Perhaps, but why think that? Landon has always had an inflated view of himself. Everyone knows that. Again, there were a number of BBI'ers who saw this coming last October. It was no surprise.
based on this contract, it wasn't inflated
Letting Collins walk without trading him for a pick Â
could be one of Gettleman's bigger blunders in the end if the Giants don't get a comp pick out of it next year. If they do get a comp pick, it probably means they aren't signing enough good players and they always get screwed with comp picks anyway. Seems like a lose/lose situation if that's their reason for not trading him.
Perhaps, but why think that? Landon has always had an inflated view of himself. Everyone knows that. Again, there were a number of BBI'ers who saw this coming last October. It was no surprise.
because maybe they felt they could get it done for less. maybe they would have paid him this much but something happened internally that made DG and co change their mind. maybe early in the year everything was fine but later on, collins did something that pissed them off. we dont know the internal stuff. it isnt always as simple as well we didnt sign him, we should have traded him. its common sense to do that if you KNOW you arewnt resigning him.
im gonna go with DG intended to sign him long term but something happened, whether it be an issue or just his asking became to much. something clearly changed for the giants and collins
There is a difference between what some teams will spend and how a player plays on the field. Collins thinks he has played like an All-Pro safety the last three years. He hasn't.
There is a difference between what some teams will spend and how a player plays on the field. Collins thinks he has played like an All-Pro safety the last three years. He hasn't.
How could he not? You should hear what the idiots on ESPN are saying about him. "Can't put a price on leadership..."
Actually, you can if "leadership" can't cover a TE or RB out of the backfield.
to see if Josina continues her shit-stirring coverage in Washington.
For real. There's no doubt in my mind Collins was her "go to" guy in the locker room up here.
Which could be part of the reason why DG wanted to let him go.
Absolutely. He was admonished my Ben and Shurmur twice with his public "leadership". As fans, it might have served as our pound of flesh that we demanded for watching terrible football for years. But the vocal nature of Collins was not appreciated in house. DG has been charged with changing the culture.
I can only imagine what will happen with both Collins and Norman feeding the Washington Post.
No wonder why Giants and Redskins keep battling each other for last place in the NFC East.
Collins is a good player, but that is a ridiculous contract for someone who has not lived up to his 2016 season and who finished the last two years on IR.
Giants may get a comp pick out of this if they don't sign more free agents than they lose. But again - and yes, to beat a dead horse - the Giants knew this was coming and they should have traded him in October to the Bucs for a high 3rd rounder.
maybe they thought they could resign him and didnt deal him to then later realize his asking was just to high.
Getting the 3rd from KC seems the obvious choice 6 months later, but can you imagine the hue and cry if he was traded at the time for a 3rd? Some were ok with it, most were not.
I liked LC very much, but not at $14 mill per. Guys best position may very well be as OLB...
Can you see LC trying to cover Saquon on a wheel route next fall?
There is a difference between what some teams will spend and how a player plays on the field. Collins thinks he has played like an All-Pro safety the last three years. He hasn't.
How could he not? You should hear what the idiots on ESPN are saying about him. "Can't put a price on leadership..."
Actually, you can if "leadership" can't cover a TE or RB out of the backfield.
Leadership that throws other players under the bus to the press ass well
Getting the 3rd from KC seems the obvious choice 6 months later, but can you imagine the hue and cry if he was traded at the time for a 3rd? Some were ok with it, most were not.
I liked LC very much, but not at $14 mill per. Guys best position may very well be as OLB...
Can you see LC trying to cover Saquon on a wheel route next fall?
I keep seeing KC, but there were articles on the Bucs offering a 3rd. If Gettleman wasn't going to pay Collins, he obviously should have taken the 3rd rounder. Who cares what the fans say? His job is to do what is best for the team.
At the time, I was pretty vocal about dumping as many players at the time for picks as possible.
No wonder why Giants and Redskins keep battling each other for last place in the NFC East.
