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NYG have "significant interest" in ER Preston Smith

Anakim : 3/11/2019 11:53 am
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Per league source, the #Giants have significant interest in Preston Smith. There are likely 6-7 teams in the mix. #NFL
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To each their own  
figgy2989 : 3/11/2019 12:03 pm : link
Just not a big fan of threads only being copy and pastes of twitter messages.

Giants related news should be pulled out, like this  
ZogZerg : 3/11/2019 12:04 pm : link
Thanks Anakim!
RE: My understanding is that this is one of the strengths  
Pan-handler : 3/11/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14324064 Big Blue '56 said:
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of this draft?


Likely we want a balance of Veteran presence especially in the pass rush department.

Learning curve at ER in the draft especially when you get picks 2nd round or later there. See Zo Carter as a recent example.
he's the classic guy who gets overpaid  
GiantsFan84 : 3/11/2019 12:04 pm : link
i really wish they would just go with carter and pick 6 and use martin for spelling them and on run downs
Two  
Jon in NYC : 3/11/2019 12:06 pm : link
years ago he had the highest pressure rate in the entire league.
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Sy liked him  
Thegratefulhead : 3/11/2019 12:08 pm : link
In one of his what I would have done or sleeper picks for NYG he had a nice write up on Preston. I never forgot it and and have followed Smith career. He does a lot well, if he had lasted until the 3rd I believe we would have taken him over Odi.
Going to cost a lot i'm sure.  
rasbutant : 3/11/2019 12:10 pm : link
But he is a good player. Wins with his hands, sets the edge, isn't a one trick pony. I remember watching him beat up on the cowboys last year...so that's always a plus.
RE: Going to cost a lot i'm sure.  
Pan-handler : 3/11/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14324118 rasbutant said:
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But he is a good player. Wins with his hands, sets the edge, isn't a one trick pony. I remember watching him beat up on the cowboys last year...so that's always a plus.


Chandler had an uptick of sacks under Bettcher, hopefully that'll be why he is being targeted. Maybe they see him as a guy who in the right scenario/utilization could be a double digit sack guy.
Didn't we just do this with Vernon?  
Go Terps : 3/11/2019 12:18 pm : link
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RE: Didn't we just do this with Vernon?  
Jon in NYC : 3/11/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14324145 Go Terps said:
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Vernon, despite being a massive bust, got us a top 3 RG in the game.
RE: RE: Didn't we just do this with Vernon?  
Go Terps : 3/11/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14324153 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 14324145 Go Terps said:


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Vernon, despite being a massive bust, got us a top 3 RG in the game.


That didn't make him close to worth it.

Of course we'd have to see the cost for Preston Smith, but it feels like Gettleman is repeating Reese's errors.
RE: Didn't we just do this with Vernon?  
ZogZerg : 3/11/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14324145 Go Terps said:
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
RE: Good  
bradshaw44 : 3/11/2019 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14324065 Joey in VA said:
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He's a good edge defender with a little pass rush.


This sums him up well. If folks are expecting a pass rusher they will be disappointed.
Smith has an insane  
Tuckrule : 3/11/2019 12:24 pm : link
Amount of qb hits per season.
RE: RE: RE: Didn't we just do this with Vernon?  
Jon in NYC : 3/11/2019 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14324160 Go Terps said:
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Vernon, despite being a massive bust, got us a top 3 RG in the game.



That didn't make him close to worth it.

Of course we'd have to see the cost for Preston Smith, but it feels like Gettleman is repeating Reese's errors.


The idea of getting an edge rusher who has low sack totals but gets pressures is the same. But I'm wary of blanketing all players under the same general umbrella. Vernon wasn't successful for a number of reasons, including injury, regime change, etc.
Teams always overpay in FA. It's the nature of a competitive  
yatqb : 3/11/2019 12:24 pm : link
marketplace. I'm not thrilled with overpaying either, but our defense was so godawful last year that we need to make some moves in FA or look forward to another 5-6 win season.
RE: Teams always overpay in FA. It's the nature of a competitive  
Go Terps : 3/11/2019 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14324170 yatqb said:
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marketplace. I'm not thrilled with overpaying either, but our defense was so godawful last year that we need to make some moves in FA or look forward to another 5-6 win season.


