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Nick Foles signs with Jax

Alex_Webster : 3/11/2019 5:07 pm
4 yrs 88 Million.
lol  
Banks : 3/11/2019 5:09 pm : link
good luck jax
This is on the FA signing  
bradshaw44 : 3/11/2019 5:09 pm : link
thread above.
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BleedBlue : 3/11/2019 5:11 pm : link
lol
Glad the rumor mongers  
mrvax : 3/11/2019 5:13 pm : link
Foles --> Giants were proven false.
Holy shite  
Joey in VA : 3/11/2019 5:16 pm : link
That's a ton of $ for an on again off again QB.
88 means nothing  
arniefez : 3/11/2019 5:20 pm : link
may as well be 88 billion. How much is guaranteed?
I just read it's 50 million  
arniefez : 3/11/2019 5:21 pm : link
guaranteed. Tom Coughlin is going to leave Jacksonville in worse shape the 2nd time than he did the first time.
These teams are nuts  
Go Terps : 3/11/2019 5:23 pm : link
And by the way...if Josh Rosen is traded his total cap hit for the next three years is like $6M or $7M. You're telling me Foles at that cost is a better option? No way.
Maybe that is an upgrade from Blake Bortles  
Mike from Ohio : 3/11/2019 5:23 pm : link
but I don't think it is a substantial one.
22M/year  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/11/2019 5:27 pm : link
is outside of the top 10 though right?

Foles is not top 10 but he's average, so he's slotted above the mean but not egregiously though.
Hahaha  
UConn4523 : 3/11/2019 5:29 pm : link
even funnier than some hear advocated signing him.
RE: 22M/year  
HomerJones45 : 3/11/2019 5:30 pm : link
In comment 14325002 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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is outside of the top 10 though right?

Foles is not top 10 but he's average, so he's slotted above the mean but not egregiously though.
The market is the market, but sheesh, Nick Foles?? He's a more expensive version of Case Keenum
RE: These teams are nuts  
widmerseyebrow : 3/11/2019 5:31 pm : link
In comment 14324993 Go Terps said:
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And by the way...if Josh Rosen is traded his total cap hit for the next three years is like $6M or $7M. You're telling me Foles at that cost is a better option? No way.


I'm far from a Foles fan, but Jax has to see their window is now. Rosen has yet to show he's capable of being an NFL starter. That team will probably be on the decline by the time Rosen is ready to win a Super Bowl.
Coughlin  
ajr2456 : 3/11/2019 5:36 pm : link
has done wonders to shrink the Jag's Super Bowl window.
I hope he has a solid year and leads them to the playoffs.  
bceagle05 : 3/11/2019 5:36 pm : link
I'm amused by the hate he gets around here.
Bortles must be really pissed  
PatersonPlank : 3/11/2019 5:36 pm : link
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Agree with Terps  
Dave on the UWS : 3/11/2019 5:37 pm : link
He hasn’t been good as a starter. (Except that 1 yr with Shurmur). The money is nuts. Rosen at his cap hit is so much better as an option it’s laughable!
I..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/11/2019 5:41 pm : link
would actually think their window was two years ago and shut.

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I'm far from a Foles fan, but Jax has to see their window is now


They have issues with Fournette and the D will need to regain their form. They are much more likely the 2016 Giants than they are a contender.
Doubt Jags trade up for Haskins now.  
Blue21 : 3/11/2019 5:43 pm : link
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RE: Bortles must be really pissed  
Gruber : 3/11/2019 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14325021 PatersonPlank said:
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It's not like it's a surprise, is it?
The writing has been on the wall for Bortles since the middle of last season. Not sure if there is even a trade market for him.
I think Jacksonville just closed their window  
Go Terps : 3/11/2019 5:47 pm : link
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qb  
jurban : 3/11/2019 5:47 pm : link
look what happened to minn. signing cousins...he sucks...good fantasy qb foles will be better than bortles.....but not much...
This Should Be Good for the Giants  
bigfish703 : 3/11/2019 5:52 pm : link
It makes it unlikely that the Jax will try to jump the Giants to get Haskins. We should be able to get either him or Murray if we want a QB. My bet is still on an edge rusher, either Sweat or Josh Allen.
Yes!!  
moze1021 : 3/11/2019 6:17 pm : link
So happy we aren't bringing in a Philly icon.

Whew
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arcarsenal : 3/11/2019 6:19 pm : link
They're going to hate this by the end of year 1.

