But the best pick of the bunch being the #17 overall pick isn't good enough for a talent like Beckham who's still only 26. Even if the Browns were to offer us their 1st round pick for next year; there's no guarantee the Browns are going to suck this year like they have prior to the 2018 season when they were decent for the first time in ages. If anything, CLE is trending upwards, so getting another mid-round (or possibly worse) 1st round pick isn't going to cut it. Unless they're going to take the 17th pick and their 6th pick and package it to move up and get their guy. Outside of that though, eh. If they do trade Beckham this offseason, it's also a hell of a way to just about guarantee another top 5 pick in next year's draft, though. And that wouldn't be a bad thing.
But the best pick of the bunch being the #17 overall pick isn't good enough for a talent like Beckham who's still only 26. Even if the Browns were to offer us their 1st round pick for next year; there's no guarantee the Browns are going to suck this year like they have prior to the 2018 season when they were decent for the first time in ages. If anything, CLE is trending upwards, so getting another mid-round (or possibly worse) 1st round pick isn't going to cut it. Unless they're going to take the 17th pick and their 6th pick and package it to move up and get their guy. Outside of that though, eh. If they do trade Beckham this offseason, it's also a hell of a way to just about guarantee another top 5 pick in next year's draft, though. And that wouldn't be a bad thing.
To me, it needs to be 17 this year, next years 1st, Zeitler and THEN we can start negotiating. Prob need to get their 3rd and they take Vernon. I might take that.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
You can argue the best WR on super bowl winning team in the last 5 years is Damariyus Thomas, Alshon Jeffrey or Edelman.
OBJ world class athlete and special WR talent but disposable. You can surround this offense with talent at the WR position that is also capable of supporting the QB of the future.
This guy will continue throw tantrums on the sidelines while this team rebuilds. DG is going to get what he can for him.
What have you seen from DG’s GM’ing acumen to conclude that’s an unrealistic trade? Do you have faith this guy won’t get railroaded in a potential Beckham blockbuster? I don’t.
What have you seen from DG that concludes he gets the short end of the stick in trades? It is like people woke up at the start of last year and think his career has been one 5-11 team that he just stood by and made bad move after bad move.
he's gonna make moves in the best interest of the Giants. If Cleveland offers him a shit deal, or even a decent deal, he's gonna tell them to fuck off. Anything less than 2 first rounders is a joke. Cooper was dealt for a first rounder.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Ive never seen you post before but this is the most compelling and truthful anti-OBJ posts I have ever read. Kudos.
But we can get more for him than fucking Zeitler, another player and "a draft pick."
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Ive never seen you post before but this is the most compelling and truthful anti-OBJ posts I have ever read. Kudos.
But we can get more for him than fucking Zeitler, another player and "a draft pick."
Appreciate that. I’ve been a long time follower and have only posted a handful of times, I was in OBJ’s side for many years because of how talented he is. His attitude although not ever great, has become too much to handle for an organization like the Giants. He would be fine screwing around like this in a smaller market. My feeling on him all year being dealt is solely based on the archetype of people involved, mostly DG. DG does not give a shit who you are. He proved it in CAR with Norman, he’s going to do the same thing here. Eli’s pulse is barely beating yes, but I believe this all crumbled when OBJ decided to hold that ridiculous interview. He thinks he’s LT. He’s done NOTHING to warrant that and is just as much a part of the problem as all the other problems. Talent < character.
that the Giants are rudderless, I don't know what it's going to take.
So, an unsubstantiated rumor - one that is basically being debunked one by one now - is proof that the Giants are "rudderless" ?
Some of you guys have weird ways of drawing conclusions and determining what you deem to be convincing.
you would be correct if this was not the only evidence of the idiocy and incompetence of the Giants front office.
Let's review just some of the idiocy on display...
The hire DG and he proceeds to ridicule nerds with computers, disparaging the entire trend toward analytics of all professional sports (and all successful franchises). He tells us they are a win now team and that Eli can lead this team to the super bowl. he signs odell to a huge contract but then he dumps half the defense but he signed jonathan stewart and gave ogletree a huge contract. meanwhile we will keep eli, still awful, because we have to do a slow rebuild, in an era when every other team is doing a fast rebuild, because we can still be competitive with eli (no we can't).
