He's just a pain in their ass, apparently, and they thought paying him would shut him up, and a month later he's back to being a pain in their ass.
Kinda like what's happening with Antonio Brown right now.
It is what it is, but it's clearly not unprecedented. It's happening to another team RIGHT NOW. And the Rooney's and Mara's are similar. They don't want to deal with that sh-t.
Well then that would be wrong now, wouldnt it? He's been part of the team for 5 years and the team has sucked for 4 of them. So yes, he has been part of the problem. Maybe not as big as others - but he is responsible for it too.
Well then that would be wrong now, wouldnt it? He's been part of the team for 5 years and the team has sucked for 4 of them. So yes, he has been part of the problem. Maybe not as big as others - but he is responsible for it too.
That’s complete nonsense. There’s a difference being part of the losing and being a cause of the losing. They are a better team with Odell on the field, the one year they didn’t suck was largely because of him and the defense.
That’s complete nonsense. There’s a difference being part of the losing and being a cause of the losing. They are a better team with Odell on the field, the one year they didn’t suck was largely because of him and the defense.
He's not getting potentially traded because of his talent.
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
It sounds like he might be getting traded because other teams see an opportunity to acquire a special talent and are doing their best to separate that talent from an organization in transition (to be kind).
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Actually, Dallas' offense changed dramatically the second they acquired Amari Cooper. And they were willing to overpay to get him because that's how bad their WR group was and how poor their pass game production had been.
Dallas went 7-2 after Cooper arrived. He completely changed their offense. They were 1-5 when he got there.
In 2014, when they went 12-4, Dez Bryant had an all-pro season and scored 16 times.
But, don't let simple facts like these wreck your hyperbole-laden rant...
He's not getting potentially traded because of his talent.
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
It sounds like he might be getting traded because other teams see an opportunity to acquire a special talent and are doing their best to separate that talent from an organization in transition (to be kind).
We were in transition when we signed him to a 90 million dollar contract.
They clearly wanted to keep him and made a commitment to him. He essentially spit in their face. That sounds dramatic, but that's basically what he did.
and he pissed in the wind last year with the ESPN interview.
Tough hearing the truth isn’t it?
Then maybe he shouldn't have signed the contract?
Here’s some money! Want it? No? Sure thing, bud. Get him a QB that doesn’t see ghosts and can toss the ball down the field consistently. They haven’t and until they do, his talent is wasted. *Eli stare*
I’ve been a huge Eli truther, for years. Now it’s time to move on. Simple as that.
He's not getting potentially traded because of his talent.
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
I think this is mostly right.
And if they eventually transition to a new QB I could see the grandsires at Jints Central being very concerned how OBJ would interact with a young QB. Especially the moments when the young QB struggles...
Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
If that was his plan then that's sh-tty and I would think eveery Giants fan would be unanimously pissed about that.
There’s a lot to be pissed off about right now as a Giant fan.
As to orchestrating it, I don’t think he signed the contract with that intent.
But I do think the interview is totally different if they start 3-1 or 2-2 and not 1-3 with a sputtering offense.
That’s complete nonsense. There’s a difference being part of the losing and being a cause of the losing. They are a better team with Odell on the field, the one year they didn’t suck was largely because of him and the defense.
Win as a team, lose as a team. Right?
That's a lovely phrase, but it is a silly over simplification with no meaning. If anyone believed that, they would simply cut everyone and try again the next year with a new team after losing.
So if you were the GM, would you be shopping Barkley since he was just as responsible for the losing last year as anyone, and probably offers the highest return?
Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
If that was his plan then that's sh-tty and I would think eveery Giants fan would be unanimously pissed about that.
There’s a lot to be pissed off about right now as a Giant fan.
As to orchestrating it, I don’t think he signed the contract with that intent.
But I do think the interview is totally different if they start 3-1 or 2-2 and not 1-3 with a sputtering offense.
Well ask yourself this... Do you really want the face of your franchise to be somebody that turns on you at the first sign of adversity?
Can we all agree that the interview was ridiculous and in bad taste at least?
