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Dianna Russini: Giants will not draft Haskins, no QB at 6

ryanmkeane : 3/12/2019 9:13 am
take it for what it's worth, but she was just on ESPN New York saying from team sources she has heard, QB is not in play for them this year, and they'll continue to bolster the defense through the draft, especially DL, with emphasis on OL as well if the value is there.

No clue if she is credible, but interesting to say the least
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Good news  
montanagiant : 3/12/2019 10:08 am : link
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Haskins etal  
Archer : 3/12/2019 10:08 am : link
I respect the Giants decision.
The worst thing that you can do is overdraft based upon need.

If the Giants do not believe that any of the QBs are worthy of the 6th pick and there are potentially great players in another area of need, you take the best player available.

Hypothetically, how would it look if the Giants drafted Q.William, Sweat, White, or Allen and that player becomes a perennial pro bowler vs. drafting a good but not great QB.

In addition it is clear that the Giants believe that the rebuild is a multi year process. It does not matter if you select the QB this year or next year. There are so many holes to fill. A defensive player is an extreme area of need.
RE: RE: Sloppy belt  
montanagiant : 3/12/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14325877 crick n NC said:
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action...



Sloppy belt...pass

I would have no problem fixing that belt for her
RE: So...  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14325838 madeinstars said:
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What about that KC model? Also what happens if we go 7-9 next year and draft 14th?


I guess Eli is coming back in 2020 then.
RE: the Giants have to go this way  
exiled : 3/12/2019 10:13 am : link
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imo


My opinion, too. Finally put some meat into that defense. And replace the remaining weaknesses at OL. No matter whos QB, these are necessary.
so back to Dianna...  
antdog24 : 3/12/2019 10:13 am : link
a nice Italian girl from brooklyn...

RE: I Hope Dianna  
eugibs : 3/12/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14325984 lax counsel said:
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Is right, there just isn't a qb worth a top 10 pick in the draft this year. All mock drafts are need based, and not value based. As many have been saying all along, this is a weak qb class.

This is the year to build up the trenches, next year is the year to load up to get the qb you want. With the way the qb landscape may play out, a guy like Haskins may fall to the middle or back end of the first round (not suggesting it will happen, but it could be a possibility).


It's one thing to not draft Haskins or Murray because you don't believe in them as players. It is quite another to hear that, generally speaking, taking a quarterback is not in the Giants plans this offseason. The former is defensible. The latter is not. It seems to me that the organization's thought process is still very badly flawed, even if you end up at the same place as them because you don't believe specifically in Haskins or Murray.
RE: So...  
dep026 : 3/12/2019 10:19 am : link
In comment 14325838 madeinstars said:
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What about that KC model? Also what happens if we go 7-9 next year and draft 14th?


With Tua, Fromm, Herbert, and Eason coming out next year most likely - theres 4 options plus usually theres 1-2 that come out of nowhere. We will survive, its ok.
RE: Doesn't surprise me one bit and I'm fine with it if thats what they  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/12/2019 10:19 am : link
In comment 14325949 Brown Recluse said:
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choose to do.

Ton of holes on this defense right now.

The pieces will be in place by next year.

Who cares about the Giant's holes, I'm more interested in her's.
That 2nd pic is even worse.  
Diver_Down : 3/12/2019 10:20 am : link
Old-woman hands with hooves in heels.
RE: That 2nd pic is even worse.  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14326086 Diver_Down said:
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Old-woman hands with hooves in heels.


Who's looking at her hands. :)
RE: RE: I Hope Dianna  
Giants38 : 3/12/2019 10:24 am : link
In comment 14326074 eugibs said:
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In comment 14325984 lax counsel said:


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Is right, there just isn't a qb worth a top 10 pick in the draft this year. All mock drafts are need based, and not value based. As many have been saying all along, this is a weak qb class.

This is the year to build up the trenches, next year is the year to load up to get the qb you want. With the way the qb landscape may play out, a guy like Haskins may fall to the middle or back end of the first round (not suggesting it will happen, but it could be a possibility).



It's one thing to not draft Haskins or Murray because you don't believe in them as players. It is quite another to hear that, generally speaking, taking a quarterback is not in the Giants plans this offseason. The former is defensible. The latter is not. It seems to me that the organization's thought process is still very badly flawed, even if you end up at the same place as them because you don't believe specifically in Haskins or Murray.


You cant stop stupid. If this organization passes on another chance to draft a potential franchise QB, its stupid. Yes, I know. The Giants dont believe they are franchise guys. I just assume they know more than all the other teams that do. Gettleman is not the smartest guy out there, and he is going to leave this team in QB hell for a long time.

Itll be great to talk about how good the 2020 QBs are - as we watch them get selected before we draft. I hope all of you enjoy thats. What are all of you going to say next year? Too bad we cant get one? Wait til 2021? 2022? When exactly do we pull the trigger on a new QB? Are we eventually shelling out $83 million guaranteed to a guy like Cousins? People here will love that.