DG is not a smart man.
If he was serious about building a winning franchise he would have drafted a qb in 2018. We didnt do that so what next. If we go through 2019 without a successor it will prove this team is literally a joke. in today's nfl you don't do 5 year rebuilds.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Ive never seen you post before but this is the most compelling and truthful anti-OBJ posts I have ever read. Kudos.
But we can get more for him than fucking Zeitler, another player and "a draft pick."
Appreciate that. I’ve been a long time follower and have only posted a handful of times, I was in OBJ’s side for many years because of how talented he is. His attitude although not ever great, has become too much to handle for an organization like the Giants. He would be fine screwing around like this in a smaller market. My feeling on him all year being dealt is solely based on the archetype of people involved, mostly DG. DG does not give a shit who you are. He proved it in CAR with Norman, he’s going to do the same thing here. Eli’s pulse is barely beating yes, but I believe this all crumbled when OBJ decided to hold that ridiculous interview. He thinks he’s LT. He’s done NOTHING to warrant that and is just as much a part of the problem as all the other problems. Talent < character.
I’ve never posted asshat info before, but I have a close connection to a giants player. Word is there is def legs to this rumor, but no one knows who or what’s involved. But, OBJ and this player believe he’s going to be traded to the Browns. Again, not earth shattering stuff to what’s being put out there but do know it’s not just random and made up, it has legs. Obviously if I get anything more concrete I’ll share, but I won’t start a thread on it, prob post discretely.
I would be very disappointed given their draft position and likely ones next year. I would want an absolute haul for OBJ especially given the cap ramifications etc.
misbehaved and was a distraction. He shows up to work everyday.
Because the people in charge have shown zero ability to ignore or defuse (usually) media-driven nonsense that doesn't affect a team's ability to win or lose a game. Andy Reid might not know how to handle clock management, but he's great at minimizing nonsense.
To trade Beckham for anything other than a franchise QB is insanity Â
misbehaved and was a distraction. He shows up to work everyday.
Because the people in charge have shown zero ability to ignore or defuse (usually) media-driven nonsense that doesn't affect a team's ability to win or lose a game. Andy Reid might not know how to handle clock management, but he's great at minimizing nonsense.
exactly...media-driven. If the Maras are that sensitive, maybe they should think about moving the team to Iowa or something. I don't even think Tisch gives a fuck.
The owner is a dope who for the last half decade appears utterly clueless. The GM is a hired hand by the ol' boys network in Giants land whom inspire very little confidence and the overall franchise has the stench of death around it.
It's not a well run organization anymore. Far from it.
The owner is a dope who for the last half decade appears utterly clueless. The GM is a hired hand by the ol' boys network in Giants land whom inspire very little confidence and the overall franchise has the stench of death around it.
It's not a well run organization anymore. Far from it.
They would rather have boy scouts rather than players...just so the organization won't look bad. Nevermind behind under .500 every year. LT would surely be jettisoned for a 5th round pick today.
if the Giants can work out a deal that sends him to the Cards as part of compensation for Rosen, that might make sense. I'm talking about a deal like this -
Giants send Beckham to Cleveland
Cleveland sends their 1st + either Zeitler or Hubbard to the Giants.
Cleveland sends Duke Johnson + their 2nd to Arizona
Arizona sends Rosen to the Giants
Cleveland gets Beckham
Arizona gets Johnson + Cleveland's 2nd
Giants get Rosen + either Zeitler or Hubbard + Cleveland's 1st
RE: Regarding Duke, while he wouldn't be of much use to the Giants, Â
if the Giants can work out a deal that sends him to the Cards as part of compensation for Rosen, that might make sense. I'm talking about a deal like this -
Giants send Beckham to Cleveland
Cleveland sends their 1st + either Zeitler or Hubbard to the Giants.