I wouldn't be as worried about the WR position. If a trade were to go down (huge 'if'), I'd like to see the Giants take advantage of the supposedly strong TE draft and get a guy (or even two) to group with Engram. Passing out of 12 personnel was a full YPA better than passing out of 11 last season, and it seems like a great way to make Barkley's and Eli's lives easier. I really like the Iowa TE.
Huge amounts of play action out of 2 TE sets.
We agree. And now the universe with expose. But seriously i would love to get the Iowa kid in here go with the 2-3 TE set. That kid is a future star.
Tom Coughlin, Jerry Reese, Ben McAdoo, Dave Gettleman, John Mara, Â
None of them have gotten him to just "shut up and play" yet.
And maybe he shouldn't have to. That's his prerogative. And it's also ownership's prerogative not to want to listen to it.
It is what it is.
DG has been hear for one year. Was he not able to get OBJ to play last year? Or are we counting everytime OBJ says something stupid off the field?
Coughlin showed no willingness to try and get OBJ to shut up and play. Had he not stood silently on the sidelines and watched him self destruct against Carolina maybe the behavior on the field could have been curtailed.
We all know McAdoo couldn't control the lockerroom at all.
If he doesn't, that is also partially on PS and DG to get him to shut his mouth and play football.
He's played for everybody. The key word is "shut his mouth" and play.
Gettleman signed him to a 90 million dollar deal, at Shurmur's insistence that he could keep him under control.
One month later, he's sitting next to little Wayne on national TV saying he wouldn't mind playing somewhere else and being non committal on his QB and everything else.
That's not getting somebody to shut their mouth and play.
misbehaved and was a distraction. He shows up to work everyday.
It’s a myth. Fans insist on believing that distractions actually exist. The fans are distracted when Beckham says something stupid.. The players, coaches and front office members are annoyed. There’s a big difference.
I’ve never seen Eli miss a pass or the LT miss a block because Beckham said something stupid earlier that week. And neither has anyone here.
What have we definitely seen? We’ve seen some of the most tumultuous, cantankerous and “distracting” locker rooms of all time win multiple world titles. Too many to count. That’s the facts.
You sound nuts. But I guess anybody that identifies themself as a truther of anything does.
Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
After his 5th year option, franchise tag, another franchise tag. All along, Eli isn’t doing him any favors on the football field. Let’s not stretch the truth here, involving money and I won’t stretch the truth on Odell. Is he an asshole? Yep. Is he frustrating to watch when his antics get out of control? Sure does. Does he make stupid ass decisions on a boat and interview? I’ll give you that. However, he’s amazing at what he does and he isn’t getting any help from the most important position in the sport
He's not getting potentially traded because of his talent.
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
DG has been quite aggressive purging those deemed with questionable character. I think he did the same in Carolina. They extended Beckham such a long leash because of his amazing talent. But with the latest stuff I think theyve just about had it and are thinking of just rebuilding the offense around Barkley if they can get a good enough deal for him. Beckham getting traded is very real if someone ponies up a substancial enough offer, I think.
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Actually, Dallas' offense changed dramatically the second they acquired Amari Cooper. And they were willing to overpay to get him because that's how bad their WR group was and how poor their pass game production had been.
Dallas went 7-2 after Cooper arrived. He completely changed their offense. They were 1-5 when he got there.
In 2014, when they went 12-4, Dez Bryant had an all-pro season and scored 16 times.
But, don't let simple facts like these wreck your hyperbole-laden rant...
Cooper made a big difference there as they were able to properly utilize him. OL protection, half decent playcalling etc.
You sound nuts. But I guess anybody that identifies themself as a truther of anything does.
Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
After his 5th year option, franchise tag, another franchise tag. All along, Eli isn’t doing him any favors on the football field. Let’s not stretch the truth here, involving money and I won’t stretch the truth on Odell. Is he an asshole? Yep. Is he frustrating to watch when his antics get out of control? Sure does. Does he make stupid ass decisions on a boat and interview? I’ll give you that. However, he’s amazing at what he does and he isn’t getting any help from the most important position in the sport
And what happens if they bring a rookie QB in and he struggles, and Odell is not "getting his"? Ownership going to stand by and let him drag a rookie through the media, too? It's not a good look. Eli is a veteran with nothing left to prove to anybody. He's a pro and can handle the criticism. A rookie QB may be a different story.
