characters.
If the prophecy is to be true, the options of who kills Cersei are somewhat limited.
I can definitely see Tyrion doing it, but in a "blaze of glory" kind of way of killing her, his older sister - his blood, "for the greater good" while allowing a Stark or anyone really to live. Tyrion is Martin's favorite character I don't see him betraying Dany, but who knows, not sure Martin is calling the shots or if he is to what extent.
Plus, not to spoil things if Martin is still involved, but he's said 5 character survive through to the end of the story and Dany was one of them, so if Tyrion (also a survivor) does betray her it won't cause her demise - if Martin still has sway over the plot.
I did read that Benioff and Weiss know Martin's planned ending, if they stay true to that, no idea.
If he does have influence then I think Arya and Jon Snow also make it to the end. Arya is Martin’s wife’s favorite character and she made him promise that he wouldn’t kill Arya until at least the finale if at all. Personally I think Dany dies but I hope she makes it. I also think Sansa survives and rules winterfell.
Cersei appeared to manipulate him during their private meeting during the finale. I could actually see him betraying Dany at some point which I would hate to see as he is one of my favorite characters.
If the prophecy is to be true, the options of who kills Cersei are somewhat limited.
I can definitely see Tyrion doing it, but in a "blaze of glory" kind of way of killing her, his older sister - his blood, "for the greater good" while allowing a Stark or anyone really to live. Tyrion is Martin's favorite character I don't see him betraying Dany, but who knows, not sure Martin is calling the shots or if he is to what extent.
Plus, not to spoil things if Martin is still involved, but he's said 5 character survive through to the end of the story and Dany was one of them, so if Tyrion (also a survivor) does betray her it won't cause her demise - if Martin still has sway over the plot.
I did read that Benioff and Weiss know Martin's planned ending, if they stay true to that, no idea.
If he does have influence then I think Arya and Jon Snow also make it to the end. Arya is Martin’s wife’s favorite character and she made him promise that he wouldn’t kill Arya until at least the finale if at all. Personally I think Dany dies but I hope she makes it. I also think Sansa survives and rules winterfell.
not sure if it's in total or not, but Martin has said 5 people survive to the end, Dany, Tyrion, Jon Snow, Sansa, and Arya. Not sure if they are the only survivors, if the show writers will be consistent with that, or if it was a ruse by Martin, but he's on record as saying that.
i never considered that as an option, but that could be part of the bittersweet ending Martin has spoken about. Whoever survives the battle of winterfell just decides to stay in the North. Though I guess it seems unlikely there won't be some kind of clegane reunion (among other interactions between people starting the season in the north and south).
The trailer was amazing, I was getting worried at my own lack of excitement in general because so much time has passed, but it really looks like they went all out. I'm a little bit worried about the golden company storyline just bc it's diverged so much from the books and it seems like a risk to introduce any major aspect of the story in the final few episodes.
I don’t see how Cersei survives. Had she not betrayed Dany I think this was possible but unless she successfully defeats Danys army I don’t see anyway they let her live. One thing I wonder is if Daario Naharis is going to play a part with the Golden company. He is nearby after being left to protect Mereen after Dany left behind by Dany. Could he have heard that Euron was hiring the golden company against Dany and he infiltrate the golden company?
I don’t see how Cersei survives. Had she not betrayed Dany I think this was possible but unless she successfully defeats Danys army I don’t see anyway they let her live. One thing I wonder is if Daario Naharis is going to play a part with the Golden company. He is nearby after being left to protect Mereen after Dany left behind by Dany. Could he have heard that Euron was hiring the golden company against Dany and he infiltrate the golden company?
I don’t see how Cersei survives. Had she not betrayed Dany I think this was possible but unless she successfully defeats Danys army I don’t see anyway they let her live. One thing I wonder is if Daario Naharis is going to play a part with the Golden company. He is nearby after being left to protect Mereen after Dany left behind by Dany. Could he have heard that Euron was hiring the golden company against Dany and he infiltrate the golden company?
That's a good golden company theory and aligns with some of themes from the book in terms of various factions with different loyalties embedding themselves within the ranks. Would also have to think there's no way Varys doesn't get some kind of a heads up.
That the key to defeating the nights king lies in the crypt as theories have suggested. The combination of the crypts, Sam, and Bran will figure out how.
That the key to defeating the nights king lies in the crypt as theories have suggested. The combination of the crypts, Sam, and Bran will figure out how.
I could see that - every teaser/trailer has had the crypts involved in some way. We know there's a stark connection. That's probably the safest bet for the final "hodor" moment, hopefully it's just as unexpected in the reveal.
Look at picture 4. If you zoom in at the bottom left of the picture it looks a little like Daario standing on the ship in front of the golden company. Link - ( New Window )
Some betrayals (Jaime/Cersei, Sansa and Littlefinger/Jon Snow), Tyrion seeing Jaime and Cersei again, Jon reunited with Arya...