Collins is a good player, but that is a ridiculous contract for someone who has not lived up to his 2016 season and who finished the last two years on IR.
Giants may get a comp pick out of this if they don't sign more free agents than they lose. But again - and yes, to beat a dead horse - the Giants knew this was coming and they should have traded him in October to the Bucs for a high 3rd rounder.
Maybe the should have traded him in October, but I think this is being over blown. If they thought there was a chance the could keep him I can see why they let it play out. Also, they need to keep the stands from being empty and Collins is a popular player.
Let's put it this way, if Gettleman and Shurmur fail it won't be because of how they handled Landon Collins.
I'm always happy to see NFL players who go about their business Â
crazy to think the giants didn't want to resign him, tag/resign when they declined those 3rd/4th picks whatever they may have been before watching him get injured again...
can't blame the giants for the cards not falling the way they would have liked them.
this is basically the contract we gave Vernon in 2016 lol. way too much for a safety unless they want to move him to some hybrid linebacker...
Getting the 3rd from KC seems the obvious choice 6 months later, but can you imagine the hue and cry if he was traded at the time for a 3rd? Some were ok with it, most were not.
I liked LC very much, but not at $14 mill per. Guys best position may very well be as OLB...
Can you see LC trying to cover Saquon on a wheel route next fall?
I keep seeing KC, but there were articles on the Bucs offering a 3rd. If Gettleman wasn't going to pay Collins, he obviously should have taken the 3rd rounder. Who cares what the fans say? His job is to do what is best for the team.
At the time, I was pretty vocal about dumping as many players at the time for picks as possible.
I don't remember the Bucs, but that does not mean much. KC is who was reported, maybe the Bucs did too - and of course that would have been a much better trade.
Sure he's a decent safety, but the Skins fanbase wanted LC from the time he was drafted and they look at him as Sean Taylor light. They have a weird fixation on LC. And he also fits their Alabama defensive plan they seem to be following.
First and foremost he is already a fan favorite and they are desperate to put butts in the seats. This will do that and sell Jersey's. Mark my words, he will be on of the top 3 highest selling Redskins jerseys this season.
I see the money's high, but this makes me even more pissed they didn't trade him as there was obviously a market. In any case sad to see him go and to the putrid Redskins.
Obviously a team in our division which played against Collins twice a season for the past 4 years thought he was worth the dough and they didn't waste any time about it. Maybe we should wait and see before doing all the crowing.
Obviously a team in our division which played against Collins twice a season for the past 4 years thought he was worth the dough and they didn't waste any time about it. Maybe we should wait and see before doing all the crowing.
yea no....its ot sour grapes. if you watch the bears game from last year...collins couldnt cover anyone. he has ALWAYS struggled in coverage. go look ANYWHERE about the deal. everyone is saying its an overpay for a one dimensional safety. this isnt giant fans just salty and saying he sucks anyways
but this was his biggest mistake imo. I forgive the mess that was the oline because no one was available, but with LC we had a 3rd round pick. If you turn that down, it's because you are going to sign him long term.
Anyhow, I hate that he is a skin, but i'm glad they backed the truck for him. I think he can still be very good, but he is not worth that contract
Obviously a team in our division which played against Collins twice a season for the past 4 years thought he was worth the dough and they didn't waste any time about it. Maybe we should wait and see before doing all the crowing.
Or at least wait to see what we do with the money we didn't pay Collins. If we use it to replace him and get another decent player than great! But if not then we're just praising the Giants for letting a guy leave...which in of itself doesn't make the team better.
Here you go... Buccaneers Offered Third-Rounder For Landon Collins In 2018 - ( New Window )
Didn't the Bucs deny this? Dunleavy wrote just 5 days ago that the best offer for LC was a 4th rounder link - ( New Window )
My guess is that DG wanted to increase the price for Collins and floated rumors about the trade offer. I think his plan was always to get rid of Collins after the season. He misplayed his hand on trying to get higher offers for Collins.
