I wouldn't be as worried about the WR position. If a trade were to go down (huge 'if'), I'd like to see the Giants take advantage of the supposedly strong TE draft and get a guy (or even two) to group with Engram. Passing out of 12 personnel was a full YPA better than passing out of 11 last season, and it seems like a great way to make Barkley's and Eli's lives easier. I really like the Iowa TE.
He was still under contract for the 2018 season...it's not like the Giants were under a time constraint. If the front office were at a "one more strike and we're trading you" stance with Beckham then paying him was really, really stupid. It devalued him in the trade market and it ensured that the Giants would take on dead money to trade him.
They should have just traded him last offseason if it were going to come to this.
How is he devalued? Who is giving up a lot for a player whose contract would expire and then they get into the franchise tag games? In fact, it is very easy to make the argument that he is more valuable now on a long term deal that'll be very team friendly to a new club if traded.
And what do you care about cap space? You want everybody on vet min deals. What good is the cap space if we aren't using it?
You might as well release Eli and totally tank, go 0-16, and get the #1 pick in Next years draft.
It would create a big quandary at WR. My guess is Jints Central has to dip into FA and go for Golden Tate or Randall Cobb. Or maybe Demaryius Thomas is he's recovered from the tough injury he sustained late last year...
Thomas was starting to look finished before the achilles injury and legal trouble. I wouldn't touch that guy with a 100 foot pole.
I think Cobb is cooked, too.
Tate is still really good - super productive, super tough slot guy. But then that moves Shepard outside on a near-permanent basis and I'm not sure that's going to be his best spot.
I wouldn't be as worried about the WR position. If a trade were to go down (huge 'if'), I'd like to see the Giants take advantage of the supposedly strong TE draft and get a guy (or even two) to group with Engram. Passing out of 12 personnel was a full YPA better than passing out of 11 last season, and it seems like a great way to make Barkley's and Eli's lives easier. I really like the Iowa TE.
Huge amounts of play action out of 2 TE sets.
Was this a leaguewide stat or a Giants stat? I love 12 personnel. Always have.
But if you are using last year's stats to justify what is going to happen last year that is just silly. Talk about skewed stats.
terps def creams his pants everytime an OBJ trade rumor comes up. i seriously think he would be happy if he found out we were getting a football brush for OBJ
He was still under contract for the 2018 season...it's not like the Giants were under a time constraint. If the front office were at a "one more strike and we're trading you" stance with Beckham then paying him was really, really stupid. It devalued him in the trade market and it ensured that the Giants would take on dead money to trade him.
They should have just traded him last offseason if it were going to come to this.
How is he devalued? Who is giving up a lot for a player whose contract would expire and then they get into the franchise tag games? In fact, it is very easy to make the argument that he is more valuable now on a long term deal that'll be very team friendly to a new club if traded.
And what do you care about cap space? You want everybody on vet min deals. What good is the cap space if we aren't using it?
Stop making sense robbie. The Jints Central Duo said the Giants lack a plan.
not this year at least. The FA market is empty pretty much and we have no one after OBJ. Unless you are getting a somewhat decent WR in return I can't see it. Next year maybe if the market is better for WRs
I’ve never posted asshat info before, but I have a close connection to a giants player. Word is there is def legs to this rumor, but no one knows who or what’s involved. But, OBJ and this player believe he’s going to be traded to the Browns. Again, not earth shattering stuff to what’s being put out there but do know it’s not just random and made up, it has legs. Obviously if I get anything more concrete I’ll share, but I won’t start a thread on it, prob post discretely.
1. I do want to use every bit of cap space every year. I'd just rather spread it out more than the Giants do. I'd spend more money to shore up depth and special teams...more $1M-$4M players and fewer $15M+ players. I'd rather be more liquid year to year.
2. The 12 personnel stat is leaguewide from last year. Passing out of play action was also more efficient than straight drop backs. Yeah it's a fair point that because something worked last year doesn't guarantee it will this year.
1. I do want to use every bit of cap space every year. I'd just rather spread it out more than the Giants do. I'd spend more money to shore up depth and special teams...more $1M-$4M players and fewer $15M+ players. I'd rather be more liquid year to year.
2. The 12 personnel stat is leaguewide from last year. Passing out of play action was also more efficient than straight drop backs. Yeah it's a fair point that because something worked last year doesn't guarantee it will this year.
