the only thing that makes some of the rumors easier to stomach is if it helps us get Q Williams, Bosa or even Kyler Murray (although losing OBJ and getting Murray would also be a tough pill to swallow)
Even if it's two first rounders i'd wager next year is a lower pick than 17 with OBJ on that team.
I’ve never posted asshat info before, but I have a close connection to a giants player. Word is there is def legs to this rumor, but no one knows who or what’s involved. But, OBJ and this player believe he’s going to be traded to the Browns. Again, not earth shattering stuff to what’s being put out there but do know it’s not just random and made up, it has legs. Obviously if I get anything more concrete I’ll share, but I won’t start a thread on it, prob post discretely.
Someone said it was OBJ for Zeitler, Ogbah, and a 2 &4. I'm all trading him, but I need a 1 back
If this turned out to be true I would officially be done with DG. I'm giving him time at this point, but if you don't get a 1 and other assets for Odell then you suck. Unless Baker was in the trade. Which isn't happening.
is Ogbah, a 1st this year, and a conditional 2nd in 2019. The condition is that it becomes a 1st if the Browns make the playoffs or Beckham is an all-pro.
Someone said it was OBJ for Zeitler, Ogbah, and a 2 &4. I'm all trading him, but I need a 1 back
If this turned out to be true I would officially be done with DG. I'm giving him time at this point, but if you don't get a 1 and other assets for Odell then you suck. Unless Baker was in the trade. Which isn't happening.
Gettleman will definitely lose me quickly if he sends Beckham packing for a crappy return.
I think the blame there would lie with Mara for signing off on the contract last offseason. The high point to trade Beckham (in terms of getting value back) was after 2016 - the last good healthy year he had.
Signing him to the contract was idiotic if the feeling in the building was that Beckham was on a short leash.
DG is going to get their 2020 #1 pick to give us 2 first rounders
To move up next year and grab Tua, Herbert or Fromm. Along with another player this year like Zeitler. Just a thought
Gettleman will definitely lose me quickly if he sends Beckham packing for a crappy return.
I think the blame there would lie with Mara for signing off on the contract last offseason. The high point to trade Beckham (in terms of getting value back) was after 2016 - the last good healthy year he had.
Signing him to the contract was idiotic if the feeling in the building was that Beckham was on a short leash.
Or we could have lost him to FA for nothing instead of having him as a very tradeable asset
Gettleman will definitely lose me quickly if he sends Beckham packing for a crappy return.
I think the blame there would lie with Mara for signing off on the contract last offseason. The high point to trade Beckham (in terms of getting value back) was after 2016 - the last good healthy year he had.
Signing him to the contract was idiotic if the feeling in the building was that Beckham was on a short leash.
It would just be really stupid.
I'm not so attached to Beckham that I am unwilling to trade him regardless of return - but if we're going to sign him just to turn around and deal him for a suboptimal return, saddle ourselves with more dead cap, and create an additional gaping roster hole, then I'd have to join the chorus of "what the fuck" 's.
If Gettleman trades him for a haul, I'm good with that. But don't sign the guy just to give him away. That's compounding one purported mistake with a worse one.
RE: RE: Speculation that the other player is Ogbah Â
Someone said it was OBJ for Zeitler, Ogbah, and a 2 &4. I'm all trading him, but I need a 1 back
That would be awful.
Agreed. That’s a terrible return. Zeitler is not an unuseful player but he’s clearly a guy who is on Olivier Vernon territory with them that they’re looking to shave off roster and the cap.
I’d be intrigued with a Jabril Peppers especially in a Bettcher style defense. But you have to get a 1 and a 2 in draft picks. I don’t think you’re going to get two Number 1s.
But I’d do a 1 and 2 and a useful young talented player that fills our roster.
He was still under contract for the 2018 season...it's not like the Giants were under a time constraint. If the front office were at a "one more strike and we're trading you" stance with Beckham then paying him was really, really stupid. It devalued him in the trade market and it ensured that the Giants would take on dead money to trade him.
They should have just traded him last offseason if it were going to come to this.
To be fair, no trade has been announced. But there's been a boatload of smoke around this for months, including the possible new asshat info above in this thread.
You might as well release Eli and totally tank, go 0-16, and get the #1 pick in Next years draft.
It would create a big quandary at WR. My guess is Jints Central has to dip into FA and go for Golden Tate or Randall Cobb. Or maybe Demaryius Thomas is he's recovered from the tough injury he sustained late last year...
I wouldn't be as worried about the WR position. If a trade were to go down (huge 'if'), I'd like to see the Giants take advantage of the supposedly strong TE draft and get a guy (or even two) to group with Engram. Passing out of 12 personnel was a full YPA better than passing out of 11 last season, and it seems like a great way to make Barkley's and Eli's lives easier. I really like the Iowa TE.
He was still under contract for the 2018 season...it's not like the Giants were under a time constraint. If the front office were at a "one more strike and we're trading you" stance with Beckham then paying him was really, really stupid. It devalued him in the trade market and it ensured that the Giants would take on dead money to trade him.
They should have just traded him last offseason if it were going to come to this.
How is he devalued? Who is giving up a lot for a player whose contract would expire and then they get into the franchise tag games? In fact, it is very easy to make the argument that he is more valuable now on a long term deal that'll be very team friendly to a new club if traded.
And what do you care about cap space? You want everybody on vet min deals. What good is the cap space if we aren't using it?
You might as well release Eli and totally tank, go 0-16, and get the #1 pick in Next years draft.
It would create a big quandary at WR. My guess is Jints Central has to dip into FA and go for Golden Tate or Randall Cobb. Or maybe Demaryius Thomas is he's recovered from the tough injury he sustained late last year...
Thomas was starting to look finished before the achilles injury and legal trouble. I wouldn't touch that guy with a 100 foot pole.
I think Cobb is cooked, too.
Tate is still really good - super productive, super tough slot guy. But then that moves Shepard outside on a near-permanent basis and I'm not sure that's going to be his best spot.
I wouldn't be as worried about the WR position. If a trade were to go down (huge 'if'), I'd like to see the Giants take advantage of the supposedly strong TE draft and get a guy (or even two) to group with Engram. Passing out of 12 personnel was a full YPA better than passing out of 11 last season, and it seems like a great way to make Barkley's and Eli's lives easier. I really like the Iowa TE.
Huge amounts of play action out of 2 TE sets.
Was this a leaguewide stat or a Giants stat? I love 12 personnel. Always have.
But if you are using last year's stats to justify what is going to happen last year that is just silly. Talk about skewed stats.
terps def creams his pants everytime an OBJ trade rumor comes up. i seriously think he would be happy if he found out we were getting a football brush for OBJ
He was still under contract for the 2018 season...it's not like the Giants were under a time constraint. If the front office were at a "one more strike and we're trading you" stance with Beckham then paying him was really, really stupid. It devalued him in the trade market and it ensured that the Giants would take on dead money to trade him.
They should have just traded him last offseason if it were going to come to this.
How is he devalued? Who is giving up a lot for a player whose contract would expire and then they get into the franchise tag games? In fact, it is very easy to make the argument that he is more valuable now on a long term deal that'll be very team friendly to a new club if traded.
And what do you care about cap space? You want everybody on vet min deals. What good is the cap space if we aren't using it?
Stop making sense robbie. The Jints Central Duo said the Giants lack a plan.
not this year at least. The FA market is empty pretty much and we have no one after OBJ. Unless you are getting a somewhat decent WR in return I can't see it. Next year maybe if the market is better for WRs
I’ve never posted asshat info before, but I have a close connection to a giants player. Word is there is def legs to this rumor, but no one knows who or what’s involved. But, OBJ and this player believe he’s going to be traded to the Browns. Again, not earth shattering stuff to what’s being put out there but do know it’s not just random and made up, it has legs. Obviously if I get anything more concrete I’ll share, but I won’t start a thread on it, prob post discretely.
1. I do want to use every bit of cap space every year. I'd just rather spread it out more than the Giants do. I'd spend more money to shore up depth and special teams...more $1M-$4M players and fewer $15M+ players. I'd rather be more liquid year to year.
2. The 12 personnel stat is leaguewide from last year. Passing out of play action was also more efficient than straight drop backs. Yeah it's a fair point that because something worked last year doesn't guarantee it will this year.
1. I do want to use every bit of cap space every year. I'd just rather spread it out more than the Giants do. I'd spend more money to shore up depth and special teams...more $1M-$4M players and fewer $15M+ players. I'd rather be more liquid year to year.
2. The 12 personnel stat is leaguewide from last year. Passing out of play action was also more efficient than straight drop backs. Yeah it's a fair point that because something worked last year doesn't guarantee it will this year.
Belichick has always loved his TEs. In just a basic football standpoint, how do you defend it? Do you go with a base defense? If so, then you should have a clear advantage in the pass game. If the defense goes nickel then you should have a clear advantage in the run game. But Belichick does it right. He finds TEs like Bennett or Allen that teams give up on and makes the most of them next to Gronk.
He read a text from Fooch saying he heard Zeitler and a 1st for Beckham.
Will be furious if thats all.
That's a horrible and unrealistic deal. Thankfully it would never happen.
What have you seen from DG’s GM’ing acumen to conclude that’s an unrealistic trade? Do you have faith this guy won’t get railroaded in a potential Beckham blockbuster? I don’t.
He read a text from Fooch saying he heard Zeitler and a 1st for Beckham.
Will be furious if thats all.
Who is Fooch and would he have reliable sources?
Anthony Fusilli...wFusilli...was on Giants Online. Show on MSG hosted by Papa and included Pat Hanlon, Vacchiano, Schwartz and sometimes fucko Steve Serby.
He read a text from Fooch saying he heard Zeitler and a 1st for Beckham.
Will be furious if thats all.
That's a horrible and unrealistic deal. Thankfully it would never happen.
What have you seen from DG’s GM’ing acumen to conclude that’s an unrealistic trade? Do you have faith this guy won’t get railroaded in a potential Beckham blockbuster? I don’t.
Why would he get railroaded, and by whom? He was the GM that just signed him to his new contract
I’ve never posted asshat info before, but I have a close connection to a giants player. Word is there is def legs to this rumor, but no one knows who or what’s involved. But, OBJ and this player believe he’s going to be traded to the Browns. Again, not earth shattering stuff to what’s being put out there but do know it’s not just random and made up, it has legs. Obviously if I get anything more concrete I’ll share, but I won’t start a thread on it, prob post discretely.
So Beckham and another player to Cleveland?
Boss sorry no it’s just OBJ that I know of being discussed, this player has spoken to him and believes it’s happening because OBJ told him it’s possible. Again I’m not sure what to believe because Odell is a diva and craves attention so whether he was told it’s haooening or he himself is reading the rumors and blowing it out of our control is anyone’s guess at this point.
I’ve never posted asshat info before, but I have a close connection to a giants player. Word is there is def legs to this rumor, but no one knows who or what’s involved. But, OBJ and this player believe he’s going to be traded to the Browns. Again, not earth shattering stuff to what’s being put out there but do know it’s not just random and made up, it has legs. Obviously if I get anything more concrete I’ll share, but I won’t start a thread on it, prob post discretely.