Good for Landon, but I'm very happy we aren't the team paying him. We can get what he was giving us for less than that - we can probably even do better at a lower cost.
the question as to why they didn't attempt to tag and then trade him?
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General manager Dave Gettleman could have franchised him for the 2019 season at $11.2 million, and even if the team didn't think Collins was a long-term building block for the defense, the Giants could have used the tag to explore the trade market for their starting safety. Given that he will average more than the tag number on a long-term deal, it's pretty clear he would have had some semblance of a market.
skins overpaid, but that doesn't take away that collins is a great LOS SS. The Giants and Barkley certainly wouldn't welcome that, nor the rest of the league. but we know the way to beat collins is through the air.
i'm glad for collins that he gets his payday and with his favorite team. i always liked him. i cheered like crazy when reese traded up to get him.
the question as to why they didn't attempt to tag and then trade him?
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General manager Dave Gettleman could have franchised him for the 2019 season at $11.2 million, and even if the team didn't think Collins was a long-term building block for the defense, the Giants could have used the tag to explore the trade market for their starting safety. Given that he will average more than the tag number on a long-term deal, it's pretty clear he would have had some semblance of a market.
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What if they just get a 3rd rounder back as compensation now and the only offer we had on the table in-season was a 4?
the market is the market. Obviously, the market values safeties more than BBi does.
Major screw up by Gettlemen. With the way FA is going, if he could have signed LC for $10 mill a year, it would have been a good contract, and if he wasn't going to do that, then Eric is right, you assure yourself of a 3rd round pick. We may get nothing out of this, and I don't know how you go about building a team when you are always taking one step forward and a step back.
the market is the market. Obviously, the market values safeties more than BBi does.
Major screw up by Gettlemen. With the way FA is going, if he could have signed LC for $10 mill a year, it would have been a good contract, and if he wasn't going to do that, then Eric is right, you assure yourself of a 3rd round pick. We may get nothing out of this, and I don't know how you go about building a team when you are always taking one step forward and a step back.
Market price doesn't mean it's wise to spend it.
And it does matter, there's a salary cap in this league and fans are going to be keyed on how their team is spending those cap dollars.
It matters for obvious reasons - it's finite space.
Again - the 3rd round pick wasn't even offered. It sounds like the best we got was a 4.
We do get something out of this. Cap space to pursue someone better or someone cheaper, and we may get a comp pick that is better than what could have been recouped in the trade market.
If we do, then all of a sudden what we did makes perfect sense and everyone who has been fucking losing their mind over Gettleman not trading him can... stop. Or relax.
and it was a 4th at best seems like nothing more than Giants damage control.
There were reports of a 3rd at the time of the deadline, no reports of a 4th. Before the final decision reports of 3rds still. It was only after we announced he wouldn’t be back and the front office got planned that their were sources reporting that it wasn’t a 3rd.
Given the sequence of facts and their release it certainly lends more to trying to make it look like less of a screw up than what actually occurred.
Perhaps, but why think that? Landon has always had an inflated view of himself. Everyone knows that. Again, there were a number of BBI'ers who saw this coming last October. It was no surprise.
$15 mm for a box safety redefines the market. Wow. I am not surprised he went to Washington but I am surprised they paid him that much.
based on this contract, it wasn't inflated
because maybe they felt they could get it done for less. maybe they would have paid him this much but something happened internally that made DG and co change their mind. maybe early in the year everything was fine but later on, collins did something that pissed them off. we dont know the internal stuff. it isnt always as simple as well we didnt sign him, we should have traded him. its common sense to do that if you KNOW you arewnt resigning him.
im gonna go with DG intended to sign him long term but something happened, whether it be an issue or just his asking became to much. something clearly changed for the giants and collins
How could he not? You should hear what the idiots on ESPN are saying about him. "Can't put a price on leadership..."
Actually, you can if "leadership" can't cover a TE or RB out of the backfield.
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to see if Josina continues her shit-stirring coverage in Washington.
For real. There's no doubt in my mind Collins was her "go to" guy in the locker room up here.
