Do we still want Josh Rosen

Casserly seems to be sticking his head out a bit too much lately. These comments on Rosen seem over the top and it seems like a lot of people who would have a better idea are disagreeing with him.

It almost seems like he's trying to get himself out there by being over the top lately. Not sure how accurate this stuff is.

If Rosen can be had for a 3rd, I would be super interested.

But I'd want them to do their homework, obviously - and ideally they'd have done most of it before last year's draft and should already know what he's about.

Never did, still don’t.

really give a shit what Casserly has to say.....

He'd be a great choice for us

I'd still be very interesting in Rosen. He is the QB I wanted last year.

2) If they're taking cues from Casserly it's worse than I thought

Charlie Casserly know about anything? He’s a hasbeen.

damn i guess the cards are screwed either way



yes, i still want rosen lmfao

just not with our 1st rounder

If he ends up being traded for that or less elsewhere in the league it will be frustrating.

For a 2nd and about $1.5M/year?

A risk? Sure, every trade/pick/FA is a risk but that is not a lot for a guy with his ability.

As far as criticism from Charley Casserly affecting my opinion...it makes me more confident.

who wanted him 2 days ago still do and those who didn't still don't

Some of the beat writers suggest we may not have wanted him last year due to his concussions and/or attitude. We will see.

I hope that Casserly continues to bash Rosen
Hopefully that will drive his price down

The 4 days between the OKLA pro day (3/13) and when Eli's cap deadline (3/17) will be telling.

I agree that Casserly input should be discounted. I just thought his statements would bring out a lot of discussion.

+1

I don't think he's shown he still is or isn't. It's him or Haskins I would think. Can't see DG passing on getting the next QB. I

But I just really believe that they wouldn’t have hired Kingsbury if he didn’t think he could make it work with Rosen. Look at the Cardinals roster. It’s terrible. I’m really thinking they are just tempting the Raiders to come on up #1, Gruden gets his guy, while they drop a few slots, still get a stud defender and a boatload of picks to fix the roster.

Again, I’d love to take a chance on Rosen, but I don’t think that’s the Cardinals plan, ultimately

In comment 14325123 Archer said:

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I hope that Casserly continues to bash Rosen Hopefully that will drive his price down

He’s not driving his price down at all. He stated that he would be the first qb taken if he was drafted this year...??

In comment 14325132 Saos1n said:

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But I just really believe that they wouldn’t have hired Kingsbury if he didn’t think he could make it work with Rosen. Look at the Cardinals roster. It’s terrible. I’m really thinking they are just tempting the Raiders to come on up #1, Gruden gets his guy, while they drop a few slots, still get a stud defender and a boatload of picks to fix the roster. Again, I’d love to take a chance on Rosen, but I don’t think that’s the Cardinals plan, ultimately

That's possible but it wasn't certain Murray wouldn't be playing baseball. That he's committed to football changes things. I think Arizona is going to take Murray but what do I know.

What does that say???

Pass

is not in the picture for the Giants, now or in the future . MO.

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What does that say??? Pass

this is the worst argument fucking ever.

Why cant people see that they could be getting rid of rosen BECAUSE THEY LIKE MURRAY BETTER FOR THEIR SCHEME.

i dont understand how people cant simply grasp this

opinion is irrelevant.

Never wanted the guy.

and don't expect to ever want him.

Why
Would prefer Tua Herbert and Fromm

His oline.

In comment 14325148 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 14325145 JohnB said: Quote: What does that say??? Pass this is the worst argument fucking ever. Why cant people see that they could be getting rid of rosen BECAUSE THEY LIKE MURRAY BETTER FOR THEIR SCHEME. i dont understand how people cant simply grasp this

I think there’s a pretty wide middle ground here. I’m skeptical of why they are willing to dump him, regardless of how they may prefer Murray. That’s a whole lot of faith to put in a new coach, possibly being wrong about 2 QBs in the same offseason.

I like Rosen the player. Whether he fits in NY is another story, and why I’m hesitant.

In comment 14325116 Go Terps said:

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If he ends up being traded for that or less elsewhere in the league it will be frustrating.

+1

However at right price solves the QB for the future issue and a year of NFL experience and playing time. Who knows what the Giants saw in him last year or not. As people have said, signing him makes Eli expendable I guess so to speak. Not for our 6th but I would tempted by our 2nd.