For you people who advocate wait til next year, just remember these conversations.
Gut feeling is that's correct.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/12/2019 10:25 am : link
So far DG has told the truth and I think he's given us hints.

Franchise guy is a 1st rd guy.

KC Model.

I've been with Kelly, Elway, Eli and Newton, pretty good huh?

Makes sense he'd pass on Darnold, didn't think he was in that class. Does he think Haskins in that class? Unknown but doubtful.

Will look to add a dynamic DL player with #6.

I think they may restructure Eli to add one year so he can mentor the 2020 guy.
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Eman11 : 3/12/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14326082 dep026 said:
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What about that KC model? Also what happens if we go 7-9 next year and draft 14th?



With Tua, Fromm, Herbert, and Eason coming out next year most likely - theres 4 options plus usually theres 1-2 that come out of nowhere. We will survive, its ok.


I agree and like the idea of drafting a QB who has more than one year of starting experience in college before turning pro.

RE: RE: I Hope Dianna  
AcesUp : 3/12/2019 10:30 am : link
In comment 14326074 eugibs said:



It's one thing to not draft Haskins or Murray because you don't believe in them as players. It is quite another to hear that, generally speaking, taking a quarterback is not in the Giants plans this offseason. The former is defensible. The latter is not. It seems to me that the organization's thought process is still very badly flawed, even if you end up at the same place as them because you don't believe specifically in Haskins or Murray. [/quote]

Good post. QB at #6 is not the only option. I would have a problem with Eli/Tanney/Lauletta at QB next year. The performance at the position does not warrant complacency. There are other options beyond trying to find the next John Elway, especially if you truly are embracing a rebuild. Then there are plenty of better options.
RE: picking at #2 and #6 would  
andrew_nyg : 3/12/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14325923 Dnew15 said:
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make for a very interesting spot for the Giants to be in come draft time in April...
Do you take 2 edge rushers and totally re-make the defense and finally give it an identity? Do you take one edge guy and draft the best RT in the draft? Do you take a QB to develop and an edge guy? Do you take a RT and a QB to sure up the offensive side of the football and re-build the defense next year when Eli is off the books?
That would make this draft really interesting from a NYG fan perspective!



you take Bosa at #2 and trade #6 for 3 first and second day picks.
So were basically going all in on a veteran win now offense  
djm : 3/12/2019 10:36 am : link
And all out on a diasterous defense that has 2-3 good young players. 1 good veteran player and a whole bunch of crap.

Cool.
RE: So were basically going all in on a veteran win now offense  
cjac : 3/12/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14326149 djm said:
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And all out on a diasterous defense that has 2-3 good young players. 1 good veteran player and a whole bunch of crap.

Cool.


I dont know how the Giants are going to be able to keep anyone from scoring less than 30 points all year
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Giants38 : 3/12/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14326132 andrew_nyg said:
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make for a very interesting spot for the Giants to be in come draft time in April...
Do you take 2 edge rushers and totally re-make the defense and finally give it an identity? Do you take one edge guy and draft the best RT in the draft? Do you take a QB to develop and an edge guy? Do you take a RT and a QB to sure up the offensive side of the football and re-build the defense next year when Eli is off the books?
That would make this draft really interesting from a NYG fan perspective!




you take Bosa at #2 and trade #6 for 3 first and second day picks.


Sounds awesome, right? Look, if they dont believe Haskins is the guy, they cant take him. I get that. If the cost is too high to move up, they cant do that either. But Im starting to believe this front office has lost touch with reality. At some point you have to move on from Eli. They will kick themselves if these guys become franchise QBs and they passed up the chance to get them.
Dianna has had a LOT of work done in the last 20 years...  
bradshaw44 : 3/12/2019 11:10 am : link
I was acquaintances with her at George Mason University. She played on the girls soccer team and I hung out with all of them. My best friend rented a house with three girls on the team and we would always hang out there. She was wild. And always loved the most popular athletes.
RE: So were basically going all in on a veteran win now offense  
GiantsLaw : 3/12/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14326149 djm said:
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Cool.

I don't think we're in win-now, we're in rebuild. Letting Eli play out the string while solidifying the rest of the roster. Draft a franchise QB next year and have some pieces already in place. Just my opinion.
RE: I Hope Dianna  
joeinpa : 3/12/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14325984 lax counsel said:
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Is right, there just isn't a qb worth a top 10 pick in the draft this year. All mock drafts are need based, and not value based. As many have been saying all along, this is a weak qb class.

This is the year to build up the trenches, next year is the year to load up to get the qb you want. With the way the qb landscape may play out, a guy like Haskins may fall to the middle or back end of the first round (not suggesting it will happen, but it could be a possibility).