Or all of that may have happened. I have to start S7. Haha
I would not be the least bit surprised if all the Dragons die or just Drogon survives. It was leaked that this season contains betrayal. The most likely character is Sansa. I could see her becoming a less evil version of Cersei who she admitted she admired and learned a lot from. She clearly desires to rule the north and obviously Jon and Dany stand in her way.
Some betrayals (Jaime/Cersei, Sansa and Littlefinger/Jon Snow), Tyrion seeing Jaime and Cersei again, Jon reunited with Arya...
Or all of that may have happened. I have to start S7. Haha
I would not be the least bit surprised if all the Dragons die or just Drogon survives. It was leaked that this season contains betrayal. The most likely character is Sansa. I could see her becoming a less evil version of Cersei who she admitted she admired and learned a lot from. She clearly desires to rule the north and obviously Jon and Dany stand in her way.
I like that idea. Sansa going Anakin.
And the series contains a lot of foils. Jon Snow and Ramsay Bolton. Ned Stark and Roos. Joffrey and Robb. Jon Snow and Tyrion. Theon and Jon Snow, Jaime and Loris...
Dany is probably the closest foil to Sansa, but they are very similar unlike the previously mentioned pairs. So perhaps, Sansa does go to the Dark Side and aligns herself with Littlefinger against her family.
Look at picture 4. If you zoom in at the bottom left of the picture it looks a little like Daario standing on the ship in front of the golden company. Link - ( New Window )
I don't see it. Male, dark hair, facial hair, but I don't see much of a resemblance. Maybe I'm not looking in the same spot. Or maybe the photo is just too pixellated when I zoom in to 1200% lol.
Look at picture 4. If you zoom in at the bottom left of the picture it looks a little like Daario standing on the ship in front of the golden company. Link - ( New Window )
I don't see it. Male, dark hair, facial hair, but I don't see much of a resemblance. Maybe I'm not looking in the same spot. Or maybe the photo is just too pixellated when I zoom in to 1200% lol.
It's probably nobody but he is wearing different armor than the rest of the soldier and it is dark just like Daario's.
I don't think there is going to be a happy ending to this show. I feel like it could go in a million different directions. For some reason I picture the final scene showing some character (Cersei or the King of the Walkers in my mind) slowly descending to the seated position on the thrown with every one of us watching with our jaws dropped in total shock.
I don't think there is going to be a happy ending to this show. I feel like it could go in a million different directions. For some reason I picture the final scene showing some character (Cersei or the King of the Walkers in my mind) slowly descending to the seated position on the thrown with every one of us watching with our jaws dropped in total shock.
Martin has said it's a bittersweet ending, and he's said the show writers know his plans for the ending, if they stick to it, none of us knows.
If he's right and the 5 people he's said survive, actually do (Tyrion, Dany, Jon, Sansa, and Arya) then Bran could be the "sacrifice" or Jamie.
Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
I don't think there is going to be a happy ending to this show. I feel like it could go in a million different directions. For some reason I picture the final scene showing some character (Cersei or the King of the Walkers in my mind) slowly descending to the seated position on the thrown with every one of us watching with our jaws dropped in total shock.
Martin has said it's a bittersweet ending, and he's said the show writers know his plans for the ending, if they stick to it, none of us knows.
If he's right and the 5 people he's said survive, actually do (Tyrion, Dany, Jon, Sansa, and Arya) then Bran could be the "sacrifice" or Jamie.
Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
The other way I could see it, is the character who is sitting down wasn't always evil. And only at the end becomes evil, surprising all of us. Leaving us thinking well, the one I wanted on the thrown is there now. Ha ha
Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
He's dead.
So we are led to believe, but there are reddit theories that he is actually alive and well.
Arya slashed his throat in front of many at winterfell.
the theory is that it was a "faceless man", not Littlefinger. Only problem I have with that theory is I thought in order to wear someone's face they had to be dead, but if you can get past that, this theory makes a little sense or at least is somewhat believable for the story.
because they went out of their way to neuter him on the show for the last several seasons to the point where he was basically dead weight. Hard to believe they’d go back on that.
on Reddit and YouTube are pushing the Winterfell crypts theory - the name itself signifying the place where the White Walkers (Winter) were previously defeated by the Starks. Perhaps they have some unfinished business with them - that would be freaking amazing. It also makes the Kings Landing drama seem completely insignificant, but oh well.