I am sure I speak for others in saying many thanks for posting. Much appreciated.
I'm not trying to say your information or asshat info isn't solid, but what you just posted is way different than what you initially said
Poor choice of words on my end. Bluntly, Odell and this player believe he(Odell) is being traded to the Browns per Odell himself. I tend to be skeptical even after I hear anything because a lot of info can get twisted, so I’m trying to be careful with my words. Me saying I don’t know why he believes this is what I’m being careful of because I do not know if the giants have said anything or if Odell is creating it.
To trade Beckham after agreeing to a 5 year, $95 mil contract? I don’t think they would.
You are reading the headline of the contract. He has future year salaries that are guaranteed, but that is immaterial to us if he is traded. The future year guarantees inflate the overall contract number to grab the headline. The only real detriment to the Giants is the original $20M signing bonus. Trade him this year, we eat $16M. Trade him next year, we eat $12M. None of the cap hits are detrimental.
expecting to see a pinned thread about Odell being traded. Nothing more than a gut feeling - I just feel like he's ambivalent about being a Giant and could try to follow in his buddy Antonio Brown's footsteps.
To trade Beckham after agreeing to a 5 year, $95 mil contract? I don’t think they would.
You are reading the headline of the contract. He has future year salaries that are guaranteed, but that is immaterial to us if he is traded. The future year guarantees inflate the overall contract number to grab the headline. The only real detriment to the Giants is the original $20M signing bonus. Trade him this year, we eat $16M. Trade him next year, we eat $12M. None of the cap hits are detrimental.
I don’t think that’s what he’s referring to. I think he’s referring to the fact that if they wanted to trade him they wouldn’t have signed him.
expecting to see a pinned thread about Odell being traded. Nothing more than a gut feeling - I just feel like he's ambivalent about being a Giant and could try to follow in his buddy Antonio Brown's footsteps.
I think he wants to be here. But, it wouldn't surprise me if his name being attached to these rumors on a seemingly daily basis is just starting to weigh on him to the point where he's like... just get me out of here.
It's exhausting as a fan. I can't even imagine what it's like for the player. It's the same headline written differently every single week. Even when he's not in the news or out of the spotlight and nothing is going on... we still get this stuff constantly. He's probably just as tired of it as we are.
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The best part about this Browns thing is that there's a star wide receiver who is actively trying to get himself traded and whose team said they were going to trade him, and I'm still seeing far more people speculating about Odell 😂
There's some truth to this. Not sure how deep talks are or if they'll ever materialize but I heard they'll be aggressive and they remain very interested in Beckham.. They called at the deadline. Take it for what its worth but the people I spoke with weren't wrong off season when it came to the Browns (Hyde and Ward). Link - ( New Window )
But the best pick of the bunch being the #17 overall pick isn't good enough for a talent like Beckham who's still only 26. Even if the Browns were to offer us their 1st round pick for next year; there's no guarantee the Browns are going to suck this year like they have prior to the 2018 season when they were decent for the first time in ages. If anything, CLE is trending upwards, so getting another mid-round (or possibly worse) 1st round pick isn't going to cut it. Unless they're going to take the 17th pick and their 6th pick and package it to move up and get their guy. Outside of that though, eh. If they do trade Beckham this offseason, it's also a hell of a way to just about guarantee another top 5 pick in next year's draft, though. And that wouldn't be a bad thing.
But the best pick of the bunch being the #17 overall pick isn't good enough for a talent like Beckham who's still only 26. Even if the Browns were to offer us their 1st round pick for next year; there's no guarantee the Browns are going to suck this year like they have prior to the 2018 season when they were decent for the first time in ages. If anything, CLE is trending upwards, so getting another mid-round (or possibly worse) 1st round pick isn't going to cut it. Unless they're going to take the 17th pick and their 6th pick and package it to move up and get their guy. Outside of that though, eh. If they do trade Beckham this offseason, it's also a hell of a way to just about guarantee another top 5 pick in next year's draft, though. And that wouldn't be a bad thing.
To me, it needs to be 17 this year, next years 1st, Zeitler and THEN we can start negotiating. Prob need to get their 3rd and they take Vernon. I might take that.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
You can argue the best WR on super bowl winning team in the last 5 years is Damariyus Thomas, Alshon Jeffrey or Edelman.
OBJ world class athlete and special WR talent but disposable. You can surround this offense with talent at the WR position that is also capable of supporting the QB of the future.
This guy will continue throw tantrums on the sidelines while this team rebuilds. DG is going to get what he can for him.
What have you seen from DG’s GM’ing acumen to conclude that’s an unrealistic trade? Do you have faith this guy won’t get railroaded in a potential Beckham blockbuster? I don’t.
What have you seen from DG that concludes he gets the short end of the stick in trades? It is like people woke up at the start of last year and think his career has been one 5-11 team that he just stood by and made bad move after bad move.
he's gonna make moves in the best interest of the Giants. If Cleveland offers him a shit deal, or even a decent deal, he's gonna tell them to fuck off. Anything less than 2 first rounders is a joke. Cooper was dealt for a first rounder.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Ive never seen you post before but this is the most compelling and truthful anti-OBJ posts I have ever read. Kudos.
But we can get more for him than fucking Zeitler, another player and "a draft pick."
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Ive never seen you post before but this is the most compelling and truthful anti-OBJ posts I have ever read. Kudos.
But we can get more for him than fucking Zeitler, another player and "a draft pick."
Appreciate that. I’ve been a long time follower and have only posted a handful of times, I was in OBJ’s side for many years because of how talented he is. His attitude although not ever great, has become too much to handle for an organization like the Giants. He would be fine screwing around like this in a smaller market. My feeling on him all year being dealt is solely based on the archetype of people involved, mostly DG. DG does not give a shit who you are. He proved it in CAR with Norman, he’s going to do the same thing here. Eli’s pulse is barely beating yes, but I believe this all crumbled when OBJ decided to hold that ridiculous interview. He thinks he’s LT. He’s done NOTHING to warrant that and is just as much a part of the problem as all the other problems. Talent < character.
that the Giants are rudderless, I don't know what it's going to take.
So, an unsubstantiated rumor - one that is basically being debunked one by one now - is proof that the Giants are "rudderless" ?
Some of you guys have weird ways of drawing conclusions and determining what you deem to be convincing.
you would be correct if this was not the only evidence of the idiocy and incompetence of the Giants front office.
Let's review just some of the idiocy on display...
The hire DG and he proceeds to ridicule nerds with computers, disparaging the entire trend toward analytics of all professional sports (and all successful franchises). He tells us they are a win now team and that Eli can lead this team to the super bowl. he signs odell to a huge contract but then he dumps half the defense but he signed jonathan stewart and gave ogletree a huge contract. meanwhile we will keep eli, still awful, because we have to do a slow rebuild, in an era when every other team is doing a fast rebuild, because we can still be competitive with eli (no we can't).
DG is not a smart man.
If he was serious about building a winning franchise he would have drafted a qb in 2018. We didnt do that so what next. If we go through 2019 without a successor it will prove this team is literally a joke. in today's nfl you don't do 5 year rebuilds.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Ive never seen you post before but this is the most compelling and truthful anti-OBJ posts I have ever read. Kudos.
But we can get more for him than fucking Zeitler, another player and "a draft pick."
Appreciate that. I’ve been a long time follower and have only posted a handful of times, I was in OBJ’s side for many years because of how talented he is. His attitude although not ever great, has become too much to handle for an organization like the Giants. He would be fine screwing around like this in a smaller market. My feeling on him all year being dealt is solely based on the archetype of people involved, mostly DG. DG does not give a shit who you are. He proved it in CAR with Norman, he’s going to do the same thing here. Eli’s pulse is barely beating yes, but I believe this all crumbled when OBJ decided to hold that ridiculous interview. He thinks he’s LT. He’s done NOTHING to warrant that and is just as much a part of the problem as all the other problems. Talent < character.
I’ve never posted asshat info before, but I have a close connection to a giants player. Word is there is def legs to this rumor, but no one knows who or what’s involved. But, OBJ and this player believe he’s going to be traded to the Browns. Again, not earth shattering stuff to what’s being put out there but do know it’s not just random and made up, it has legs. Obviously if I get anything more concrete I’ll share, but I won’t start a thread on it, prob post discretely.
I would be very disappointed given their draft position and likely ones next year. I would want an absolute haul for OBJ especially given the cap ramifications etc.
misbehaved and was a distraction. He shows up to work everyday.
Because the people in charge have shown zero ability to ignore or defuse (usually) media-driven nonsense that doesn't affect a team's ability to win or lose a game. Andy Reid might not know how to handle clock management, but he's great at minimizing nonsense.
To trade Beckham for anything other than a franchise QB is insanity Â
misbehaved and was a distraction. He shows up to work everyday.
Because the people in charge have shown zero ability to ignore or defuse (usually) media-driven nonsense that doesn't affect a team's ability to win or lose a game. Andy Reid might not know how to handle clock management, but he's great at minimizing nonsense.
exactly...media-driven. If the Maras are that sensitive, maybe they should think about moving the team to Iowa or something. I don't even think Tisch gives a fuck.
The owner is a dope who for the last half decade appears utterly clueless. The GM is a hired hand by the ol' boys network in Giants land whom inspire very little confidence and the overall franchise has the stench of death around it.
It's not a well run organization anymore. Far from it.
The owner is a dope who for the last half decade appears utterly clueless. The GM is a hired hand by the ol' boys network in Giants land whom inspire very little confidence and the overall franchise has the stench of death around it.
It's not a well run organization anymore. Far from it.
They would rather have boy scouts rather than players...just so the organization won't look bad. Nevermind behind under .500 every year. LT would surely be jettisoned for a 5th round pick today.
if the Giants can work out a deal that sends him to the Cards as part of compensation for Rosen, that might make sense. I'm talking about a deal like this -
Giants send Beckham to Cleveland
Cleveland sends their 1st + either Zeitler or Hubbard to the Giants.
Cleveland sends Duke Johnson + their 2nd to Arizona
Arizona sends Rosen to the Giants
Cleveland gets Beckham
Arizona gets Johnson + Cleveland's 2nd
Giants get Rosen + either Zeitler or Hubbard + Cleveland's 1st
RE: Regarding Duke, while he wouldn't be of much use to the Giants, Â
if the Giants can work out a deal that sends him to the Cards as part of compensation for Rosen, that might make sense. I'm talking about a deal like this -
Giants send Beckham to Cleveland
Cleveland sends their 1st + either Zeitler or Hubbard to the Giants.
Cleveland sends Duke Johnson + their 2nd to Arizona
Arizona sends Rosen to the Giants
Cleveland gets Beckham
Arizona gets Johnson + Cleveland's 2nd
Giants get Rosen + either Zeitler or Hubbard + Cleveland's 1st
That's a lot of typing and thought going into this but
1. This is purely a made up rumor about OBJ and Cleveland
2. Why would Arizona be interested in bringing in Duke Johnson? Yes, I like Duke Johnson but they have one of the better backs in the league, had a nice backup RB to DJ that showed promise, and have a million other needs than RB. If they are trading Rosen, Duke Johnson isn't sweetening any pot.