Our investment in Rosen would basically be what we trade for him, because his cap hit for 2019 is going to be lower than what we just gave Spencer Pulley. Here's the scenario:

1. Trade for Rosen
2. Cut Eli before 3/17
3. Start Rosen in 2019

Worst case scenario (Rosen plays poorly and is all the terrible things he's rumored to be): gain $15M in cap space, in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft

Best case scenario: Rosen plays well, we've gained $15M in cap space, we have Rosen for another 2 years at $2M per, and we don't have to draft a QB in 2020.

Actual scenario that's going to happen: Eli is the QB, he's paid $23M in 2019, and we are in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft.

The "actual scenario" is worse than the "worst case scenario". What does that tell you about how things are being run?

Yes.

If you did, you wouldn't be making fun of him because he's an older gentleman.

What he did say, was if Josh Rosen got his act together, he'd be the #1 pick in this draft and possibly last years as well.

He said, he has all the talent in the world. Casserly was actually trying to help him...

Far from being senile, like so many have made him out to be.

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“Josh Rosen underachieved while at Penn state and he was a coach killer with Dallas”

— Charlie Casserly

Then hell no!

Eli would have to be cut. Under no circumstance would it be ok to have both on the roster.

...if you got SB and then Rosen a year later, that's two premium players that were rated at the top of the draft. And we'd have them both.

And that would be a steal.

I'd offer anything but a first rounder...........

In comment 14325186 sxdxca said:

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If you did, you wouldn't be making fun of him because he's an older gentleman. What he did say, was if Josh Rosen got his act together, he'd be the #1 pick in this draft and possibly last years as well. He said, he has all the talent in the world. Casserly was actually trying to help him... Far from being senile, like so many have made him out to be.

I admit that I didn’t listen to Casserly. However, the fact that Casserly said IF means that he has all the talent but doesn’t apply himself yet. He can mature more and become a franchise quarterback or maybe not. I wanted to solicit inputs from BBI. I did not express my opinion about Rosen in my OP.

Nope

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In comment 14325176 Go Terps said:

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Our investment in Rosen would basically be what we trade for him, because his cap hit for 2019 is going to be lower than what we just gave Spencer Pulley. Here's the scenario: 1. Trade for Rosen 2. Cut Eli before 3/17 3. Start Rosen in 2019 Worst case scenario (Rosen plays poorly and is all the terrible things he's rumored to be): gain $15M in cap space, in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft Best case scenario: Rosen plays well, we've gained $15M in cap space, we have Rosen for another 2 years at $2M per, and we don't have to draft a QB in 2020. Actual scenario that's going to happen: Eli is the QB, he's paid $23M in 2019, and we are in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft. The "actual scenario" is worse than the "worst case scenario". What does that tell you about how things are being run?

Sign me up for this scenario.

on any QB that you expect to start is that if he doesn't turn out to be the right guy, there are no "safe, cheap moves".

Why? Because you don't plunk a guy in as a starter and give him one season and then cut bait normally. So that "low risk" move, now becomes a two-year or more investment in time.

Just look at Kirk Cousins for the Redskins. He was cheap, and low risk. He also was part of a team that treaded water and eventually forced them to make a bigger splash for a vet QB.

Brainer to me. Best qb in last years draft for probably a 2nd rounder. Giants would be stupid not to do that if he is indeed available.

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Because you don't plunk a guy in as a starter and give him one season and then cut bait normally.

Why can't the Giants do that with Rosen if they trade for him and he's a disaster?

In comment 14325176 Go Terps said:

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Our investment in Rosen would basically be what we trade for him, because his cap hit for 2019 is going to be lower than what we just gave Spencer Pulley. Here's the scenario: 1. Trade for Rosen 2. Cut Eli before 3/17 3. Start Rosen in 2019 Worst case scenario (Rosen plays poorly and is all the terrible things he's rumored to be): gain $15M in cap space, in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft Best case scenario: Rosen plays well, we've gained $15M in cap space, we have Rosen for another 2 years at $2M per, and we don't have to draft a QB in 2020. Actual scenario that's going to happen: Eli is the QB, he's paid $23M in 2019, and we are in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft. The "actual scenario" is worse than the "worst case scenario". What does that tell you about how things are being run?

Plus a million

certainly could, but it isn't what normally happens:

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Why can't the Giants do that with Rosen if they trade for him and he's a disaster?

Better question is what if they trade for him and he's just average and then ends up not developing. What if he becomes a Kirk Cousins/Derek Carr/Andy Dalton type QB?