Which could be part of the reason why DG wanted to let him go.
Absolutely. He was admonished my Ben and Shurmur twice with his public "leadership". As fans, it might have served as our pound of flesh that we demanded for watching terrible football for years. But the vocal nature of Collins was not appreciated in house. DG has been charged with changing the culture.
I can only imagine what will happen with both Collins and Norman feeding the Washington Post.
DC is a Nationals/Caps town for a reason.
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No wonder why Giants and Redskins keep battling each other for last place in the NFC East.
Collins is a good player, but that is a ridiculous contract for someone who has not lived up to his 2016 season and who finished the last two years on IR.
Giants may get a comp pick out of this if they don't sign more free agents than they lose. But again - and yes, to beat a dead horse - the Giants knew this was coming and they should have traded him in October to the Bucs for a high 3rd rounder.
maybe they thought they could resign him and didnt deal him to then later realize his asking was just to high.
I don't think DG wanted any part of Collins.
I liked LC very much, but not at $14 mill per. Guys best position may very well be as OLB...
Can you see LC trying to cover Saquon on a wheel route next fall?
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There is a difference between what some teams will spend and how a player plays on the field. Collins thinks he has played like an All-Pro safety the last three years. He hasn't.
How could he not? You should hear what the idiots on ESPN are saying about him. "Can't put a price on leadership..."
Actually, you can if "leadership" can't cover a TE or RB out of the backfield.
Leadership that throws other players under the bus to the press ass well
He could to be much better with skins D, that has a very good D-line.
I liked LC very much, but not at $14 mill per. Guys best position may very well be as OLB...
Can you see LC trying to cover Saquon on a wheel route next fall?
I keep seeing KC, but there were articles on the Bucs offering a 3rd. If Gettleman wasn't going to pay Collins, he obviously should have taken the 3rd rounder. Who cares what the fans say? His job is to do what is best for the team.
At the time, I was pretty vocal about dumping as many players at the time for picks as possible.
Collins is a good player, but that is a ridiculous contract for someone who has not lived up to his 2016 season and who finished the last two years on IR.
Giants may get a comp pick out of this if they don't sign more free agents than they lose. But again - and yes, to beat a dead horse - the Giants knew this was coming and they should have traded him in October to the Bucs for a high 3rd rounder.
Maybe the should have traded him in October, but I think this is being over blown. If they thought there was a chance the could keep him I can see why they let it play out. Also, they need to keep the stands from being empty and Collins is a popular player.
Let's put it this way, if Gettleman and Shurmur fail it won't be because of how they handled Landon Collins.
...but this is new regime, new philosophy, and a General Manager who is willing to crack a lot of eggs to make his own omelet.
Which is not to say I would have paid $84 Big Ones for an in-the-box Safety who has significant problems in pass coverage.
Oh, well... will be very happy so long as the Giants Defense does not occupy the very bottom 32nd rung of the NFL in 2019.
Maybe so, but I could also see him intercepting Eli 3 times next year.
can't blame the giants for the cards not falling the way they would have liked them.
this is basically the contract we gave Vernon in 2016 lol. way too much for a safety unless they want to move him to some hybrid linebacker...
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How can teams sign guys today?
Can verbally agree today can put pen to paper on Thurs
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Getting the 3rd from KC seems the obvious choice 6 months later, but can you imagine the hue and cry if he was traded at the time for a 3rd? Some were ok with it, most were not.
I liked LC very much, but not at $14 mill per. Guys best position may very well be as OLB...
Can you see LC trying to cover Saquon on a wheel route next fall?
I keep seeing KC, but there were articles on the Bucs offering a 3rd. If Gettleman wasn't going to pay Collins, he obviously should have taken the 3rd rounder. Who cares what the fans say? His job is to do what is best for the team.
At the time, I was pretty vocal about dumping as many players at the time for picks as possible.
I don't remember the Bucs, but that does not mean much. KC is who was reported, maybe the Bucs did too - and of course that would have been a much better trade.