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If I was going to gamble I'd bet on Davos, if you want a long shot
Daenerys Targaryen (2:1)
Jon Snow (2:1)
Bran Stark (3.5:1)
The Night King (10:1)
Tyrion Lannister (12.5:1)
Cersei Lannister (15:1)
Jaime Lannister (15:1)
Sansa Stark (25:1)
Arya Stark (40:1)
Euron Greyjoy (50:1)
Varys (75:1)
Gendry (75:1)
Samwell Tarly (75:1)
Melisandre (100:1)
Theon Greyjoy (100:1)
Jaqen H’ghar (100:1)
Brienne of Tarth (100:1)
Jorah Mormont (100:1)
Bronn (100:1)
Tormund Giantsbane (100:1)
Davos Seaworth (100:1)
The Hound (100:1)
Gilly (100:1)
Daario Naharis (100:1)
Yara Greyjoy (100:1)
The Mountain (150:1)
Hmmn... I just read odds from a Vegas online website a bit differently. They have Bran Stark the overwhelming favorite (-130), with Jon Snow at 2:1 and Daenerys at 3:1.
I do wonder if Daenerys and Jon have a son this season and the 'bittersweet moment' is the son becomes King and inherits a peaceful realm, but both his parents have died on the quest. Or at least Daenerys dies during child birth (which I guess would make Jon the king).
My money is on Jon with Daenerys dying at the end.
I just can't see Bran ending up on the throne - that would be disappointing.
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Hmmn... I just read odds from a Vegas online website a bit differently. They have Bran Stark the overwhelming favorite (-130), with Jon Snow at 2:1 and Daenerys at 3:1.
I do wonder if Daenerys and Jon have a son this season and the 'bittersweet moment' is the son becomes King and inherits a peaceful realm, but both his parents have died on the quest. Or at least Daenerys dies during child birth (which I guess would make Jon the king).
My money is on Jon with Daenerys dying at the end.
I just can't see Bran ending up on the throne - that would be disappointing.
I feel like it can't be Bran simply because I don't think he would take the thrown. He seems to be too in to the whole one eye'd raven thing. He almost seems like he wants no part of being amongst people.
regarding Bran and the Night King that may be leading to those odds. I don't think it's spoilers because it's just speculation but I'll link the theory instead of typing it. Some of these theories have been spot on in the past Link - ( New Window )
regarding Bran and the Night King that may be leading to those odds. I don't think it's spoilers because it's just speculation but I'll link the theory instead of typing it. Some of these theories have been spot on in the past Link - ( New Window )
I've read this and for the reasons they point out I don't think it's realistic. If they do decide to go with a plot like this I think there will be a lot of confusion.
I can't wrap my mind around the Bran/Night King theory. Â
Was the Night King around for the famous Hodor moment in the cave? What if he and Bran had come face to face during that chase?
I've also considered the possibility that Bran wargs into the Night King while the Night King is battling Jon (that showdown seems inevitable), and lets Jon kill him - that's the "bittersweet" moment. Doesn't really make sense though - couldn't Bran warg into him at any time and kill himself to end this threat?
I raised questions about Bran earlier in this thread - I feel like he's going to be involved in something mind-blowing, but I can't decide what.
regarding Bran and the Night King that may be leading to those odds. I don't think it's spoilers because it's just speculation but I'll link the theory instead of typing it. Some of these theories have been spot on in the past Link - ( New Window )
I've read this and for the reasons they point out I don't think it's realistic. If they do decide to go with a plot like this I think there will be a lot of confusion.
I didn't realize that NK is a show-only entity. One would think that likely kills the B=NK idea, but who knows.
I'll personally be really furious if B=NK proves to be true, for the reason that the prior link points out -- It would mean that Bran could effectively be conscious/active in 2 times/persons at the same time, which has kind of been one of the inferred 'rules' of this fantasy.
I'm totally willing to suspend disbelief and nerd out on stuff like this. I really enjoy it. But when things start to play outside of their own boundaries they've kinda set for themselves, I anger pretty quickly. It would be a major letdown in that sense.
He was unaware of his lineage when he "bent the knee" to Dany, but he still bent the knee and will honor that. Also, I doubt he wants the throne, nor does Bran. The northerners don't care much for Kings Landing. Makes it very interesting - Dany seems the most predictable, but Game of Thrones is never predictable.
We will see Lady Stoneheart (Catelyn Stark) sometime during this last season
That would be great, it's been a glaring omission from the show. My only theory is they didn't want to take away from the Jon Snow death/resurrection later on, but it's still a badass character.
We will see Lady Stoneheart (Catelyn Stark) sometime during this last season
I've read this too, hard to see how they introduce her at this point, especially with just 6 episodes left, but of course this is all new plot, so they could come up with something.
What's striking to me is if you compare these seasons of GOT to movies, it's sort of staggering.
I thought the LOTR trilogy movies were long, and those books were massive too.
But if you add up the time of 8 seasons of GOT, with 6 - 10 episodes each and you calculate it as a hour per episode you have approximately 73 hours of GOT.
That's over 20 3 hour movies.
Do you think if they tried to make movies instead of shows they could/would have compressed it into less or maybe one movie per book?