In comment 14325293 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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certainly could, but it isn't what normally happens: Quote: Why can't the Giants do that with Rosen if they trade for him and he's a disaster? Better question is what if they trade for him and he's just average and then ends up not developing. What if he becomes a Kirk Cousins/Derek Carr/Andy Dalton type QB?

Can't that concern be used against any young player?

with any young player.

But what I'm saying is if the feeling is he has too many red flags or doesn't pan out, it isn't like making a move for him comes without a significant impact.

And that impact goes beyond the monetary impact.

I was all for picking a QB last year, but when they didn't and we saw what Barkley could do, I understood it, especially if none of those QB's become franchise-level.

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Better question is what if they trade for him and he's just average and then ends up not developing. What if he becomes a Kirk Cousins/Derek Carr/Andy Dalton type QB?

You're only paying him $2M a year. Any of those guys would be a great value at that price. The problem becomes when they get payed $20M-$30M a year...that's when the advantage disappears and becomes an albatross.

If Rosen performs at that level for three years, fantastic. Then he walks in FA or you trade him instead of making that fatal contract error. Then draft a QB and hope you find the next Mahomes. If you didn't, repeat the process while the stupid teams allocate 10+% of their caps to a guy that's only marginally better than your cheap guy (if at all).

In comment 14325310 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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with any young player. But what I'm saying is if the feeling is he has too many red flags or doesn't pan out, it isn't like making a move for him comes without a significant impact. And that impact goes beyond the monetary impact. I was all for picking a QB last year, but when they didn't and we saw what Barkley could do, I understood it, especially if none of those QB's become franchise-level.

I was in the same boat, and i am cool with the Saquon pick. But potentially adding Rosen for a cheap cap hit with multiple years of control with a decent offensive line, awesome skill players and a fantastic qb coach as HC? I think that is a risk worth taking.

knowing how the Giants operate, i expect them to put their eggs in the Haskins basket.

him if we're not selling the farm.

I still think he ends up in Foxboro.

In comment 14325176 Go Terps said:

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Our investment in Rosen would basically be what we trade for him, because his cap hit for 2019 is going to be lower than what we just gave Spencer Pulley. Here's the scenario: 1. Trade for Rosen 2. Cut Eli before 3/17 3. Start Rosen in 2019 Worst case scenario (Rosen plays poorly and is all the terrible things he's rumored to be): gain $15M in cap space, in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft Best case scenario: Rosen plays well, we've gained $15M in cap space, we have Rosen for another 2 years at $2M per, and we don't have to draft a QB in 2020. Actual scenario that's going to happen: Eli is the QB, he's paid $23M in 2019, and we are in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft. The "actual scenario" is worse than the "worst case scenario". What does that tell you about how things are being run?

I think this is spot on. It’s go time. No sense clearing cap after the big FAs are gone. Also, as one poster has been banging the drum, Eli is due $5 large soon.

But, let’s be honest. The Giants aren’t unloading Eli in March.

In comment 14325271 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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on any QB that you expect to start is that if he doesn't turn out to be the right guy, there are no "safe, cheap moves". Why? Because you don't plunk a guy in as a starter and give him one season and then cut bait normally. So that "low risk" move, now becomes a two-year or more investment in time. Just look at Kirk Cousins for the Redskins. He was cheap, and low risk. He also was part of a team that treaded water and eventually forced them to make a bigger splash for a vet QB.

+1

is almost 100% a public relations issue.

At the first sign of it not working the wolves will be out.

Getts can survive another losing season with Eli, but a 5 win season with Rosen has a decent chance of getting him fired.

At this point in my life, football is just entertainment. And the thing about entertainment is that it shouldn’t be boring. For quite a while, the Giants have fielded a boring offense, apart from a few flashes in recent years from Beckham and, more recently, Barkley. A trade for Rosen would instantly make the Giants one of the more intriguing teams in the NFL. The intrigue might not last, and the team might still stink, but at least there would be some suspense, and the potential for a more exciting brand of football.

In comment 14325176 Go Terps said:

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Our investment in Rosen would basically be what we trade for him, because his cap hit for 2019 is going to be lower than what we just gave Spencer Pulley. Here's the scenario: 1. Trade for Rosen 2. Cut Eli before 3/17 3. Start Rosen in 2019 Worst case scenario (Rosen plays poorly and is all the terrible things he's rumored to be): gain $15M in cap space, in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft Best case scenario: Rosen plays well, we've gained $15M in cap space, we have Rosen for another 2 years at $2M per, and we don't have to draft a QB in 2020. Actual scenario that's going to happen: Eli is the QB, he's paid $23M in 2019, and we are in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft. The "actual scenario" is worse than the "worst case scenario". What does that tell you about how things are being run?