First and foremost he is already a fan favorite and they are desperate to put butts in the seats. This will do that and sell Jersey's. Mark my words, he will be on of the top 3 highest selling Redskins jerseys this season.
Buccaneers Offered Third-Rounder For Landon Collins In 2018 - ( New Window )
yea no....its ot sour grapes. if you watch the bears game from last year...collins couldnt cover anyone. he has ALWAYS struggled in coverage. go look ANYWHERE about the deal. everyone is saying its an overpay for a one dimensional safety. this isnt giant fans just salty and saying he sucks anyways
Anyhow, I hate that he is a skin, but i'm glad they backed the truck for him. I think he can still be very good, but he is not worth that contract
Didn't the Bucs deny this? Dunleavy wrote just 5 days ago that the best offer for LC was a 4th rounder
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I'll be cheering for you to lay the wood on Dallas and Philly.
Or at least wait to see what we do with the money we didn't pay Collins. If we use it to replace him and get another decent player than great! But if not then we're just praising the Giants for letting a guy leave...which in of itself doesn't make the team better.
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Here you go... Buccaneers Offered Third-Rounder For Landon Collins In 2018 - ( New Window )
Didn't the Bucs deny this? Dunleavy wrote just 5 days ago that the best offer for LC was a 4th rounder link - ( New Window )
My guess is that DG wanted to increase the price for Collins and floated rumors about the trade offer. I think his plan was always to get rid of Collins after the season. He misplayed his hand on trying to get higher offers for Collins.
Tashaun Gipson fits.
We were smart to not overpay here.
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i'm glad for collins that he gets his payday and with his favorite team. i always liked him. i cheered like crazy when reese traded up to get him.
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General manager Dave Gettleman could have franchised him for the 2019 season at $11.2 million, and even if the team didn't think Collins was a long-term building block for the defense, the Giants could have used the tag to explore the trade market for their starting safety. Given that he will average more than the tag number on a long-term deal, it's pretty clear he would have had some semblance of a market.
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What if they just get a 3rd rounder back as compensation now and the only offer we had on the table in-season was a 4?
This rumor was debunked by Art Stapleton
Major screw up by Gettlemen. With the way FA is going, if he could have signed LC for $10 mill a year, it would have been a good contract, and if he wasn't going to do that, then Eric is right, you assure yourself of a 3rd round pick. We may get nothing out of this, and I don't know how you go about building a team when you are always taking one step forward and a step back.
Major screw up by Gettlemen. With the way FA is going, if he could have signed LC for $10 mill a year, it would have been a good contract, and if he wasn't going to do that, then Eric is right, you assure yourself of a 3rd round pick. We may get nothing out of this, and I don't know how you go about building a team when you are always taking one step forward and a step back.
Market price doesn't mean it's wise to spend it.
And it does matter, there's a salary cap in this league and fans are going to be keyed on how their team is spending those cap dollars.
It matters for obvious reasons - it's finite space.
Again - the 3rd round pick wasn't even offered. It sounds like the best we got was a 4.
We do get something out of this. Cap space to pursue someone better or someone cheaper, and we may get a comp pick that is better than what could have been recouped in the trade market.
If we do, then all of a sudden what we did makes perfect sense and everyone who has been fucking losing their mind over Gettleman not trading him can... stop. Or relax.
It is like people just look for ways to throw crap at DG.
Meanwhile, we just walked from a guy who weakened a division rivals cap.
There were reports of a 3rd at the time of the deadline, no reports of a 4th. Before the final decision reports of 3rds still. It was only after we announced he wouldn’t be back and the front office got planned that their were sources reporting that it wasn’t a 3rd.
Given the sequence of facts and their release it certainly lends more to trying to make it look like less of a screw up than what actually occurred.
It is like people just look for ways to throw crap at DG.
Meanwhile, we just walked from a guy who weakened a division rivals cap.
You can argue we actually weakened the Redskins defense in general. Teams are going to have a field day throwing across the middle on them now.