He's just a pain in their ass, apparently, and they thought paying him would shut him up, and a month later he's back to being a pain in their ass.
Kinda like what's happening with Antonio Brown right now.
It is what it is, but it's clearly not unprecedented. It's happening to another team RIGHT NOW. And the Rooney's and Mara's are similar. They don't want to deal with that sh-t.
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Whose been the better player the last four years?
Who cares?
The poster was comparing Odell and Eli, not me. It matters when there’s people in this thread blaming Odell for the “crumbling of the Giants”
He has been a constant in the last 5 years of Giants losing, right?
So has Eli hasn’t he? You actually think Odell is part of the problem?
So has Eli hasn’t he? You actually think Odell is part of the problem?
Yes I do. I think anyone who has been part of the team and organization and has played in the last 7 years has been part of the problem.
Well then that would be wrong now, wouldnt it? He's been part of the team for 5 years and the team has sucked for 4 of them. So yes, he has been part of the problem. Maybe not as big as others - but he is responsible for it too.
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
But I'm not stroking that check, either.
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Well then that would be wrong now, wouldnt it? He's been part of the team for 5 years and the team has sucked for 4 of them. So yes, he has been part of the problem. Maybe not as big as others - but he is responsible for it too.
That’s complete nonsense. There’s a difference being part of the losing and being a cause of the losing. They are a better team with Odell on the field, the one year they didn’t suck was largely because of him and the defense.
That’s complete nonsense. There’s a difference being part of the losing and being a cause of the losing. They are a better team with Odell on the field, the one year they didn’t suck was largely because of him and the defense.
Win as a team, lose as a team. Right?
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
It sounds like he might be getting traded because other teams see an opportunity to acquire a special talent and are doing their best to separate that talent from an organization in transition (to be kind).
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Actually, Dallas' offense changed dramatically the second they acquired Amari Cooper. And they were willing to overpay to get him because that's how bad their WR group was and how poor their pass game production had been.
Dallas went 7-2 after Cooper arrived. He completely changed their offense. They were 1-5 when he got there.
In 2014, when they went 12-4, Dez Bryant had an all-pro season and scored 16 times.
But, don't let simple facts like these wreck your hyperbole-laden rant...
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He's not getting potentially traded because of his talent.
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
It sounds like he might be getting traded because other teams see an opportunity to acquire a special talent and are doing their best to separate that talent from an organization in transition (to be kind).
We were in transition when we signed him to a 90 million dollar contract.
They clearly wanted to keep him and made a commitment to him. He essentially spit in their face. That sounds dramatic, but that's basically what he did.
Tough hearing the truth isn’t it?
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and he pissed in the wind last year with the ESPN interview.
Tough hearing the truth isn’t it?
Then maybe he shouldn't have signed the contract?
Yeah, because this team is ‘ready’ with Eli under center. *stare*
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and he pissed in the wind last year with the ESPN interview.
Tough hearing the truth isn’t it?
Then maybe he shouldn't have signed the contract?
Here’s some money! Want it? No? Sure thing, bud. Get him a QB that doesn’t see ghosts and can toss the ball down the field consistently. They haven’t and until they do, his talent is wasted. *Eli stare*
I’ve been a huge Eli truther, for years. Now it’s time to move on. Simple as that.
"Idk"
Pretty shitty look.
Whether he wanted to be here or not, he was taking that $$$ before he could suffer another major injury.
You trade him, the compensation better be awesome though.
You sound nuts. But I guess anybody that identifies themself as a truther of anything does.
Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
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Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
If that was his plan then that's sh-tty and I would think eveery Giants fan would be unanimously pissed about that.
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Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
If that was his plan then that's sh-tty and I would think eveery Giants fan would be unanimously pissed about that.
do you think thats whats going on? Do you think Odell is orchestrating a trade?