The 5-6 win season is coming whether we sign Preston Smith or not.
I don't know  
Now Mike in MD : 3/11/2019 12:31 pm : link
He flashed in 2017 but 4 sacks last year and in a contract year and with I think all but one of those sacks coming in one game. I don't see it. Not to be constantly referencing Chris Cooley, but in his game reports he was constantly grading Smith a C or worse.
Spotrac projected him to get $11 million per  
jeff57 : 3/11/2019 12:31 pm : link
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Preston Smith is overrated No thank you  
bumpsinthenight : 3/11/2019 1:54 pm : link
I live in the DC area and they can't wait to let this guy go because he is as frustrating to watch as we were with OV.

If you think watching Vernon go by in the background as the QB steps up to make his throw is frustrating; wait until you see Smith do the same thing on way less consistent basis.

I'm all for analytics but the pressure vs actual sacks is night and day.

Good QBs feel the pressure and still get rid of it, bad QBs still get rid of the ball and have 50/50 chance of connecting. Being around the QB isn't the same as disrupting a play.
Some people here don’t want us to  
Dave on the UWS : 3/11/2019 1:55 pm : link
Spend on FA to fill the holes which begs the question, how would you fill them then? The draft is the WRONG place to fill holes. Drafting for need results in reaching. So how would you guys fill them then?
RE: Some people here don’t want us to  
Dnew15 : 3/11/2019 1:59 pm : link
In comment 14324384 Dave on the UWS said:
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Spend on FA to fill the holes which begs the question, how would you fill them then? The draft is the WRONG place to fill holes. Drafting for need results in reaching. So how would you guys fill them then?


"The draft is the WRONG place to fill holes" - you could get a job in the Giants front office ;) They are right there with you.
we need 2-3 pass rushers  
UConn4523 : 3/11/2019 2:00 pm : link
can't just say "draft one". We need a rotation of guys, no single player is fixing this defense.
He's not really an ER  
JonC : 3/11/2019 2:04 pm : link
he's a 3-4 DE who sets the edge well, and can rush the passer a little.
Go draft er  
micky : 3/11/2019 2:05 pm : link
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RE: He's not really an ER  
section125 : 3/11/2019 2:05 pm : link
In comment 14324400 JonC said:
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he's a 3-4 DE who sets the edge well, and can rush the passer a little.


Sounds like.....Olivier Vernon.
RE: He's not really an ER  
jeff57 : 3/11/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14324400 JonC said:
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he's a 3-4 DE who sets the edge well, and can rush the passer a little.


He played stand up last year
RE: RE: He's not really an ER  
JonC : 3/11/2019 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14324405 jeff57 said:
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he's a 3-4 DE who sets the edge well, and can rush the passer a little.



He played stand up last year


Was he playing DE or OLB? Was he on the edge? Were they running a 3-4 or a 4-3?
I'd be interested in a snap breakdown  
JonC : 3/11/2019 2:12 pm : link
because he was playing 3-4 DE most of the time I watched him.
RE: RE: RE: He's not really an ER  
jeff57 : 3/11/2019 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14324413 JonC said:
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he's a 3-4 DE who sets the edge well, and can rush the passer a little.



He played stand up last year



Was he playing DE or OLB? Was he on the edge? Were they running a 3-4 or a 4-3?