What's striking to me is if you compare these seasons of GOT to movies, it's sort of staggering.
I thought the LOTR trilogy movies were long, and those books were massive too.
But if you add up the time of 8 seasons of GOT, with 6 - 10 episodes each and you calculate it as a hour per episode you have approximately 73 hours of GOT.
That's over 20 3 hour movies.
Do you think if they tried to make movies instead of shows they could/would have compressed it into less or maybe one movie per book?
Can you even compare it this way?
I think there was some stuff that dragged for us as viewers, but I think a lot of that was anticipation for things to come making that dragging seem worse. Like wanting Dany to get out of the Red Sea, get some boats and cross the damn ocean already.
With so many characters & their story lines(and with so much more from the books not used or altered), the show still had moments where they struggled conveying time.
I think it would be almost impossible to do these in a traditional film format and we're seeing the strength of the series format.
They could have spent a whole episode on Gendry running back to the wall. Dude was booking, not only did he make it back to the wall in like 5 minutes, he also seemed to get a message to Danny in no time. Those message ravens were flying at mach speed.
It would end up being way too similar to LotR. The sense of time/pacing (pre-S6/S7 at least) and the building up story/character arcs are part of what makes the show so great.
They could have spent a whole episode on Gendry running back to the wall. Dude was booking, not only did he make it back to the wall in like 5 minutes, he also seemed to get a message to Danny in no time. Those message ravens were flying at mach speed.
That's the struggling I was referring to. There are estimates out there for taking a horse & wagon from Winterfell to King's Landing would take over 2 months. How would you show that, and who would want to watch it?
So the time still gets fucky on the show and that's with 70+ hours of run time.
when i say "anything" i mean right in your face. I'm sure reddit concluded the final scene from the trailer somehow
Oh yeah, there's frame-by-frame analysis going on as we speak.
when i say "anything" i mean right in your face. I'm sure reddit concluded the final scene from the trailer somehow
That is pretty damn funny, and definitely true.
when i say "anything" i mean right in your face. I'm sure reddit concluded the final scene from the trailer somehow
I think they purposely put in one or two minor reveals in these that can only be figured out by the crazies on Reddit--keeps their most rabid fans into it.
Looked like the Battle of Winterfell that was about to begin at the end of the trailer. Detail in the link. I seriously cannot wait for this
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I can't wait. Pretty soon, my wife will be running out of the living room on Sunday nights again when she hears the theme song start. :D
Do you mind linking where that was shot down? Dont have time to Google rn. Thanks!
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Now is this just a coincidence, or hint at something more? Is the Bran we know, Bran the Builder gone back in time? And if so, then some form of time machinations (I won't call it travel) seem likely to play into the end of the story.
Maybe it counteracts the incest?
Thanks for sharing this, I had never known of that possible connection.
Another thing that's been hinted - which may or may not involve Bran - is the possible connection between the Starks and the White Walkers, and how that may save them. Is the Night King a Stark? Is there something in the crypts of Winterfell that could save them? It hasn't been explored as much in the show, but you repeatedly hear the Starks say, "There must always be a Stark at Winterfell." It sounds like there's something more to that than just an innocent family mantra.
My money is on Jammie or if he dies Arya takes his face.
His story is my favorite as well followed by Arya. The main stories are great but you for the most part know what they are. These allow a little flexibility in what they can do.
If that doesn't happen, I suspect Tyrion is involved in some way in her death.
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I kind of thought he'd just wind up intertwined with a tree and left to live out his life through the raven and warging.
And I was initially disappointed he couldn't use animals (or people) the way Beastmaster did and help in battle more or even do things like save Rickon. He already mastered his "trade" by then, so I wasn't going to say avoid the red wedding or his fathers beheading, but saving Rickon seems like he should have been able to do by maybe warging into one of Ramsey's dogs or something and turn on him.
I kind of thought he'd just wind up intertwined with a tree and left to live out his life through the raven and warging.
And I was initially disappointed he couldn't use animals (or people) the way Beastmaster did and help in battle more or even do things like save Rickon. He already mastered his "trade" by then, so I wasn't going to say avoid the red wedding or his fathers beheading, but saving Rickon seems like he should have been able to do by maybe warging into one of Ramsey's dogs or something and turn on him.
But there weren't any dogs on the battlefield, I don't think. Ricon (who is such a throwaway character) was killed by Ramsay's arrow.
I could see Bran becoming a tree. He's as useful as one.
I kind of thought he'd just wind up intertwined with a tree and left to live out his life through the raven and warging.
And I was initially disappointed he couldn't use animals (or people) the way Beastmaster did and help in battle more or even do things like save Rickon. He already mastered his "trade" by then, so I wasn't going to say avoid the red wedding or his fathers beheading, but saving Rickon seems like he should have been able to do by maybe warging into one of Ramsey's dogs or something and turn on him.
