But it impacts the Giants as Ju'Wuan James set the bar with the RT market. For those clamoring for Daryl Williams, he will be in the same neighborhood. From yesterday's thread, Ju'Wuan James highest paid RT.
Former Vikings DT Sheldon Richardson intends to sign a three-year deal with the Cleveland Browns when free agency opens Wednesday, a source tells ESPN.
Clevelands opening-day front four now expected to be DE Myles Garrett, DT Larry Ogunjobi, Richardson and DE Emmanuel Ogbah.
RE: Since it happened overnight, it might be overlooked by some.
But it impacts the Giants as Ju'Wuan James set the bar with the RT market. For those clamoring for Daryl Williams, he will be in the same neighborhood. From yesterday's thread, Ju'Wuan James highest paid RT.
Who did JuWuan James sign with?
RE: RE: Since it happened overnight, it might be overlooked by some.
But it impacts the Giants as Ju'Wuan James set the bar with the RT market. For those clamoring for Daryl Williams, he will be in the same neighborhood. From yesterday's thread, Ju'Wuan James highest paid RT.
Solid moves thus far for them. They still need to augment their OL. On paper, theyve improved.
Yah know, if they land Bell, as the reports say they might, and improve the OL in the draft, they kind of have an 06 Giants feel as far as trejectory goes. I know people here have mixed feelings on the Jets, and obviously I bleed blue, but I root for NY teams as long as my teams arent playing them, itd be nice to see that franchise start to turn in around.
RE: Since it happened overnight, it might be overlooked by some.
But it impacts the Giants as Ju'Wuan James set the bar with the RT market. For those clamoring for Daryl Williams, he will be in the same neighborhood. From yesterday's thread, Ju'Wuan James highest paid RT.
Is DG prepared to pay Williams in the neighborhood of 4 years, $52 million of which $32 mil is guaranteed? Thats what James got.
RE: RE: Since it happened overnight, it might be overlooked by some.
But it impacts the Giants as Ju'Wuan James set the bar with the RT market. For those clamoring for Daryl Williams, he will be in the same neighborhood. From yesterday's thread, Ju'Wuan James highest paid RT.
Is DG prepared to pay Williams in the neighborhood of 4 years, $52 million of which $32 mil is guaranteed? Thats what James got.
Jets trying to fill every hole with top end free agency feels like a disaster waiting to happen; at least for their sake Darnold will be cheap for the next 3 years so a lot of these big money contracts can play out their guaranteed portion prior to them needing to pay the QB so that when that time comes they can be released.
But it impacts the Giants as Ju'Wuan James set the bar with the RT market. For those clamoring for Daryl Williams, he will be in the same neighborhood. From yesterday's thread, Ju'Wuan James highest paid RT.
Is DG prepared to pay Williams in the neighborhood of 4 years, $52 million of which $32 mil is guaranteed? Thats what James got.
Who knows what DG's plan is for RT. But for those that want it fixed in FA and don't want an old veteran placeholder such as Veldheer than they need to expect DG to pay market rate. DG was killed last year for making Solder the highest paid. I suspect that if DG lands Daryl Williams, he be killed for having 2 high paid OTs.
The other option is to realize that while ER is a premium position, not all ER are in D. Law compensation territory. There are plenty that are in the $10-$15M/yr. When people realize that top OL are now being compensated the same, then it makes sense to consider a prospect like Jonah Williams at 6 to lock down the right side for 2 years and taking over LT pushing Solder off the roster. It isn't sustainable to pay your OL with top OL salaries (keep in mind that Zeitler has 3 years of top salaries on the books).
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The #Packers are expected to bring in a huge addition, bringing in former #Ravens edge rusher Za'Darius Smith, sources say. They tried to trade for him a few years ago, are in prime position to sign him now.
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The #Packers are expected to bring in a huge addition, bringing in former #Ravens edge rusher Za'Darius Smith, sources say. They tried to trade for him a few years ago, are in prime position to sign him now.
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are playing this smart. They aren't winning it all this year. Cap should be used to fill holes with smart cap savvy moves and gear up for 2020 when Eli is off the books. Remmers, Deone Buchannon both make sense as buy low candidates at positions of need with upside.
It is what it is. A lot of FA $ on Wednesday will be consumed by the first wave of players.
A few teams spending big like the jets is risky in that they were no where near a playoff team. Similar with Washington.
The Packers have Rogers and it makes a ton of sense. It's very surprising only that they are usually pretty quiet during FA. KC has to spend, they can win now.
The Raiders are making a splash for Vegas which also makes financial sense and they have so many early picks this year they are in a different position.
Come to think of it, outside of Solder, the only notable players Gettleman has brought to the roster where via trade. Ogletree and Zieter were trade.
Lots of the players Gettleman brought on were cut by other teams and those don't come with any comp pick strings attached. Additionally, if anyone signs those players off our roster they actually count in our favor for the comp pick formula. New England used to do this. So if any of Brown, Jernigan, Wynn, Mauro are signed I believe they would help Giants in that regard.
With the "No Guts No Glory" comment, you have to wonder if the Giants move this year is trade for QB of future. In draft or elsewise.
are playing this smart. They aren't winning it all this year. Cap should be used to fill holes with smart cap savvy moves and gear up for 2020 when Eli is off the books. Remmers, Deone Buchannon both make sense as buy low candidates at positions of need with upside.
but whats the direction? Are we trying to be competitive or rebuilding? If the idea is to penny pinch with an over the hill vet QB (and I love Eli). That doesn't make sense because we haven't got better over all as a team and our defense is not competitive enough to win in the NFL.
So if we don't plan on getting our future QB in this draft we better be bad enough next year to be in position to get our future QB.
I am not a proponent of hedging both positions. If we win 6-7 games next year we wont be in a position to draft the top QB's and we aren't good enough to make the playoffs...sounds like a pretty sh*tty position to be in with no future QB.
are playing this smart. They aren't winning it all this year. Cap should be used to fill holes with smart cap savvy moves and gear up for 2020 when Eli is off the books. Remmers, Deone Buchannon both make sense as buy low candidates at positions of need with upside.
but whats the direction? Are we trying to be competitive or rebuilding? If the idea is to penny pinch with an over the hill vet QB (and I love Eli). That doesn't make sense because we haven't got better over all as a team and our defense is not competitive enough to win in the NFL.
So if we don't plan on getting our future QB in this draft we better be bad enough next year to be in position to get our future QB.
I am not a proponent of hedging both positions. If we win 6-7 games next year we wont be in a position to draft the top QB's and we aren't good enough to make the playoffs...sounds like a pretty sh*tty position to be in with no future QB.
I think as we go on here its being revealed what the plan is. Like it or not, the NYG appear to be punting on 2019 by looking to bottom out. God help us if Beckham is still here for the ride.
Za'Darius Smith's deal with the Packers will come in over $16M a year.
That's ridiculous. Now Preston Smith will want that money
Not sure what people expected these guys to sign for. Pass rushers get paid and Mack set the bar extremely high this year. These guys were all going to approach it. The safety and inside linebacker salaries have been a little surprising but nothing shocking about what Flowers and Smith received.
are playing this smart. They aren't winning it all this year. Cap should be used to fill holes with smart cap savvy moves and gear up for 2020 when Eli is off the books. Remmers, Deone Buchannon both make sense as buy low candidates at positions of need with upside.
but whats the direction? Are we trying to be competitive or rebuilding? If the idea is to penny pinch with an over the hill vet QB (and I love Eli). That doesn't make sense because we haven't got better over all as a team and our defense is not competitive enough to win in the NFL.
So if we don't plan on getting our future QB in this draft we better be bad enough next year to be in position to get our future QB.
I am not a proponent of hedging both positions. If we win 6-7 games next year we wont be in a position to draft the top QB's and we aren't good enough to make the playoffs...sounds like a pretty sh*tty position to be in with no future QB.
The only thing worse than not having a QB is being stuck with a QB who sucks. If they don't like Haskins or Murray, taking one would be a disaster.