Cleveland sends Duke Johnson + their 2nd to Arizona
Arizona sends Rosen to the Giants
Cleveland gets Beckham
Arizona gets Johnson + Cleveland's 2nd
Giants get Rosen + either Zeitler or Hubbard + Cleveland's 1st
That's a lot of typing and thought going into this but
1. This is purely a made up rumor about OBJ and Cleveland
2. Why would Arizona be interested in bringing in Duke Johnson? Yes, I like Duke Johnson but they have one of the better backs in the league, had a nice backup RB to DJ that showed promise, and have a million other needs than RB. If they are trading Rosen, Duke Johnson isn't sweetening any pot.
I know that the chances of a 3 way deal like this are somewhere Â
between slim and none, but it's fun to speculate. Regarding Duke going to the Cards, David Johnson didn't have a great year (3.6 ypc) and they don't have much behind him.
RE: RE: Regarding Duke, while he wouldn't be of much use to the Giants, Â
if the Giants can work out a deal that sends him to the Cards as part of compensation for Rosen, that might make sense. I'm talking about a deal like this -
Giants send Beckham to Cleveland
Cleveland sends their 1st + either Zeitler or Hubbard to the Giants.
Cleveland sends Duke Johnson + their 2nd to Arizona
Arizona sends Rosen to the Giants
Cleveland gets Beckham
Arizona gets Johnson + Cleveland's 2nd
Giants get Rosen + either Zeitler or Hubbard + Cleveland's 1st
That's a lot of typing and thought going into this but
1. This is purely a made up rumor about OBJ and Cleveland
2. Why would Arizona be interested in bringing in Duke Johnson? Yes, I like Duke Johnson but they have one of the better backs in the league, had a nice backup RB to DJ that showed promise, and have a million other needs than RB. If they are trading Rosen, Duke Johnson isn't sweetening any pot.
Whoever made up this rumor must be having fun watching it blow up.
RE: I know that the chances of a 3 way deal like this are somewhere Â
between slim and none, but it's fun to speculate. Regarding Duke going to the Cards, David Johnson didn't have a great year (3.6 ypc) and they don't have much behind him.
That's because their OL was the worst in football and had a new coaching staff. Also, they were raving about Chase Edmonds.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Pretty fair and accurate assessment of the situation, IMO.
It’s obvious Odell feels like Eli is (and has been) holding him backing from reaching his full potential. He’s held him back from the statistical seasons he has set as his goals. He has kept quiet about the true reasonings for years, while it brews inside of him, just getting worse and worse. He has seen the General Manager(s) not truly trying to get an upgrade at the QB position, outside of some dart throw options, and continue to kick the can down the road on their crumbling (used to be) face of the franchise. He’s watched as they hold onto the past and continue to pump resources into the offense to try to revitalize that old QB, such as Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram and Saquon Barkley. All the while, their shiny, aging Lamborghini is getting dusty and faded. New cars are being brought in that go faster, that are bigger or more shifty, but the driver remains the same.
Now, we are going to deal him away, due to that frustration, because they can’t let go of the past. Their blind loyalty to Eli is going to cost them significantly. Their brand to their fan base is more important than the team they put on the field. Well, that brand is getting dusty and worn just like that Lamborghini. Time to find a new driver that can drive the damn thing before it breaks down and loses all value.
or off base than the picture being painted that Odell is a victim of Eli.
First off, they both had a lot of success together right off the bat.
Second, this isn't the way it played out on the field in a very winnable playoff game. You can joke about the boat all you want but the fact is if Odell had played better that day, that's a much different game. So in what turned out to be the only big game on record in the Eli/Odell era, Beckham played like crap and Eli was his usual great postseason self.
Gettleman was so right about bullshit narratives being pushed around.
or off base than the picture being painted that Odell is a victim of Eli.
First off, they both had a lot of success together right off the bat.
Second, this isn't the way it played out on the field in a very winnable playoff game. You can joke about the boat all you want but the fact is if Odell had played better that day, that's a much different game. So in what turned out to be the only big game on record in the Eli/Odell era, Beckham played like crap and Eli was his usual great postseason self.
Gettleman was so right about bullshit narratives being pushed around.
Yes because Eli was great his first two post season games. The defense fell apart once DRC went out. It wasn’t just on Odell. Whose been the better player the last four years?