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
I think this is mostly right.
And if they eventually transition to a new QB I could see the grandsires at Jints Central being very concerned how OBJ would interact with a young QB. Especially the moments when the young QB struggles...
do you think thats whats going on? Do you think Odell is orchestrating a trade?
If you give me 100 dollars to bet on it.... I would day absolutely. He doesnt want to be in NY. He has vocally said this to the media.
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Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
If that was his plan then that's sh-tty and I would think eveery Giants fan would be unanimously pissed about that.
do you think thats whats going on? Do you think Odell is orchestrating a trade?
Do I? I didn't suggest it. I said it would be sh-tty if he was, which is what another poster suggested.
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Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
If that was his plan then that's sh-tty and I would think eveery Giants fan would be unanimously pissed about that.
There’s a lot to be pissed off about right now as a Giant fan.
As to orchestrating it, I don’t think he signed the contract with that intent.
But I do think the interview is totally different if they start 3-1 or 2-2 and not 1-3 with a sputtering offense.
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That’s complete nonsense. There’s a difference being part of the losing and being a cause of the losing. They are a better team with Odell on the field, the one year they didn’t suck was largely because of him and the defense.
Win as a team, lose as a team. Right?
That's a lovely phrase, but it is a silly over simplification with no meaning. If anyone believed that, they would simply cut everyone and try again the next year with a new team after losing.
So if you were the GM, would you be shopping Barkley since he was just as responsible for the losing last year as anyone, and probably offers the highest return?
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Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
Yeah, no.
Ever heard of the franchise tag?
He did the smart thing, take the money then orchestrate the trade.
If that was his plan then that's sh-tty and I would think eveery Giants fan would be unanimously pissed about that.
There’s a lot to be pissed off about right now as a Giant fan.
As to orchestrating it, I don’t think he signed the contract with that intent.
But I do think the interview is totally different if they start 3-1 or 2-2 and not 1-3 with a sputtering offense.
Well ask yourself this... Do you really want the face of your franchise to be somebody that turns on you at the first sign of adversity?
Can we all agree that the interview was ridiculous and in bad taste at least?
Is Odell going to sit patiently while that irons out for two or three years, or will he throw him under the bus too?
Is Odell going to sit patiently while that irons out for two or three years, or will he throw him under the bus too?
If he doesn't, that is also partially on PS and DG to get him to shut his mouth and play football.
If there is actually a problem you trade him away. You don't trade him because there may be a problem. The interview was dumb, but it is just words.
Who the hell cares whom they trade other than Barkley
That’s foolish and goes along with some of the loudest posters here lately.
Lets trade BJ hill and Hernandez while we’re at it.
Huge amounts of play action out of 2 TE sets.
We agree. And now the universe with expose. But seriously i would love to get the Iowa kid in here go with the 2-3 TE set. That kid is a future star.
None of them have gotten him to just "shut up and play" yet.
And maybe he shouldn't have to. That's his prerogative. And it's also ownership's prerogative not to want to listen to it.
It is what it is.
Apparently you haven’t seen the Pats much, huh? What the hell does 2019 have to do with anything?
None of them have gotten him to just "shut up and play" yet.
And maybe he shouldn't have to. That's his prerogative. And it's also ownership's prerogative not to want to listen to it.
It is what it is.
DG has been hear for one year. Was he not able to get OBJ to play last year? Or are we counting everytime OBJ says something stupid off the field?
Coughlin showed no willingness to try and get OBJ to shut up and play. Had he not stood silently on the sidelines and watched him self destruct against Carolina maybe the behavior on the field could have been curtailed.
We all know McAdoo couldn't control the lockerroom at all.
He's played for everybody. The key word is "shut his mouth" and play.
Gettleman signed him to a 90 million dollar deal, at Shurmur's insistence that he could keep him under control.
One month later, he's sitting next to little Wayne on national TV saying he wouldn't mind playing somewhere else and being non committal on his QB and everything else.
That's not getting somebody to shut their mouth and play.
It’s a myth. Fans insist on believing that distractions actually exist. The fans are distracted when Beckham says something stupid.. The players, coaches and front office members are annoyed. There’s a big difference.