They need to fill out the roster. They have holes at FS, SS, CB, ILB, RT, and those are just starters. Get quality vets on the cheap, draft smart, and make your move for a QB when there's a guy you want.
I'm completely on board with that plan but OBJ should be traded for pick(s) and Eli needs to be told this is his swan song and we aren't trying to win this year.
You can't not address QB this year and win 7 games...you just can't. Because then Eli is gone and we have no future QB. If the plan is to not sign anyone this year collect future assets and tank for one of the top QB's next year I am on board with that plan.
Have the OFF and DEF line's ready to go when we can add a top QB next year and I will back that plan.
But they can't sell us on making the playoffs with Eli...sorry I wont buy that.
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don't overpay these guys. the giants window is not this year. it's still 2-3 years away.
build through the draft, master the comp pick formula, use the second tier of free agency (golden and buchanon), and get the cap under control
Agreed since there actually is a nice crop of second tier guys this year. There are some years where the second tier are career special teams/depth players, but you have players this year who might be reclamation projects although they have contributed in the past and are young enough to turn it around.
If DG had signed any of the deals so far they'd be called Vernon II
the waiting strategy to get this year's 1 year / 7m deal for Honey Badger is a good play. I'd have no issue signing guys to bigger deals than that too if warranted, but I think spreading it around to multiple players is a good learning from last year where their only starter level signing was Solder.
All those former Cardinals who need to rebuild their stock are still out there. As are 2 RT's who Gettleman signed and have connections to the coaching staff. As are a bunch of edge rushers.
anything this should make people "happy" that the Giants clearly realize this team isn't close and it will take a few years/multiple drafts. Next off-season should look a lot different. Eli gone, 2018 +2019 draft crops settling in and 2020 draft class/FA's.
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3/12/19, 10:02 AM
Preston Smith and Za'Darius Smith markets were both strong. Proved too rich for Giants. Za'Darius is signing with Packers and Giants are now out on Preston, per source. Barring any last-second change their search for a pass rusher will continue elsewhere
Is wait out the crazy wave here and bring in a bunch of cheaper JAGs on short deals while we look to draft their long term replacements over the next 2 years. It sucks to hear, but DGs gonna be dumpster diving for scraps.
The only big name FA I think who is in play is the Carolina RT.
RE: I give Gettleman credit for sitting this lunacy out
Mike Mitchell played well last year and should be cheap. He played for DG in Carolina and PFF graded him out really well last year. Antoine Bethea didn't play great in AZ but he still made like 100 tackles. Clinton-Dix, Tre Boston, and Pierre Desir are likely going to be more expensive but they are still out there. Mike Adams and Kurt Coleman both out there as well.
Daryl Williams is still the most desirable player out there IMO. OL tend to be safer investments, he's young, DG has familiarity, the injury and fact that he's a RT should keep him from getting the crazy money.
and we aren't actually interested. Decent player when healthy, but that's getting rarer. Definitely not worth $6M+ per season unless its a 1 year deal.
And I agree with those saying DG is smart to sit this out. Very few contracts that I've seen so far that aren't significant overpays. I like the Flowers for $16-17M per, but not much beyond that.
The good thing about Z Smith and these other deals for edge rushers is that the price tag for DeMarcus Lawrence keeps rising.
And they've done so in a big way. Have to say I'm ecstatic at their moves...that cap room that they sat on last season had to be used eventually. I'm just glad they're going about things the right way. Young, hungry players totally in their primes. That will give you great value throughout the full extent of their contracts
Jets trying to fill every hole with top end free agency feels like a disaster waiting to happen; at least for their sake Darnold will be cheap for the next 3 years so a lot of these big money contracts can play out their guaranteed portion prior to them needing to pay the QB so that when that time comes they can be released.
We've sat on that cap room for a while, we had to do something. Good players are out there, the exact players you need to upgrade your team...you need to sign them. If they end up injury plagued or not giving you the effort or performance you expect due to complacency then so be it, but Barr and Mosley are top talents, 8 pro bowls between them...I have faith they'll keep up their high level of play
To two linebackers who arent pass rushers and of course fanofthejets returns to tell us how great the Jets are. Why are you on this site?
Did you watch Barr at UCLA? He can absolutely rush the passer. Besides Barr fits in very well with a Gregg Williams defense because of his overall versatility. The move makes all the sense in the world
This really improved our defense. But you'd better improve the defense with all the cap space we've hoarded for a while.
To two linebackers who arent pass rushers and of course fanofthejets returns to tell us how great the Jets are. Why are you on this site?
Did you watch Barr at UCLA? He can absolutely rush the passer. Besides Barr fits in very well with a Gregg Williams defense because of his overall versatility. The move makes all the sense in the world
This really improved our defense. But you'd better improve the defense with all the cap space we've hoarded for a while.
Its easy to hoard cap space when you dont have a franchise QB and you draft poorly and rarely re-sign your draft picks. The signings of Barr and Mosley have proven that the Jets missed again on Darron Lee.
I wouldn't expect us to do much of anything until the teams with GMs on the hotseat and contender's plugging holes punch themselves out.
If the plan is to protect the pick I'd expect they sign Remmers for RT; cut players don't count in the formula irregardless of how much you spend for them.
They are different than us as they have their Franchise QB still in his prime and they have WR's, TE and a decent Oline.. Defensively they needed a lot of help and now can really get after the QB.
Its easy to hoard cap space when you dont have a franchise QB and you draft poorly and rarely re-sign your draft picks. The signings of Barr and Mosley have proven that the Jets missed again on Darron Lee.
Crowder signing doesn't reflect well on Enunwa either. Gave him a lot of money last season (4 yrs/$36M) to basically fill the slot WR role Crowder will not play. Though it's a massively backloaded deal and I wouldn't be surprised if they cut him next offseason.
They are different than us as they have their Franchise QB still in his prime and they have WR's, TE and a decent Oline.. Defensively they needed a lot of help and now can really get after the QB.
Rodgers is only like 2 years younger than Eli. He was in the draft after Eli.
To two linebackers who arent pass rushers and of course fanofthejets returns to tell us how great the Jets are. Why are you on this site?
Did you watch Barr at UCLA? He can absolutely rush the passer. Besides Barr fits in very well with a Gregg Williams defense because of his overall versatility. The move makes all the sense in the world
This really improved our defense. But you'd better improve the defense with all the cap space we've hoarded for a while.
Its easy to hoard cap space when you dont have a franchise QB and you draft poorly and rarely re-sign your draft picks. The signings of Barr and Mosley have proven that the Jets missed again on Darron Lee.
You've drafted even worse though. But yes you're right. Lee has been meh. Wouldn't call him bad but somebody who has under performed and someone gregg williams apparently has no use for
I wouldn't expect us to do much of anything until the teams with GMs on the hotseat and contender's plugging holes punch themselves out.
If the plan is to protect the pick I'd expect they sign Remmers for RT; cut players don't count in the formula irregardless of how much you spend for them.
Agreed. That would make players like Remmers, Sendejo, etc more likely targets. I think its becoming more obvious that the Giants rumored interest in Fromm is true. If they are targeting Fromm then saving cap room for next year makes sense while accumulating assets in order to trade up if necessary.
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The #Packers are signing LB Preston Smith to a 4-year deal worth a base value of $52M, source said. He gets $16M to sign. He gets $27.5M over the first two years.
I wouldn't expect us to do much of anything until the teams with GMs on the hotseat and contender's plugging holes punch themselves out.
If the plan is to protect the pick I'd expect they sign Remmers for RT; cut players don't count in the formula irregardless of how much you spend for them.
I believe there is also a limit on what cancels out what so that a 7th Round comp can't undo a 3rd.
Jwaun James set the new high AAV for RT at 12.7m, hopefully Williams
To two linebackers who arent pass rushers and of course fanofthejets returns to tell us how great the Jets are. Why are you on this site?
Did you watch Barr at UCLA? He can absolutely rush the passer. Besides Barr fits in very well with a Gregg Williams defense because of his overall versatility. The move makes all the sense in the world
This really improved our defense. But you'd better improve the defense with all the cap space we've hoarded for a while.
