Notwithstanding the QB debate, If I'm the Giants right now, I think the next move is to secure a reasonable Right Tackle, and then use the rest of my money (smartly and not on big Ks) and draft resources on the defense.
Don't get me wrong -- I am not complaining about cutting Collins or Vernon loose.
Given the state of the Roster and the budget, I think you need to go young. Spend the entire draft on defense. Sign some Betcher guys. Put together an active young unit that can hustle around the field and play together with a few prototypes up front. In short: Go Terps the defense. I don't think you spend money on big contracts here. You want to develop a hungry player mentality.
Look at the Giants Defensive Roster right now. You basically have:
DT - Tomlinson and an UFA
DE - BJ Hill and RJ McIntosh and two UFAs
ILB - Ogletree and Goodson and a few UFAs
OLB - Kareem Martin, L. Carter, A Moss and some UFAs
CB Jenkins, Haley, Beal and some UFAs
S all UFAs including Thomas
FE - all UFAs including Chandler and a waiver PU
I'm also starting to develop the mindset that maybe it would be better to trade a pick from next year on Rosen instead of using a #1 pic on Haskins (if that's possible).
Some of this year's draft ERs (the strength of this Draft) need to be sprinkled into this Giants roster. Use it to get an ER or two (or three - one from the first round), a DT or two, a LB or 2, and a DB or two.
Sign a reasonable FA Safety, Free Safety, LB or two and re-sign Wynn and Mauro....
I don't know if Adderley will make it to #37.
Right Tackle should be the main target in free agency.
Depending on the QB plan, ER or 5 Tech could be a target in round 1.
Looking forward to tomorrow.
I've posted this a couple of times. Gettleman purged the defensive roster -- and a number of the replacement were 1 year filler.
As it stands this is the least talented Giants defense I can remember.
B.J. Hill
Dalvin Tomnlinson
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Kareem Martin
B.J. Goodson
Alec Ogletree
Lorezo Carter
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Jenoris Jenkins
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Build OL to Elite status while building an avg D..
Hold the ball for most of the game with a top flight run game and an above avg Passing and you can hide a bad defence.. Pat's have had a similar strategy for years but Bradys short game supplements the running game
Only thing that is different between us and Dallsd is we have an aging but still 2 time Superbowl MVP and a far more dynamic back
I think if done correctly this could be a fun team to watch
Zeitler for Vernon was an offensive move - the Offense is a different mindset than the defense
I'm forecasting a youth movement for the defense -- the offense should be a pretty decent offense by adding a RT
it's the defense that really needs an infusion right now and with Betcher is ripe for a youth movement
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Agreed... FA is about OL and maybe a few savvy vets on D while most of the draft will be O... wild card being the 6th overall...could go OL,QB ( BOO), DL, DB And the free agent who will take whatever money they would have paid Collins is not getting younger either.
Zeitler for Vernon was an offensive move - the Offense is a different mindset than the defense
I'm forecasting a youth movement for the defense -- the offense should be a pretty decent offense by adding a RT
it's the defense that really needs an infusion right now and with Betcher is ripe for a youth movement
I'm saying spend the draft on D
I am beginning to think... maybe DG doesn't OVERTHINK things and just grabs Jonah Williams, OT 'Bama, at 6. Or whomever he rates the top OT. JW is supposedly a plug and play starter at OT, particularly on the right side, and he can toil there for 3-4 years before replacing Solder on the left side, (if Solder holds up that long.) Williams played the RT position for a year before bouncing over to LT, right?
And Williams is from Folsom, CA, where I am currently abiding, for short while. I suppose draft day here in Folsom will get pretty hoppy if their local boy goes # 6 overall.
Early on during the championship game, the 'Bama OL was sticking it to that vaunted Clemson DL, and Bama was running the ball down their throats.
And recently I'm reading this comparison, that Williams' NFL comp is Joe Thomas. Seriously Joe Thomas? I'd sign on for that in a nanosecond.
In a short amount of time gettleman has turned over this roster and is starting to build it up to what he envisions. If we can add 2 players through the draft on defense to be impact players (similar to Hernandez) then we will have something to work with.
I don't think the cardinals will draft Murray and Rosen will not be available for a trade. I Don't think the giants would be interested in Rosen if he was available anyway.
We will see how it all plays out soon enough
yes -- this is true -- the list above does not equate to an adequate starting defense
This looks to be a deep defensive draft and having 6 or so picks in the top 100 could make things right in a hurry.
The alternative is our bunch of late round picks, a thick rug and rosary beads.
You living in a small room with a good view and 3 square meals a day? Not much in Folsom
There is a reason that this is a minority view....
1.) you are robbing Peter to pat Paul
2.) you are not getting 3 top 100 picks for Odell
After 2015, we were basically in this same boat with the defense. We were desperate for help.
The big spending did turn into a top 5 unit and an 11 win team, but it didn't last - because units built through FA typically won't when they aren't supplemented with the right young talent.
We need to infuse as many good football players as we can.
If that means making a strength stronger - do it. We need to improve the defense, I think that's a "no, duh.." but I wouldn't add value to defensive players simply because they're defenders.
You think a WR2 is more pressing than an upgrade at Center? I’m thinking # 37, in particular, is right in the sweet spot for a plug and play OC in this draft. I would then use the rest to add depth all over the roster. It all can’t be fixed in 2 offseasons. We could get by with the WR’s we have now for one more year.
I've always wondered why people assign draft slot numbers to certain positions.
I've always wondered why people assign draft slot numbers to certain positions.
Bradbury might be there. McCoy and Jenkins will be there as will (perhaps) Risner, who offers OL versatility.
Any names you can throw out there?
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a lot of investment in the defense and hopefully a WR with #2 potential.
You think a WR2 is more pressing than an upgrade at Center? I’m thinking # 37, in particular, is right in the sweet spot for a plug and play OC in this draft. I would then use the rest to add depth all over the roster. It all can’t be fixed in 2 offseasons. We could get by with the WR’s we have now for one more year.
The draft isn't for pressing needs, that's UFA.
If we're utilizing the draft correctly, you get the cheap prospect at a more important position in terms of roster building (WR > C) ...
Rick, nothing new on that front, Smith and/or Golden.
DE - BJ Hill and RJ McIntosh and two UFAs
ILB - Ogletree and Goodson and a few UFAs
OLB - Kareem Martin, L. Carter, A Moss and some UFAs
CB - Jenkins, Haley, Beal and some UFAs
S - Peppers and a few UFAs including Thomas
FE - Bethea and a few UFAs including Chandler and a waiver PU