I know that the chances of a 3 way deal like this are somewhere Â
between slim and none, but it's fun to speculate. Regarding Duke going to the Cards, David Johnson didn't have a great year (3.6 ypc) and they don't have much behind him.
RE: RE: Regarding Duke, while he wouldn't be of much use to the Giants, Â
if the Giants can work out a deal that sends him to the Cards as part of compensation for Rosen, that might make sense. I'm talking about a deal like this -
Giants send Beckham to Cleveland
Cleveland sends their 1st + either Zeitler or Hubbard to the Giants.
Cleveland sends Duke Johnson + their 2nd to Arizona
Arizona sends Rosen to the Giants
Cleveland gets Beckham
Arizona gets Johnson + Cleveland's 2nd
Giants get Rosen + either Zeitler or Hubbard + Cleveland's 1st
That's a lot of typing and thought going into this but
1. This is purely a made up rumor about OBJ and Cleveland
2. Why would Arizona be interested in bringing in Duke Johnson? Yes, I like Duke Johnson but they have one of the better backs in the league, had a nice backup RB to DJ that showed promise, and have a million other needs than RB. If they are trading Rosen, Duke Johnson isn't sweetening any pot.
Whoever made up this rumor must be having fun watching it blow up.
RE: I know that the chances of a 3 way deal like this are somewhere Â
between slim and none, but it's fun to speculate. Regarding Duke going to the Cards, David Johnson didn't have a great year (3.6 ypc) and they don't have much behind him.
That's because their OL was the worst in football and had a new coaching staff. Also, they were raving about Chase Edmonds.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Pretty fair and accurate assessment of the situation, IMO.
It’s obvious Odell feels like Eli is (and has been) holding him backing from reaching his full potential. He’s held him back from the statistical seasons he has set as his goals. He has kept quiet about the true reasonings for years, while it brews inside of him, just getting worse and worse. He has seen the General Manager(s) not truly trying to get an upgrade at the QB position, outside of some dart throw options, and continue to kick the can down the road on their crumbling (used to be) face of the franchise. He’s watched as they hold onto the past and continue to pump resources into the offense to try to revitalize that old QB, such as Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram and Saquon Barkley. All the while, their shiny, aging Lamborghini is getting dusty and faded. New cars are being brought in that go faster, that are bigger or more shifty, but the driver remains the same.
Now, we are going to deal him away, due to that frustration, because they can’t let go of the past. Their blind loyalty to Eli is going to cost them significantly. Their brand to their fan base is more important than the team they put on the field. Well, that brand is getting dusty and worn just like that Lamborghini. Time to find a new driver that can drive the damn thing before it breaks down and loses all value.
or off base than the picture being painted that Odell is a victim of Eli.
First off, they both had a lot of success together right off the bat.
Second, this isn't the way it played out on the field in a very winnable playoff game. You can joke about the boat all you want but the fact is if Odell had played better that day, that's a much different game. So in what turned out to be the only big game on record in the Eli/Odell era, Beckham played like crap and Eli was his usual great postseason self.
Gettleman was so right about bullshit narratives being pushed around.
or off base than the picture being painted that Odell is a victim of Eli.
First off, they both had a lot of success together right off the bat.
Second, this isn't the way it played out on the field in a very winnable playoff game. You can joke about the boat all you want but the fact is if Odell had played better that day, that's a much different game. So in what turned out to be the only big game on record in the Eli/Odell era, Beckham played like crap and Eli was his usual great postseason self.
Gettleman was so right about bullshit narratives being pushed around.
Yes because Eli was great his first two post season games. The defense fell apart once DRC went out. It wasn’t just on Odell. Whose been the better player the last four years?
It’s obvious Odell feels like Eli is (and has been) holding him backing from reaching his full potential. He’s held him back from the statistical seasons he has set as his goals. He has kept quiet about the true reasonings for years, while it brews inside of him, just getting worse and worse. He has seen the General Manager(s) not truly trying to get an upgrade at the QB position, outside of some dart throw options, and continue to kick the can down the road on their crumbling (used to be) face of the franchise. He’s watched as they hold onto the past and continue to pump resources into the offense to try to revitalize that old QB, such as Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram and Saquon Barkley. All the while, their shiny, aging Lamborghini is getting dusty and faded. New cars are being brought in that go faster, that are bigger or more shifty, but the driver remains the same.
Now, we are going to deal him away, due to that frustration, because they can’t let go of the past. Their blind loyalty to Eli is going to cost them significantly. Their brand to their fan base is more important than the team they put on the field. Well, that brand is getting dusty and worn just like that Lamborghini. Time to find a new driver that can drive the damn thing before it breaks down and loses all value.
It’s obvious Odell feels like Eli is (and has been) holding him backing from reaching his full potential. He’s held him back from the statistical seasons he has set as his goals. He has kept quiet about the true reasonings for years, while it brews inside of him, just getting worse and worse. He has seen the General Manager(s) not truly trying to get an upgrade at the QB position, outside of some dart throw options, and continue to kick the can down the road on their crumbling (used to be) face of the franchise. He’s watched as they hold onto the past and continue to pump resources into the offense to try to revitalize that old QB, such as Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram and Saquon Barkley. All the while, their shiny, aging Lamborghini is getting dusty and faded. New cars are being brought in that go faster, that are bigger or more shifty, but the driver remains the same.
Now, we are going to deal him away, due to that frustration, because they can’t let go of the past. Their blind loyalty to Eli is going to cost them significantly. Their brand to their fan base is more important than the team they put on the field. Well, that brand is getting dusty and worn just like that Lamborghini. Time to find a new driver that can drive the damn thing before it breaks down and loses all value.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unlike Eli, I don't think anybody is saying Odell is responsible.... Â
He's just a pain in their ass, apparently, and they thought paying him would shut him up, and a month later he's back to being a pain in their ass.
Kinda like what's happening with Antonio Brown right now.
It is what it is, but it's clearly not unprecedented. It's happening to another team RIGHT NOW. And the Rooney's and Mara's are similar. They don't want to deal with that sh-t.
Well then that would be wrong now, wouldnt it? He's been part of the team for 5 years and the team has sucked for 4 of them. So yes, he has been part of the problem. Maybe not as big as others - but he is responsible for it too.
Well then that would be wrong now, wouldnt it? He's been part of the team for 5 years and the team has sucked for 4 of them. So yes, he has been part of the problem. Maybe not as big as others - but he is responsible for it too.
That’s complete nonsense. There’s a difference being part of the losing and being a cause of the losing. They are a better team with Odell on the field, the one year they didn’t suck was largely because of him and the defense.
That’s complete nonsense. There’s a difference being part of the losing and being a cause of the losing. They are a better team with Odell on the field, the one year they didn’t suck was largely because of him and the defense.
He's not getting potentially traded because of his talent.
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
It sounds like he might be getting traded because other teams see an opportunity to acquire a special talent and are doing their best to separate that talent from an organization in transition (to be kind).
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Actually, Dallas' offense changed dramatically the second they acquired Amari Cooper. And they were willing to overpay to get him because that's how bad their WR group was and how poor their pass game production had been.
Dallas went 7-2 after Cooper arrived. He completely changed their offense. They were 1-5 when he got there.
In 2014, when they went 12-4, Dez Bryant had an all-pro season and scored 16 times.
But, don't let simple facts like these wreck your hyperbole-laden rant...
He's not getting potentially traded because of his talent.
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
It sounds like he might be getting traded because other teams see an opportunity to acquire a special talent and are doing their best to separate that talent from an organization in transition (to be kind).
We were in transition when we signed him to a 90 million dollar contract.
They clearly wanted to keep him and made a commitment to him. He essentially spit in their face. That sounds dramatic, but that's basically what he did.
and he pissed in the wind last year with the ESPN interview.
Tough hearing the truth isn’t it?
Then maybe he shouldn't have signed the contract?
Here’s some money! Want it? No? Sure thing, bud. Get him a QB that doesn’t see ghosts and can toss the ball down the field consistently. They haven’t and until they do, his talent is wasted. *Eli stare*
I’ve been a huge Eli truther, for years. Now it’s time to move on. Simple as that.
He's not getting potentially traded because of his talent.
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
I think this is mostly right.
And if they eventually transition to a new QB I could see the grandsires at Jints Central being very concerned how OBJ would interact with a young QB. Especially the moments when the young QB struggles...
Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
If that was his plan then that's sh-tty and I would think eveery Giants fan would be unanimously pissed about that.
There’s a lot to be pissed off about right now as a Giant fan.
As to orchestrating it, I don’t think he signed the contract with that intent.
But I do think the interview is totally different if they start 3-1 or 2-2 and not 1-3 with a sputtering offense.
That’s complete nonsense. There’s a difference being part of the losing and being a cause of the losing. They are a better team with Odell on the field, the one year they didn’t suck was largely because of him and the defense.
Win as a team, lose as a team. Right?
That's a lovely phrase, but it is a silly over simplification with no meaning. If anyone believed that, they would simply cut everyone and try again the next year with a new team after losing.
So if you were the GM, would you be shopping Barkley since he was just as responsible for the losing last year as anyone, and probably offers the highest return?
Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
If that was his plan then that's sh-tty and I would think eveery Giants fan would be unanimously pissed about that.
There’s a lot to be pissed off about right now as a Giant fan.
As to orchestrating it, I don’t think he signed the contract with that intent.
But I do think the interview is totally different if they start 3-1 or 2-2 and not 1-3 with a sputtering offense.
Well ask yourself this... Do you really want the face of your franchise to be somebody that turns on you at the first sign of adversity?
Can we all agree that the interview was ridiculous and in bad taste at least?
I wouldn't be as worried about the WR position. If a trade were to go down (huge 'if'), I'd like to see the Giants take advantage of the supposedly strong TE draft and get a guy (or even two) to group with Engram. Passing out of 12 personnel was a full YPA better than passing out of 11 last season, and it seems like a great way to make Barkley's and Eli's lives easier. I really like the Iowa TE.
Huge amounts of play action out of 2 TE sets.
We agree. And now the universe with expose. But seriously i would love to get the Iowa kid in here go with the 2-3 TE set. That kid is a future star.
Tom Coughlin, Jerry Reese, Ben McAdoo, Dave Gettleman, John Mara, Â
None of them have gotten him to just "shut up and play" yet.
And maybe he shouldn't have to. That's his prerogative. And it's also ownership's prerogative not to want to listen to it.
It is what it is.
DG has been hear for one year. Was he not able to get OBJ to play last year? Or are we counting everytime OBJ says something stupid off the field?
Coughlin showed no willingness to try and get OBJ to shut up and play. Had he not stood silently on the sidelines and watched him self destruct against Carolina maybe the behavior on the field could have been curtailed.
We all know McAdoo couldn't control the lockerroom at all.
If he doesn't, that is also partially on PS and DG to get him to shut his mouth and play football.
He's played for everybody. The key word is "shut his mouth" and play.
Gettleman signed him to a 90 million dollar deal, at Shurmur's insistence that he could keep him under control.