The problem is once he became the Three-Eyed Raven he was no longer Bran Stark. This comes up when someone tells him he's the true heir to Winterfell and he responds something along the lines of "nah." I think he's singularly focused on defeating the Night's King (although I could be wrong, because he does tell Sansa that Littlefinger betrayed Ned).
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is definitely interesting, but way too boring to spend a ton of time in a final season with just 6 episodes.
I kind of thought he'd just wind up intertwined with a tree and left to live out his life through the raven and warging.
And I was initially disappointed he couldn't use animals (or people) the way Beastmaster did and help in battle more or even do things like save Rickon. He already mastered his "trade" by then, so I wasn't going to say avoid the red wedding or his fathers beheading, but saving Rickon seems like he should have been able to do by maybe warging into one of Ramsey's dogs or something and turn on him.
The problem is once he became the Three-Eyed Raven he was no longer Bran Stark. This comes up when someone tells him he's the true heir to Winterfell and he responds something along the lines of "nah." I think he's singularly focused on defeating the Night's King (although I could be wrong, because he does tell Sansa that Littlefinger betrayed Ned).
Kind of like how Arya was a no-name
You can say that Sersei is redeemable by how much she loved her children and how she would do anything for them. Ramsay was just plain mentally insane, and Joffrey was weak and inadequate, which translated into his cruelness.
You can say that Sersei is redeemable by how much she loved her children and how she would do anything for them. Ramsay was just plain mentally insane, and Joffrey was weak and inadequate, which translated into his cruelness.
Cersei is my far the worst character. She is essentially the Mad Queen. I predicted that Jaime would face an almost exact situation as he faced with the Mad King. He will plead for her to surrender and she will order Qyburn to burn the entire city and Jaime will kill them both.
Mind would...be.......blown
I think Jon Snow's a fairly popular character. The actor who plays him is a little stiff, but I think most people root for the character to kick ass. Arya's the most popular of the family though.
I'm thinking that the other revelation is that Night King is a stark or Bran is Brandon the builder.
It can only be something unthinkable that scares Arya in the beginning of the trailer. I'm thinking that either a dead relative who was awaken by the night king. If it was just a bunch of white walkers I think she would have stood her ground and fought them but it is clearly something significant.
Another explanation is that she could just be setting a trap like she did in Braavos.
Tyrion killing Cersei would be more telegraphed than Jamie IMO.
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I get that we've already seen whole skeletons fighting and all but some of these dead Starks have been there for thousands of years. Would there even be anything left? If it turns out this was always part of the story plan from George RR Martin, my guess is the point of it was to get Lyanna reanimated and have some kind of interplay with Jon Snow. That would be kind of brutal actually for Jon to have to see and deal with that.
It can only be something unthinkable that scares Arya in the beginning of the trailer. I'm thinking that either a dead relative who was awaken by the night king. If it was just a bunch of white walkers I think she would have stood her ground and fought them but it is clearly something significant.
Another explanation is that she could just be setting a trap like she did in Braavos.
Maybe the shows version of a lady stone heart
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Although that's kinda telegraphed, so maybe that doesn't count as a surprise.
Tyrion killing Cersei would be more telegraphed than Jamie IMO.
Arya using Jammie’s face killing Cersei?
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toward the end of the story, when George RR Martin told them - the Hodor revelation, and something that happens at the very end. If that other shocker is dead Starks rising from the crypts to fight with or against the Army of the Dead, it would be insane.
I'm thinking that the other revelation is that Night King is a stark or Bran is Brandon the builder.
Maybe John is azor ahai and has to kill Daenerys to be able to kill the night king?
Jon killing Dany definitely seems like an appropriate Game of Thrones ending.
Curious to see how Tyrion's story ends - if he lives, does he finally get Casterly Rock to himself?
If the prophecy is to be true, the options of who kills Cersei are somewhat limited.
I can definitely see Tyrion doing it, but in a "blaze of glory" kind of way of killing her, his older sister - his blood, "for the greater good" while allowing a Stark or anyone really to live. Tyrion is Martin's favorite character I don't see him betraying Dany, but who knows, not sure Martin is calling the shots or if he is to what extent.
Plus, not to spoil things if Martin is still involved, but he's said 5 character survive through to the end of the story and Dany was one of them, so if Tyrion (also a survivor) does betray her it won't cause her demise - if Martin still has sway over the plot.
I did read that Benioff and Weiss know Martin's planned ending, if they stay true to that, no idea.
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Cersei appeared to manipulate him during their private meeting during the finale. I could actually see him betraying Dany at some point which I would hate to see as he is one of my favorite characters.
If the prophecy is to be true, the options of who kills Cersei are somewhat limited.
