Do we still want Josh Rosen

Casserly seems to be sticking his head out a bit too much lately. These comments on Rosen seem over the top and it seems like a lot of people who would have a better idea are disagreeing with him.

It almost seems like he's trying to get himself out there by being over the top lately. Not sure how accurate this stuff is.

If Rosen can be had for a 3rd, I would be super interested.

But I'd want them to do their homework, obviously - and ideally they'd have done most of it before last year's draft and should already know what he's about.

Never did, still don’t.

really give a shit what Casserly has to say.....

He'd be a great choice for us

I'd still be very interesting in Rosen. He is the QB I wanted last year.

2) If they're taking cues from Casserly it's worse than I thought

Charlie Casserly know about anything? He’s a hasbeen.

damn i guess the cards are screwed either way



yes, i still want rosen lmfao

just not with our 1st rounder

If he ends up being traded for that or less elsewhere in the league it will be frustrating.

For a 2nd and about $1.5M/year?

A risk? Sure, every trade/pick/FA is a risk but that is not a lot for a guy with his ability.

As far as criticism from Charley Casserly affecting my opinion...it makes me more confident.

who wanted him 2 days ago still do and those who didn't still don't

Some of the beat writers suggest we may not have wanted him last year due to his concussions and/or attitude. We will see.

I hope that Casserly continues to bash Rosen
Hopefully that will drive his price down

The 4 days between the OKLA pro day (3/13) and when Eli's cap deadline (3/17) will be telling.

I agree that Casserly input should be discounted. I just thought his statements would bring out a lot of discussion.

+1

I don't think he's shown he still is or isn't. It's him or Haskins I would think. Can't see DG passing on getting the next QB. I

But I just really believe that they wouldn’t have hired Kingsbury if he didn’t think he could make it work with Rosen. Look at the Cardinals roster. It’s terrible. I’m really thinking they are just tempting the Raiders to come on up #1, Gruden gets his guy, while they drop a few slots, still get a stud defender and a boatload of picks to fix the roster.

Again, I’d love to take a chance on Rosen, but I don’t think that’s the Cardinals plan, ultimately

In comment 14325123 Archer said:

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I hope that Casserly continues to bash Rosen Hopefully that will drive his price down

He’s not driving his price down at all. He stated that he would be the first qb taken if he was drafted this year...??

In comment 14325132 Saos1n said:

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But I just really believe that they wouldn’t have hired Kingsbury if he didn’t think he could make it work with Rosen. Look at the Cardinals roster. It’s terrible. I’m really thinking they are just tempting the Raiders to come on up #1, Gruden gets his guy, while they drop a few slots, still get a stud defender and a boatload of picks to fix the roster. Again, I’d love to take a chance on Rosen, but I don’t think that’s the Cardinals plan, ultimately

That's possible but it wasn't certain Murray wouldn't be playing baseball. That he's committed to football changes things. I think Arizona is going to take Murray but what do I know.

What does that say???

Pass

is not in the picture for the Giants, now or in the future . MO.

In comment 14325145 JohnB said:

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What does that say??? Pass

this is the worst argument fucking ever.

Why cant people see that they could be getting rid of rosen BECAUSE THEY LIKE MURRAY BETTER FOR THEIR SCHEME.

i dont understand how people cant simply grasp this

opinion is irrelevant.

Never wanted the guy.

and don't expect to ever want him.

Why
Would prefer Tua Herbert and Fromm

His oline.

In comment 14325148 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 14325145 JohnB said: Quote: What does that say??? Pass this is the worst argument fucking ever. Why cant people see that they could be getting rid of rosen BECAUSE THEY LIKE MURRAY BETTER FOR THEIR SCHEME. i dont understand how people cant simply grasp this

I think there’s a pretty wide middle ground here. I’m skeptical of why they are willing to dump him, regardless of how they may prefer Murray. That’s a whole lot of faith to put in a new coach, possibly being wrong about 2 QBs in the same offseason.

I like Rosen the player. Whether he fits in NY is another story, and why I’m hesitant.

In comment 14325116 Go Terps said:

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If he ends up being traded for that or less elsewhere in the league it will be frustrating.

+1

However at right price solves the QB for the future issue and a year of NFL experience and playing time. Who knows what the Giants saw in him last year or not. As people have said, signing him makes Eli expendable I guess so to speak. Not for our 6th but I would tempted by our 2nd.