I’ve never seen Eli miss a pass or the LT miss a block because Beckham said something stupid earlier that week. And neither has anyone here.
What have we definitely seen? We’ve seen some of the most tumultuous, cantankerous and “distracting” locker rooms of all time win multiple world titles. Too many to count. That’s the facts.
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In 2019?
Apparently you haven’t seen the Pats much, huh? What the hell does 2019 have to do with anything?
The Patriots ran 13 personnel 1% of the time, and 12 personnel 15%. They were in 11 personnel 73% of the time.
The game is played in 11 personnel, using draft capital to run 3 tight end sets makes no sense - and even less sense if you’re trading your best WR.
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
+1
You sound nuts. But I guess anybody that identifies themself as a truther of anything does.
Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
After his 5th year option, franchise tag, another franchise tag. All along, Eli isn’t doing him any favors on the football field. Let’s not stretch the truth here, involving money and I won’t stretch the truth on Odell. Is he an asshole? Yep. Is he frustrating to watch when his antics get out of control? Sure does. Does he make stupid ass decisions on a boat and interview? I’ll give you that. However, he’s amazing at what he does and he isn’t getting any help from the most important position in the sport
There is ZERO chance he gets franchised 2 years in a row. More likely that he gets franchised once and then traded.
He's getting potentially traded because they think he's a pain in the ass and bad for the culture.
That's all this is.
DG has been quite aggressive purging those deemed with questionable character. I think he did the same in Carolina. They extended Beckham such a long leash because of his amazing talent. But with the latest stuff I think theyve just about had it and are thinking of just rebuilding the offense around Barkley if they can get a good enough deal for him. Beckham getting traded is very real if someone ponies up a substancial enough offer, I think.
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“We didn’t sign him to trade him.”
They signed him thinking he had turned the corner. Showed up to workouts, played the “team” guy, put on the mask to get his deal. We’ve been saying this...
They all thought he turned the corner. Shurmur told Giants brass he could handle him, he wanted him.
The interview changed it ALL. It was a slap in the face to the organization and Mara got duped again. DG didn’t sign him to trade him until he went out and embarrassed them. He’s done.
He’s the biggest distraction this organization has seen and in the modern day era of sports it’s crippling. NO way they put up with the media frenzy this year.
Send his ass out of town. Build the line. Anyone notice the cowboys making the playoffs for all these years with a subpar QB, zero receiving threats but a killer o-line and stud running back? You don’t need this guy when you can build around 26 and the future QB.
Actually, Dallas' offense changed dramatically the second they acquired Amari Cooper. And they were willing to overpay to get him because that's how bad their WR group was and how poor their pass game production had been.
Dallas went 7-2 after Cooper arrived. He completely changed their offense. They were 1-5 when he got there.
In 2014, when they went 12-4, Dez Bryant had an all-pro season and scored 16 times.
But, don't let simple facts like these wreck your hyperbole-laden rant...
Cooper made a big difference there as they were able to properly utilize him. OL protection, half decent playcalling etc.
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*stare* ?
You sound nuts. But I guess anybody that identifies themself as a truther of anything does.
Odell could have easily gotten that contract from anybody. He could have turned it down and walked and played anywhere he wanted.
After his 5th year option, franchise tag, another franchise tag. All along, Eli isn’t doing him any favors on the football field. Let’s not stretch the truth here, involving money and I won’t stretch the truth on Odell. Is he an asshole? Yep. Is he frustrating to watch when his antics get out of control? Sure does. Does he make stupid ass decisions on a boat and interview? I’ll give you that. However, he’s amazing at what he does and he isn’t getting any help from the most important position in the sport
And what happens if they bring a rookie QB in and he struggles, and Odell is not "getting his"? Ownership going to stand by and let him drag a rookie through the media, too? It's not a good look. Eli is a veteran with nothing left to prove to anybody. He's a pro and can handle the criticism. A rookie QB may be a different story.
This is Odell. People need to understand this is Odell's fault, what is happening here. He is not a victim.