Thissss

His mock draft from about a week or so came out and didn’t have Ed Oliver going anywhere in the 1st round. The man is clearly senile.

Casserly is in someone's pocket trying to drive Rosen's value down. Kent Somers was the Cards beat writer for over a decade. He's plugged as a columnist for the Arizona Republic and a straight shooter. No one on on the inside of the organization shares his view. They just took Suggs on a one-year, which tells me they're going defense with their pick, and likely not signing Markus Golden. We should be all over him by the way.


Kent Somers Refutes Casserly Report on Rosen - ( New Window )

he targeted Anquan Boldin too much last year?

In comment 14325390 Big Blue Blogger said:

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At this point in my life, football is just entertainment. And the thing about entertainment is that it shouldn’t be boring. For quite a while, the Giants have fielded a boring offense, apart from a few flashes in recent years from Beckham and, more recently, Barkley. A trade for Rosen would instantly make the Giants one of the more intriguing teams in the NFL. The intrigue might not last, and the team might still stink, but at least there would be some suspense, and the potential for a more exciting brand of football.

For this year, after bringing in Zeitler and potentially signing a legit RT or drafting one, I would love to see what Eli can do. Been a long time since he has had protection and not just weapons he has no time to throw to.

Rosen would be a good fit here. The Giants fans need to see a legitimate top prospect to take Eli's job. I'd like to see Eli mentor Rosen.
I'm sure DG will continue to help fix the OL, as well as draft to build the defense.
I'm not looking forward to another hapless season watching Eli's career come to an end. I want to be hopeful to watch an heir apparent take this team to the playoffs.

I would either trade down in the draft to acquire more picks or get serious about moving Odell. With Rosen you likely aren't going to make the playoffs, sell high on OBJ now and build the roster.

Round 1: Haskins. Round 2: Adderley

Or

Round 1: Devon White. Trade 2nd rounder for Rosen

Which way would you go?

They can not use the 1st pick on a QB.....it must be a stud defensive player. To be honest, they 2nd pick should be on defense as well.

The Giants have lost 3 argueably best defenders in OV, Snacks and Collins.


It is a given thar They will overpay for a RT.....wait for tye scrap heep for the balance of filling the roster

In comment 14325464 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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I would either trade down in the draft to acquire more picks or get serious about moving Odell. With Rosen you likely aren't going to make the playoffs, sell high on OBJ now and build the roster.

Don't seeing either happening, not DG's style to trade down and why would they trade OBJ after signing that new contract.

In comment 14325473 GFAN52 said:

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In comment 14325464 Jim in Forest Hills said: Quote: I would either trade down in the draft to acquire more picks or get serious about moving Odell. With Rosen you likely aren't going to make the playoffs, sell high on OBJ now and build the roster. Don't seeing either happening, not DG's style to trade down and why would they trade OBJ after signing that new contract.

They can’t trade him this year. They would take a huge cap hit and I’m sure the market price is way down after the AB garbage this past weekend.

dumped. What is wrong with this guy?

In comment 14325479 SterlingArcher said:

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dumped. What is wrong with this guy?

New coach and a system that fits Murray better than Rosen is the popular opinion.

In comment 14325466 George from PA said:

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They can not use the 1st pick on a QB.....it must be a stud defensive player. To be honest, they 2nd pick should be on defense as well. The Giants have lost 3 argueably best defenders in OV, Snacks and Collins. It is a given thar They will overpay for a RT.....wait for tye scrap heep for the balance of filling the roster

I think, in my opinion at least, the mistake here is the thought that they have to fill all these holes immediately. Barring a surprising run the Giants are not going to contend this year. If they get their QB this year and say spend on a RT, the bulk of the defense “talent” probably wouldn’t be added until next year. A lot of the arguments about Eli fail to point out that blaming or not blaming Eli is pointless, our defense is and our o line was bad. Even if you draft 3 D players with our first 3 picks in the draft, odds are they will take a year or two to really break out. The same can be said about any new QB brought aboard. All of this will take a couple of seasons most likely, in that time Eli only gets older. I’m all for Rosen, but if you pass you still have plenty of stuff to fix on top of finding a QB. I do understand where you are coming from but even if we go 7-9, 8-8 this year it’s not really any successful season and it certainly wouldn’t provide sustained success. The 11-5 season under Macadoo was preceeded and followed by really crap seasons. You need to secure young players and then continue to build ahead of time as opposed to plugging holes everywhere.