They've been running a 3-4 for years. Had Iannodis and the two Alabama guys up front. Kerrigan and Smtih at 3-4 OLB
Basically  
Jon in NYC : 3/11/2019 2:14 pm : link
all of his clips here have him as a 4-3 DE. Definitely looks athletic enough to play 3-4 OLB
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I think you saw some of snaps  
JonC : 3/11/2019 2:14 pm : link
but not all.
Yep, a lot of 4-3 DE in that video set  
JonC : 3/11/2019 2:24 pm : link
Unfortunately, it shows you he can play downhill but out in space you'd need more video so you could see his COD, hip turn, ability to play multiple coverages, etc.

Bottom line, he's got four career sacks and I haven't seen a pressures stat that says much more.
RE: Yep, a lot of 4-3 DE in that video set  
Rjanyg : 3/11/2019 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14324446 JonC said:
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Unfortunately, it shows you he can play downhill but out in space you'd need more video so you could see his COD, hip turn, ability to play multiple coverages, etc.

Bottom line, he's got four career sacks and I haven't seen a pressures stat that says much more.


I think he has 24.5 career sacks. 4 last year.
He  
mittenedman : 3/11/2019 3:14 pm : link
was a 34 SAM OLB for the Redskins.
RE: RE: Yep, a lot of 4-3 DE in that video set  
JonC : 3/11/2019 3:17 pm : link
In comment 14324543 Rjanyg said:
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In comment 14324446 JonC said:


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Unfortunately, it shows you he can play downhill but out in space you'd need more video so you could see his COD, hip turn, ability to play multiple coverages, etc.

Bottom line, he's got four career sacks and I haven't seen a pressures stat that says much more.



I think he has 24.5 career sacks. 4 last year.


You're right, I misread in a hurry.
RE: Basically  
Rjanyg : 3/11/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14324419 Jon in NYC said:
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all of his clips here have him as a 4-3 DE. Definitely looks athletic enough to play 3-4 OLB Link - ( New Window )


He sets a good edge, has good hand work and his feet never stop. Good size and long arms. 24.5 sacks in 4 years is decent production and it looks like he gets lots of pressure. Solid in the run game.
RE: RE: Teams always overpay in FA. It's the nature of a competitive  
djm : 3/11/2019 5:07 pm : link
In comment 14324176 Go Terps said:
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marketplace. I'm not thrilled with overpaying either, but our defense was so godawful last year that we need to make some moves in FA or look forward to another 5-6 win season.



The 5-6 win season is coming whether we sign Preston Smith or not.


That’s the spirit. So we’re going to be no better than last year based on......what ?

Jonc  
jayg5 : 3/11/2019 6:48 pm : link
I understand your POV but he has 24 career sacks
Not 4.
Had 2 seasons with 4
2 seasons with 8 sacks
RE: RE: Anak  
chopperhatch : 3/11/2019 8:25 pm : link
In comment 14324090 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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I know today is a big day for you to try and break news on the site and start as many threads as possible.

But couldn't this just have been included in the below thread.

I mean no disrespect, but multiple threads on the same topic are just going to clutter the board. Again, just my opinion.
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Nope, and who cares. Those threads get bogged down with non-giants news.


Plus this is better if we want to discuss the particular player. I actually think lumping all NYG discussion points into one thread makes discussing the individual players tedious.
RE: RE: Teams always overpay in FA. It's the nature of a competitive  
chopperhatch : 3/11/2019 8:27 pm : link
In comment 14324176 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14324170 yatqb said:


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marketplace. I'm not thrilled with overpaying either, but our defense was so godawful last year that we need to make some moves in FA or look forward to another 5-6 win season.



The 5-6 win season is coming whether we sign Preston Smith or not.


Unrelentingly miserable and insists on spreading it.


Why do you do this every single day? You mustve been a fucking joy to play sports with.
chopper  
Go Terps : 3/11/2019 8:29 pm : link
It beats deluding myself like you and djm.
RE: chopper  
chopperhatch : 3/11/2019 8:54 pm : link
In comment 14325321 Go Terps said:
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It beats deluding myself like you and djm.