It’s obvious Odell feels like Eli is (and has been) holding him backing from reaching his full potential. He’s held him back from the statistical seasons he has set as his goals. He has kept quiet about the true reasonings for years, while it brews inside of him, just getting worse and worse. He has seen the General Manager(s) not truly trying to get an upgrade at the QB position, outside of some dart throw options, and continue to kick the can down the road on their crumbling (used to be) face of the franchise. He’s watched as they hold onto the past and continue to pump resources into the offense to try to revitalize that old QB, such as Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram and Saquon Barkley. All the while, their shiny, aging Lamborghini is getting dusty and faded. New cars are being brought in that go faster, that are bigger or more shifty, but the driver remains the same.
Now, we are going to deal him away, due to that frustration, because they can’t let go of the past. Their blind loyalty to Eli is going to cost them significantly. Their brand to their fan base is more important than the team they put on the field. Well, that brand is getting dusty and worn just like that Lamborghini. Time to find a new driver that can drive the damn thing before it breaks down and loses all value.
It’s obvious Odell feels like Eli is (and has been) holding him backing from reaching his full potential. He’s held him back from the statistical seasons he has set as his goals. He has kept quiet about the true reasonings for years, while it brews inside of him, just getting worse and worse. He has seen the General Manager(s) not truly trying to get an upgrade at the QB position, outside of some dart throw options, and continue to kick the can down the road on their crumbling (used to be) face of the franchise. He’s watched as they hold onto the past and continue to pump resources into the offense to try to revitalize that old QB, such as Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram and Saquon Barkley. All the while, their shiny, aging Lamborghini is getting dusty and faded. New cars are being brought in that go faster, that are bigger or more shifty, but the driver remains the same.
Now, we are going to deal him away, due to that frustration, because they can’t let go of the past. Their blind loyalty to Eli is going to cost them significantly. Their brand to their fan base is more important than the team they put on the field. Well, that brand is getting dusty and worn just like that Lamborghini. Time to find a new driver that can drive the damn thing before it breaks down and loses all value.
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Would be a step in the right direction.
You would be happy with a first and a Guard for ODB?
And it's only a mid-first pick as that.
This also was refuted by Dunleavy today who said the best offer the Giants got was a 4th.
There was some weird Twitter stuff last night regarding OBJ and the Browns but nothing verified
Mind elaborating on that?
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Mind elaborating on that?
He's referring to the poster - not Jabril.
Scroll up a few posts.
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Mind elaborating on that?
He's referring to the poster - not Jabril.
Scroll up a few posts.
Ahh. gotcha..thx arc
To me, it needs to be 17 this year, next years 1st, Zeitler and THEN we can start negotiating. Prob need to get their 3rd and they take Vernon. I might take that.
Who the hell cares whom they trade other than Barkley
Also agree. I saw plenty of good from Brown last year that leads me to believe he can be just fine and maybe half as pricey.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Beckham shit on Mara’s head after Mara handed him millions.
DG and Shurmur stuck their necks out for him when they got here as a peace offering.
It got them nowhere.
OBJ world class athlete and special WR talent but disposable. You can surround this offense with talent at the WR position that is also capable of supporting the QB of the future.
This guy will continue throw tantrums on the sidelines while this team rebuilds. DG is going to get what he can for him.
What have you seen from DG that concludes he gets the short end of the stick in trades? It is like people woke up at the start of last year and think his career has been one 5-11 team that he just stood by and made bad move after bad move.
It is pretty odd.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Ive never seen you post before but this is the most compelling and truthful anti-OBJ posts I have ever read. Kudos.
But we can get more for him than fucking Zeitler, another player and "a draft pick."
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“We didn’t sign him to trade him.”
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Ive never seen you post before but this is the most compelling and truthful anti-OBJ posts I have ever read. Kudos.
But we can get more for him than fucking Zeitler, another player and "a draft pick."
