In one of his what I would have done or sleeper picks for NYG he had a nice write up on Preston. I never forgot it and and have followed Smith career. He does a lot well, if he had lasted until the 3rd I believe we would have taken him over Odi.
But he is a good player. Wins with his hands, sets the edge, isn't a one trick pony. I remember watching him beat up on the cowboys last year...so that's always a plus.
But he is a good player. Wins with his hands, sets the edge, isn't a one trick pony. I remember watching him beat up on the cowboys last year...so that's always a plus.
Chandler had an uptick of sacks under Bettcher, hopefully that'll be why he is being targeted. Maybe they see him as a guy who in the right scenario/utilization could be a double digit sack guy.
Vernon, despite being a massive bust, got us a top 3 RG in the game.
That didn't make him close to worth it.
Of course we'd have to see the cost for Preston Smith, but it feels like Gettleman is repeating Reese's errors.
The idea of getting an edge rusher who has low sack totals but gets pressures is the same. But I'm wary of blanketing all players under the same general umbrella. Vernon wasn't successful for a number of reasons, including injury, regime change, etc.
Teams always overpay in FA. It's the nature of a competitive Â
marketplace. I'm not thrilled with overpaying either, but our defense was so godawful last year that we need to make some moves in FA or look forward to another 5-6 win season.
RE: Teams always overpay in FA. It's the nature of a competitive Â
marketplace. I'm not thrilled with overpaying either, but our defense was so godawful last year that we need to make some moves in FA or look forward to another 5-6 win season.
The 5-6 win season is coming whether we sign Preston Smith or not.
He flashed in 2017 but 4 sacks last year and in a contract year and with I think all but one of those sacks coming in one game. I don't see it. Not to be constantly referencing Chris Cooley, but in his game reports he was constantly grading Smith a C or worse.
I live in the DC area and they can't wait to let this guy go because he is as frustrating to watch as we were with OV.
If you think watching Vernon go by in the background as the QB steps up to make his throw is frustrating; wait until you see Smith do the same thing on way less consistent basis.
I'm all for analytics but the pressure vs actual sacks is night and day.
Good QBs feel the pressure and still get rid of it, bad QBs still get rid of the ball and have 50/50 chance of connecting. Being around the QB isn't the same as disrupting a play.
Spend on FA to fill the holes which begs the question, how would you fill them then? The draft is the WRONG place to fill holes. Drafting for need results in reaching. So how would you guys fill them then?
Spend on FA to fill the holes which begs the question, how would you fill them then? The draft is the WRONG place to fill holes. Drafting for need results in reaching. So how would you guys fill them then?
"The draft is the WRONG place to fill holes" - you could get a job in the Giants front office ;) They are right there with you.
Unfortunately, it shows you he can play downhill but out in space you'd need more video so you could see his COD, hip turn, ability to play multiple coverages, etc.
Bottom line, he's got four career sacks and I haven't seen a pressures stat that says much more.
Unfortunately, it shows you he can play downhill but out in space you'd need more video so you could see his COD, hip turn, ability to play multiple coverages, etc.
Bottom line, he's got four career sacks and I haven't seen a pressures stat that says much more.
Unfortunately, it shows you he can play downhill but out in space you'd need more video so you could see his COD, hip turn, ability to play multiple coverages, etc.
Bottom line, he's got four career sacks and I haven't seen a pressures stat that says much more.
all of his clips here have him as a 4-3 DE. Definitely looks athletic enough to play 3-4 OLB Link - ( New Window )
He sets a good edge, has good hand work and his feet never stop. Good size and long arms. 24.5 sacks in 4 years is decent production and it looks like he gets lots of pressure. Solid in the run game.
RE: RE: Teams always overpay in FA. It's the nature of a competitive Â
marketplace. I'm not thrilled with overpaying either, but our defense was so godawful last year that we need to make some moves in FA or look forward to another 5-6 win season.
The 5-6 win season is coming whether we sign Preston Smith or not.
That’s the spirit. So we’re going to be no better than last year based on......what ?
I know today is a big day for you to try and break news on the site and start as many threads as possible.
But couldn't this just have been included in the below thread.
I mean no disrespect, but multiple threads on the same topic are just going to clutter the board. Again, just my opinion.
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Nope, and who cares. Those threads get bogged down with non-giants news.
Plus this is better if we want to discuss the particular player. I actually think lumping all NYG discussion points into one thread makes discussing the individual players tedious.
RE: RE: Teams always overpay in FA. It's the nature of a competitive Â
marketplace. I'm not thrilled with overpaying either, but our defense was so godawful last year that we need to make some moves in FA or look forward to another 5-6 win season.
The 5-6 win season is coming whether we sign Preston Smith or not.
Unrelentingly miserable and insists on spreading it.
