No one thought he wouldn't get paid, but I am pretty sure no one thought he was going to get $14M per year. Especially in a market where there is a shit ton of safeties available.
Fans tend to come up with reasons to value players lower than the rest of the league actually values a player. Yes there are a shit ton of safeties available, and many of them aren't as good at what they do as he does.
Devin McCourty is making 13.6. Tony Jefferson is making 12.6. Accounting for how salaries go up every year, 14m isn't mindbending.
Look at what the Giants paid Solder. He wasn't close to a top 5 player at his position.
Loved him off the field but on the field he had some weaknesses. Wish he didn't end up on the Skins, but it is what it is. On the field this somewhat reminds me of when they added Norman - who was a similarly very good player in the right system, but also has some very basic weaknesses that kept him from being as good as the top tier guys at his position.
Texans offered him 9.5 for a long term deal. Told him he was going to wait. Well he just made at least 3 million more per year for waiting. Thank you Dan Synder.
In the past and no need to add another one. They were forced to do it at left tackle which is a premium positions as much as it sucked. SS not so much. I hate to let talent get away. But until Eli is gone next year they need to be cap wary.
That was 7 years $35 million and was considered the highest for a safety at the time. Archuleta was so good he was benched after 7 games and traded to the Bears the following season. I love the Skins
in hindsight, what happened. This is how it really works. agents....far in advance.....know what their clients are worth on the open market...thats how negotiations begin
the agent had this deal lined up with the skins....collins took it to gettleman....gettleman laughed at him.....collins angrily clears out locker and tweets goodbye to giants fans
Happy they didn't sign him for that but definitely missed an opportunity to trade him. 3d or 4th, whatever best offer was should have been accepted if you weren't prepared to negotiate with him. What he ultimately got was a little surprising but not what he would demand. Of course he would seek top of market.
but honestly, I see this working out very similar to Carl Banks, Leonard Marshall, Jesse Armstead, and Cornelius Griffin leaving the Giants for the Redskins and not doing much when they got on their defense. Huge overpay for a name.
but honestly, I see this working out very similar to Carl Banks, Leonard Marshall, Jesse Armstead, and Cornelius Griffin leaving the Giants for the Redskins and not doing much when they got on their defense. Huge overpay for a name.
Have to agree. BBI would be freaking out if we signed Collins (whether resigned him or signed him from another team) based on the production and that salary.. Crazy money for a somewhat limited S.
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I thought he might APPROACH the franchise tag amount but this??? If DG ever signed him to this contract I think we would all go to Metlife and picket his office.
in hindsight, what happened. This is how it really works. agents....far in advance.....know what their clients are worth on the open market...thats how negotiations begin
the agent had this deal lined up with the skins....collins took it to gettleman....gettleman laughed at him.....collins angrily clears out locker and tweets goodbye to giants fans
hindsight always 20/20
Jerry Reach
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That was 7 years $35 million and was considered the highest for a safety at the time. Archuleta was so good he was benched after 7 games and traded to the Bears the following season. I love the Skins
is great for Collins, but I agree those numbers are ridiculous. We should have traded him at the deadline, but I'm glad we didn't compound that mistake by signing him to that kind o contract.
are numbers I would NEVER give to collins. Most overrated Giant in a long time...
No, he was not, and hardly ever, the most overrated Giant in a long time, just wrong.
He had a legit All Pro season in 2016, and he was appropriately rated. His play fell off, and he incurred injuries the next two years. His significant limitations in coverage became more apparent, especially with the Giants lacking a legit FS to play alongside LC. By and large the assessment of LC leveled off here. There were a vocal few who didn't see that. But the hyperbole in this post is over the top. I don't disagree that the Skins overpaid, by a lot.
where people can't agree on the color of the sky, everyone recognizes that Landon was simply too much of a negative in pass defense to re-sign to an exorbitant contract. Congrats to him, but I'm not particularly discouraged about him moving on.
to see if Josina continues her shit-stirring coverage in Washington.
For real. There's no doubt in my mind Collins was her "go to" guy in the locker room up here.
Which could be part of the reason why DG wanted to let him go.
Absolutely. He was admonished my Ben and Shurmur twice with his public "leadership". As fans, it might have served as our pound of flesh that we demanded for watching terrible football for years. But the vocal nature of Collins was not appreciated in house. DG has been charged with changing the culture.
I liked Collins and don't like to root against him .
So we have another big hole in the defense to fill .
Do we ever get any decent comp picks ?
Oh well Good Luck Landon !
that were saying him and his position have no value and he would sign for something like 1/7.
This is what players thet have all-pro seasons where they finish second in DPOY go for on the open market when they are 25. I don’t think this is the Skins blowing away the other offers either, think other teams were willing to give him close to that.
It’s a risk and I wouldn’t pay it but he certainly had value that some were in denial about.