I can definitely see Tyrion doing it, but in a "blaze of glory" kind of way of killing her, his older sister - his blood, "for the greater good" while allowing a Stark or anyone really to live. Tyrion is Martin's favorite character I don't see him betraying Dany, but who knows, not sure Martin is calling the shots or if he is to what extent.
Plus, not to spoil things if Martin is still involved, but he's said 5 character survive through to the end of the story and Dany was one of them, so if Tyrion (also a survivor) does betray her it won't cause her demise - if Martin still has sway over the plot.
I did read that Benioff and Weiss know Martin's planned ending, if they stay true to that, no idea.
If he does have influence then I think Arya and Jon Snow also make it to the end. Arya is Martin’s wife’s favorite character and she made him promise that he wouldn’t kill Arya until at least the finale if at all. Personally I think Dany dies but I hope she makes it. I also think Sansa survives and rules winterfell.
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Cersei appeared to manipulate him during their private meeting during the finale. I could actually see him betraying Dany at some point which I would hate to see as he is one of my favorite characters.
If the prophecy is to be true, the options of who kills Cersei are somewhat limited.
I can definitely see Tyrion doing it, but in a "blaze of glory" kind of way of killing her, his older sister - his blood, "for the greater good" while allowing a Stark or anyone really to live. Tyrion is Martin's favorite character I don't see him betraying Dany, but who knows, not sure Martin is calling the shots or if he is to what extent.
Plus, not to spoil things if Martin is still involved, but he's said 5 character survive through to the end of the story and Dany was one of them, so if Tyrion (also a survivor) does betray her it won't cause her demise - if Martin still has sway over the plot.
I did read that Benioff and Weiss know Martin's planned ending, if they stay true to that, no idea.
If he does have influence then I think Arya and Jon Snow also make it to the end. Arya is Martin’s wife’s favorite character and she made him promise that he wouldn’t kill Arya until at least the finale if at all. Personally I think Dany dies but I hope she makes it. I also think Sansa survives and rules winterfell.
not sure if it's in total or not, but Martin has said 5 people survive to the end, Dany, Tyrion, Jon Snow, Sansa, and Arya. Not sure if they are the only survivors, if the show writers will be consistent with that, or if it was a ruse by Martin, but he's on record as saying that.
The trailer was amazing, I was getting worried at my own lack of excitement in general because so much time has passed, but it really looks like they went all out. I'm a little bit worried about the golden company storyline just bc it's diverged so much from the books and it seems like a risk to introduce any major aspect of the story in the final few episodes.
I definitely don't think Cersei survives.
That's a good golden company theory and aligns with some of themes from the book in terms of various factions with different loyalties embedding themselves within the ranks. Would also have to think there's no way Varys doesn't get some kind of a heads up.
I could see that - every teaser/trailer has had the crypts involved in some way. We know there's a stark connection. That's probably the safest bet for the final "hodor" moment, hopefully it's just as unexpected in the reveal.
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Or all of that may have happened. I have to start S7. Haha
Or all of that may have happened. I have to start S7. Haha
Dude, stop posting and start watching S7!
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Some betrayals (Jaime/Cersei, Sansa and Littlefinger/Jon Snow), Tyrion seeing Jaime and Cersei again, Jon reunited with Arya...
Or all of that may have happened. I have to start S7. Haha
Dude, stop posting and start watching S7!
I'm at work! Haha
Or all of that may have happened. I have to start S7. Haha
I would not be the least bit surprised if all the Dragons die or just Drogon survives. It was leaked that this season contains betrayal. The most likely character is Sansa. I could see her becoming a less evil version of Cersei who she admitted she admired and learned a lot from. She clearly desires to rule the north and obviously Jon and Dany stand in her way.
It's cool. I don't mind spoilers
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Some betrayals (Jaime/Cersei, Sansa and Littlefinger/Jon Snow), Tyrion seeing Jaime and Cersei again, Jon reunited with Arya...
Or all of that may have happened. I have to start S7. Haha
I would not be the least bit surprised if all the Dragons die or just Drogon survives. It was leaked that this season contains betrayal. The most likely character is Sansa. I could see her becoming a less evil version of Cersei who she admitted she admired and learned a lot from. She clearly desires to rule the north and obviously Jon and Dany stand in her way.
I like that idea. Sansa going Anakin.
And the series contains a lot of foils. Jon Snow and Ramsay Bolton. Ned Stark and Roos. Joffrey and Robb. Jon Snow and Tyrion. Theon and Jon Snow, Jaime and Loris...
Dany is probably the closest foil to Sansa, but they are very similar unlike the previously mentioned pairs. So perhaps, Sansa does go to the Dark Side and aligns herself with Littlefinger against her family.
I don't see it. Male, dark hair, facial hair, but I don't see much of a resemblance. Maybe I'm not looking in the same spot. Or maybe the photo is just too pixellated when I zoom in to 1200% lol.