Our investment in Rosen would basically be what we trade for him, because his cap hit for 2019 is going to be lower than what we just gave Spencer Pulley. Here's the scenario:

1. Trade for Rosen
2. Cut Eli before 3/17
3. Start Rosen in 2019

Worst case scenario (Rosen plays poorly and is all the terrible things he's rumored to be): gain $15M in cap space, in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft

Best case scenario: Rosen plays well, we've gained $15M in cap space, we have Rosen for another 2 years at $2M per, and we don't have to draft a QB in 2020.

Actual scenario that's going to happen: Eli is the QB, he's paid $23M in 2019, and we are in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft.

The "actual scenario" is worse than the "worst case scenario". What does that tell you about how things are being run?

Yes.

If you did, you wouldn't be making fun of him because he's an older gentleman.

What he did say, was if Josh Rosen got his act together, he'd be the #1 pick in this draft and possibly last years as well.

He said, he has all the talent in the world. Casserly was actually trying to help him...

Far from being senile, like so many have made him out to be.

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“Josh Rosen underachieved while at Penn state and he was a coach killer with Dallas”

— Charlie Casserly

Then hell no!

Eli would have to be cut. Under no circumstance would it be ok to have both on the roster.

...if you got SB and then Rosen a year later, that's two premium players that were rated at the top of the draft. And we'd have them both.

And that would be a steal.

I'd offer anything but a first rounder...........

In comment 14325186 sxdxca said:

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If you did, you wouldn't be making fun of him because he's an older gentleman. What he did say, was if Josh Rosen got his act together, he'd be the #1 pick in this draft and possibly last years as well. He said, he has all the talent in the world. Casserly was actually trying to help him... Far from being senile, like so many have made him out to be.

I admit that I didn’t listen to Casserly. However, the fact that Casserly said IF means that he has all the talent but doesn’t apply himself yet. He can mature more and become a franchise quarterback or maybe not. I wanted to solicit inputs from BBI. I did not express my opinion about Rosen in my OP.

Nope

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In comment 14325176 Go Terps said:

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Our investment in Rosen would basically be what we trade for him, because his cap hit for 2019 is going to be lower than what we just gave Spencer Pulley. Here's the scenario: 1. Trade for Rosen 2. Cut Eli before 3/17 3. Start Rosen in 2019 Worst case scenario (Rosen plays poorly and is all the terrible things he's rumored to be): gain $15M in cap space, in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft Best case scenario: Rosen plays well, we've gained $15M in cap space, we have Rosen for another 2 years at $2M per, and we don't have to draft a QB in 2020. Actual scenario that's going to happen: Eli is the QB, he's paid $23M in 2019, and we are in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft. The "actual scenario" is worse than the "worst case scenario". What does that tell you about how things are being run?

Sign me up for this scenario.

on any QB that you expect to start is that if he doesn't turn out to be the right guy, there are no "safe, cheap moves".

Why? Because you don't plunk a guy in as a starter and give him one season and then cut bait normally. So that "low risk" move, now becomes a two-year or more investment in time.

Just look at Kirk Cousins for the Redskins. He was cheap, and low risk. He also was part of a team that treaded water and eventually forced them to make a bigger splash for a vet QB.

Brainer to me. Best qb in last years draft for probably a 2nd rounder. Giants would be stupid not to do that if he is indeed available.

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Because you don't plunk a guy in as a starter and give him one season and then cut bait normally.

Why can't the Giants do that with Rosen if they trade for him and he's a disaster?

In comment 14325176 Go Terps said:

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Our investment in Rosen would basically be what we trade for him, because his cap hit for 2019 is going to be lower than what we just gave Spencer Pulley. Here's the scenario: 1. Trade for Rosen 2. Cut Eli before 3/17 3. Start Rosen in 2019 Worst case scenario (Rosen plays poorly and is all the terrible things he's rumored to be): gain $15M in cap space, in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft Best case scenario: Rosen plays well, we've gained $15M in cap space, we have Rosen for another 2 years at $2M per, and we don't have to draft a QB in 2020. Actual scenario that's going to happen: Eli is the QB, he's paid $23M in 2019, and we are in position to draft a QB in 2020 draft. The "actual scenario" is worse than the "worst case scenario". What does that tell you about how things are being run?

Plus a million

certainly could, but it isn't what normally happens:

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Why can't the Giants do that with Rosen if they trade for him and he's a disaster?

Better question is what if they trade for him and he's just average and then ends up not developing. What if he becomes a Kirk Cousins/Derek Carr/Andy Dalton type QB?