Belichick has always loved his TEs. In just a basic football standpoint, how do you defend it? Do you go with a base defense? If so, then you should have a clear advantage in the pass game. If the defense goes nickel then you should have a clear advantage in the run game. But Belichick does it right. He finds TEs like Bennett or Allen that teams give up on and makes the most of them next to Gronk.
He read a text from Fooch saying he heard Zeitler and a 1st for Beckham.
Will be furious if thats all.
That's a horrible and unrealistic deal. Thankfully it would never happen.
What have you seen from DG’s GM’ing acumen to conclude that’s an unrealistic trade? Do you have faith this guy won’t get railroaded in a potential Beckham blockbuster? I don’t.
He read a text from Fooch saying he heard Zeitler and a 1st for Beckham.
Will be furious if thats all.
Who is Fooch and would he have reliable sources?
Anthony Fusilli...wFusilli...was on Giants Online. Show on MSG hosted by Papa and included Pat Hanlon, Vacchiano, Schwartz and sometimes fucko Steve Serby.
He read a text from Fooch saying he heard Zeitler and a 1st for Beckham.
Will be furious if thats all.
That's a horrible and unrealistic deal. Thankfully it would never happen.
What have you seen from DG’s GM’ing acumen to conclude that’s an unrealistic trade? Do you have faith this guy won’t get railroaded in a potential Beckham blockbuster? I don’t.
Why would he get railroaded, and by whom? He was the GM that just signed him to his new contract
I’ve never posted asshat info before, but I have a close connection to a giants player. Word is there is def legs to this rumor, but no one knows who or what’s involved. But, OBJ and this player believe he’s going to be traded to the Browns. Again, not earth shattering stuff to what’s being put out there but do know it’s not just random and made up, it has legs. Obviously if I get anything more concrete I’ll share, but I won’t start a thread on it, prob post discretely.
So Beckham and another player to Cleveland?
Boss sorry no it’s just OBJ that I know of being discussed, this player has spoken to him and believes it’s happening because OBJ told him it’s possible. Again I’m not sure what to believe because Odell is a diva and craves attention so whether he was told it’s haooening or he himself is reading the rumors and blowing it out of our control is anyone’s guess at this point.
I’ve never posted asshat info before, but I have a close connection to a giants player. Word is there is def legs to this rumor, but no one knows who or what’s involved. But, OBJ and this player believe he’s going to be traded to the Browns. Again, not earth shattering stuff to what’s being put out there but do know it’s not just random and made up, it has legs. Obviously if I get anything more concrete I’ll share, but I won’t start a thread on it, prob post discretely.
I am sure I speak for others in saying many thanks for posting. Much appreciated.
I'm not trying to say your information or asshat info isn't solid, but what you just posted is way different than what you initially said
Poor choice of words on my end. Bluntly, Odell and this player believe he(Odell) is being traded to the Browns per Odell himself. I tend to be skeptical even after I hear anything because a lot of info can get twisted, so I’m trying to be careful with my words. Me saying I don’t know why he believes this is what I’m being careful of because I do not know if the giants have said anything or if Odell is creating it.
To trade Beckham after agreeing to a 5 year, $95 mil contract? I don’t think they would.
You are reading the headline of the contract. He has future year salaries that are guaranteed, but that is immaterial to us if he is traded. The future year guarantees inflate the overall contract number to grab the headline. The only real detriment to the Giants is the original $20M signing bonus. Trade him this year, we eat $16M. Trade him next year, we eat $12M. None of the cap hits are detrimental.
expecting to see a pinned thread about Odell being traded. Nothing more than a gut feeling - I just feel like he's ambivalent about being a Giant and could try to follow in his buddy Antonio Brown's footsteps.
To trade Beckham after agreeing to a 5 year, $95 mil contract? I don’t think they would.
You are reading the headline of the contract. He has future year salaries that are guaranteed, but that is immaterial to us if he is traded. The future year guarantees inflate the overall contract number to grab the headline. The only real detriment to the Giants is the original $20M signing bonus. Trade him this year, we eat $16M. Trade him next year, we eat $12M. None of the cap hits are detrimental.