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No wonder why Giants and Redskins keep battling each other for last place in the NFC East.
Collins is a good player, but that is a ridiculous contract for someone who has not lived up to his 2016 season and who finished the last two years on IR.
Giants may get a comp pick out of this if they don't sign more free agents than they lose. But again - and yes, to beat a dead horse - the Giants knew this was coming and they should have traded him in October to the Bucs for a high 3rd rounder.
No wonder why Giants and Redskins keep battling each other for last place in the NFC East.
Collins is a good player, but that is a ridiculous contract for someone who has not lived up to his 2016 season and who finished the last two years on IR.
Giants may get a comp pick out of this if they don't sign more free agents than they lose. But again - and yes, to beat a dead horse - the Giants knew this was coming and they should have traded him in October to the Bucs for a high 3rd rounder.
maybe they thought they could resign him and didnt deal him to then later realize his asking was just to high.
Perhaps, but why think that? Landon has always had an inflated view of himself. Everyone knows that. Again, there were a number of BBI'ers who saw this coming last October. It was no surprise.
I thought he'd get paid. Just not this amount for a SS who can't cover me.
Killing the redskins for being dumb
Washington being dumb is par for the course
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No one thought he wouldn't get paid, but I am pretty sure no one thought he was going to get $14M per year. Especially in a market where there is a shit ton of safeties available.
Fans tend to come up with reasons to value players lower than the rest of the league actually values a player. Yes there are a shit ton of safeties available, and many of them aren't as good at what they do as he does.
Devin McCourty is making 13.6. Tony Jefferson is making 12.6. Accounting for how salaries go up every year, 14m isn't mindbending.
Look at what the Giants paid Solder. He wasn't close to a top 5 player at his position.
Can verbally agree today can put pen to paper on Thurs
Glad it wasn't the Giants giving out that contract.
the agent had this deal lined up with the skins....collins took it to gettleman....gettleman laughed at him.....collins angrily clears out locker and tweets goodbye to giants fans
hindsight always 20/20
Best of luck to LC and congrats on getting paid.
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Have to agree. BBI would be freaking out if we signed Collins (whether resigned him or signed him from another team) based on the production and that salary.. Crazy money for a somewhat limited S.
Remember, he's a hitter, and he's coming off shoulder surgery.
This is how you kill your cap.
Alex Smith says, "Hold My Beer".
the agent had this deal lined up with the skins....collins took it to gettleman....gettleman laughed at him.....collins angrily clears out locker and tweets goodbye to giants fans
hindsight always 20/20
Jerry Reach
30 year old player vs a 25 year old player.
For real. There's no doubt in my mind Collins was her "go to" guy in the locker room up here.
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to see if Josina continues her shit-stirring coverage in Washington.
For real. There's no doubt in my mind Collins was her "go to" guy in the locker room up here.
Which could be part of the reason why DG wanted to let him go.
He had a legit All Pro season in 2016, and he was appropriately rated. His play fell off, and he incurred injuries the next two years. His significant limitations in coverage became more apparent, especially with the Giants lacking a legit FS to play alongside LC. By and large the assessment of LC leveled off here. There were a vocal few who didn't see that. But the hyperbole in this post is over the top. I don't disagree that the Skins overpaid, by a lot.
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to see if Josina continues her shit-stirring coverage in Washington.
For real. There's no doubt in my mind Collins was her "go to" guy in the locker room up here.
Which could be part of the reason why DG wanted to let him go.
Absolutely. He was admonished my Ben and Shurmur twice with his public "leadership". As fans, it might have served as our pound of flesh that we demanded for watching terrible football for years. But the vocal nature of Collins was not appreciated in house. DG has been charged with changing the culture.
So we have another big hole in the defense to fill .
Do we ever get any decent comp picks ?
Oh well Good Luck Landon !
This is what players thet have all-pro seasons where they finish second in DPOY go for on the open market when they are 25. I don’t think this is the Skins blowing away the other offers either, think other teams were willing to give him close to that.
It’s a risk and I wouldn’t pay it but he certainly had value that some were in denial about.
And oh, BTW, that is ridiculous money. Good for Landon, I just wouldn’t want my team to pay that for him.
Collins is a good player, but that is a ridiculous contract for someone who has not lived up to his 2016 season and who finished the last two years on IR.
Giants may get a comp pick out of this if they don't sign more free agents than they lose. But again - and yes, to beat a dead horse - the Giants knew this was coming and they should have traded him in October to the Bucs for a high 3rd rounder.
Collins is a good player, but that is a ridiculous contract for someone who has not lived up to his 2016 season and who finished the last two years on IR.
Giants may get a comp pick out of this if they don't sign more free agents than they lose. But again - and yes, to beat a dead horse - the Giants knew this was coming and they should have traded him in October to the Bucs for a high 3rd rounder.
maybe they thought they could resign him and didnt deal him to then later realize his asking was just to high.