One month later, he's sitting next to little Wayne on national TV saying he wouldn't mind playing somewhere else and being non committal on his QB and everything else.
That's not getting somebody to shut their mouth and play.
misbehaved and was a distraction. He shows up to work everyday.
It’s a myth. Fans insist on believing that distractions actually exist. The fans are distracted when Beckham says something stupid.. The players, coaches and front office members are annoyed. There’s a big difference.
I’ve never seen Eli miss a pass or the LT miss a block because Beckham said something stupid earlier that week. And neither has anyone here.
What have we definitely seen? We’ve seen some of the most tumultuous, cantankerous and “distracting” locker rooms of all time win multiple world titles. Too many to count. That’s the facts.
You sound nuts. But I guess anybody that identifies themself as a truther of anything does.
Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
After his 5th year option, franchise tag, another franchise tag. All along, Eli isn’t doing him any favors on the football field. Let’s not stretch the truth here, involving money and I won’t stretch the truth on Odell. Is he an asshole? Yep. Is he frustrating to watch when his antics get out of control? Sure does. Does he make stupid ass decisions on a boat and interview? I’ll give you that. However, he’s amazing at what he does and he isn’t getting any help from the most important position in the sport
He's not getting potentially traded because of his talent.
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
DG has been quite aggressive purging those deemed with questionable character. I think he did the same in Carolina. They extended Beckham such a long leash because of his amazing talent. But with the latest stuff I think theyve just about had it and are thinking of just rebuilding the offense around Barkley if they can get a good enough deal for him. Beckham getting traded is very real if someone ponies up a substancial enough offer, I think.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Actually, Dallas' offense changed dramatically the second they acquired Amari Cooper. And they were willing to overpay to get him because that's how bad their WR group was and how poor their pass game production had been.
Dallas went 7-2 after Cooper arrived. He completely changed their offense. They were 1-5 when he got there.
In 2014, when they went 12-4, Dez Bryant had an all-pro season and scored 16 times.
But, don't let simple facts like these wreck your hyperbole-laden rant...
Cooper made a big difference there as they were able to properly utilize him. OL protection, half decent playcalling etc.
You sound nuts. But I guess anybody that identifies themself as a truther of anything does.
Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
After his 5th year option, franchise tag, another franchise tag. All along, Eli isn’t doing him any favors on the football field. Let’s not stretch the truth here, involving money and I won’t stretch the truth on Odell. Is he an asshole? Yep. Is he frustrating to watch when his antics get out of control? Sure does. Does he make stupid ass decisions on a boat and interview? I’ll give you that. However, he’s amazing at what he does and he isn’t getting any help from the most important position in the sport
And what happens if they bring a rookie QB in and he struggles, and Odell is not "getting his"? Ownership going to stand by and let him drag a rookie through the media, too? It's not a good look. Eli is a veteran with nothing left to prove to anybody. He's a pro and can handle the criticism. A rookie QB may be a different story.
trying to wrap my head around the posters on this thread who have gone on and on about Eli's record and him being a constant on losing teams in other threads actually debunking that type of thinking when it comes to Odell in this thread.
The same posters.
Consistency would go a long way in argumentation. Unless an agenda is getting in the way of consistency...
I wouldn't be as worried about the WR position. If a trade were to go down (huge 'if'), I'd like to see the Giants take advantage of the supposedly strong TE draft and get a guy (or even two) to group with Engram. Passing out of 12 personnel was a full YPA better than passing out of 11 last season, and it seems like a great way to make Barkley's and Eli's lives easier. I really like the Iowa TE.
Huge amounts of play action out of 2 TE sets.
We agree. And now the universe with expose. But seriously i would love to get the Iowa kid in here go with the 2-3 TE set. That kid is a future star.
He had the most impressive combine performance in my book. 2nd amongst TE in jumping, 10 and 20. Plus he pushes LBs off the TV screen. Shows a tremdous qmount of explosive, twitchiness and core strength. Get him for Saquon.
do you really think that would have played out any differently?
He would have thrown a temper tantrum, held out, and the result would be the same. Except we wouldn't have to eat a dead cap hit in a trade like we do now.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Actually, Dallas' offense changed dramatically the second they acquired Amari Cooper. And they were willing to overpay to get him because that's how bad their WR group was and how poor their pass game production had been.
Dallas went 7-2 after Cooper arrived. He completely changed their offense. They were 1-5 when he got there.
In 2014, when they went 12-4, Dez Bryant had an all-pro season and scored 16 times.
But, don't let simple facts like these wreck your hyperbole-laden rant...
Cooper made a big difference there as they were able to properly utilize him. OL protection, half decent playcalling etc.
They were a different team with Cooper - it was night and day.
The disingenuous assertion by this poster who is trying to claim that Dallas has been succeeding in lieu of zero WR talent/production is very easy to debunk - but people will go to great lengths to fuel their anti-Odell Beckham crusade.
but I am not "anti-Beckham". He is amazingly talented and I want him on the team.
That said, this isn't about talent. Beckham is (has) burning bridges. Beckham is orchestrating much of what is happening here.
If he doesn't want to be here, then we should not keep him here. It's that simple. I don't our team to pay a guy 90 million dollars to be lukewarm about playing here.
If he doesn't, that is also partially on PS and DG to get him to shut his mouth and play football.
He's played for everybody. The key word is "shut his mouth" and play.
Gettleman signed him to a 90 million dollar deal, at Shurmur's insistence that he could keep him under control.
One month later, he's sitting next to little Wayne on national TV saying he wouldn't mind playing somewhere else and being non committal on his QB and everything else.
That's not getting somebody to shut their mouth and play.
Fans get worked up about that interview. Do you think Eli does? Do you think his teammates do?
Because you get bent out of shape about something does not mean it is somehow detrimental to the team.
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that this wild success of the Cowboys has yielded 4 playoff appearances in the past ten years with two playoff wins.
Ironically, the guy who is most responsible for even getting them as far as they've been recently is the RB.
The position that supposedly doesn't actually impact football games.
Elliott is the lifeblood of the Dallas offense. He has been for 3 years now. Everything goes through him. Without Elliott, Dallas is not the same team.
When Elliott was suspended in 2017, Dallas had a 3 game stretch against ATL, PHI, and LAC where they failed to even reach 10 points in any of them
RE: Fans aren't the ones shopping/taking trade offers for him. Â
A team with this record should be taking trade offers for everyone with value. It would be irresponsible to do less. It just so happens that after OBJ and Barkley, there is little on this team that would return anything.
The issue with Beckhem isn't his value on the field Â
Because he produces at an elite level, a rare elite level at that. And its why the Giants are possibly waiting for a kings ransom to trade him. Now if he brings back enough to rebuild this team in multiple spots (and we draft or get back at least a high potential type of WR to replace him) I would be OK with the trade. Having Barkley changes the dynamic of this team enough on offense provided that we can at least have a capable WR to replace him the offense will still be strong. We kind of showed that in the second half of the year without him playing the last 5 games or so. And that was with a Motley crue of WRs. If we get a decent replacement (maybe Parris Campbell 2nd round) I think the offense would still be pretty good.
RE: RE: Fans aren't the ones shopping/taking trade offers for him. Â
A team with this record should be taking trade offers for everyone with value. It would be irresponsible to do less. It just so happens that after OBJ and Barkley, there is little on this team that would return anything.
Okay, then nothing to see here I guess. CNN can go home now.
but I am not "anti-Beckham". He is amazingly talented and I want him on the team.
That said, this isn't about talent. Beckham is (has) burning bridges. Beckham is orchestrating much of what is happening here.
If he doesn't want to be here, then we should not keep him here. It's that simple. I don't our team to pay a guy 90 million dollars to be lukewarm about playing here.
It is a little funny reading your posts (and those of people who debate you) on Eli vs OBJ. They're absolute mirror images. (Not a criticism at all, just an observation)
RE: Fans aren't the ones shopping/taking trade offers for him. Â
A team with this record should be taking trade offers for everyone with value. It would be irresponsible to do less. It just so happens that after OBJ and Barkley, there is little on this team that would return anything.
Okay, then nothing to see here I guess. CNN can go home now.
Ownership loves the guy.
Again with the hysterical hyperbole!
Did I suggest they weren't taking offers to trade him? Did I suggest that mangagement loves him?
It sort of pointless to try to discuss something rationally when you can't seem to understand what is being said to you.
do you really think that would have played out any differently?
He would have thrown a temper tantrum, held out, and the result would be the same. Except we wouldn't have to eat a dead cap hit in a trade like we do now.
but I am not "anti-Beckham". He is amazingly talented and I want him on the team.
That said, this isn't about talent. Beckham is (has) burning bridges. Beckham is orchestrating much of what is happening here.
If he doesn't want to be here, then we should not keep him here. It's that simple. I don't our team to pay a guy 90 million dollars to be lukewarm about playing here.
It is a little funny reading your posts (and those of people who debate you) on Eli vs OBJ. They're absolute mirror images. (Not a criticism at all, just an observation)
Hmmm, I don't see it. You read any of the guys debating me on Eli saying any of those things about Eli?
that this wild success of the Cowboys has yielded 4 playoff appearances in the past ten years with two playoff wins.
I agree! Which is why I don't know why people are always citing them as a model of why building around a running back is such a brilliant idea, but that's a different story.
There's an aspect here that needs to be taken into account Â
This Offense is no longer OBJ's, this Offense is Barkleys now. It's going to start and run through him for the foreseeable future.
Is that fact going to cause more issues with OBJ? Add in a rookie QB to the mix in the next 2 years and I don't think any team that has just gone through such a huge shift both in a youth movement and the direction of the Offense wants to deal with any kind of BS from a player regardless how good he is.
that this wild success of the Cowboys has yielded 4 playoff appearances in the past ten years with two playoff wins.
I agree! Which is why I don't know why people are always citing them as a model of why building around a running back is such a brilliant idea, but that's a different story.
Well, they've been doing a heck of a lot better on the field than we have lately. I'd have a hard time arguing that Dallas isn't better run than NYG at the moment.
Prescott isn't good, though. The model isn't wrong - it's that Prescott isn't good enough.
That's not Elliott's fault. They need a better QB.
And it's not just a RB model - it's valuing the trenches. I actually think they've built a pretty solid foundation there.
Bottom line - they've had a winning record in 4 of the last 5 years.
We've had a winning record in 1 of the last 5 years.
So, I don't think we can totally turn up our noses at how they're building their roster.
Because then you don't need to waste a first round pick on a running back. A great OL can turn a relatively pedestrian back like Emmitt Smith into the NFL's alltime leading rusher. With a great OL, the 2008 Giants had the best rushing attack in football with a 4th round pick and two 7th round picks, one of whom was a Jets reject.
Barkley offers significantly more than a run of the mill RB who is only going to run through open running lanes.
How many tackles did Barkley break? How many defenders missed him on first contact?
Barkley has pass catching ability that most others don't. We can utilize that more going forward if we can actually protect well enough to line him up outside a bit and not be so worried to sell a pass play.
We could have drafted an offensive lineman instead and had him become Ereck Flowers redux. It's more important to draft good football players than obsess over the position they play.