Why do you do this every single day? You mustve been a fucking joy to play sports with.
Whos deluding themselves? You keep saying that and I dont recall ever stating that I think the Giants are going to be a winner? I also dont think being a miserable wet blanket on a daily basis to fans of a football team on a fucking fan site is better than "deluding myself" into thinking they might be okay. In fact I would say the opposite is true.
It would be one thing if people asked your opinion and you gave bad news. Truth is, you are a broken record at this point...like Night Ranger's Midnight Madness except it skips during Sister Christian. You're the kid at the Birthday party that watches his buddy open up a present and then tell him that you already got it and it sucks.
Think about what you do here and then ask if you are actually adding anything of value. Just my .02
Above I was talking about current shit going on with the team. djm opted to whine, and you choose to back that whine up.
As far as I can tell you don't do much beyond whine about other posters when they say shit you don't like. I can't recall you saying anything relevant or interesting involving, well, anything.
Above I was talking about current shit going on with the team. djm opted to whine, and you choose to back that whine up.
As far as I can tell you don't do much beyond whine about other posters when they say shit you don't like. I can't recall you saying anything relevant or interesting involving, well, anything.
Read your posts and djms, and rethink what is actually miserable. I'm talking about a team that actually does happen to suck at the moment, you guys are fixated on me and not actually adding any discussion.
I'm not seeking you or your opinions out, because they haven't been particularly worth reading. Same with djm. You guys do seek mine out and react as negatively as you do.
Read your posts and djms, and rethink what is actually miserable. I'm talking about a team that actually does happen to suck at the moment, you guys are fixated on me and not actually adding any discussion.
I'm not seeking you or your opinions out, because they haven't been particularly worth reading. Same with djm. You guys do seek mine out and react as negatively as you do.
So who's miserable?
You are. And you can look at responses to my posts versus yours and see that I am a much more engaging poster than you are.
Now go roll around on a soccer pitch and then scream at the ref you whining quim.
I just think it’s questionable that you don’t think the giants can improve in 2019. Second year same system. Good 2018 draft class a year older. Showed offensive improvement second half of the year. Schedule much easier. But nope, same record. That’s an odd stance to take.
That’s not whining. That’s just me questioning an extremely negative stance. I’d also gladly bet anyone right now that the giants win more than 5 games in 2019. Just like I’d bet anyone last year they the 2018 team would win more than 3. Granted, I had them at 7-8 wins in 2018 but shit happens.
Smith is an ascending player who hasn't hit his peak yet. If the Giants can get him at around 12mil a year, they are getting a guy for 2/3 the price of Vernon. In addition, he is 2 years younger, has more length and ability to drop into coverage, and is overall a better fit in the 3-4. Him and Carter, with Martin to spell them and a potential draft pick to develop is not a bad group of Edge guys in a 3-4. Not dominant, but very solid.
If they can land a guy like Quinnen Williams (he could be the Leonard Williams of this draft and slip to #6) or Ed Oliver, that is a pretty formidable front 7.
I understand your POV but he has 24 career sacks
Not 4.
Had 2 seasons with 4
2 seasons with 8 sacks
Jay, the point is you need to spend very carefully, especially for four sacks per season average. Pay this guy a ballpark of $10M per season?? No thanks.
Likely we want a balance of Veteran presence especially in the pass rush department.
Learning curve at ER in the draft especially when you get picks 2nd round or later there. See Zo Carter as a recent example.
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Chandler had an uptick of sacks under Bettcher, hopefully that'll be why he is being targeted. Maybe they see him as a guy who in the right scenario/utilization could be a double digit sack guy.
Vernon, despite being a massive bust, got us a top 3 RG in the game.
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Vernon, despite being a massive bust, got us a top 3 RG in the game.
That didn't make him close to worth it.
Of course we'd have to see the cost for Preston Smith, but it feels like Gettleman is repeating Reese's errors.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
This sums him up well. If folks are expecting a pass rusher they will be disappointed.
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Vernon, despite being a massive bust, got us a top 3 RG in the game.
That didn't make him close to worth it.
Of course we'd have to see the cost for Preston Smith, but it feels like Gettleman is repeating Reese's errors.
The idea of getting an edge rusher who has low sack totals but gets pressures is the same. But I'm wary of blanketing all players under the same general umbrella. Vernon wasn't successful for a number of reasons, including injury, regime change, etc.
The 5-6 win season is coming whether we sign Preston Smith or not.
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If you think watching Vernon go by in the background as the QB steps up to make his throw is frustrating; wait until you see Smith do the same thing on way less consistent basis.
I'm all for analytics but the pressure vs actual sacks is night and day.
Good QBs feel the pressure and still get rid of it, bad QBs still get rid of the ball and have 50/50 chance of connecting. Being around the QB isn't the same as disrupting a play.