I keep reading here about loading up for next years quarterback class. Legitimate question; How do they do that?
RE: Dianna has had a LOT of work done in the last 20 years...  
crick n NC : 3/12/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14326309 bradshaw44 said:
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I was acquaintances with her at George Mason University. She played on the girls soccer team and I hung out with all of them. My best friend rented a house with three girls on the team and we would always hang out there. She was wild. And always loved the most popular athletes.


Cool insight 👍
RE: RE: I Hope Dianna  
Diver_Down : 3/12/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14326330 joeinpa said:
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In comment 14325984 lax counsel said:


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Is right, there just isn't a qb worth a top 10 pick in the draft this year. All mock drafts are need based, and not value based. As many have been saying all along, this is a weak qb class.

This is the year to build up the trenches, next year is the year to load up to get the qb you want. With the way the qb landscape may play out, a guy like Haskins may fall to the middle or back end of the first round (not suggesting it will happen, but it could be a possibility).



I keep reading here about loading up for next years quarterback class. Legitimate question; How do they do that?


Those teams at the top of the draft will be singing Bomb for Beckham. There will be some team not needing a QB that would love to have OBJ. We get our needs taken care of and they get OBJ.
RE: RE: She's certainly a legitimate media person. Former Redskins beat writer  
Boy Cord : 3/12/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14325844 Eric from BBI said:
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hosts NFL countdown and NFL live.



Can't make out her thumbs...



Those have to be implants.
RE: RE: So were basically going all in on a veteran win now offense  
Giants38 : 3/12/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14326325 GiantsLaw said:
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Cool.


I don't think we're in win-now, we're in rebuild. Letting Eli play out the string while solidifying the rest of the roster. Draft a franchise QB next year and have some pieces already in place. Just my opinion.


I keep reading this. So were guaranteed a top 3 selection? Well have our pick of the QBs? How exactly do you know - or can you guarantee - that we will be in a position to get one of those QBs? I mean, everyone talks about it like its a sure thing that if we wait, were guaranteed one of those guys. I want to know how that works. Can someone please tell me? I need enlightenment, because if we win 6 or 7 games next year, and pick in the 15-17 range, it may be impossible to move up. What if the teams at the top of the draft need QBs and dont want to trade? Is it that difficult to envision a scenario where the Raiders, Dolphins, Redskins, Bengals, or Broncos - 3 of them anyway - control the top 3 picks - and refuse to give them up? This team lacked a franchise QB for decades until we got Eli. But somehow you think were just getting one because we want one next year? Please stop it.
RE: RE: Dianna has had a LOT of work done in the last 20 years...  
bradshaw44 : 3/12/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14326333 crick n NC said:
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In comment 14326309 bradshaw44 said:


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I was acquaintances with her at George Mason University. She played on the girls soccer team and I hung out with all of them. My best friend rented a house with three girls on the team and we would always hang out there. She was wild. And always loved the most popular athletes.



Cool insight 👍


It was just for you!
She doesn't know the first thing about what the Giants are going to do  
BillT : 3/12/2019 11:30 am : link
And neither do I or you or I think anyone else media wise. She could be right but it's her job to give opinions and get attention. That's what she's doing.
No sarcasm  
crick n NC : 3/12/2019 11:31 am : link
On my part just in case you saw it that way. Snark is a popular and well disguised tactic around these parts.
I don't know why people are happy  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/12/2019 11:33 am : link
that Eli will be leaving the Giants next with a sub .500 record after this upcoming season, but have at it.
*next year  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/12/2019 11:33 am : link
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RE: So were basically going all in on a veteran win now offense  
Lambuth_Special : 3/12/2019 11:36 am : link
In comment 14326149 djm said:
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And all out on a diasterous defense that has 2-3 good young players. 1 good veteran player and a whole bunch of crap.

Cool.


Yeah, I don't understand exactly what they're doing other than to provide entertaining, high-scoring games. I do know one thing: the offense better perform given the resources they've invested on that side.
Who is happy  
crick n NC : 3/12/2019 11:36 am : link
About it? I don't think I have noticed one fan on here that is happy about it.
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The_Boss : 3/12/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14326405 Dave in Hoboken said:
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that Eli will be leaving the Giants next with a sub .500 record after this upcoming season, but have at it.


Whos happy about it? If he doesnt want that either, he should walk away. Hes not dumb. He has to see whats going on here. He must know he has no shot at a winning team next year.
RE: Who is happy  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/12/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14326415 crick n NC said:
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About it? I don't think I have noticed one fan on here that is happy about it.