I don’t think that’s what he’s referring to. I think he’s referring to the fact that if they wanted to trade him they wouldn’t have signed him.
expecting to see a pinned thread about Odell being traded. Nothing more than a gut feeling - I just feel like he's ambivalent about being a Giant and could try to follow in his buddy Antonio Brown's footsteps.
I think he wants to be here. But, it wouldn't surprise me if his name being attached to these rumors on a seemingly daily basis is just starting to weigh on him to the point where he's like... just get me out of here.
It's exhausting as a fan. I can't even imagine what it's like for the player. It's the same headline written differently every single week. Even when he's not in the news or out of the spotlight and nothing is going on... we still get this stuff constantly. He's probably just as tired of it as we are.
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The best part about this Browns thing is that there's a star wide receiver who is actively trying to get himself traded and whose team said they were going to trade him, and I'm still seeing far more people speculating about Odell 😂
There's some truth to this. Not sure how deep talks are or if they'll ever materialize but I heard they'll be aggressive and they remain very interested in Beckham.. They called at the deadline. Take it for what its worth but the people I spoke with weren't wrong off season when it came to the Browns (Hyde and Ward). Link - ( New Window )
Huge amounts of play action out of 2 TE sets.
They should have just traded him last offseason if it were going to come to this.
How is he devalued? Who is giving up a lot for a player whose contract would expire and then they get into the franchise tag games? In fact, it is very easy to make the argument that he is more valuable now on a long term deal that'll be very team friendly to a new club if traded.
And what do you care about cap space? You want everybody on vet min deals. What good is the cap space if we aren't using it?
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You might as well release Eli and totally tank, go 0-16, and get the #1 pick in Next years draft.
It would create a big quandary at WR. My guess is Jints Central has to dip into FA and go for Golden Tate or Randall Cobb. Or maybe Demaryius Thomas is he's recovered from the tough injury he sustained late last year...
Thomas was starting to look finished before the achilles injury and legal trouble. I wouldn't touch that guy with a 100 foot pole.
I think Cobb is cooked, too.
Tate is still really good - super productive, super tough slot guy. But then that moves Shepard outside on a near-permanent basis and I'm not sure that's going to be his best spot.
Huge amounts of play action out of 2 TE sets.
Was this a leaguewide stat or a Giants stat? I love 12 personnel. Always have.
But if you are using last year's stats to justify what is going to happen last year that is just silly. Talk about skewed stats.
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He was still under contract for the 2018 season...it's not like the Giants were under a time constraint. If the front office were at a "one more strike and we're trading you" stance with Beckham then paying him was really, really stupid. It devalued him in the trade market and it ensured that the Giants would take on dead money to trade him.
They should have just traded him last offseason if it were going to come to this.
How is he devalued? Who is giving up a lot for a player whose contract would expire and then they get into the franchise tag games? In fact, it is very easy to make the argument that he is more valuable now on a long term deal that'll be very team friendly to a new club if traded.
And what do you care about cap space? You want everybody on vet min deals. What good is the cap space if we aren't using it?
Stop making sense robbie. The Jints Central Duo said the Giants lack a plan.
So Beckham and another player to Cleveland?
Missing that quick twitch you want in pass rushers
2. The 12 personnel stat is leaguewide from last year. Passing out of play action was also more efficient than straight drop backs. Yeah it's a fair point that because something worked last year doesn't guarantee it will this year.
2. The 12 personnel stat is leaguewide from last year. Passing out of play action was also more efficient than straight drop backs. Yeah it's a fair point that because something worked last year doesn't guarantee it will this year.
Belichick has always loved his TEs. In just a basic football standpoint, how do you defend it? Do you go with a base defense? If so, then you should have a clear advantage in the pass game. If the defense goes nickel then you should have a clear advantage in the run game. But Belichick does it right. He finds TEs like Bennett or Allen that teams give up on and makes the most of them next to Gronk.
Phew
Will be furious if thats all.
Will be furious if thats all.
If thats it, DG is nuts. A mid-rd 1st, and 12m/yr 29 yr old (albeit good) G... crazy talk.
Will be furious if thats all.
That's a horrible and unrealistic deal. Thankfully it would never happen.
Will be furious if thats all.
Who is Fooch and would he have reliable sources?
It's beyond dumb.
A player who is going to be 29 in two days, and probably just as likely to be cut. Someone is trolling the Browns and Giants fans with this nonsense.