We never wanted him to begin with lol. There is a certain contingent on BBI that would wish it were otherwise though haha.

In comment 14325484 eric2425ny said:

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In comment 14325479 SterlingArcher said: Quote: dumped. What is wrong with this guy? New coach and a system that fits Murray better than Rosen is the popular opinion.

And Kingsbury has already professed his love for Murray, before he was selected as AZ HC. He openly said if he ever was a HC he'd draft Murray in Rd 1.

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dumped. What is wrong with this guy?

I've been asking the same question. The answer always seems to be that Rosen is not a good fit for the new coach's offensive system. Yet no one has answered why the Cardinals would be so willing to hire a new coach whose offensive system is incompatible with the guy they drafted 11 months ago to be their franchise quarterback.

This is why I want no part of Rosen.

In comment 14325533 Bramton1 said:

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In comment 14325479 SterlingArcher said: Quote: dumped. What is wrong with this guy? I've been asking the same question. The answer always seems to be that Rosen is not a good fit for the new coach's offensive system. Yet no one has answered why the Cardinals would be so willing to hire a new coach whose offensive system is incompatible with the guy they drafted 11 months ago to be their franchise quarterback. This is why I want no part of Rosen.

My money says the Cardinals are not trading Rosen and never were planning to. It was the GM of the Cardinals who drafted Rosen and traded up for him after undoubtedly scouting him ad nauseum even though they had already signed Sam Bradford who, when healthy, was never as bad as he looked on the Cardinals this year (and a lot of that was likely because of how bad the rest of the Cardinals offense was). It's far more likely that the GM hired the new head coach who he believes could make Rosen better than hand the personnel/draft reins to that brand new coach to pick whatever players he wants. That just seems highly unlikely to me.

I think Rosen will be very good. I have a theory that more mobile QBs tend to have more success early in their career because they can make plays with their feet without relying as much on quick reads and mental processing, but at the end of the day, an elite drop back passer is going to make his team better in the long run than a good passer with very good mobility. The ball just moves down the field more quickly and more efficiently in the air than on the grounds, even more so in the modern NFL.

That said, I don't think Rosen is actually on the trade block; I'd bet it's just a test to see if they can raise the trade price for the #1 pick.

I know that's a different mindset than most here but Rosen needs a mentor more than any of the other options out there. Learn not only how to read defenses but how to handle the NY media.

In fact, unless it's someone like Russel Wilson, which it won't be, whoever they get will likely need to sit behind Eli Manning for a year. Eli will do it because he's got too much class not too. Hell, he would do it without even knowing he is doing it. He's always helped his backups and every player around him.

Unless they make some amazing moves this off-season, they will not improve much this year. The OL still might just be average at this point by adding Zeitler and there is NOBODY to fear on defense right now.

In comment 14325561 Danny80 said:

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In comment 14325533 Bramton1 said: Quote: In comment 14325479 SterlingArcher said: Quote: dumped. What is wrong with this guy? I've been asking the same question. The answer always seems to be that Rosen is not a good fit for the new coach's offensive system. Yet no one has answered why the Cardinals would be so willing to hire a new coach whose offensive system is incompatible with the guy they drafted 11 months ago to be their franchise quarterback. This is why I want no part of Rosen. My money says the Cardinals are not trading Rosen and never were planning to. It was the GM of the Cardinals who drafted Rosen and traded up for him after undoubtedly scouting him ad nauseum even though they had already signed Sam Bradford who, when healthy, was never as bad as he looked on the Cardinals this year (and a lot of that was likely because of how bad the rest of the Cardinals offense was). It's far more likely that the GM hired the new head coach who he believes could make Rosen better than hand the personnel/draft reins to that brand new coach to pick whatever players he wants. That just seems highly unlikely to me. I think Rosen will be very good. I have a theory that more mobile QBs tend to have more success early in their career because they can make plays with their feet without relying as much on quick reads and mental processing, but at the end of the day, an elite drop back passer is going to make his team better in the long run than a good passer with very good mobility. The ball just moves down the field more quickly and more efficiently in the air than on the grounds, even more so in the modern NFL. That said, I don't think Rosen is actually on the trade block; I'd bet it's just a test to see if they can raise the trade price for the #1 pick.