Its easy to hoard cap space when you dont have a franchise QB and you draft poorly and rarely re-sign your draft picks. The signings of Barr and Mosley have proven that the Jets missed again on Darron Lee.
You've drafted even worse though. But yes you're right. Lee has been meh. Wouldn't call him bad but somebody who has under performed and someone gregg williams apparently has no use for
Up until last year they did draft poorly which is why the roster is riddled with holes but the Giants two superstars in Barkley and Beckham.
Will the Thrill Hill is available. IDK who they are going to wind up with, at this point. The Packers spending on free agency, that is interesting. That is a wind of change for them, philosophically.
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The #Packers are signing LB Preston Smith to a 4-year deal worth a base value of $52M, source said. He gets $16M to sign. He gets $27.5M over the first two years.
That's actually not a bad deal for the Pack. Maybe a slight overpay, as is expected in FA, but not crazy like some of these other deals.
To two linebackers who arent pass rushers and of course fanofthejets returns to tell us how great the Jets are. Why are you on this site?
Did you watch Barr at UCLA? He can absolutely rush the passer. Besides Barr fits in very well with a Gregg Williams defense because of his overall versatility. The move makes all the sense in the world
This really improved our defense. But you'd better improve the defense with all the cap space we've hoarded for a while.
Its easy to hoard cap space when you dont have a franchise QB and you draft poorly and rarely re-sign your draft picks. The signings of Barr and Mosley have proven that the Jets missed again on Darron Lee.
You've drafted even worse though. But yes you're right. Lee has been meh. Wouldn't call him bad but somebody who has under performed and someone gregg williams apparently has no use for
Up until last year they did draft poorly which is why the roster is riddled with holes but the Giants two superstars in Barkley and Beckham.
Beckham and Barkley got you 5-11 last year. Our teams both have holes but I'd take our future over yours
RE: RE: RE: If the plan is to protect LC's comp pick
I believe there is also a limit on what cancels out what so that a 7th Round comp can't undo a 3rd.
Thats true to a degree, but you can't sign more players in quantity than you lost. So a 7th round guy by himself won't cancel out a 3rd for Landon, but if the Giants sign 5 guys who comp out at 7th round level and only lose say 4 guys (Landon, Wynn, Lattimer & Brown) then they will lose the 3rd round pick. The more signing off cut guys they can do the better since they quality of the players they lost are so low they likely wont have a large number of qualified free agents lost.
To two linebackers who arent pass rushers and of course fanofthejets returns to tell us how great the Jets are. Why are you on this site?
Did you watch Barr at UCLA? He can absolutely rush the passer. Besides Barr fits in very well with a Gregg Williams defense because of his overall versatility. The move makes all the sense in the world
This really improved our defense. But you'd better improve the defense with all the cap space we've hoarded for a while.
Its easy to hoard cap space when you dont have a franchise QB and you draft poorly and rarely re-sign your draft picks. The signings of Barr and Mosley have proven that the Jets missed again on Darron Lee.
You've drafted even worse though. But yes you're right. Lee has been meh. Wouldn't call him bad but somebody who has under performed and someone gregg williams apparently has no use for
Up until last year they did draft poorly which is why the roster is riddled with holes but the Giants two superstars in Barkley and Beckham.
Beckham and Barkley got you 5-11 last year. Our teams both have holes but I'd take our future over yours
Then go back to the Jets board. I would rather have the Giants as Beckham and Barkley are better than anybody on the Jets roster currently.
To two linebackers who arent pass rushers and of course fanofthejets returns to tell us how great the Jets are. Why are you on this site?
Did you watch Barr at UCLA? He can absolutely rush the passer. Besides Barr fits in very well with a Gregg Williams defense because of his overall versatility. The move makes all the sense in the world
This really improved our defense. But you'd better improve the defense with all the cap space we've hoarded for a while.
Its easy to hoard cap space when you dont have a franchise QB and you draft poorly and rarely re-sign your draft picks. The signings of Barr and Mosley have proven that the Jets missed again on Darron Lee.
You've drafted even worse though. But yes you're right. Lee has been meh. Wouldn't call him bad but somebody who has under performed and someone gregg williams apparently has no use for
Up until last year they did draft poorly which is why the roster is riddled with holes but the Giants two superstars in Barkley and Beckham.
Beckham and Barkley got you 5-11 last year. Our teams both have holes but I'd take our future over yours
Then go back to the Jets board. I would rather have the Giants as Beckham and Barkley are better than anybody on the Jets roster currently.
I wouldn't get too attached to Beckham, and frankly dealing him may net a return that the Giants can really build around and fill a ton of holes with. Especially on D
Packers are giving former Bears safety Adrian Amos a 4-year, $37 million deal that includes $14 million in year one and $21 million in first two years of deal, per source.
posting on Giants board because they spent a bunch of money this year.
So we were supposed to just not do anything with the 2nd most cap space in the league? With a QB still on his rookie contract? They're doing what they're supposed to be doing
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The #Packers are signing LB Preston Smith to a 4-year deal worth a base value of $52M, source said. He gets $16M to sign. He gets $27.5M over the first two years.
For Preston Smith? He disappeared for weeks at a time on the Skins. Decent against setting the edge. Would get to the QB occasionally. No thanks. Not at that price.
posting on Giants board because they spent a bunch of money this year.
So we were supposed to just not do anything with the 2nd most cap space in the league? With a QB still on his rookie contract? They're doing what they're supposed to be doing
They should definitely be aggressive in FA. Still don't want to be stupid with your money (Crowder) or overpay too significantly (Mosley). The Osemele trade was a good low risk move that will help immensely if he bounces back.
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The #Packers are signing LB Preston Smith to a 4-year deal worth a base value of $52M, source said. He gets $16M to sign. He gets $27.5M over the first two years.
For Preston Smith? He disappeared for weeks at a time on the Skins. Decent against setting the edge. Would get to the QB occasionally. No thanks. Not at that price.
It's like the Snacks deal with inflation. Strong on the edge and against the run, but you're not going to get much pass rush. If he could rush the passer, he'd be getting $4-5M more per year.
I wouldn't be surprised if Packer fans prefer this deal over the Z Smith deal in 2-3 years, just like most Giants fans viewed the Snacks deal as a steal and Vernon's deal as a bust.
posting on Giants board because they spent a bunch of money this year.
So we were supposed to just not do anything with the 2nd most cap space in the league? With a QB still on his rookie contract? They're doing what they're supposed to be doing
They should definitely be aggressive in FA. Still don't want to be stupid with your money (Crowder) or overpay too significantly (Mosley). The Osemele trade was a good low risk move that will help immensely if he bounces back.
Well time will tell regarding how these guys produce relative to what they're getting paid, and to their counterparts. To me they were necessary additions. Crowder is a very smart, savvy receiver. He creates separation and has good hands, entering his prime. Just what Darnold needs right now and we're paying him...the going rate really. Now if he's shelved for 1/2 the year with hammy issues then yea it's gonna look bad
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Packers are giving former Broncos' OL Billy Turner a four-year, $28 million deal with a max value of $29.5, including $11 million in year one, per source.
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posting on Giants board because they spent a bunch of money this year.
So we were supposed to just not do anything with the 2nd most cap space in the league? With a QB still on his rookie contract? They're doing what they're supposed to be doing
They should definitely be aggressive in FA. Still don't want to be stupid with your money (Crowder) or overpay too significantly (Mosley). The Osemele trade was a good low risk move that will help immensely if he bounces back.
Well time will tell regarding how these guys produce relative to what they're getting paid, and to their counterparts. To me they were necessary additions. Crowder is a very smart, savvy receiver. He creates separation and has good hands, entering his prime. Just what Darnold needs right now and we're paying him...the going rate really. Now if he's shelved for 1/2 the year with hammy issues then yea it's gonna look bad
Whats your confidence level in your offensive line? It wasn't great last year right? I know you just got Osemele though.
posting on Giants board because they spent a bunch of money this year.