Barkley is an incredible talent who offers significantly more than a JAG RB like Doug Martin or Carlos Hyde will.
Beyond that, the value comes by zagging where the league might "zig".
A lot of defenses are being built with lighter, more mobile/roaming linebackers to better defend quick passing games and get sideline to sideline. Teams started getting lighter and prioritizing speed and athleticism. You can find an advantage by ramming heavy sets down the throat of light-box defenses and Barkley is a guy we can hammer defenses with and then break home run plays.
It's not always wise to follow what everyone has already done.
Get ahead and build a legitimate power running game. The Patriots found tons of success doing exactly this. Belichick probably used similar reasoning to what I outlined above (albeit, in a much better and calculated way, I'm sure)
Find trends and bust them by countering them.
RE: There's an aspect here that needs to be taken into account Â
This Offense is no longer OBJ's, this Offense is Barkleys now. It's going to start and run through him for the foreseeable future.
Is that fact going to cause more issues with OBJ? Add in a rookie QB to the mix in the next 2 years and I don't think any team that has just gone through such a huge shift both in a youth movement and the direction of the Offense wants to deal with any kind of BS from a player regardless how good he is.
OBJ has been nothing but supportive of his teammates other than the interview where he questions why they aren't pushing the ball downfield, which could have just as easily been more of a shot at coaching.
He has been nothing but supportive of SB, the next sign of jealousy will be the first.
RE: RE: There's an aspect here that needs to be taken into account Â
This Offense is no longer OBJ's, this Offense is Barkleys now. It's going to start and run through him for the foreseeable future.
Is that fact going to cause more issues with OBJ? Add in a rookie QB to the mix in the next 2 years and I don't think any team that has just gone through such a huge shift both in a youth movement and the direction of the Offense wants to deal with any kind of BS from a player regardless how good he is.
OBJ has been nothing but supportive of his teammates other than the interview where he questions why they aren't pushing the ball downfield, which could have just as easily been more of a shot at coaching.
He has been nothing but supportive of SB, the next sign of jealousy will be the first.
I haven't said he hasn't been good with SB. But you can't say he has not been a distraction for the worse at times either
Even if it's two first rounders i'd wager next year is a lower pick than 17 with OBJ on that team.
Basically the rumor that's out there, with many different variations is a Kevin Zeitler and draft picks plus another player for Odell Beckam.
I cannot stress enough that that is a rumor, and not currently coming from any known credible source
It was literally made up by a random person on Twitter whose bragging how many times his tweet has been viewed.
The Landry part just for the KWALL entertainment...
I should say that this was just someone responding... Not a reporter
The Landry part just for the KWALL entertainment...
Landry is an overpaid slot receiver.
Duke Johnson can do it all.
Please.
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from the Browns and Landry for OBJ.
The Landry part just for the KWALL entertainment...
Landry is an overpaid slot receiver.
So I hear... ;)
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Someone said it was OBJ for Zeitler, Ogbah, and a 2 &4. I'm all trading him, but I need a 1 back
I should say that this was just someone responding... Not a reporter
Well there you go.
If this turned out to be true I would officially be done with DG. I'm giving him time at this point, but if you don't get a 1 and other assets for Odell then you suck. Unless Baker was in the trade. Which isn't happening.
He would be back with his buddy.
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2020 first
In Dave We Trust? Ah, never mind.
i agree...
im not giving him up for nothing. if cooper gets a first rounder, obj gets value of 3. he is LIGHT years a better player.
Zietler is a useful OL although he hasn’t been exceptional lately. Ogbah is a rotational piece. Upgrade over Kareem Martin but nothing spectacular.
I think there’s some legitimate smoke to the OBJ rumors. I think Dave and Pat are still working to redo the locker room and the roster.
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Someone said it was OBJ for Zeitler, Ogbah, and a 2 &4. I'm all trading him, but I need a 1 back
If this turned out to be true I would officially be done with DG. I'm giving him time at this point, but if you don't get a 1 and other assets for Odell then you suck. Unless Baker was in the trade. Which isn't happening.
Agreed.
Austin Corbett would be a great get. He would solidify the RG spot. Corbett, 2019 1st, and 2020 2nd is a solid offer IMO.
That would be awful.
I think the blame there would lie with Mara for signing off on the contract last offseason. The high point to trade Beckham (in terms of getting value back) was after 2016 - the last good healthy year he had.
Signing him to the contract was idiotic if the feeling in the building was that Beckham was on a short leash.
Yes sir. Cut or trade Vernon, Ogletree, and Janoris Jenkins as well. If they do want Fromm badly next year that is the way to do it.
To move up next year and grab Tua, Herbert or Fromm. Along with another player this year like Zeitler. Just a thought
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Gettleman will definitely lose me quickly if he sends Beckham packing for a crappy return.
I think the blame there would lie with Mara for signing off on the contract last offseason. The high point to trade Beckham (in terms of getting value back) was after 2016 - the last good healthy year he had.
Signing him to the contract was idiotic if the feeling in the building was that Beckham was on a short leash.
Or we could have lost him to FA for nothing instead of having him as a very tradeable asset
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Gettleman will definitely lose me quickly if he sends Beckham packing for a crappy return.
I think the blame there would lie with Mara for signing off on the contract last offseason. The high point to trade Beckham (in terms of getting value back) was after 2016 - the last good healthy year he had.
Signing him to the contract was idiotic if the feeling in the building was that Beckham was on a short leash.
It would just be really stupid.
I'm not so attached to Beckham that I am unwilling to trade him regardless of return - but if we're going to sign him just to turn around and deal him for a suboptimal return, saddle ourselves with more dead cap, and create an additional gaping roster hole, then I'd have to join the chorus of "what the fuck" 's.
If Gettleman trades him for a haul, I'm good with that. But don't sign the guy just to give him away. That's compounding one purported mistake with a worse one.
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Someone said it was OBJ for Zeitler, Ogbah, and a 2 &4. I'm all trading him, but I need a 1 back
That would be awful.
Agreed. That’s a terrible return. Zeitler is not an unuseful player but he’s clearly a guy who is on Olivier Vernon territory with them that they’re looking to shave off roster and the cap.
I’d be intrigued with a Jabril Peppers especially in a Bettcher style defense. But you have to get a 1 and a 2 in draft picks. I don’t think you’re going to get two Number 1s.
But I’d do a 1 and 2 and a useful young talented player that fills our roster.
They should have just traded him last offseason if it were going to come to this.
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you would want Ogbah as a piece. Zeitler and Peppers I'm fine with.
Austin Corbett would be a great get. He would solidify the RG spot. Corbett, 2019 1st, and 2020 2nd is a solid offer IMO.
Did Corbett even start last year?
To be fair, no trade has been announced. But there's been a boatload of smoke around this for months, including the possible new asshat info above in this thread.
It would create a big quandary at WR. My guess is Jints Central has to dip into FA and go for Golden Tate or Randall Cobb. Or maybe Demaryius Thomas is he's recovered from the tough injury he sustained late last year...
Huge amounts of play action out of 2 TE sets.
They should have just traded him last offseason if it were going to come to this.
How is he devalued? Who is giving up a lot for a player whose contract would expire and then they get into the franchise tag games? In fact, it is very easy to make the argument that he is more valuable now on a long term deal that'll be very team friendly to a new club if traded.
And what do you care about cap space? You want everybody on vet min deals. What good is the cap space if we aren't using it?
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You might as well release Eli and totally tank, go 0-16, and get the #1 pick in Next years draft.
It would create a big quandary at WR. My guess is Jints Central has to dip into FA and go for Golden Tate or Randall Cobb. Or maybe Demaryius Thomas is he's recovered from the tough injury he sustained late last year...
Thomas was starting to look finished before the achilles injury and legal trouble. I wouldn't touch that guy with a 100 foot pole.
I think Cobb is cooked, too.
Tate is still really good - super productive, super tough slot guy. But then that moves Shepard outside on a near-permanent basis and I'm not sure that's going to be his best spot.
Huge amounts of play action out of 2 TE sets.
Was this a leaguewide stat or a Giants stat? I love 12 personnel. Always have.
But if you are using last year's stats to justify what is going to happen last year that is just silly. Talk about skewed stats.
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He was still under contract for the 2018 season...it's not like the Giants were under a time constraint. If the front office were at a "one more strike and we're trading you" stance with Beckham then paying him was really, really stupid. It devalued him in the trade market and it ensured that the Giants would take on dead money to trade him.
They should have just traded him last offseason if it were going to come to this.
How is he devalued? Who is giving up a lot for a player whose contract would expire and then they get into the franchise tag games? In fact, it is very easy to make the argument that he is more valuable now on a long term deal that'll be very team friendly to a new club if traded.
And what do you care about cap space? You want everybody on vet min deals. What good is the cap space if we aren't using it?
Stop making sense robbie. The Jints Central Duo said the Giants lack a plan.
So Beckham and another player to Cleveland?
Missing that quick twitch you want in pass rushers
2. The 12 personnel stat is leaguewide from last year. Passing out of play action was also more efficient than straight drop backs. Yeah it's a fair point that because something worked last year doesn't guarantee it will this year.
2. The 12 personnel stat is leaguewide from last year. Passing out of play action was also more efficient than straight drop backs. Yeah it's a fair point that because something worked last year doesn't guarantee it will this year.
Belichick has always loved his TEs. In just a basic football standpoint, how do you defend it? Do you go with a base defense? If so, then you should have a clear advantage in the pass game. If the defense goes nickel then you should have a clear advantage in the run game. But Belichick does it right. He finds TEs like Bennett or Allen that teams give up on and makes the most of them next to Gronk.
Phew
Will be furious if thats all.
Will be furious if thats all.
If thats it, DG is nuts. A mid-rd 1st, and 12m/yr 29 yr old (albeit good) G... crazy talk.
Will be furious if thats all.
That's a horrible and unrealistic deal. Thankfully it would never happen.
Will be furious if thats all.
Who is Fooch and would he have reliable sources?
It's beyond dumb.
A player who is going to be 29 in two days, and probably just as likely to be cut. Someone is trolling the Browns and Giants fans with this nonsense.
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He read a text from Fooch saying he heard Zeitler and a 1st for Beckham.
Will be furious if thats all.
That's a horrible and unrealistic deal. Thankfully it would never happen.
What have you seen from DG’s GM’ing acumen to conclude that’s an unrealistic trade? Do you have faith this guy won’t get railroaded in a potential Beckham blockbuster? I don’t.
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He read a text from Fooch saying he heard Zeitler and a 1st for Beckham.
Will be furious if thats all.
Who is Fooch and would he have reliable sources?
Anthony Fusilli...wFusilli...was on Giants Online. Show on MSG hosted by Papa and included Pat Hanlon, Vacchiano, Schwartz and sometimes fucko Steve Serby.
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He read a text from Fooch saying he heard Zeitler and a 1st for Beckham.
Will be furious if thats all.
That's a horrible and unrealistic deal. Thankfully it would never happen.