There are a lot of really stupid teams in this league.
RE: I hope he has a solid year and leads them to the playoffs.  
Joey in VA : 3/11/2019 6:22 pm : link
In comment 14325020 bceagle05 said:
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I'm amused by the hate he gets around here.
That's plausible, and I think the hate is due to the putrid green barf bag he was wearing until today. He's got a ring, and he led the team there, so he's not terrible but he's so mercurial it's hard to count on him. I personally like his play but I'm not very stable.
New England and Philly are the big winners today  
Go Terps : 3/11/2019 6:22 pm : link
Loading up on cap space relative to today's active teams and comp picks (Philly didn't impact their formula by signing Malik Jackson, who had already been cut).
Coughlin  
PaulN : 3/11/2019 6:45 pm : link
Knows more about football then this entire organization, he signed a QB that will get this team to the playoffs, that is what he just did. The window is wide open, only in your brain it isn't.
RE: Coughlin  
Jay on the Island : 3/11/2019 6:52 pm : link
In comment 14325124 PaulN said:
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Knows more about football then this entire organization, he signed a QB that will get this team to the playoffs, that is what he just did. The window is wide open, only in your brain it isn't.

So I guess we will just overlook the fact that he gave Blake Bortles a 3 year 54 million dollar contract 13 months ago.
RE: RE: Coughlin  
arcarsenal : 3/11/2019 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14325134 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14325124 PaulN said:


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Knows more about football then this entire organization, he signed a QB that will get this team to the playoffs, that is what he just did. The window is wide open, only in your brain it isn't.


So I guess we will just overlook the fact that he gave Blake Bortles a 3 year 54 million dollar contract 13 months ago.


LOL. Paul gonna Paul.
RE: Coughlin  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/11/2019 7:34 pm : link
In comment 14325124 PaulN said:
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Knows more about football then this entire organization, he signed a QB that will get this team to the playoffs, that is what he just did. The window is wide open, only in your brain it isn't.


Too bad he wasted a season thinking Blake Bortles could get his team to the playoffs.
RE: RE: Coughlin  
ajr2456 : 3/11/2019 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14325206 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14325124 PaulN said:


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Knows more about football then this entire organization, he signed a QB that will get this team to the playoffs, that is what he just did. The window is wide open, only in your brain it isn't.



Too bad he wasted a season thinking Blake Bortles could get his team to the playoffs.


And saddled them with a $16.5 million dead cap hit when they cut Bortles.
Foles is like a MLB hitter....  
BillKo : 3/11/2019 7:42 pm : link
...who does really good for a short period of time....then if he has to play any significant time, you get the better read on him. And his weaknesses appear.

He's better than Bortles, but that's a heavy price.........
RE: Holy shite  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/11/2019 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14324979 Joey in VA said:
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That's a ton of $ for an on again off again QB.


But he’s an option for the RPO ala madden and college. Thank Fuckin God as all that is holy that Jax signed his over rated ass. Eli needs to go at 23 million but 21 million of which God k owe how much is guaranteed is a good deal for a stop gap short term solution of which no one k Les whatguy shows up.



RE: I hope he has a solid year and leads them to the playoffs.  
Chris in Philly : 3/11/2019 8:00 pm : link
In comment 14325020 bceagle05 said:
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I'm amused by the hate he gets around here.


The guy won a Super Bowl for the fucking Eagles. And you don’t understand the hate? Are you insane?
I could of swore  
JOrthman : 3/11/2019 8:10 pm : link
several on BBI said he wouldn't make that much money. Now, who will own up to it?
RE: I could of swore  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/11/2019 8:13 pm : link
In comment 14325278 JOrthman said:
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several on BBI said he wouldn't make that much money. Now, who will own up to it?


There's always a sucker team that overpays. That doesn't mean he's actually worth that money.

RE: RE: I could of swore  
JOrthman : 3/11/2019 8:30 pm : link
In comment 14325283 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14325278 JOrthman said:


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several on BBI said he wouldn't make that much money. Now, who will own up to it?



There's always a sucker team that overpays. That doesn't mean he's actually worth that money.


Neither was Cousins or Keenum. None of us said he was worth it, but knew based on history what he'd probably get.
...  
christian : 3/11/2019 8:31 pm : link
Maybe it was Coughlin and not Reese?
RE: These teams are nuts  
yatqb : 3/11/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14324993 Go Terps said:
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And by the way...if Josh Rosen is traded his total cap hit for the next three years is like $6M or $7M. You're telling me Foles at that cost is a better option? No way.


And yet some here think we could land him for a 3rd or some other ridiculous offer.
I thought..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/11/2019 8:45 pm : link
there was a near consensus he was going to get paid:

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I could of swore
JOrthman : 8:10 pm : link : reply
several on BBI said he wouldn't make that much money. Now, who will own up to it?


That's why having him replace Eli was a folly. He was going to make more than Eli with not much upside.
RE: I thought..  
JOrthman : 3/11/2019 9:17 pm : link
In comment 14325341 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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there was a near consensus he was going to get paid:



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I could of swore
JOrthman : 8:10 pm : link : reply
several on BBI said he wouldn't make that much money. Now, who will own up to it?



That's why having him replace Eli was a folly. He was going to make more than Eli with not much upside.


Oh I know that...along with many of us on previous threads. We kept insisting he wasn't a viable option to take over for Eli. We didn't see how it was possible and said he would be too expensive...and then this happened.
RE: I thought..  
Chris in Philly : 3/11/2019 9:19 pm : link
In comment 14325341 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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there was a near consensus he was going to get paid:



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I could of swore
JOrthman : 8:10 pm : link : reply
several on BBI said he wouldn't make that much money. Now, who will own up to it?