Whos deluding themselves? You keep saying that and I dont recall ever stating that I think the Giants are going to be a winner? I also dont think being a miserable wet blanket on a daily basis to fans of a football team on a fucking fan site is better than "deluding myself" into thinking they might be okay. In fact I would say the opposite is true.

It would be one thing if people asked your opinion and you gave bad news. Truth is, you are a broken record at this point...like Night Ranger's Midnight Madness except it skips during Sister Christian. You're the kid at the Birthday party that watches his buddy open up a present and then tell him that you already got it and it sucks.

Think about what you do here and then ask if you are actually adding anything of value. Just my .02
Chopper  
Go Terps : 3/11/2019 9:19 pm : link
Above I was talking about current shit going on with the team. djm opted to whine, and you choose to back that whine up.

As far as I can tell you don't do much beyond whine about other posters when they say shit you don't like. I can't recall you saying anything relevant or interesting involving, well, anything.

Oh and your Night Ranger joke wasn't funny.
RE: Chopper  
chopperhatch : 3/11/2019 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14325386 Go Terps said:
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Above I was talking about current shit going on with the team. djm opted to whine, and you choose to back that whine up.

As far as I can tell you don't do much beyond whine about other posters when they say shit you don't like. I can't recall you saying anything relevant or interesting involving, well, anything.

Oh and your Night Ranger joke wasn't funny.


Wasn't a joke....you post like a miserable shit.

And I only bitch about you for the most part.

Good night. Until I see more Terps malaise.
Chopper  
Go Terps : 3/11/2019 9:38 pm : link
Read your posts and djms, and rethink what is actually miserable. I'm talking about a team that actually does happen to suck at the moment, you guys are fixated on me and not actually adding any discussion.

I'm not seeking you or your opinions out, because they haven't been particularly worth reading. Same with djm. You guys do seek mine out and react as negatively as you do.

So who's miserable?

RE: Chopper  
chopperhatch : 3/11/2019 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14325417 Go Terps said:
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Read your posts and djms, and rethink what is actually miserable. I'm talking about a team that actually does happen to suck at the moment, you guys are fixated on me and not actually adding any discussion.

I'm not seeking you or your opinions out, because they haven't been particularly worth reading. Same with djm. You guys do seek mine out and react as negatively as you do.

So who's miserable?


You are. And you can look at responses to my posts versus yours and see that I am a much more engaging poster than you are.

Now go roll around on a soccer pitch and then scream at the ref you whining quim.
Who’s whining  
djm : 3/11/2019 11:02 pm : link
I just think it’s questionable that you don’t think the giants can improve in 2019. Second year same system. Good 2018 draft class a year older. Showed offensive improvement second half of the year. Schedule much easier. But nope, same record. That’s an odd stance to take.

That’s not whining. That’s just me questioning an extremely negative stance. I’d also gladly bet anyone right now that the giants win more than 5 games in 2019. Just like I’d bet anyone last year they the 2018 team would win more than 3. Granted, I had them at 7-8 wins in 2018 but shit happens.

I'd actually love this signing  
Breeze_94 : 3/11/2019 11:51 pm : link
Smith is an ascending player who hasn't hit his peak yet. If the Giants can get him at around 12mil a year, they are getting a guy for 2/3 the price of Vernon. In addition, he is 2 years younger, has more length and ability to drop into coverage, and is overall a better fit in the 3-4. Him and Carter, with Martin to spell them and a potential draft pick to develop is not a bad group of Edge guys in a 3-4. Not dominant, but very solid.

If they can land a guy like Quinnen Williams (he could be the Leonard Williams of this draft and slip to #6) or Ed Oliver, that is a pretty formidable front 7.
RE: Jonc  
JonC : 3/12/2019 8:16 am : link
In comment 14325128 jayg5 said:
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I understand your POV but he has 24 career sacks
Not 4.
Had 2 seasons with 4
2 seasons with 8 sacks


Jay, the point is you need to spend very carefully, especially for four sacks per season average. Pay this guy a ballpark of $10M per season?? No thanks.
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