"The draft is the WRONG place to fill holes" - you could get a job in the Giants front office ;) They are right there with you.
Sounds like.....Olivier Vernon.
He played stand up last year
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he's a 3-4 DE who sets the edge well, and can rush the passer a little.
He played stand up last year
Was he playing DE or OLB? Was he on the edge? Were they running a 3-4 or a 4-3?
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he's a 3-4 DE who sets the edge well, and can rush the passer a little.
He played stand up last year
Was he playing DE or OLB? Was he on the edge? Were they running a 3-4 or a 4-3?
They've been running a 3-4 for years. Had Iannodis and the two Alabama guys up front. Kerrigan and Smtih at 3-4 OLB
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Bottom line, he's got four career sacks and I haven't seen a pressures stat that says much more.
Bottom line, he's got four career sacks and I haven't seen a pressures stat that says much more.
I think he has 24.5 career sacks. 4 last year.
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Unfortunately, it shows you he can play downhill but out in space you'd need more video so you could see his COD, hip turn, ability to play multiple coverages, etc.
Bottom line, he's got four career sacks and I haven't seen a pressures stat that says much more.
I think he has 24.5 career sacks. 4 last year.
You're right, I misread in a hurry.
He sets a good edge, has good hand work and his feet never stop. Good size and long arms. 24.5 sacks in 4 years is decent production and it looks like he gets lots of pressure. Solid in the run game.
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marketplace. I'm not thrilled with overpaying either, but our defense was so godawful last year that we need to make some moves in FA or look forward to another 5-6 win season.
The 5-6 win season is coming whether we sign Preston Smith or not.
That’s the spirit. So we’re going to be no better than last year based on......what ?
Not 4.
Had 2 seasons with 4
2 seasons with 8 sacks
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I know today is a big day for you to try and break news on the site and start as many threads as possible.
But couldn't this just have been included in the below thread.
I mean no disrespect, but multiple threads on the same topic are just going to clutter the board. Again, just my opinion.
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Nope, and who cares. Those threads get bogged down with non-giants news.
Plus this is better if we want to discuss the particular player. I actually think lumping all NYG discussion points into one thread makes discussing the individual players tedious.
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marketplace. I'm not thrilled with overpaying either, but our defense was so godawful last year that we need to make some moves in FA or look forward to another 5-6 win season.
The 5-6 win season is coming whether we sign Preston Smith or not.
Unrelentingly miserable and insists on spreading it.
Why do you do this every single day? You mustve been a fucking joy to play sports with.
Whos deluding themselves? You keep saying that and I dont recall ever stating that I think the Giants are going to be a winner? I also dont think being a miserable wet blanket on a daily basis to fans of a football team on a fucking fan site is better than "deluding myself" into thinking they might be okay. In fact I would say the opposite is true.
It would be one thing if people asked your opinion and you gave bad news. Truth is, you are a broken record at this point...like Night Ranger's Midnight Madness except it skips during Sister Christian. You're the kid at the Birthday party that watches his buddy open up a present and then tell him that you already got it and it sucks.
Think about what you do here and then ask if you are actually adding anything of value. Just my .02
As far as I can tell you don't do much beyond whine about other posters when they say shit you don't like. I can't recall you saying anything relevant or interesting involving, well, anything.
Oh and your Night Ranger joke wasn't funny.
As far as I can tell you don't do much beyond whine about other posters when they say shit you don't like. I can't recall you saying anything relevant or interesting involving, well, anything.
Oh and your Night Ranger joke wasn't funny.
Wasn't a joke....you post like a miserable shit.
And I only bitch about you for the most part.
Good night. Until I see more Terps malaise.
I'm not seeking you or your opinions out, because they haven't been particularly worth reading. Same with djm. You guys do seek mine out and react as negatively as you do.
So who's miserable?
I'm not seeking you or your opinions out, because they haven't been particularly worth reading. Same with djm. You guys do seek mine out and react as negatively as you do.
So who's miserable?
You are. And you can look at responses to my posts versus yours and see that I am a much more engaging poster than you are.
Now go roll around on a soccer pitch and then scream at the ref you whining quim.
That’s not whining. That’s just me questioning an extremely negative stance. I’d also gladly bet anyone right now that the giants win more than 5 games in 2019. Just like I’d bet anyone last year they the 2018 team would win more than 3. Granted, I had them at 7-8 wins in 2018 but shit happens.
If they can land a guy like Quinnen Williams (he could be the Leonard Williams of this draft and slip to #6) or Ed Oliver, that is a pretty formidable front 7.
Not 4.
Had 2 seasons with 4
2 seasons with 8 sacks
Jay, the point is you need to spend very carefully, especially for four sacks per season average. Pay this guy a ballpark of $10M per season?? No thanks.