That's why having him replace Eli was a folly. He was going to make more than Eli with not much upside.


I am with J. There were a number of geniuses whose grand plan was to sign Foles to team-friendly deal. It was absurd.
RE: I thought..  
christian : 3/11/2019 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14325341 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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there was a near consensus he was going to get paid:



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I could of swore
JOrthman : 8:10 pm : link : reply
several on BBI said he wouldn't make that much money. Now, who will own up to it?



That's why having him replace Eli was a folly. He was going to make more than Eli with not much upside.


The operating premise is that 30-year-old Nick Foles will be more productive than 38-year-old Eli Manning, and then likely exponentially moreso from there. And when Manning is good and retired from the NFL in a few years -- his contract won't be so expensive.

There's no guarantee -- but not that farfetched -- and definitely upside.
It has been shown..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/11/2019 9:36 pm : link
time and again that paying a mediocre veteran QB a lot of money as a FA rarely ends up favorably.

But not surprisingly, rationalizing it being a good move happens here.

With the prerequisite slight to Eli as part of it.

Contrarian thinking fails here
RE: It has been shown..  
christian : 3/11/2019 9:43 pm : link
In comment 14325415 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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time and again that paying a mediocre veteran QB a lot of money as a FA rarely ends up favorably.

But not surprisingly, rationalizing it being a good move happens here.

With the prerequisite slight to Eli as part of it.

Contrarian thinking fails here


Where in the pecking order of NFL quarterbacks do you rank Manning for the 2019 season? Where do you project him to be in the subsequent seasons of Foles's contract?
The collective amnesia over Foles was disturbing.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/11/2019 9:43 pm : link
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This..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/11/2019 9:50 pm : link
is immaterial:

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Where in the pecking order of NFL quarterbacks do you rank Manning for the 2019 season? Where do you project him to be in the subsequent seasons of Foles's contract?


The question is if Foles is worth paying that money to be the starting QB. Period.

If he were Aaron Rodgers, then it is part of the discussion, but even then, the model of paying a QB a lot of money isn't favorable in today's NFL. It's why we would likely be better off without Eli taking up that cap space. Foles taking it up isn't any more favorable.
RE: This..  
christian : 3/11/2019 10:05 pm : link
In comment 14325432 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is immaterial:



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Where in the pecking order of NFL quarterbacks do you rank Manning for the 2019 season? Where do you project him to be in the subsequent seasons of Foles's contract?



The question is if Foles is worth paying that money to be the starting QB. Period.

If he were Aaron Rodgers, then it is part of the discussion, but even then, the model of paying a QB a lot of money isn't favorable in today's NFL. It's why we would likely be better off without Eli taking up that cap space. Foles taking it up isn't any more favorable.


How do you define upside then?

I completely agree Manning isn't worth the resource allocation. But how is it a knock on Manning that a (8 year) younger QB who's had consecutive playoff winning seasons has more upside?

I don't think Manning or Foles is worth 23M+ dollars a year. I think Manning is a bottom third QB, and Foles just ahead of that. But Foles will actually be in the NFL in 2 years, and is a wiser investment.

But those of course are different arguments -- value of resource allocation and upside.
RE: RE: I hope he has a solid year and leads them to the playoffs.  
bceagle05 : 3/12/2019 12:51 am : link
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The guy won a Super Bowl for the fucking Eagles. And you don’t understand the hate? Are you insane?

I can hate the uniform without hating the individual - the guy deserves to start in the league and the contract he got is about the going rate for veteran QBs with some good football on their resumes. Some of Foles' harshest critics on here will make excuse after excuse for the shitty play of our own $20+ million QB.
$88M for a QB that when tapped on the shoulder...  
Torrag : 3/12/2019 12:55 am : link
...to actually lead his team crapped out. LOL.
And the "hate" I was referring to was not typical Eagle hate  
bceagle05 : 3/12/2019 12:56 am : link
but the hate generated by the insecurity of the Eli loyalists who act like Nick Foles is Alex Tanney just because a few people had the audacity to suggest he might be a better option than Eli at this point.
I don't really get this..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/12/2019 8:11 am : link
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I think Manning is a bottom third QB, and Foles just ahead of that. But Foles will actually be in the NFL in 2 years, and is a wiser investment


Is Foles a wiser investment than riding Eli out one last year? I don't think so.

again - throwing money at a mediocre QB is foolish. People point to leading the Eagles to the playoffs two years, but he really only played the last quarter of the season two years ago - winning the SB and then last year started out so poorly Wentz was rushed back into action. Then he came in and the team went to the playoffs - with average QB play.

It really doesn't matter how long Eli will play or if Foles will still be in the league two years from now. He'll be in the league as an overprice average QB - the exact same things people say kills the Giants. But now it is a wiser investment?

A bad contract is a bad contract.
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