What have you seen from DG’s GM’ing acumen to conclude that’s an unrealistic trade? Do you have faith this guy won’t get railroaded in a potential Beckham blockbuster? I don’t.
Why would he get railroaded, and by whom? He was the GM that just signed him to his new contract
Correction....a Guard and a mid 1st rounder.
I too would be irate and probably not post again until THE organization was turned upside down
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I’ve never posted asshat info before, but I have a close connection to a giants player. Word is there is def legs to this rumor, but no one knows who or what’s involved. But, OBJ and this player believe he’s going to be traded to the Browns. Again, not earth shattering stuff to what’s being put out there but do know it’s not just random and made up, it has legs. Obviously if I get anything more concrete I’ll share, but I won’t start a thread on it, prob post discretely.
So Beckham and another player to Cleveland?
Boss sorry no it’s just OBJ that I know of being discussed, this player has spoken to him and believes it’s happening because OBJ told him it’s possible. Again I’m not sure what to believe because Odell is a diva and craves attention so whether he was told it’s haooening or he himself is reading the rumors and blowing it out of our control is anyone’s guess at this point.
Exactly.
Nor do I.
Poor choice of words on my end. Bluntly, Odell and this player believe he(Odell) is being traded to the Browns per Odell himself. I tend to be skeptical even after I hear anything because a lot of info can get twisted, so I’m trying to be careful with my words. Me saying I don’t know why he believes this is what I’m being careful of because I do not know if the giants have said anything or if Odell is creating it.
You are reading the headline of the contract. He has future year salaries that are guaranteed, but that is immaterial to us if he is traded. The future year guarantees inflate the overall contract number to grab the headline. The only real detriment to the Giants is the original $20M signing bonus. Trade him this year, we eat $16M. Trade him next year, we eat $12M. None of the cap hits are detrimental.
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To trade Beckham after agreeing to a 5 year, $95 mil contract? I don’t think they would.
You are reading the headline of the contract. He has future year salaries that are guaranteed, but that is immaterial to us if he is traded. The future year guarantees inflate the overall contract number to grab the headline. The only real detriment to the Giants is the original $20M signing bonus. Trade him this year, we eat $16M. Trade him next year, we eat $12M. None of the cap hits are detrimental.
I don’t think that’s what he’s referring to. I think he’s referring to the fact that if they wanted to trade him they wouldn’t have signed him.
I think he wants to be here. But, it wouldn't surprise me if his name being attached to these rumors on a seemingly daily basis is just starting to weigh on him to the point where he's like... just get me out of here.
It's exhausting as a fan. I can't even imagine what it's like for the player. It's the same headline written differently every single week. Even when he's not in the news or out of the spotlight and nothing is going on... we still get this stuff constantly. He's probably just as tired of it as we are.
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The best part about this Browns thing is that there's a star wide receiver who is actively trying to get himself traded and whose team said they were going to trade him, and I'm still seeing far more people speculating about Odell 😂
So, an unsubstantiated rumor - one that is basically being debunked one by one now - is proof that the Giants are "rudderless" ?
Some of you guys have weird ways of drawing conclusions and determining what you deem to be convincing.
You are reading the headline of the contract. He has future year salaries that are guaranteed, but that is immaterial....
I get your point Diver, actual dollars lost are not the $95 mil. NYG obviously wanted him here. His trade value ought to be a king’s ransom.
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You would be happy with a first and a Guard for ODB?
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Would be a step in the right direction.
You would be happy with a first and a Guard for ODB?
And it's only a mid-first pick as that.
This also was refuted by Dunleavy today who said the best offer the Giants got was a 4th.
There was some weird Twitter stuff last night regarding OBJ and the Browns but nothing verified
Mind elaborating on that?
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Mind elaborating on that?
He's referring to the poster - not Jabril.
Scroll up a few posts.
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Mind elaborating on that?
He's referring to the poster - not Jabril.
Scroll up a few posts.
Ahh. gotcha..thx arc
To me, it needs to be 17 this year, next years 1st, Zeitler and THEN we can start negotiating. Prob need to get their 3rd and they take Vernon. I might take that.
Who the hell cares whom they trade other than Barkley
Also agree. I saw plenty of good from Brown last year that leads me to believe he can be just fine and maybe half as pricey.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Beckham shit on Mara’s head after Mara handed him millions.
DG and Shurmur stuck their necks out for him when they got here as a peace offering.
It got them nowhere.
OBJ world class athlete and special WR talent but disposable. You can surround this offense with talent at the WR position that is also capable of supporting the QB of the future.
This guy will continue throw tantrums on the sidelines while this team rebuilds. DG is going to get what he can for him.
What have you seen from DG that concludes he gets the short end of the stick in trades? It is like people woke up at the start of last year and think his career has been one 5-11 team that he just stood by and made bad move after bad move.
It is pretty odd.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Ive never seen you post before but this is the most compelling and truthful anti-OBJ posts I have ever read. Kudos.
But we can get more for him than fucking Zeitler, another player and "a draft pick."
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“We didn’t sign him to trade him.”
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Ive never seen you post before but this is the most compelling and truthful anti-OBJ posts I have ever read. Kudos.
But we can get more for him than fucking Zeitler, another player and "a draft pick."
Appreciate that. I’ve been a long time follower and have only posted a handful of times, I was in OBJ’s side for many years because of how talented he is. His attitude although not ever great, has become too much to handle for an organization like the Giants. He would be fine screwing around like this in a smaller market. My feeling on him all year being dealt is solely based on the archetype of people involved, mostly DG. DG does not give a shit who you are. He proved it in CAR with Norman, he’s going to do the same thing here. Eli’s pulse is barely beating yes, but I believe this all crumbled when OBJ decided to hold that ridiculous interview. He thinks he’s LT. He’s done NOTHING to warrant that and is just as much a part of the problem as all the other problems. Talent < character.
Duh. Obviously an interview is alot more impactful than the entire franchise being damn near completely incompetent for 7 years straight.
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The interview is what caused the Giants to crumble
Duh. Obviously an interview is alot more impactful than the entire franchise being damn near completely incompetent for 7 years straight.
When multiplied by one boat the math adds up.
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that the Giants are rudderless, I don't know what it's going to take.
So, an unsubstantiated rumor - one that is basically being debunked one by one now - is proof that the Giants are "rudderless" ?
Some of you guys have weird ways of drawing conclusions and determining what you deem to be convincing.
you would be correct if this was not the only evidence of the idiocy and incompetence of the Giants front office.
Let's review just some of the idiocy on display...
The hire DG and he proceeds to ridicule nerds with computers, disparaging the entire trend toward analytics of all professional sports (and all successful franchises). He tells us they are a win now team and that Eli can lead this team to the super bowl. he signs odell to a huge contract but then he dumps half the defense but he signed jonathan stewart and gave ogletree a huge contract. meanwhile we will keep eli, still awful, because we have to do a slow rebuild, in an era when every other team is doing a fast rebuild, because we can still be competitive with eli (no we can't).
DG is not a smart man.
If he was serious about building a winning franchise he would have drafted a qb in 2018. We didnt do that so what next. If we go through 2019 without a successor it will prove this team is literally a joke. in today's nfl you don't do 5 year rebuilds.
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“We didn’t sign him to trade him.”
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Ive never seen you post before but this is the most compelling and truthful anti-OBJ posts I have ever read. Kudos.
But we can get more for him than fucking Zeitler, another player and "a draft pick."
Appreciate that. I’ve been a long time follower and have only posted a handful of times, I was in OBJ’s side for many years because of how talented he is. His attitude although not ever great, has become too much to handle for an organization like the Giants. He would be fine screwing around like this in a smaller market. My feeling on him all year being dealt is solely based on the archetype of people involved, mostly DG. DG does not give a shit who you are. He proved it in CAR with Norman, he’s going to do the same thing here. Eli’s pulse is barely beating yes, but I believe this all crumbled when OBJ decided to hold that ridiculous interview. He thinks he’s LT. He’s done NOTHING to warrant that and is just as much a part of the problem as all the other problems. Talent < character.
Such a pathetic troll job.
I would be very disappointed given their draft position and likely ones next year. I would want an absolute haul for OBJ especially given the cap ramifications etc.
Because the people in charge have shown zero ability to ignore or defuse (usually) media-driven nonsense that doesn't affect a team's ability to win or lose a game. Andy Reid might not know how to handle clock management, but he's great at minimizing nonsense.
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misbehaved and was a distraction. He shows up to work everyday.
Because the people in charge have shown zero ability to ignore or defuse (usually) media-driven nonsense that doesn't affect a team's ability to win or lose a game. Andy Reid might not know how to handle clock management, but he's great at minimizing nonsense.
exactly...media-driven. If the Maras are that sensitive, maybe they should think about moving the team to Iowa or something. I don't even think Tisch gives a fuck.
It's not a well run organization anymore. Far from it.
It's not a well run organization anymore. Far from it.
They would rather have boy scouts rather than players...just so the organization won't look bad. Nevermind behind under .500 every year. LT would surely be jettisoned for a 5th round pick today.
Giants send Beckham to Cleveland
Cleveland sends their 1st + either Zeitler or Hubbard to the Giants.
Cleveland sends Duke Johnson + their 2nd to Arizona
Arizona sends Rosen to the Giants
Cleveland gets Beckham
Arizona gets Johnson + Cleveland's 2nd
Giants get Rosen + either Zeitler or Hubbard + Cleveland's 1st
Giants send Beckham to Cleveland
Cleveland sends their 1st + either Zeitler or Hubbard to the Giants.
Cleveland sends Duke Johnson + their 2nd to Arizona
Arizona sends Rosen to the Giants
Cleveland gets Beckham
Arizona gets Johnson + Cleveland's 2nd
Giants get Rosen + either Zeitler or Hubbard + Cleveland's 1st
That's a lot of typing and thought going into this but
1. This is purely a made up rumor about OBJ and Cleveland
2. Why would Arizona be interested in bringing in Duke Johnson? Yes, I like Duke Johnson but they have one of the better backs in the league, had a nice backup RB to DJ that showed promise, and have a million other needs than RB. If they are trading Rosen, Duke Johnson isn't sweetening any pot.
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if the Giants can work out a deal that sends him to the Cards as part of compensation for Rosen, that might make sense. I'm talking about a deal like this -
Giants send Beckham to Cleveland
Cleveland sends their 1st + either Zeitler or Hubbard to the Giants.
Cleveland sends Duke Johnson + their 2nd to Arizona
Arizona sends Rosen to the Giants
Cleveland gets Beckham
Arizona gets Johnson + Cleveland's 2nd
Giants get Rosen + either Zeitler or Hubbard + Cleveland's 1st
That's a lot of typing and thought going into this but
1. This is purely a made up rumor about OBJ and Cleveland
2. Why would Arizona be interested in bringing in Duke Johnson? Yes, I like Duke Johnson but they have one of the better backs in the league, had a nice backup RB to DJ that showed promise, and have a million other needs than RB. If they are trading Rosen, Duke Johnson isn't sweetening any pot.
Whoever made up this rumor must be having fun watching it blow up.
That's because their OL was the worst in football and had a new coaching staff. Also, they were raving about Chase Edmonds.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Pretty fair and accurate assessment of the situation, IMO.