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Look at picture 4. If you zoom in at the bottom left of the picture it looks a little like Daario standing on the ship in front of the golden company. Link - ( New Window )
I don't see it. Male, dark hair, facial hair, but I don't see much of a resemblance. Maybe I'm not looking in the same spot. Or maybe the photo is just too pixellated when I zoom in to 1200% lol.
It's probably nobody but he is wearing different armor than the rest of the soldier and it is dark just like Daario's.
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Although that's kinda telegraphed, so maybe that doesn't count as a surprise.
Tyrion killing Cersei would be more telegraphed than Jamie IMO.
I think Tyrion certainly has more reason for killing her.
Martin has said it's a bittersweet ending, and he's said the show writers know his plans for the ending, if they stick to it, none of us knows.
If he's right and the 5 people he's said survive, actually do (Tyrion, Dany, Jon, Sansa, and Arya) then Bran could be the "sacrifice" or Jamie.
Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
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Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
He's dead.
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I don't think there is going to be a happy ending to this show. I feel like it could go in a million different directions. For some reason I picture the final scene showing some character (Cersei or the King of the Walkers in my mind) slowly descending to the seated position on the thrown with every one of us watching with our jaws dropped in total shock.
Martin has said it's a bittersweet ending, and he's said the show writers know his plans for the ending, if they stick to it, none of us knows.
If he's right and the 5 people he's said survive, actually do (Tyrion, Dany, Jon, Sansa, and Arya) then Bran could be the "sacrifice" or Jamie.
Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
The other way I could see it, is the character who is sitting down wasn't always evil. And only at the end becomes evil, surprising all of us. Leaving us thinking well, the one I wanted on the thrown is there now. Ha ha
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Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
He's dead.
So we are led to believe, but there are reddit theories that he is actually alive and well.
Sam is George R.R. Martin. Mind. BLOWN.
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Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
He's dead.
So we are led to believe, but there are reddit theories that he is actually alive and well.
Arya slashed his throat in front of many at winterfell.
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Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
He's dead.
So we are led to believe, but there are reddit theories that he is actually alive and well.
Arya slashed his throat in front of many at winterfell.
the theory is that it was a "faceless man", not Littlefinger. Only problem I have with that theory is I thought in order to wear someone's face they had to be dead, but if you can get past that, this theory makes a little sense or at least is somewhat believable for the story.
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Daenerys Targaryen (2:1)
Jon Snow (2:1)
Bran Stark (3.5:1)
The Night King (10:1)
Tyrion Lannister (12.5:1)
Cersei Lannister (15:1)
Jaime Lannister (15:1)
Sansa Stark (25:1)
Arya Stark (40:1)
Euron Greyjoy (50:1)
Varys (75:1)
Gendry (75:1)
Samwell Tarly (75:1)
Melisandre (100:1)
Theon Greyjoy (100:1)
Jaqen H’ghar (100:1)
Brienne of Tarth (100:1)
Jorah Mormont (100:1)
Bronn (100:1)
Tormund Giantsbane (100:1)
Davos Seaworth (100:1)
The Hound (100:1)
Gilly (100:1)
Daario Naharis (100:1)
Yara Greyjoy (100:1)
The Mountain (150:1)
I want it to be the Sweetrobin (Robin Arryn). Would actually make some sense and would fit his subversion of the trope.
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is Sam writing A Song of Ice and Fire sometime in the future.
Sam is George R.R. Martin. Mind. BLOWN.
If Sam is GRRM then the he won’t write shit. Or will in another 26-30 years. I’ll be dead or too old to give a shit
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Can't think of many other characters whose death would make things bittersweet, and I do think Littlefinger has a role down the stretch.
He's dead.
Welcome back big guy!
Daenerys Targaryen (2:1)
Jon Snow (2:1)
Bran Stark (3.5:1)
The Night King (10:1)
Tyrion Lannister (12.5:1)
Cersei Lannister (15:1)
Jaime Lannister (15:1)
Sansa Stark (25:1)
Arya Stark (40:1)
Euron Greyjoy (50:1)
Varys (75:1)
Gendry (75:1)
Samwell Tarly (75:1)
Melisandre (100:1)
Theon Greyjoy (100:1)
Jaqen H’ghar (100:1)
Brienne of Tarth (100:1)
Jorah Mormont (100:1)
Bronn (100:1)
Tormund Giantsbane (100:1)
Davos Seaworth (100:1)
The Hound (100:1)
Gilly (100:1)
Daario Naharis (100:1)
Yara Greyjoy (100:1)
The Mountain (150:1)
Hmmn... I just read odds from a Vegas online website a bit differently. They have Bran Stark the overwhelming favorite (-130), with Jon Snow at 2:1 and Daenerys at 3:1.
I do wonder if Daenerys and Jon have a son this season and the 'bittersweet moment' is the son becomes King and inherits a peaceful realm, but both his parents have died on the quest. Or at least Daenerys dies during child birth (which I guess would make Jon the king).