So we were supposed to just not do anything with the 2nd most cap space in the league? With a QB still on his rookie contract? They're doing what they're supposed to be doing
They should definitely be aggressive in FA. Still don't want to be stupid with your money (Crowder) or overpay too significantly (Mosley). The Osemele trade was a good low risk move that will help immensely if he bounces back.
Well time will tell regarding how these guys produce relative to what they're getting paid, and to their counterparts. To me they were necessary additions. Crowder is a very smart, savvy receiver. He creates separation and has good hands, entering his prime. Just what Darnold needs right now and we're paying him...the going rate really. Now if he's shelved for 1/2 the year with hammy issues then yea it's gonna look bad
Whats your confidence level in your offensive line? It wasn't great last year right? I know you just got Osemele though.
Still pretty low. I like the Osemele move but more is needed. They need a center to anchor it and the Spencer Long experiment was an abysmal failure (and even if he was healthy he's a bottom 3rd center). I really want Paradis and I'd like to trade out of 3 and use the resources obtained to draft another offensive lineman somewhere in rounds 1 or 2 (not the best draft for O-line but) but the line has not gotten enough attention from Mac. Last year especially it was horrid
Well time will tell regarding how these guys produce relative to what they're getting paid, and to their counterparts. To me they were necessary additions. Crowder is a very smart, savvy receiver. He creates separation and has good hands, entering his prime. Just what Darnold needs right now and we're paying him...the going rate really. Now if he's shelved for 1/2 the year with hammy issues then yea it's gonna look bad
Even healthy, Crowder's not that good. I'm not a Humphries fan, but for the same money I'd rather have him.
That said, if I was the Jets I would've just stuck with Enunwa and looked for an outside WR to complement him.
Sure they might have their franchise QB but they need a LT, G, #1 WR, C, DT, DE, RB, CB. Taking out the QBs the Giants roster is better than the Jets even after the Barr and Mosley signings. The Jets line is much worse than ours. Of course FOTJ is acting as if its a sure thing that the aging Osemele will not play as bad as he was last year. Its sad that he thinks that he can convince us that the Jets are a great team on the rise as if anyone here gives a shit about the Jets.
how insecure you must be to go troll on opposing team's fan site.
I wouldn't do it but I don't look down on them for coming here, it gives us something to unite against. I for one am kind of tired of hating on each other over our opinions about Eli. Welcome diversion IMO.
And they've done so in a big way. Have to say I'm ecstatic at their moves...that cap room that they sat on last season had to be used eventually. I'm just glad they're going about things the right way. Young, hungry players totally in their primes. That will give you great value throughout the full extent of their contracts
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Plot twist! LB Anthony Barr has decided to agree to terms to remain with the #Vikings, sources say. He will not be a member of the #Jets after all.
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Plot twist! LB Anthony Barr has decided to agree to terms to remain with the #Vikings, sources say. He will not be a member of the #Jets after all.
To two linebackers who arent pass rushers and of course fanofthejets returns to tell us how great the Jets are. Why are you on this site?
Did you watch Barr at UCLA? He can absolutely rush the passer. Besides Barr fits in very well with a Gregg Williams defense because of his overall versatility. The move makes all the sense in the world
This really improved our defense. But you'd better improve the defense with all the cap space we've hoarded for a while.
Its easy to hoard cap space when you dont have a franchise QB and you draft poorly and rarely re-sign your draft picks. The signings of Barr and Mosley have proven that the Jets missed again on Darron Lee.
You've drafted even worse though. But yes you're right. Lee has been meh. Wouldn't call him bad but somebody who has under performed and someone gregg williams apparently has no use for
Up until last year they did draft poorly which is why the roster is riddled with holes but the Giants two superstars in Barkley and Beckham.
Beckham and Barkley got you 5-11 last year. Our teams both have holes but I'd take our future over yours
Then go back to the Jets board. I would rather have the Giants as Beckham and Barkley are better than anybody on the Jets roster currently.
I wouldn't get too attached to Beckham, and frankly dealing him may net a return that the Giants can really build around and fill a ton of holes with. Especially on D
Barr came to his senses and stayed with Minny, and Crowder sucks. Massive waste of $$
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The #Lions are giving Trey Flowers a five-year, $90 million contract that includes $56M in guarantees, source said. $40M fully guaranteed at signing. #Patriots weren't going there. Big deal for Detroit's new big edge presence.
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The #Lions are giving Trey Flowers a five-year, $90 million contract that includes $56M in guarantees, source said. $40M fully guaranteed at signing. #Patriots weren't going there. Big deal for Detroit's new big edge presence.
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Meanwhile the #Ravens have been in discussing with RB Mark Ingram on a potential deal, which makes sense as hes parting ways with the #Saints. Theyre the favorites for Ingram.
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The #Bills have now given Josh Allen the follwing: C Mitch Morse, WRs John Brown and Cole Beasley, RB Frank Gore, TE Tyler Kroft, OT Ty Nsekhe and OL Spencer Long.
The Bills have spent a lot of money. Not sure I like all the pieces.
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The #Bills have now given Josh Allen the follwing: C Mitch Morse, WRs John Brown and Cole Beasley, RB Frank Gore, TE Tyler Kroft, OT Ty Nsekhe and OL Spencer Long.
The Bills have spent a lot of money. Not sure I like all the pieces.
Hate both WRs they signed, but 3 OL + solid 2-way TE + vet RB is a good way to help a young QB develop. From that perspective, I think they've done better than the Jets.
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The #Jets have given LeVeon Bell a deadline to decide if he is going to sign or not, per sources. Theyre not waiting forever.
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The #Bills have now given Josh Allen the follwing: C Mitch Morse, WRs John Brown and Cole Beasley, RB Frank Gore, TE Tyler Kroft, OT Ty Nsekhe and OL Spencer Long.
The Bills have spent a lot of money. Not sure I like all the pieces.
That list of names isn't exactly impressive, but the tweet is written in a way that seems like it's supposed to be. I don't imagine Josh Allen is thinking his prayers are answered because Frank Gore is in town.
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The #Bills have now given Josh Allen the follwing: C Mitch Morse, WRs John Brown and Cole Beasley, RB Frank Gore, TE Tyler Kroft, OT Ty Nsekhe and OL Spencer Long.
The Bills have spent a lot of money. Not sure I like all the pieces.
That list of names isn't exactly impressive, but the tweet is written in a way that seems like it's supposed to be. I don't imagine Josh Allen is thinking his prayers are answered because Frank Gore is in town.
Former Rams' OL Rodger Saffold intends to sign a four-year, $44 million deal that includes $22.5 million guaranteed with the Tennessee Titans, per source.
Source: Former #Broncos C Matt Paradis agreed to terms with the #Panthers on a 3-year deal worth $27.03M. Out of nowhere.
Bummer and a reasonable deal. Although I wasn't expecting the Giants to move on him after their commitment to Pio and trade for Zeitler. Would have made a hell of an interior for Barkley though.
Does the Paridis signing push Darryl Williams out the door?
Would seem so since Carolina started with a lot less room than us to begin with. Hopefully that and the Bills signing the guy from the Pats bodes well for us. If we can get Williams for anything close to the Jawuan James deal that would be awesome.
Replacing what was our biggest weakness last year through the first half of the season with 2 pro bowlers should conceivably make a very big difference.
Emphatically agree Eric, this may play out just like we want it to....
Solid moves thus far for them. They still need to augment their OL. On paper, theyve improved.
Thats one hell of a front 4
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Clevelands opening-day front four now expected to be DE Myles Garrett, DT Larry Ogunjobi, Richardson and DE Emmanuel Ogbah.
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But it impacts the Giants as Ju'Wuan James set the bar with the RT market. For those clamoring for Daryl Williams, he will be in the same neighborhood. From yesterday's thread, Ju'Wuan James highest paid RT.
Who did JuWuan James sign with?
4 year deal with Denver.
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Solid moves thus far for them. They still need to augment their OL. On paper, theyve improved.