Did you not see how Cooper changed that offense this year?
Now, we are going to deal him away, due to that frustration, because they can’t let go of the past. Their blind loyalty to Eli is going to cost them significantly. Their brand to their fan base is more important than the team they put on the field. Well, that brand is getting dusty and worn just like that Lamborghini. Time to find a new driver that can drive the damn thing before it breaks down and loses all value.
Well done
First off, they both had a lot of success together right off the bat.
Second, this isn't the way it played out on the field in a very winnable playoff game. You can joke about the boat all you want but the fact is if Odell had played better that day, that's a much different game. So in what turned out to be the only big game on record in the Eli/Odell era, Beckham played like crap and Eli was his usual great postseason self.
Gettleman was so right about bullshit narratives being pushed around.
First off, they both had a lot of success together right off the bat.
Second, this isn't the way it played out on the field in a very winnable playoff game. You can joke about the boat all you want but the fact is if Odell had played better that day, that's a much different game. So in what turned out to be the only big game on record in the Eli/Odell era, Beckham played like crap and Eli was his usual great postseason self.
Gettleman was so right about bullshit narratives being pushed around.
Yes because Eli was great his first two post season games. The defense fell apart once DRC went out. It wasn’t just on Odell. Whose been the better player the last four years?
Who cares?
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Whose been the better player the last four years?
Who cares?
The poster was comparing Odell and Eli, not me. It matters when there’s people in this thread blaming Odell for the “crumbling of the Giants”
Now, we are going to deal him away, due to that frustration, because they can’t let go of the past. Their blind loyalty to Eli is going to cost them significantly. Their brand to their fan base is more important than the team they put on the field. Well, that brand is getting dusty and worn just like that Lamborghini. Time to find a new driver that can drive the damn thing before it breaks down and loses all value.
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Whose been the better player the last four years?
Who cares?
The poster was comparing Odell and Eli, not me. It matters when there’s people in this thread blaming Odell for the “crumbling of the Giants”
He has been a constant in the last 5 years of Giants losing, right?
Now, we are going to deal him away, due to that frustration, because they can’t let go of the past. Their blind loyalty to Eli is going to cost them significantly. Their brand to their fan base is more important than the team they put on the field. Well, that brand is getting dusty and worn just like that Lamborghini. Time to find a new driver that can drive the damn thing before it breaks down and loses all value.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's just a pain in their ass, apparently, and they thought paying him would shut him up, and a month later he's back to being a pain in their ass.
Kinda like what's happening with Antonio Brown right now.
It is what it is, but it's clearly not unprecedented. It's happening to another team RIGHT NOW. And the Rooney's and Mara's are similar. They don't want to deal with that sh-t.
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Whose been the better player the last four years?
Who cares?
The poster was comparing Odell and Eli, not me. It matters when there’s people in this thread blaming Odell for the “crumbling of the Giants”
He has been a constant in the last 5 years of Giants losing, right?
So has Eli hasn’t he? You actually think Odell is part of the problem?
So has Eli hasn’t he? You actually think Odell is part of the problem?
Yes I do. I think anyone who has been part of the team and organization and has played in the last 7 years has been part of the problem.
Well then that would be wrong now, wouldnt it? He's been part of the team for 5 years and the team has sucked for 4 of them. So yes, he has been part of the problem. Maybe not as big as others - but he is responsible for it too.
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
But I'm not stroking that check, either.
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Says otherwise
Well then that would be wrong now, wouldnt it? He's been part of the team for 5 years and the team has sucked for 4 of them. So yes, he has been part of the problem. Maybe not as big as others - but he is responsible for it too.
That’s complete nonsense. There’s a difference being part of the losing and being a cause of the losing. They are a better team with Odell on the field, the one year they didn’t suck was largely because of him and the defense.
That’s complete nonsense. There’s a difference being part of the losing and being a cause of the losing. They are a better team with Odell on the field, the one year they didn’t suck was largely because of him and the defense.
Win as a team, lose as a team. Right?
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
It sounds like he might be getting traded because other teams see an opportunity to acquire a special talent and are doing their best to separate that talent from an organization in transition (to be kind).
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Actually, Dallas' offense changed dramatically the second they acquired Amari Cooper. And they were willing to overpay to get him because that's how bad their WR group was and how poor their pass game production had been.
Dallas went 7-2 after Cooper arrived. He completely changed their offense. They were 1-5 when he got there.
In 2014, when they went 12-4, Dez Bryant had an all-pro season and scored 16 times.
But, don't let simple facts like these wreck your hyperbole-laden rant...
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He's not getting potentially traded because of his talent.
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
It sounds like he might be getting traded because other teams see an opportunity to acquire a special talent and are doing their best to separate that talent from an organization in transition (to be kind).
We were in transition when we signed him to a 90 million dollar contract.
They clearly wanted to keep him and made a commitment to him. He essentially spit in their face. That sounds dramatic, but that's basically what he did.
Tough hearing the truth isn’t it?
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and he pissed in the wind last year with the ESPN interview.
Tough hearing the truth isn’t it?
Then maybe he shouldn't have signed the contract?
Yeah, because this team is ‘ready’ with Eli under center. *stare*
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and he pissed in the wind last year with the ESPN interview.
Tough hearing the truth isn’t it?
Then maybe he shouldn't have signed the contract?
Here’s some money! Want it? No? Sure thing, bud. Get him a QB that doesn’t see ghosts and can toss the ball down the field consistently. They haven’t and until they do, his talent is wasted. *Eli stare*
I’ve been a huge Eli truther, for years. Now it’s time to move on. Simple as that.
"Idk"
Pretty shitty look.
Whether he wanted to be here or not, he was taking that $$$ before he could suffer another major injury.
You trade him, the compensation better be awesome though.
You sound nuts. But I guess anybody that identifies themself as a truther of anything does.
Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
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Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
If that was his plan then that's sh-tty and I would think eveery Giants fan would be unanimously pissed about that.
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Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
If that was his plan then that's sh-tty and I would think eveery Giants fan would be unanimously pissed about that.
do you think thats whats going on? Do you think Odell is orchestrating a trade?
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
I think this is mostly right.
And if they eventually transition to a new QB I could see the grandsires at Jints Central being very concerned how OBJ would interact with a young QB. Especially the moments when the young QB struggles...
do you think thats whats going on? Do you think Odell is orchestrating a trade?
If you give me 100 dollars to bet on it.... I would day absolutely. He doesnt want to be in NY. He has vocally said this to the media.
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Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
If that was his plan then that's sh-tty and I would think eveery Giants fan would be unanimously pissed about that.
do you think thats whats going on? Do you think Odell is orchestrating a trade?
Do I? I didn't suggest it. I said it would be sh-tty if he was, which is what another poster suggested.
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Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
If that was his plan then that's sh-tty and I would think eveery Giants fan would be unanimously pissed about that.
There’s a lot to be pissed off about right now as a Giant fan.
As to orchestrating it, I don’t think he signed the contract with that intent.
But I do think the interview is totally different if they start 3-1 or 2-2 and not 1-3 with a sputtering offense.
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That’s complete nonsense. There’s a difference being part of the losing and being a cause of the losing. They are a better team with Odell on the field, the one year they didn’t suck was largely because of him and the defense.
Win as a team, lose as a team. Right?
That's a lovely phrase, but it is a silly over simplification with no meaning. If anyone believed that, they would simply cut everyone and try again the next year with a new team after losing.
So if you were the GM, would you be shopping Barkley since he was just as responsible for the losing last year as anyone, and probably offers the highest return?
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Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
If that was his plan then that's sh-tty and I would think eveery Giants fan would be unanimously pissed about that.
There’s a lot to be pissed off about right now as a Giant fan.
As to orchestrating it, I don’t think he signed the contract with that intent.
But I do think the interview is totally different if they start 3-1 or 2-2 and not 1-3 with a sputtering offense.
Well ask yourself this... Do you really want the face of your franchise to be somebody that turns on you at the first sign of adversity?
Can we all agree that the interview was ridiculous and in bad taste at least?
Is Odell going to sit patiently while that irons out for two or three years, or will he throw him under the bus too?
Is Odell going to sit patiently while that irons out for two or three years, or will he throw him under the bus too?
If he doesn't, that is also partially on PS and DG to get him to shut his mouth and play football.
If there is actually a problem you trade him away. You don't trade him because there may be a problem. The interview was dumb, but it is just words.
Who the hell cares whom they trade other than Barkley
That’s foolish and goes along with some of the loudest posters here lately.
Lets trade BJ hill and Hernandez while we’re at it.
Huge amounts of play action out of 2 TE sets.
We agree. And now the universe with expose. But seriously i would love to get the Iowa kid in here go with the 2-3 TE set. That kid is a future star.
None of them have gotten him to just "shut up and play" yet.
And maybe he shouldn't have to. That's his prerogative. And it's also ownership's prerogative not to want to listen to it.
It is what it is.
Apparently you haven’t seen the Pats much, huh? What the hell does 2019 have to do with anything?
None of them have gotten him to just "shut up and play" yet.
And maybe he shouldn't have to. That's his prerogative. And it's also ownership's prerogative not to want to listen to it.
It is what it is.
DG has been hear for one year. Was he not able to get OBJ to play last year? Or are we counting everytime OBJ says something stupid off the field?
Coughlin showed no willingness to try and get OBJ to shut up and play. Had he not stood silently on the sidelines and watched him self destruct against Carolina maybe the behavior on the field could have been curtailed.
We all know McAdoo couldn't control the lockerroom at all.
He's played for everybody. The key word is "shut his mouth" and play.
Gettleman signed him to a 90 million dollar deal, at Shurmur's insistence that he could keep him under control.
One month later, he's sitting next to little Wayne on national TV saying he wouldn't mind playing somewhere else and being non committal on his QB and everything else.
That's not getting somebody to shut their mouth and play.
It’s a myth. Fans insist on believing that distractions actually exist. The fans are distracted when Beckham says something stupid.. The players, coaches and front office members are annoyed. There’s a big difference.
I’ve never seen Eli miss a pass or the LT miss a block because Beckham said something stupid earlier that week. And neither has anyone here.
What have we definitely seen? We’ve seen some of the most tumultuous, cantankerous and “distracting” locker rooms of all time win multiple world titles. Too many to count. That’s the facts.
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In 2019?
Apparently you haven’t seen the Pats much, huh? What the hell does 2019 have to do with anything?
The Patriots ran 13 personnel 1% of the time, and 12 personnel 15%. They were in 11 personnel 73% of the time.
The game is played in 11 personnel, using draft capital to run 3 tight end sets makes no sense - and even less sense if you’re trading your best WR.
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
+1
You sound nuts. But I guess anybody that identifies themself as a truther of anything does.
Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
After his 5th year option, franchise tag, another franchise tag. All along, Eli isn’t doing him any favors on the football field. Let’s not stretch the truth here, involving money and I won’t stretch the truth on Odell. Is he an asshole? Yep. Is he frustrating to watch when his antics get out of control? Sure does. Does he make stupid ass decisions on a boat and interview? I’ll give you that. However, he’s amazing at what he does and he isn’t getting any help from the most important position in the sport
There is ZERO chance he gets franchised 2 years in a row. More likely that he gets franchised once and then traded.