Appreciate that. I’ve been a long time follower and have only posted a handful of times, I was in OBJ’s side for many years because of how talented he is. His attitude although not ever great, has become too much to handle for an organization like the Giants. He would be fine screwing around like this in a smaller market. My feeling on him all year being dealt is solely based on the archetype of people involved, mostly DG. DG does not give a shit who you are. He proved it in CAR with Norman, he’s going to do the same thing here. Eli’s pulse is barely beating yes, but I believe this all crumbled when OBJ decided to hold that ridiculous interview. He thinks he’s LT. He’s done NOTHING to warrant that and is just as much a part of the problem as all the other problems. Talent < character.
Duh. Obviously an interview is alot more impactful than the entire franchise being damn near completely incompetent for 7 years straight.
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The interview is what caused the Giants to crumble
Duh. Obviously an interview is alot more impactful than the entire franchise being damn near completely incompetent for 7 years straight.
When multiplied by one boat the math adds up.
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that the Giants are rudderless, I don't know what it's going to take.
So, an unsubstantiated rumor - one that is basically being debunked one by one now - is proof that the Giants are "rudderless" ?
Some of you guys have weird ways of drawing conclusions and determining what you deem to be convincing.
you would be correct if this was not the only evidence of the idiocy and incompetence of the Giants front office.
Let's review just some of the idiocy on display...
The hire DG and he proceeds to ridicule nerds with computers, disparaging the entire trend toward analytics of all professional sports (and all successful franchises). He tells us they are a win now team and that Eli can lead this team to the super bowl. he signs odell to a huge contract but then he dumps half the defense but he signed jonathan stewart and gave ogletree a huge contract. meanwhile we will keep eli, still awful, because we have to do a slow rebuild, in an era when every other team is doing a fast rebuild, because we can still be competitive with eli (no we can't).
DG is not a smart man.
If he was serious about building a winning franchise he would have drafted a qb in 2018. We didnt do that so what next. If we go through 2019 without a successor it will prove this team is literally a joke. in today's nfl you don't do 5 year rebuilds.
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“We didn’t sign him to trade him.”
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Ive never seen you post before but this is the most compelling and truthful anti-OBJ posts I have ever read. Kudos.
But we can get more for him than fucking Zeitler, another player and "a draft pick."
Appreciate that. I’ve been a long time follower and have only posted a handful of times, I was in OBJ’s side for many years because of how talented he is. His attitude although not ever great, has become too much to handle for an organization like the Giants. He would be fine screwing around like this in a smaller market. My feeling on him all year being dealt is solely based on the archetype of people involved, mostly DG. DG does not give a shit who you are. He proved it in CAR with Norman, he’s going to do the same thing here. Eli’s pulse is barely beating yes, but I believe this all crumbled when OBJ decided to hold that ridiculous interview. He thinks he’s LT. He’s done NOTHING to warrant that and is just as much a part of the problem as all the other problems. Talent < character.
Such a pathetic troll job.
I would be very disappointed given their draft position and likely ones next year. I would want an absolute haul for OBJ especially given the cap ramifications etc.
Because the people in charge have shown zero ability to ignore or defuse (usually) media-driven nonsense that doesn't affect a team's ability to win or lose a game. Andy Reid might not know how to handle clock management, but he's great at minimizing nonsense.
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misbehaved and was a distraction. He shows up to work everyday.
Because the people in charge have shown zero ability to ignore or defuse (usually) media-driven nonsense that doesn't affect a team's ability to win or lose a game. Andy Reid might not know how to handle clock management, but he's great at minimizing nonsense.
exactly...media-driven. If the Maras are that sensitive, maybe they should think about moving the team to Iowa or something. I don't even think Tisch gives a fuck.
It's not a well run organization anymore. Far from it.
It's not a well run organization anymore. Far from it.
They would rather have boy scouts rather than players...just so the organization won't look bad. Nevermind behind under .500 every year. LT would surely be jettisoned for a 5th round pick today.
Giants send Beckham to Cleveland
Cleveland sends their 1st + either Zeitler or Hubbard to the Giants.
Cleveland sends Duke Johnson + their 2nd to Arizona
Arizona sends Rosen to the Giants
Cleveland gets Beckham
Arizona gets Johnson + Cleveland's 2nd
Giants get Rosen + either Zeitler or Hubbard + Cleveland's 1st
Giants send Beckham to Cleveland
Cleveland sends their 1st + either Zeitler or Hubbard to the Giants.