Yah know, if they land Bell, as the reports say they might, and improve the OL in the draft, they kind of have an 06 Giants feel as far as trejectory goes. I know people here have mixed feelings on the Jets, and obviously I bleed blue, but I root for NY teams as long as my teams arent playing them, itd be nice to see that franchise start to turn in around.
Is DG prepared to pay Williams in the neighborhood of 4 years, $52 million of which $32 mil is guaranteed? Thats what James got.
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But it impacts the Giants as Ju'Wuan James set the bar with the RT market. For those clamoring for Daryl Williams, he will be in the same neighborhood. From yesterday's thread, Ju'Wuan James highest paid RT.
Is DG prepared to pay Williams in the neighborhood of 4 years, $52 million of which $32 mil is guaranteed? Thats what James got.
I dont think the guaranteed money is bad.
Also, rumors circulating about the Buccaneers selecting Devin white, who just lost Kwon Alexander.
Cardinals - Kyler Murray
49ers - Nick Bosa
Jets - Quinnen Williams
Raiders - Dwayne Haskins (Josh Allen?)
Buccaneers - Devin White
Giants - Josh Allen????
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But it impacts the Giants as Ju'Wuan James set the bar with the RT market. For those clamoring for Daryl Williams, he will be in the same neighborhood. From yesterday's thread, Ju'Wuan James highest paid RT.
Is DG prepared to pay Williams in the neighborhood of 4 years, $52 million of which $32 mil is guaranteed? Thats what James got.
Who knows what DG's plan is for RT. But for those that want it fixed in FA and don't want an old veteran placeholder such as Veldheer than they need to expect DG to pay market rate. DG was killed last year for making Solder the highest paid. I suspect that if DG lands Daryl Williams, he be killed for having 2 high paid OTs.
The other option is to realize that while ER is a premium position, not all ER are in D. Law compensation territory. There are plenty that are in the $10-$15M/yr. When people realize that top OL are now being compensated the same, then it makes sense to consider a prospect like Jonah Williams at 6 to lock down the right side for 2 years and taking over LT pushing Solder off the roster. It isn't sustainable to pay your OL with top OL salaries (keep in mind that Zeitler has 3 years of top salaries on the books).
Also, rumors circulating about the Buccaneers selecting Devin white, who just lost Kwon Alexander.
Cardinals - Kyler Murray
49ers - Nick Bosa
Jets - Quinnen Williams
Raiders - Dwayne Haskins (Josh Allen?)
Buccaneers - Devin White
Giants - Josh Allen????
Can never have enough pass rushers
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The #Packers are expected to bring in a huge addition, bringing in former #Ravens edge rusher Za'Darius Smith, sources say. They tried to trade for him a few years ago, are in prime position to sign him now.
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The money on this one will be interesting.
I wonder if DG inquired as thought here last week.
A few teams spending big like the jets is risky in that they were no where near a playoff team. Similar with Washington.
The Packers have Rogers and it makes a ton of sense. It's very surprising only that they are usually pretty quiet during FA. KC has to spend, they can win now.
The Raiders are making a splash for Vegas which also makes financial sense and they have so many early picks this year they are in a different position.
Come to think of it, outside of Solder, the only notable players Gettleman has brought to the roster where via trade. Ogletree and Zieter were trade.
Lots of the players Gettleman brought on were cut by other teams and those don't come with any comp pick strings attached. Additionally, if anyone signs those players off our roster they actually count in our favor for the comp pick formula. New England used to do this. So if any of Brown, Jernigan, Wynn, Mauro are signed I believe they would help Giants in that regard.
With the "No Guts No Glory" comment, you have to wonder if the Giants move this year is trade for QB of future. In draft or elsewise.
That's ridiculous. Now Preston Smith will want that money
but whats the direction? Are we trying to be competitive or rebuilding? If the idea is to penny pinch with an over the hill vet QB (and I love Eli). That doesn't make sense because we haven't got better over all as a team and our defense is not competitive enough to win in the NFL.
So if we don't plan on getting our future QB in this draft we better be bad enough next year to be in position to get our future QB.
I am not a proponent of hedging both positions. If we win 6-7 games next year we wont be in a position to draft the top QB's and we aren't good enough to make the playoffs...sounds like a pretty sh*tty position to be in with no future QB.
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are playing this smart. They aren't winning it all this year. Cap should be used to fill holes with smart cap savvy moves and gear up for 2020 when Eli is off the books. Remmers, Deone Buchannon both make sense as buy low candidates at positions of need with upside.
but whats the direction? Are we trying to be competitive or rebuilding? If the idea is to penny pinch with an over the hill vet QB (and I love Eli). That doesn't make sense because we haven't got better over all as a team and our defense is not competitive enough to win in the NFL.
So if we don't plan on getting our future QB in this draft we better be bad enough next year to be in position to get our future QB.
I am not a proponent of hedging both positions. If we win 6-7 games next year we wont be in a position to draft the top QB's and we aren't good enough to make the playoffs...sounds like a pretty sh*tty position to be in with no future QB.
I think as we go on here its being revealed what the plan is. Like it or not, the NYG appear to be punting on 2019 by looking to bottom out. God help us if Beckham is still here for the ride.
That's ridiculous. Now Preston Smith will want that money
Not sure what people expected these guys to sign for. Pass rushers get paid and Mack set the bar extremely high this year. These guys were all going to approach it. The safety and inside linebacker salaries have been a little surprising but nothing shocking about what Flowers and Smith received.
I just heard a rumor that Gruden may covert Murray of Oklahoma...
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are playing this smart. They aren't winning it all this year. Cap should be used to fill holes with smart cap savvy moves and gear up for 2020 when Eli is off the books. Remmers, Deone Buchannon both make sense as buy low candidates at positions of need with upside.
but whats the direction? Are we trying to be competitive or rebuilding? If the idea is to penny pinch with an over the hill vet QB (and I love Eli). That doesn't make sense because we haven't got better over all as a team and our defense is not competitive enough to win in the NFL.
So if we don't plan on getting our future QB in this draft we better be bad enough next year to be in position to get our future QB.
I am not a proponent of hedging both positions. If we win 6-7 games next year we wont be in a position to draft the top QB's and we aren't good enough to make the playoffs...sounds like a pretty sh*tty position to be in with no future QB.
The only thing worse than not having a QB is being stuck with a QB who sucks. If they don't like Haskins or Murray, taking one would be a disaster.
They need to fill out the roster. They have holes at FS, SS, CB, ILB, RT, and those are just starters. Get quality vets on the cheap, draft smart, and make your move for a QB when there's a guy you want.
build through the draft, master the comp pick formula, use the second tier of free agency (golden and buchanon), and get the cap under control
You can't not address QB this year and win 7 games...you just can't. Because then Eli is gone and we have no future QB. If the plan is to not sign anyone this year collect future assets and tank for one of the top QB's next year I am on board with that plan.
Have the OFF and DEF line's ready to go when we can add a top QB next year and I will back that plan.
But they can't sell us on making the playoffs with Eli...sorry I wont buy that.
In the mix for a mid-range safety (think Andrew Sendejo or something similar). Still looking at pass rushers (Preston Smith and Markus Golden among them) and will add a D-lineman. Offensive tackle still in play. #Giants
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still insist that the Raiders are taking a quarterback?
I just heard a rumor that Gruden may covert Murray of Oklahoma...
He cant do anything about it if Arizona does as well.
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Agreed. It might be that way all week!
build through the draft, master the comp pick formula, use the second tier of free agency (golden and buchanon), and get the cap under control
Agreed since there actually is a nice crop of second tier guys this year. There are some years where the second tier are career special teams/depth players, but you have players this year who might be reclamation projects although they have contributed in the past and are young enough to turn it around.
All those former Cardinals who need to rebuild their stock are still out there. As are 2 RT's who Gettleman signed and have connections to the coaching staff. As are a bunch of edge rushers.
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Preston Smith and Za'Darius Smith markets were both strong. Proved too rich for Giants. Za'Darius is signing with Packers and Giants are now out on Preston, per source. Barring any last-second change their search for a pass rusher will continue elsewhere
The only big name FA I think who is in play is the Carolina RT.
Agreed. Wait for the "second wave" of FAs next week.