People who say this is good news and the right call. Again, have at it.
I certainly  
crick n NC : 3/12/2019 11:48 am : link
Disagree that fans are happy about that possible occurrence.
hope  
Thegratefulhead : 3/12/2019 12:05 pm : link
They are in a spot where they can get their guy at 6 or in a trade and they are actually trying to use misdirection for once.
If this unfolds  
DavidinBMNY : 3/12/2019 12:19 pm : link
Depending where they have players rated that fit in the system.

1) ER - Biggest Weakness on team , whomever they have ranked highest between Sweat, Burns and the Ferrell.
2) Otherwise if you have an OT rated at a higher grade clearly above these players take the OT.
3) Same comment for 2) but LB but only if one is higher then the ER or OT

If they consider Burns or Sweat a scheme fit I like that at 6.
This is different than what came out of the both DG and PS mouths  
Pan-handler : 3/12/2019 1:06 pm : link
During the combine. They talked up Qb and the KC model quite a bit. In other words, a young Qb drafted high to learn under Eli for a year.

Now obviously it doesn't guarantee we go Qb at 6 especially if the value isn't there. But I think Qb is still very much in play if Haskins is there (with Lock a darkhorse).
...  
Beezer : 3/12/2019 1:12 pm : link

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Thumbs? Passable.
I'm okay with no QB at #6...  
bw in dc : 3/12/2019 1:18 pm : link
but do think there is going to be good QB value in round two, three, and four.

I'd hate to pass on Finley if he's there is the second round. There is a lot there to like...
I simply wonder how they are going to grab  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/12/2019 1:21 pm : link
Fromm or Tua (whomever they really want) next year. Do they intend to suck this year (unlikely)? Are they going to sell away all their picks next year to move up? Are they going to give up players to move up (OBJ)?

I just can't help but feel that Fromm and Tua are going 1 and 2 next year. I know it's crazy to think that so early but that's what I keep thinking. They will have plenty of cap space but you can't really buy draft picks. Not directly anyway.
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GiantsLaw : 3/12/2019 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14326367 Giants38 said:
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So were guaranteed a top 3 selection? Well have our pick of the QBs? How exactly do you know - or can you guarantee - that we will be in a position to get one of those QBs?
Just my opinion on what I think we're doing. Im not in the FO and I've got no guarantees.
Lets hope Haskins is there at #6 and we get a solid trade offer  
SGMen : 3/12/2019 2:23 pm : link
We have a lot of holes on this team, especially on defense. If you can get a #1, #2 this year and a #2 next year (giving our #4 to them); well, do you pull the trigger if QB isn't what you want based on your value board?

In truth, I see the Giants now taking LB D. White at #6. Safe pick, versatile, fits today's NFL and is likely a game 1 starter. Pick #2 goes to OL if there is value there.

As for Eli, he finishes this contract with an 7 - 9 record, giver or take a game, and retires. Now, we have to hope QB Lauletta can step up into the starter's role in 2020 as he'll be cheap and this will be DG's and Shurmurs roster in full.
I BADLY NEEDED TO READ THIS THREAD  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/12/2019 4:00 pm : link
before commenting that DG was doing a better job than usual masking the Giants' draft intentions.

Holy swing and a miss.

No problem with it really given all that DL talent and White, but I hate the FO leaking this.

Screws any chance for a trade back.

Doesn't say we won't grab a "bargain" QB like Stidhamm in the later rounds though. Or even Jones at 37, G-d forbid. Just no QB at 6, right?
is this better for ya?  
Gross Blau Oberst : 3/12/2019 4:14 pm : link


There will be some excellent defensive values on the board at #6....  
Torrag : 3/12/2019 4:26 pm : link
...so if the Giants go that route with the needs we have on that side of the ball I understand that and it's a worthwhile use of the pick. No doubt about that. We should be able to add an impact defender and we sorely need those guys.

That said I don't want to hear the BS that there's no Top 10 QB worth the pick etc. There is and are. Haskins is going to be a very good NFL QB...maybe even better than that. He'll be better than guys like Foles and Flacco. Will he have a career as good as Eli and Ben? Probably depending on the organization he joins.
'I just can't help but feel that Fromm and Tua are going 1 and 2'...  
Torrag : 3/12/2019 4:28 pm : link
Order aside there's a very good chance Herbert, Tua and Fromm go 1, 2, 3.
RE: RE: Dianna has had a LOT of work done in the last 20 years...  
mdc1 : 3/12/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14326333 crick n NC said:
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In comment 14326309 bradshaw44 said:


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I was acquaintances with her at George Mason University. She played on the girls soccer team and I hung out with all of them. My best friend rented a house with three girls on the team and we would always hang out there. She was wild. And always loved the most popular athletes.



Cool insight 👍


according to the Redskins GM wife, has special skills for sqoops if true.
It's smoke blowing season  
OC2.0 : 3/12/2019 5:34 pm : link
Why would NYG "sources" say anything like that when they could use that pick as a bargaining chip for a trade? Say Miami/ Wash for example
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