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
DG has been quite aggressive purging those deemed with questionable character. I think he did the same in Carolina. They extended Beckham such a long leash because of his amazing talent. But with the latest stuff I think theyve just about had it and are thinking of just rebuilding the offense around Barkley if they can get a good enough deal for him. Beckham getting traded is very real if someone ponies up a substancial enough offer, I think.
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“We didn’t sign him to trade him.”
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Actually, Dallas' offense changed dramatically the second they acquired Amari Cooper. And they were willing to overpay to get him because that's how bad their WR group was and how poor their pass game production had been.
Dallas went 7-2 after Cooper arrived. He completely changed their offense. They were 1-5 when he got there.
In 2014, when they went 12-4, Dez Bryant had an all-pro season and scored 16 times.
But, don't let simple facts like these wreck your hyperbole-laden rant...
Cooper made a big difference there as they were able to properly utilize him. OL protection, half decent playcalling etc.
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*stare* ?
You sound nuts. But I guess anybody that identifies themself as a truther of anything does.
Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
After his 5th year option, franchise tag, another franchise tag. All along, Eli isn’t doing him any favors on the football field. Let’s not stretch the truth here, involving money and I won’t stretch the truth on Odell. Is he an asshole? Yep. Is he frustrating to watch when his antics get out of control? Sure does. Does he make stupid ass decisions on a boat and interview? I’ll give you that. However, he’s amazing at what he does and he isn’t getting any help from the most important position in the sport
And what happens if they bring a rookie QB in and he struggles, and Odell is not "getting his"? Ownership going to stand by and let him drag a rookie through the media, too? It's not a good look. Eli is a veteran with nothing left to prove to anybody. He's a pro and can handle the criticism. A rookie QB may be a different story.
This is Odell. People need to understand this is Odell's fault, what is happening here. He is not a victim.
See what happens.
The same posters.
Consistency would go a long way in argumentation. Unless an agenda is getting in the way of consistency...
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I wouldn't be as worried about the WR position. If a trade were to go down (huge 'if'), I'd like to see the Giants take advantage of the supposedly strong TE draft and get a guy (or even two) to group with Engram. Passing out of 12 personnel was a full YPA better than passing out of 11 last season, and it seems like a great way to make Barkley's and Eli's lives easier. I really like the Iowa TE.
Huge amounts of play action out of 2 TE sets.
We agree. And now the universe with expose. But seriously i would love to get the Iowa kid in here go with the 2-3 TE set. That kid is a future star.
He had the most impressive combine performance in my book. 2nd amongst TE in jumping, 10 and 20. Plus he pushes LBs off the TV screen. Shows a tremdous qmount of explosive, twitchiness and core strength. Get him for Saquon.
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To setup the team for SB to lead, he can handle him but doesn't need the hassle of that locker room malcontent.
Yeah, because this team is ‘ready’ with Eli under center. *stare*
The offense improved when he made a business decision to improve his brand at the end of the year.
He would have thrown a temper tantrum, held out, and the result would be the same. Except we wouldn't have to eat a dead cap hit in a trade like we do now.
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“We didn’t sign him to trade him.”
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Actually, Dallas' offense changed dramatically the second they acquired Amari Cooper. And they were willing to overpay to get him because that's how bad their WR group was and how poor their pass game production had been.
Dallas went 7-2 after Cooper arrived. He completely changed their offense. They were 1-5 when he got there.
In 2014, when they went 12-4, Dez Bryant had an all-pro season and scored 16 times.
But, don't let simple facts like these wreck your hyperbole-laden rant...
Cooper made a big difference there as they were able to properly utilize him. OL protection, half decent playcalling etc.
They were a different team with Cooper - it was night and day.
The disingenuous assertion by this poster who is trying to claim that Dallas has been succeeding in lieu of zero WR talent/production is very easy to debunk - but people will go to great lengths to fuel their anti-Odell Beckham crusade.
That said, this isn't about talent. Beckham is (has) burning bridges. Beckham is orchestrating much of what is happening here.
If he doesn't want to be here, then we should not keep him here. It's that simple. I don't our team to pay a guy 90 million dollars to be lukewarm about playing here.
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If he doesn't, that is also partially on PS and DG to get him to shut his mouth and play football.
He's played for everybody. The key word is "shut his mouth" and play.
Gettleman signed him to a 90 million dollar deal, at Shurmur's insistence that he could keep him under control.
One month later, he's sitting next to little Wayne on national TV saying he wouldn't mind playing somewhere else and being non committal on his QB and everything else.
That's not getting somebody to shut their mouth and play.
Fans get worked up about that interview. Do you think Eli does? Do you think his teammates do?
Because you get bent out of shape about something does not mean it is somehow detrimental to the team.
See what happens.
Remind me again how he blasted him employer? "Yeah it would be cool to play somewhere else" is not exactly blasting his current employer.
This would be easier to understand without the hyperbole you are throwing in.
Ironically, the guy who is most responsible for even getting them as far as they've been recently is the RB.
The position that supposedly doesn't actually impact football games.
Elliott is the lifeblood of the Dallas offense. He has been for 3 years now. Everything goes through him. Without Elliott, Dallas is not the same team.
When Elliott was suspended in 2017, Dallas had a 3 game stretch against ATL, PHI, and LAC where they failed to even reach 10 points in any of them
A team with this record should be taking trade offers for everyone with value. It would be irresponsible to do less. It just so happens that after OBJ and Barkley, there is little on this team that would return anything.
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A team with this record should be taking trade offers for everyone with value. It would be irresponsible to do less. It just so happens that after OBJ and Barkley, there is little on this team that would return anything.
Okay, then nothing to see here I guess. CNN can go home now.
Ownership loves the guy.
That said, this isn't about talent. Beckham is (has) burning bridges. Beckham is orchestrating much of what is happening here.
If he doesn't want to be here, then we should not keep him here. It's that simple. I don't our team to pay a guy 90 million dollars to be lukewarm about playing here.
It is a little funny reading your posts (and those of people who debate you) on Eli vs OBJ. They're absolute mirror images. (Not a criticism at all, just an observation)
Are the Giants really shopping him though?
Sounds like more than a few teams have inquired and the answer has always been NO from the Giants.
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Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
And you don't find that to be a shitty way of doing things? LOL
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A team with this record should be taking trade offers for everyone with value. It would be irresponsible to do less. It just so happens that after OBJ and Barkley, there is little on this team that would return anything.
Okay, then nothing to see here I guess. CNN can go home now.
Ownership loves the guy.
Again with the hysterical hyperbole!
Did I suggest they weren't taking offers to trade him? Did I suggest that mangagement loves him?
It sort of pointless to try to discuss something rationally when you can't seem to understand what is being said to you.
He would have thrown a temper tantrum, held out, and the result would be the same. Except we wouldn't have to eat a dead cap hit in a trade like we do now.
Good point *hat tip*
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but I am not "anti-Beckham". He is amazingly talented and I want him on the team.
That said, this isn't about talent. Beckham is (has) burning bridges. Beckham is orchestrating much of what is happening here.
If he doesn't want to be here, then we should not keep him here. It's that simple. I don't our team to pay a guy 90 million dollars to be lukewarm about playing here.
It is a little funny reading your posts (and those of people who debate you) on Eli vs OBJ. They're absolute mirror images. (Not a criticism at all, just an observation)
Hmmm, I don't see it. You read any of the guys debating me on Eli saying any of those things about Eli?
I agree with Gettleman, they didn't sign the guy to a 90 million dollar contract to turn around and trade him.
I agree with Gettleman, they didn't sign the guy to a 90 million dollar contract to turn around and trade him.
I will agree with you that this has been a very dumb conversation.
I agree! Which is why I don't know why people are always citing them as a model of why building around a running back is such a brilliant idea, but that's a different story.
Is that fact going to cause more issues with OBJ? Add in a rookie QB to the mix in the next 2 years and I don't think any team that has just gone through such a huge shift both in a youth movement and the direction of the Offense wants to deal with any kind of BS from a player regardless how good he is.
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that this wild success of the Cowboys has yielded 4 playoff appearances in the past ten years with two playoff wins.
I agree! Which is why I don't know why people are always citing them as a model of why building around a running back is such a brilliant idea, but that's a different story.
Well, they've been doing a heck of a lot better on the field than we have lately. I'd have a hard time arguing that Dallas isn't better run than NYG at the moment.
Prescott isn't good, though. The model isn't wrong - it's that Prescott isn't good enough.
That's not Elliott's fault. They need a better QB.
And it's not just a RB model - it's valuing the trenches. I actually think they've built a pretty solid foundation there.
Bottom line - they've had a winning record in 4 of the last 5 years.
We've had a winning record in 1 of the last 5 years.
So, I don't think we can totally turn up our noses at how they're building their roster.
Barkley offers significantly more than a run of the mill RB who is only going to run through open running lanes.
How many tackles did Barkley break? How many defenders missed him on first contact?
Barkley has pass catching ability that most others don't. We can utilize that more going forward if we can actually protect well enough to line him up outside a bit and not be so worried to sell a pass play.
We could have drafted an offensive lineman instead and had him become Ereck Flowers redux. It's more important to draft good football players than obsess over the position they play.
Barkley is an incredible talent who offers significantly more than a JAG RB like Doug Martin or Carlos Hyde will.
Beyond that, the value comes by zagging where the league might "zig".
A lot of defenses are being built with lighter, more mobile/roaming linebackers to better defend quick passing games and get sideline to sideline. Teams started getting lighter and prioritizing speed and athleticism. You can find an advantage by ramming heavy sets down the throat of light-box defenses and Barkley is a guy we can hammer defenses with and then break home run plays.
It's not always wise to follow what everyone has already done.
Get ahead and build a legitimate power running game. The Patriots found tons of success doing exactly this. Belichick probably used similar reasoning to what I outlined above (albeit, in a much better and calculated way, I'm sure)
Find trends and bust them by countering them.
Is that fact going to cause more issues with OBJ? Add in a rookie QB to the mix in the next 2 years and I don't think any team that has just gone through such a huge shift both in a youth movement and the direction of the Offense wants to deal with any kind of BS from a player regardless how good he is.
OBJ has been nothing but supportive of his teammates other than the interview where he questions why they aren't pushing the ball downfield, which could have just as easily been more of a shot at coaching.
He has been nothing but supportive of SB, the next sign of jealousy will be the first.
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This Offense is no longer OBJ's, this Offense is Barkleys now. It's going to start and run through him for the foreseeable future.
Is that fact going to cause more issues with OBJ? Add in a rookie QB to the mix in the next 2 years and I don't think any team that has just gone through such a huge shift both in a youth movement and the direction of the Offense wants to deal with any kind of BS from a player regardless how good he is.
OBJ has been nothing but supportive of his teammates other than the interview where he questions why they aren't pushing the ball downfield, which could have just as easily been more of a shot at coaching.
He has been nothing but supportive of SB, the next sign of jealousy will be the first.