Daryl Williams is still the most desirable player out there IMO. OL tend to be safer investments, he's young, DG has familiarity, the injury and fact that he's a RT should keep him from getting the crazy money.
And I agree with those saying DG is smart to sit this out. Very few contracts that I've seen so far that aren't significant overpays. I like the Flowers for $16-17M per, but not much beyond that.
The good thing about Z Smith and these other deals for edge rushers is that the price tag for DeMarcus Lawrence keeps rising.
I think a more glaring decision is not restructuring Zeitler or extending Eli. Those are clear cap saving moves this year to free up $$$.
I just say punt this FA roll that $$$ over to next year when Eli comes off and go for it then.
Thats one hell of a front 4
For all his yapping the guy is a monster. Plays with a motor that never stops. Max effort at all times unlike what Mo Wilkerson turned into
We've sat on that cap room for a while, we had to do something. Good players are out there, the exact players you need to upgrade your team...you need to sign them. If they end up injury plagued or not giving you the effort or performance you expect due to complacency then so be it, but Barr and Mosley are top talents, 8 pro bowls between them...I have faith they'll keep up their high level of play
Good, I am not a fan. Inconsistant
Barr can rush the passer. He's a better fit in a 3-4.
Im betting on them returning to the playoffs next year.
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They see him every day in practice. So maybe SP sees something there.
I was actually more surprised he decided to stay where he has "no chance" of starting barring injury. A lot of people were saying Miami.
Because he's been playing in a 4-3, which limits his pass rushing. In a 3-4, he should double that, at least.
Did you watch Barr at UCLA? He can absolutely rush the passer. Besides Barr fits in very well with a Gregg Williams defense because of his overall versatility. The move makes all the sense in the world
This really improved our defense. But you'd better improve the defense with all the cap space we've hoarded for a while.
I would take Golden and Daryl Williams and call it a day. Maybe add Tre Boston.
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they are really throwing around some coin today.
Well, shit
Theyre all in on Rodgers.
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To two linebackers who arent pass rushers and of course fanofthejets returns to tell us how great the Jets are. Why are you on this site?
Did you watch Barr at UCLA? He can absolutely rush the passer. Besides Barr fits in very well with a Gregg Williams defense because of his overall versatility. The move makes all the sense in the world
This really improved our defense. But you'd better improve the defense with all the cap space we've hoarded for a while.
Its easy to hoard cap space when you dont have a franchise QB and you draft poorly and rarely re-sign your draft picks. The signings of Barr and Mosley have proven that the Jets missed again on Darron Lee.
If the plan is to protect the pick I'd expect they sign Remmers for RT; cut players don't count in the formula irregardless of how much you spend for them.
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they are really throwing around some coin today.
Well, shit
Theyre all in on Rodgers.
They are different than us as they have their Franchise QB still in his prime and they have WR's, TE and a decent Oline.. Defensively they needed a lot of help and now can really get after the QB.
Its easy to hoard cap space when you dont have a franchise QB and you draft poorly and rarely re-sign your draft picks. The signings of Barr and Mosley have proven that the Jets missed again on Darron Lee.
Crowder signing doesn't reflect well on Enunwa either. Gave him a lot of money last season (4 yrs/$36M) to basically fill the slot WR role Crowder will not play. Though it's a massively backloaded deal and I wouldn't be surprised if they cut him next offseason.
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they are really throwing around some coin today.
Well, shit
Theyre all in on Rodgers.
They are different than us as they have their Franchise QB still in his prime and they have WR's, TE and a decent Oline.. Defensively they needed a lot of help and now can really get after the QB.
Rodgers is only like 2 years younger than Eli. He was in the draft after Eli.
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To two linebackers who arent pass rushers and of course fanofthejets returns to tell us how great the Jets are. Why are you on this site?
Did you watch Barr at UCLA? He can absolutely rush the passer. Besides Barr fits in very well with a Gregg Williams defense because of his overall versatility. The move makes all the sense in the world
This really improved our defense. But you'd better improve the defense with all the cap space we've hoarded for a while.
Its easy to hoard cap space when you dont have a franchise QB and you draft poorly and rarely re-sign your draft picks. The signings of Barr and Mosley have proven that the Jets missed again on Darron Lee.
You've drafted even worse though. But yes you're right. Lee has been meh. Wouldn't call him bad but somebody who has under performed and someone gregg williams apparently has no use for
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I wouldn't expect us to do much of anything until the teams with GMs on the hotseat and contender's plugging holes punch themselves out.
If the plan is to protect the pick I'd expect they sign Remmers for RT; cut players don't count in the formula irregardless of how much you spend for them.
Agreed. That would make players like Remmers, Sendejo, etc more likely targets. I think its becoming more obvious that the Giants rumored interest in Fromm is true. If they are targeting Fromm then saving cap room for next year makes sense while accumulating assets in order to trade up if necessary.
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The #Packers are signing LB Preston Smith to a 4-year deal worth a base value of $52M, source said. He gets $16M to sign. He gets $27.5M over the first two years.
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I wouldn't expect us to do much of anything until the teams with GMs on the hotseat and contender's plugging holes punch themselves out.
If the plan is to protect the pick I'd expect they sign Remmers for RT; cut players don't count in the formula irregardless of how much you spend for them.
I believe there is also a limit on what cancels out what so that a 7th Round comp can't undo a 3rd.
1 DE via semi big ticket purchase via FA
2 mid tier safety via FA
3 Buchanon via FA
paving the way for
Haskins in RD1
RT be it Risner or McGary in RD2
Remainder of the draft being defense heavy
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To two linebackers who arent pass rushers and of course fanofthejets returns to tell us how great the Jets are. Why are you on this site?
Did you watch Barr at UCLA? He can absolutely rush the passer. Besides Barr fits in very well with a Gregg Williams defense because of his overall versatility. The move makes all the sense in the world
This really improved our defense. But you'd better improve the defense with all the cap space we've hoarded for a while.
Its easy to hoard cap space when you dont have a franchise QB and you draft poorly and rarely re-sign your draft picks. The signings of Barr and Mosley have proven that the Jets missed again on Darron Lee.
You've drafted even worse though. But yes you're right. Lee has been meh. Wouldn't call him bad but somebody who has under performed and someone gregg williams apparently has no use for
Up until last year they did draft poorly which is why the roster is riddled with holes but the Giants two superstars in Barkley and Beckham.
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The #Packers are signing LB Preston Smith to a 4-year deal worth a base value of $52M, source said. He gets $16M to sign. He gets $27.5M over the first two years.
That's actually not a bad deal for the Pack. Maybe a slight overpay, as is expected in FA, but not crazy like some of these other deals.
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To two linebackers who arent pass rushers and of course fanofthejets returns to tell us how great the Jets are. Why are you on this site?
Did you watch Barr at UCLA? He can absolutely rush the passer. Besides Barr fits in very well with a Gregg Williams defense because of his overall versatility. The move makes all the sense in the world
This really improved our defense. But you'd better improve the defense with all the cap space we've hoarded for a while.
Its easy to hoard cap space when you dont have a franchise QB and you draft poorly and rarely re-sign your draft picks. The signings of Barr and Mosley have proven that the Jets missed again on Darron Lee.
You've drafted even worse though. But yes you're right. Lee has been meh. Wouldn't call him bad but somebody who has under performed and someone gregg williams apparently has no use for
Up until last year they did draft poorly which is why the roster is riddled with holes but the Giants two superstars in Barkley and Beckham.
Beckham and Barkley got you 5-11 last year. Our teams both have holes but I'd take our future over yours
I believe there is also a limit on what cancels out what so that a 7th Round comp can't undo a 3rd.
Thats true to a degree, but you can't sign more players in quantity than you lost. So a 7th round guy by himself won't cancel out a 3rd for Landon, but if the Giants sign 5 guys who comp out at 7th round level and only lose say 4 guys (Landon, Wynn, Lattimer & Brown) then they will lose the 3rd round pick. The more signing off cut guys they can do the better since they quality of the players they lost are so low they likely wont have a large number of qualified free agents lost.