Cleveland sends Duke Johnson + their 2nd to Arizona
Arizona sends Rosen to the Giants
Cleveland gets Beckham
Arizona gets Johnson + Cleveland's 2nd
Giants get Rosen + either Zeitler or Hubbard + Cleveland's 1st
That's a lot of typing and thought going into this but
1. This is purely a made up rumor about OBJ and Cleveland
2. Why would Arizona be interested in bringing in Duke Johnson? Yes, I like Duke Johnson but they have one of the better backs in the league, had a nice backup RB to DJ that showed promise, and have a million other needs than RB. If they are trading Rosen, Duke Johnson isn't sweetening any pot.
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if the Giants can work out a deal that sends him to the Cards as part of compensation for Rosen, that might make sense. I'm talking about a deal like this -
Giants send Beckham to Cleveland
Cleveland sends their 1st + either Zeitler or Hubbard to the Giants.
Cleveland sends Duke Johnson + their 2nd to Arizona
Arizona sends Rosen to the Giants
Cleveland gets Beckham
Arizona gets Johnson + Cleveland's 2nd
Giants get Rosen + either Zeitler or Hubbard + Cleveland's 1st
That's a lot of typing and thought going into this but
1. This is purely a made up rumor about OBJ and Cleveland
2. Why would Arizona be interested in bringing in Duke Johnson? Yes, I like Duke Johnson but they have one of the better backs in the league, had a nice backup RB to DJ that showed promise, and have a million other needs than RB. If they are trading Rosen, Duke Johnson isn't sweetening any pot.
Whoever made up this rumor must be having fun watching it blow up.
That's because their OL was the worst in football and had a new coaching staff. Also, they were raving about Chase Edmonds.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Pretty fair and accurate assessment of the situation, IMO.
Did you not see how Cooper changed that offense this year?
Now, we are going to deal him away, due to that frustration, because they can’t let go of the past. Their blind loyalty to Eli is going to cost them significantly. Their brand to their fan base is more important than the team they put on the field. Well, that brand is getting dusty and worn just like that Lamborghini. Time to find a new driver that can drive the damn thing before it breaks down and loses all value.
Well done
First off, they both had a lot of success together right off the bat.
Second, this isn't the way it played out on the field in a very winnable playoff game. You can joke about the boat all you want but the fact is if Odell had played better that day, that's a much different game. So in what turned out to be the only big game on record in the Eli/Odell era, Beckham played like crap and Eli was his usual great postseason self.
Gettleman was so right about bullshit narratives being pushed around.
First off, they both had a lot of success together right off the bat.
Second, this isn't the way it played out on the field in a very winnable playoff game. You can joke about the boat all you want but the fact is if Odell had played better that day, that's a much different game. So in what turned out to be the only big game on record in the Eli/Odell era, Beckham played like crap and Eli was his usual great postseason self.
Gettleman was so right about bullshit narratives being pushed around.
Yes because Eli was great his first two post season games. The defense fell apart once DRC went out. It wasn’t just on Odell. Whose been the better player the last four years?
Who cares?
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Whose been the better player the last four years?
Who cares?
The poster was comparing Odell and Eli, not me. It matters when there’s people in this thread blaming Odell for the “crumbling of the Giants”
Now, we are going to deal him away, due to that frustration, because they can’t let go of the past. Their blind loyalty to Eli is going to cost them significantly. Their brand to their fan base is more important than the team they put on the field. Well, that brand is getting dusty and worn just like that Lamborghini. Time to find a new driver that can drive the damn thing before it breaks down and loses all value.
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Whose been the better player the last four years?
Who cares?
The poster was comparing Odell and Eli, not me. It matters when there’s people in this thread blaming Odell for the “crumbling of the Giants”
He has been a constant in the last 5 years of Giants losing, right?
Now, we are going to deal him away, due to that frustration, because they can’t let go of the past. Their blind loyalty to Eli is going to cost them significantly. Their brand to their fan base is more important than the team they put on the field. Well, that brand is getting dusty and worn just like that Lamborghini. Time to find a new driver that can drive the damn thing before it breaks down and loses all value.
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