Kyler Murray's pro day is tomorrow. If he does really well there, the Cards interest in trading Rosen could start to ramp up.

In comment 14325176 Go Terps said:

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Our investment in Rosen would basically be what we trade for him, because his cap hit for 2019 is going to be lower than what we just gave Spencer Pulley. Here's the scenario: 1. Trade for Rosen 2. Cut Eli before 3/17 3. Start Rosen in 2019 Worst case scenario (Rosen plays poorly and is all the terrible things he's rumored to be): gain $15M in cap space, in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft Best case scenario: Rosen plays well, we've gained $15M in cap space, we have Rosen for another 2 years at $2M per, and we don't have to draft a QB in 2020. Actual scenario that's going to happen: Eli is the QB, he's paid $23M in 2019, and we are in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft. The "actual scenario" is worse than the "worst case scenario". What does that tell you about how things are being run?

Well in your best and worst case scenarios you didn't factor in the draft picks used to trade for Rosen... The changes the equation quite a bit.

That said, if Rosen can be had for cheap (in regards to both salary and draft picks)... Sure why not, another shot at a franchise QB is a good thing.

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“Josh Rosen underachieved while at Penn state and he was a coach killer with Dallas” — Charlie Casserly

Underrated comment here!!!!
Literally laughed out loud

In comment 14325575 USAF NYG Fan said:

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I know that's a different mindset than most here but Rosen needs a mentor more than any of the other options out there. Learn not only how to read defenses but how to handle the NY media. In fact, unless it's someone like Russel Wilson, which it won't be, whoever they get will likely need to sit behind Eli Manning for a year. Eli will do it because he's got too much class not too. Hell, he would do it without even knowing he is doing it. He's always helped his backups and every player around him. Unless they make some amazing moves this off-season, they will not improve much this year. The OL still might just be average at this point by adding Zeitler and there is NOBODY to fear on defense right now.

Rosen to the NYG is unlikely, but, having said that...

Why would Rosen need a mentor more than any of the other options out there? Did Eli need a mentor to succeed? Did Simms?

And couldn't the Giants' QB coach and QB-Guru HC help Rosen read defenses?

Isn't it also the job of Pat and the Giants' media dept. to help Rosen with the media?

I'm also not as sure as you are that Eli would be cool with mentoring the guy the Giants brought in to take his job (and I wouldn't blame him) but even if I'm wrong about that, why would a team under cap constraints pay Eli $23M to be a mentor?

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We never wanted him to begin with lol. There is a certain contingent on BBI that would wish it were otherwise though haha.

Thats the last thing his fan base here wants to hear. Duck.

In comment 14325533 Bramton1 said:

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In comment 14325479 SterlingArcher said: Quote: dumped. What is wrong with this guy? I've been asking the same question. The answer always seems to be that Rosen is not a good fit for the new coach's offensive system. Yet no one has answered why the Cardinals would be so willing to hire a new coach whose offensive system is incompatible with the guy they drafted 11 months ago to be their franchise quarterback. This is why I want no part of Rosen.

We're talking the worst team in the league. Teams make daft decisions, or do about turns. The Cards got excited about Kliff Kingsbury, despite his record at Texas Tech, and they've bought into his vision. Rosen is a good passer, but not especially mobile and Kingsbury has convinced himself the Kyler Murray is a generational quarterback. I guess the Packers should never have traded for Brett Favre, as he must have been damaged goods if the Falcons didn't want him.

Did Rosen hire Casserly's company for their combine interview preparation last year? I trust nothing from that guy. I want Rosen because he is a gifted passer of the football. EXCEPTIONAL. We are in a position to steal him because of a perfect storm of circumstance. Cosell thought he was the best player in the draft last year. Unlike Casserly, I put weight in the remarks of Cosell. Arizona has a new coach that likes Murray. Rosen did not shine because he was on a HORRIBLE team. We can buy a young franchise guy low...He will cost us nothing in salary and has the most of upside of any QB in the last few years. His upside is Tom Brady. He is that gifted as a passer. Sy said give he would give up 6, I would too in heartbeat. He can be had for less... MAKE IT HAPPEN. Pennies on the dollar, we can get a franchise QB from the clearance rack because someone else is making a mistake.

NO!