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To two linebackers who arent pass rushers and of course fanofthejets returns to tell us how great the Jets are. Why are you on this site?
Did you watch Barr at UCLA? He can absolutely rush the passer. Besides Barr fits in very well with a Gregg Williams defense because of his overall versatility. The move makes all the sense in the world
This really improved our defense. But you'd better improve the defense with all the cap space we've hoarded for a while.
Its easy to hoard cap space when you dont have a franchise QB and you draft poorly and rarely re-sign your draft picks. The signings of Barr and Mosley have proven that the Jets missed again on Darron Lee.
You've drafted even worse though. But yes you're right. Lee has been meh. Wouldn't call him bad but somebody who has under performed and someone gregg williams apparently has no use for
Up until last year they did draft poorly which is why the roster is riddled with holes but the Giants two superstars in Barkley and Beckham.
Beckham and Barkley got you 5-11 last year. Our teams both have holes but I'd take our future over yours
Then go back to the Jets board. I would rather have the Giants as Beckham and Barkley are better than anybody on the Jets roster currently.
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To two linebackers who arent pass rushers and of course fanofthejets returns to tell us how great the Jets are. Why are you on this site?
Did you watch Barr at UCLA? He can absolutely rush the passer. Besides Barr fits in very well with a Gregg Williams defense because of his overall versatility. The move makes all the sense in the world
This really improved our defense. But you'd better improve the defense with all the cap space we've hoarded for a while.
Its easy to hoard cap space when you dont have a franchise QB and you draft poorly and rarely re-sign your draft picks. The signings of Barr and Mosley have proven that the Jets missed again on Darron Lee.
You've drafted even worse though. But yes you're right. Lee has been meh. Wouldn't call him bad but somebody who has under performed and someone gregg williams apparently has no use for
Up until last year they did draft poorly which is why the roster is riddled with holes but the Giants two superstars in Barkley and Beckham.
Beckham and Barkley got you 5-11 last year. Our teams both have holes but I'd take our future over yours
Then go back to the Jets board. I would rather have the Giants as Beckham and Barkley are better than anybody on the Jets roster currently.
I wouldn't get too attached to Beckham, and frankly dealing him may net a return that the Giants can really build around and fill a ton of holes with. Especially on D
It's like the 'Skins fans that used to post after their monster offseasons!
So we were supposed to just not do anything with the 2nd most cap space in the league? With a QB still on his rookie contract? They're doing what they're supposed to be doing
Very un-Packers like. They always seemed to be frugal to their own detriment.
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The #Packers are add on offense, too. Theyre signing versatile OL Billy Turner, source said.
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The #Packers are signing LB Preston Smith to a 4-year deal worth a base value of $52M, source said. He gets $16M to sign. He gets $27.5M over the first two years.
For Preston Smith? He disappeared for weeks at a time on the Skins. Decent against setting the edge. Would get to the QB occasionally. No thanks. Not at that price.
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So we were supposed to just not do anything with the 2nd most cap space in the league? With a QB still on his rookie contract? They're doing what they're supposed to be doing
They should definitely be aggressive in FA. Still don't want to be stupid with your money (Crowder) or overpay too significantly (Mosley). The Osemele trade was a good low risk move that will help immensely if he bounces back.
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The #Packers are signing LB Preston Smith to a 4-year deal worth a base value of $52M, source said. He gets $16M to sign. He gets $27.5M over the first two years.
For Preston Smith? He disappeared for weeks at a time on the Skins. Decent against setting the edge. Would get to the QB occasionally. No thanks. Not at that price.
It's like the Snacks deal with inflation. Strong on the edge and against the run, but you're not going to get much pass rush. If he could rush the passer, he'd be getting $4-5M more per year.
I wouldn't be surprised if Packer fans prefer this deal over the Z Smith deal in 2-3 years, just like most Giants fans viewed the Snacks deal as a steal and Vernon's deal as a bust.
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posting on Giants board because they spent a bunch of money this year.
So we were supposed to just not do anything with the 2nd most cap space in the league? With a QB still on his rookie contract? They're doing what they're supposed to be doing
They should definitely be aggressive in FA. Still don't want to be stupid with your money (Crowder) or overpay too significantly (Mosley). The Osemele trade was a good low risk move that will help immensely if he bounces back.
Well time will tell regarding how these guys produce relative to what they're getting paid, and to their counterparts. To me they were necessary additions. Crowder is a very smart, savvy receiver. He creates separation and has good hands, entering his prime. Just what Darnold needs right now and we're paying him...the going rate really. Now if he's shelved for 1/2 the year with hammy issues then yea it's gonna look bad
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Packers are giving former Broncos' OL Billy Turner a four-year, $28 million deal with a max value of $29.5, including $11 million in year one, per source.
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posting on Giants board because they spent a bunch of money this year.
So we were supposed to just not do anything with the 2nd most cap space in the league? With a QB still on his rookie contract? They're doing what they're supposed to be doing
They should definitely be aggressive in FA. Still don't want to be stupid with your money (Crowder) or overpay too significantly (Mosley). The Osemele trade was a good low risk move that will help immensely if he bounces back.
Well time will tell regarding how these guys produce relative to what they're getting paid, and to their counterparts. To me they were necessary additions. Crowder is a very smart, savvy receiver. He creates separation and has good hands, entering his prime. Just what Darnold needs right now and we're paying him...the going rate really. Now if he's shelved for 1/2 the year with hammy issues then yea it's gonna look bad
Whats your confidence level in your offensive line? It wasn't great last year right? I know you just got Osemele though.
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posting on Giants board because they spent a bunch of money this year.
So we were supposed to just not do anything with the 2nd most cap space in the league? With a QB still on his rookie contract? They're doing what they're supposed to be doing
They should definitely be aggressive in FA. Still don't want to be stupid with your money (Crowder) or overpay too significantly (Mosley). The Osemele trade was a good low risk move that will help immensely if he bounces back.
Well time will tell regarding how these guys produce relative to what they're getting paid, and to their counterparts. To me they were necessary additions. Crowder is a very smart, savvy receiver. He creates separation and has good hands, entering his prime. Just what Darnold needs right now and we're paying him...the going rate really. Now if he's shelved for 1/2 the year with hammy issues then yea it's gonna look bad
Whats your confidence level in your offensive line? It wasn't great last year right? I know you just got Osemele though.
Still pretty low. I like the Osemele move but more is needed. They need a center to anchor it and the Spencer Long experiment was an abysmal failure (and even if he was healthy he's a bottom 3rd center). I really want Paradis and I'd like to trade out of 3 and use the resources obtained to draft another offensive lineman somewhere in rounds 1 or 2 (not the best draft for O-line but) but the line has not gotten enough attention from Mac. Last year especially it was horrid
Well time will tell regarding how these guys produce relative to what they're getting paid, and to their counterparts. To me they were necessary additions. Crowder is a very smart, savvy receiver. He creates separation and has good hands, entering his prime. Just what Darnold needs right now and we're paying him...the going rate really. Now if he's shelved for 1/2 the year with hammy issues then yea it's gonna look bad
Even healthy, Crowder's not that good. I'm not a Humphries fan, but for the same money I'd rather have him.
That said, if I was the Jets I would've just stuck with Enunwa and looked for an outside WR to complement him.
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The Jets will suck
Happy picking 3rd again next year
Signals the end of Ingram in NO.
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Gonna let him tell you the team
Whatever team that is, they better have done their due diligence and make sure he is in shape!
That's not Antonio Brown, it's Antonio Bryant lol
lol your team just got punked.
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Plot twist! LB Anthony Barr has decided to agree to terms to remain with the #Vikings, sources say. He will not be a member of the #Jets after all.
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Plot twist! LB Anthony Barr has decided to agree to terms to remain with the #Vikings, sources say. He will not be a member of the #Jets after all.
Hahaha
I wish I could run a 4.2!
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To two linebackers who arent pass rushers and of course fanofthejets returns to tell us how great the Jets are. Why are you on this site?