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He read a text from Fooch saying he heard Zeitler and a 1st for Beckham.
Will be furious if thats all.
That's a horrible and unrealistic deal. Thankfully it would never happen.
What have you seen from DG’s GM’ing acumen to conclude that’s an unrealistic trade? Do you have faith this guy won’t get railroaded in a potential Beckham blockbuster? I don’t.
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He read a text from Fooch saying he heard Zeitler and a 1st for Beckham.
Will be furious if thats all.
Who is Fooch and would he have reliable sources?
Anthony Fusilli...wFusilli...was on Giants Online. Show on MSG hosted by Papa and included Pat Hanlon, Vacchiano, Schwartz and sometimes fucko Steve Serby.
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He read a text from Fooch saying he heard Zeitler and a 1st for Beckham.
Will be furious if thats all.
That's a horrible and unrealistic deal. Thankfully it would never happen.
What have you seen from DG’s GM’ing acumen to conclude that’s an unrealistic trade? Do you have faith this guy won’t get railroaded in a potential Beckham blockbuster? I don’t.
Why would he get railroaded, and by whom? He was the GM that just signed him to his new contract
Correction....a Guard and a mid 1st rounder.
I too would be irate and probably not post again until THE organization was turned upside down
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I’ve never posted asshat info before, but I have a close connection to a giants player. Word is there is def legs to this rumor, but no one knows who or what’s involved. But, OBJ and this player believe he’s going to be traded to the Browns. Again, not earth shattering stuff to what’s being put out there but do know it’s not just random and made up, it has legs. Obviously if I get anything more concrete I’ll share, but I won’t start a thread on it, prob post discretely.
So Beckham and another player to Cleveland?
Boss sorry no it’s just OBJ that I know of being discussed, this player has spoken to him and believes it’s happening because OBJ told him it’s possible. Again I’m not sure what to believe because Odell is a diva and craves attention so whether he was told it’s haooening or he himself is reading the rumors and blowing it out of our control is anyone’s guess at this point.
Exactly.
Nor do I.
Poor choice of words on my end. Bluntly, Odell and this player believe he(Odell) is being traded to the Browns per Odell himself. I tend to be skeptical even after I hear anything because a lot of info can get twisted, so I’m trying to be careful with my words. Me saying I don’t know why he believes this is what I’m being careful of because I do not know if the giants have said anything or if Odell is creating it.
You are reading the headline of the contract. He has future year salaries that are guaranteed, but that is immaterial to us if he is traded. The future year guarantees inflate the overall contract number to grab the headline. The only real detriment to the Giants is the original $20M signing bonus. Trade him this year, we eat $16M. Trade him next year, we eat $12M. None of the cap hits are detrimental.
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To trade Beckham after agreeing to a 5 year, $95 mil contract? I don’t think they would.
You are reading the headline of the contract. He has future year salaries that are guaranteed, but that is immaterial to us if he is traded. The future year guarantees inflate the overall contract number to grab the headline. The only real detriment to the Giants is the original $20M signing bonus. Trade him this year, we eat $16M. Trade him next year, we eat $12M. None of the cap hits are detrimental.
I don’t think that’s what he’s referring to. I think he’s referring to the fact that if they wanted to trade him they wouldn’t have signed him.
I think he wants to be here. But, it wouldn't surprise me if his name being attached to these rumors on a seemingly daily basis is just starting to weigh on him to the point where he's like... just get me out of here.
It's exhausting as a fan. I can't even imagine what it's like for the player. It's the same headline written differently every single week. Even when he's not in the news or out of the spotlight and nothing is going on... we still get this stuff constantly. He's probably just as tired of it as we are.
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The best part about this Browns thing is that there's a star wide receiver who is actively trying to get himself traded and whose team said they were going to trade him, and I'm still seeing far more people speculating about Odell 😂
So, an unsubstantiated rumor - one that is basically being debunked one by one now - is proof that the Giants are "rudderless" ?
Some of you guys have weird ways of drawing conclusions and determining what you deem to be convincing.
You are reading the headline of the contract. He has future year salaries that are guaranteed, but that is immaterial....
I get your point Diver, actual dollars lost are not the $95 mil. NYG obviously wanted him here. His trade value ought to be a king’s ransom.
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You would be happy with a first and a Guard for ODB?