My money is on Jon with Daenerys dying at the end.
I just can't see Bran ending up on the throne - that would be disappointing.
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Hmmn... I just read odds from a Vegas online website a bit differently. They have Bran Stark the overwhelming favorite (-130), with Jon Snow at 2:1 and Daenerys at 3:1.
I do wonder if Daenerys and Jon have a son this season and the 'bittersweet moment' is the son becomes King and inherits a peaceful realm, but both his parents have died on the quest. Or at least Daenerys dies during child birth (which I guess would make Jon the king).
My money is on Jon with Daenerys dying at the end.
I just can't see Bran ending up on the throne - that would be disappointing.
I feel like it can't be Bran simply because I don't think he would take the thrown. He seems to be too in to the whole one eye'd raven thing. He almost seems like he wants no part of being amongst people.
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I've read this and for the reasons they point out I don't think it's realistic. If they do decide to go with a plot like this I think there will be a lot of confusion.
I've also considered the possibility that Bran wargs into the Night King while the Night King is battling Jon (that showdown seems inevitable), and lets Jon kill him - that's the "bittersweet" moment. Doesn't really make sense though - couldn't Bran warg into him at any time and kill himself to end this threat?
I raised questions about Bran earlier in this thread - I feel like he's going to be involved in something mind-blowing, but I can't decide what.
He's not of the surviving 5 according to Martin, if you buy that as truthful.
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I've read this and for the reasons they point out I don't think it's realistic. If they do decide to go with a plot like this I think there will be a lot of confusion.
I didn't realize that NK is a show-only entity. One would think that likely kills the B=NK idea, but who knows.
I'll personally be really furious if B=NK proves to be true, for the reason that the prior link points out -- It would mean that Bran could effectively be conscious/active in 2 times/persons at the same time, which has kind of been one of the inferred 'rules' of this fantasy.
I'm totally willing to suspend disbelief and nerd out on stuff like this. I really enjoy it. But when things start to play outside of their own boundaries they've kinda set for themselves, I anger pretty quickly. It would be a major letdown in that sense.
That would be great, it's been a glaring omission from the show. My only theory is they didn't want to take away from the Jon Snow death/resurrection later on, but it's still a badass character.
I've read this too, hard to see how they introduce her at this point, especially with just 6 episodes left, but of course this is all new plot, so they could come up with something.
Most of us were under the impression that the wait was so long for only 6 final episodes because those 6 episodes were going to be massive.
Looks like that's not going to be the case:
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Most of us were under the impression that the wait was so long for only 6 final episodes because those 6 episodes were going to be massive.
Looks like that's not going to be the case: link - ( New Window )
It’s been known for awhile the first two will be normal length while the remainder will be 80-90 minutes long
Episode 1) :54
Episode 2) :58
Episode 3) 1:22
Episode 4) 1:18
Episode 5) 1:20
Episode 6) 1:20
Episode 1) :54
Episode 2) :58
Episode 3) 1:22
Episode 4) 1:18
Episode 5) 1:20
Episode 6) 1:20
What's striking to me is if you compare these seasons of GOT to movies, it's sort of staggering.
I thought the LOTR trilogy movies were long, and those books were massive too.
But if you add up the time of 8 seasons of GOT, with 6 - 10 episodes each and you calculate it as a hour per episode you have approximately 73 hours of GOT.
That's over 20 3 hour movies.
Do you think if they tried to make movies instead of shows they could/would have compressed it into less or maybe one movie per book?
Can you even compare it this way?
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Episode 1) :54
Episode 2) :58
Episode 3) 1:22
Episode 4) 1:18
Episode 5) 1:20
Episode 6) 1:20
What's striking to me is if you compare these seasons of GOT to movies, it's sort of staggering.
I thought the LOTR trilogy movies were long, and those books were massive too.
But if you add up the time of 8 seasons of GOT, with 6 - 10 episodes each and you calculate it as a hour per episode you have approximately 73 hours of GOT.
That's over 20 3 hour movies.
Do you think if they tried to make movies instead of shows they could/would have compressed it into less or maybe one movie per book?
Can you even compare it this way?
I think there was some stuff that dragged for us as viewers, but I think a lot of that was anticipation for things to come making that dragging seem worse. Like wanting Dany to get out of the Red Sea, get some boats and cross the damn ocean already.
With so many characters & their story lines(and with so much more from the books not used or altered), the show still had moments where they struggled conveying time.
I think it would be almost impossible to do these in a traditional film format and we're seeing the strength of the series format.
Not exactly apples to apples, but sort of similar.
That's the struggling I was referring to. There are estimates out there for taking a horse & wagon from Winterfell to King's Landing would take over 2 months. How would you show that, and who would want to watch it?
So the time still gets fucky on the show and that's with 70+ hours of run time.