Did you watch Barr at UCLA? He can absolutely rush the passer. Besides Barr fits in very well with a Gregg Williams defense because of his overall versatility. The move makes all the sense in the world
This really improved our defense. But you'd better improve the defense with all the cap space we've hoarded for a while.
Its easy to hoard cap space when you dont have a franchise QB and you draft poorly and rarely re-sign your draft picks. The signings of Barr and Mosley have proven that the Jets missed again on Darron Lee.
You've drafted even worse though. But yes you're right. Lee has been meh. Wouldn't call him bad but somebody who has under performed and someone gregg williams apparently has no use for
Up until last year they did draft poorly which is why the roster is riddled with holes but the Giants two superstars in Barkley and Beckham.
Beckham and Barkley got you 5-11 last year. Our teams both have holes but I'd take our future over yours
Then go back to the Jets board. I would rather have the Giants as Beckham and Barkley are better than anybody on the Jets roster currently.
I wouldn't get too attached to Beckham, and frankly dealing him may net a return that the Giants can really build around and fill a ton of holes with. Especially on D
Barr came to his senses and stayed with Minny, and Crowder sucks. Massive waste of $$
He was assumed all but gone there.
He was assumed all but gone there.
This surprises the hell out of me...i thought they were ready to run him out 2 years ago!
Doubt anyone else is willing to give him anything close to $17M per season.
He was assumed all but gone there.
I would have taken a chance on him on that deal.
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back to Miami...2 years, 13M
He was assumed all but gone there.
I would have taken a chance on him on that deal.
I doubt he would have taken a chance on the Giants though.
If the Jets lay out big coin for Bell than Maccagnan is in full desperation mode.
The Falcons created $7M in cap space by converting $8.75M of QB Matt Ryan's base salary in 2019 into a signing bonus, per source.
What is the harm in doing this with your big salary guys you know will make the team
The Falcons created $7M in cap space by converting $8.75M of QB Matt Ryan's base salary in 2019 into a signing bonus, per source.
What is the harm in doing this with your big salary guys you know will make the team
The harm is that it pushes more dead money into future years.
The falcons will now have to spread the money out the 7 million over the remainder of his contract increasing his cap number each year.
The Falcons created $7M in cap space by converting $8.75M of QB Matt Ryan's base salary in 2019 into a signing bonus, per source.
What is the harm in doing this with your big salary guys you know will make the team
You end up with a Romo situation where you have a $15-20M dead cap hit for a guy that isn't playing.
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The #Lions are giving Trey Flowers a five-year, $90 million contract that includes $56M in guarantees, source said. $40M fully guaranteed at signing. #Patriots weren't going there. Big deal for Detroit's new big edge presence.
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The #Lions are giving Trey Flowers a five-year, $90 million contract that includes $56M in guarantees, source said. $40M fully guaranteed at signing. #Patriots weren't going there. Big deal for Detroit's new big edge presence.
That is a huge contract!
should help us with Daryl Williams if we want him right? People thought BUF would go after Williams
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Meanwhile the #Ravens have been in discussing with RB Mark Ingram on a potential deal, which makes sense as hes parting ways with the #Saints. Theyre the favorites for Ingram.
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At a time when the pursuit of @LeVeonBell is being framed as Jets vs. Ravens, it looks like it's actually Jets vs. Jets
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The #Bills have now given Josh Allen the follwing: C Mitch Morse, WRs John Brown and Cole Beasley, RB Frank Gore, TE Tyler Kroft, OT Ty Nsekhe and OL Spencer Long.
The Bills have spent a lot of money. Not sure I like all the pieces.
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Bills intend to sign former Redskins OL Ty Nsekhe
should help us with Daryl Williams if we want him right? People thought BUF would go after Williams
Sure, but also hurts our chances of signing Nsekhe.
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The #Bills have now given Josh Allen the follwing: C Mitch Morse, WRs John Brown and Cole Beasley, RB Frank Gore, TE Tyler Kroft, OT Ty Nsekhe and OL Spencer Long.
The Bills have spent a lot of money. Not sure I like all the pieces.
Hate both WRs they signed, but 3 OL + solid 2-way TE + vet RB is a good way to help a young QB develop. From that perspective, I think they've done better than the Jets.
God I hope not
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Bills intend to sign former Redskins OL Ty Nsekhe
should help us with Daryl Williams if we want him right? People thought BUF would go after Williams
Sure, but also hurts our chances of signing Nsekhe.
LOL.
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The #Jets have given LeVeon Bell a deadline to decide if he is going to sign or not, per sources. Theyre not waiting forever.
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The #Bills have now given Josh Allen the follwing: C Mitch Morse, WRs John Brown and Cole Beasley, RB Frank Gore, TE Tyler Kroft, OT Ty Nsekhe and OL Spencer Long.
The Bills have spent a lot of money. Not sure I like all the pieces.
That list of names isn't exactly impressive, but the tweet is written in a way that seems like it's supposed to be. I don't imagine Josh Allen is thinking his prayers are answered because Frank Gore is in town.
The Falcons created $7M in cap space by converting $8.75M of QB Matt Ryan's base salary in 2019 into a signing bonus, per source.
What is the harm in doing this with your big salary guys you know will make the team
The Pats do it every year. They convert $20M of Tom Brady's secret additional annual salary into TB12 stock and bonuses.
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The #Bills have now given Josh Allen the follwing: C Mitch Morse, WRs John Brown and Cole Beasley, RB Frank Gore, TE Tyler Kroft, OT Ty Nsekhe and OL Spencer Long.
The Bills have spent a lot of money. Not sure I like all the pieces.
That list of names isn't exactly impressive, but the tweet is written in a way that seems like it's supposed to be. I don't imagine Josh Allen is thinking his prayers are answered because Frank Gore is in town.
Seriously. Frank Gore is 35 years old.
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Rapoport says its basically the Jets or bust for Bell.
That's a lot of wear and tear for a RB.
Would have been nice.
Would have been nice.
He was really bad last year.
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Source: Former #Broncos C Matt Paradis agreed to terms with the #Panthers on a 3-year deal worth $27.03M. Out of nowhere.
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Source: Former #Broncos C Matt Paradis agreed to terms with the #Panthers on a 3-year deal worth $27.03M. Out of nowhere.
Bummer and a reasonable deal. Although I wasn't expecting the Giants to move on him after their commitment to Pio and trade for Zeitler. Would have made a hell of an interior for Barkley though.
Would seem so since Carolina started with a lot less room than us to begin with. Hopefully that and the Bills signing the guy from the Pats bodes well for us. If we can get Williams for anything close to the Jawuan James deal that would be awesome.
Replacing what was our biggest weakness last year through the first half of the season with 2 pro bowlers should conceivably make a very big difference.
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Source: Deone Bucannon is expected to sign with the #Bucs. Back with Bruce Arians.
If you don't mind an older guy at 32 there's Jared Veldheer whose PFF grade is "average" but above 60 at least.
Also, no special order:
Jordan Mills from Buffalo
Cameron Fleming from Dallas (positional versatility)
And a bust at OLT who's still quite young:
Jake Fisher from Cincy.
If you don't mind an older guy at 32 there's Jared Veldheer whose PFF grade is "average" but above 60 at least.
Also, no special order:
Jordan Mills from Buffalo
Cameron Fleming from Dallas (positional versatility)
And a bust at OLT who's still quite young:
Jake Fisher from Cincy.
Didn't Jake Fisher become a TE?
If you don't mind an older guy at 32 there's Jared Veldheer whose PFF grade is "average" but above 60 at least.
Also, no special order:
Jordan Mills from Buffalo
Cameron Fleming from Dallas (positional versatility)
And a bust at OLT who's still quite young:
Jake Fisher from Cincy.
Veldheer is a good option. He'd be average which is a big upgrade from turn-stile like everything we threw out there last year.
Good. Didnt want him.
Cordarrelle Patterson gets 2 for 10M from the Bears.
3 year deal
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#Browns are re-signing LB Ray-Ray Armstrong (a former #Giant, which is fitting tonight) to a one-year, $2.25m deal, source says.