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Vin_Cuccs : 3/12/2019 9:17 am
Just talked to a team that is convinced if someone makes the Giants the right offer, Beckham will be traded and Beckham has a very short list of where he wants to go.

From Mike Lombardi on Twitter.
That's not news  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2019 9:18 am : link
These media personalities are trafficking Beckham rumors for clicks.

That's news  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/12/2019 9:18 am : link
?
Depending on the team...  
Capt. Don : 3/12/2019 9:19 am : link
negotiations have to start with two first round picks.

I really wish this would go away.
Mike Lombardi = Captain Obvious?  
GiantGolfer : 3/12/2019 9:19 am : link
Obviously Mike, obviously....
I'm sure they would  
Rflairr : 3/12/2019 9:19 am : link
if someone like the Niners offered the second pick. But otherwise it makes no sense
so basically if a team blows the giants away  
nygiants16 : 3/12/2019 9:19 am : link
wow shocking news, any player should be available if the price is right..
This is essentially what us fans have been saying for months.  
The_Boss : 3/12/2019 9:20 am : link
DGs asking for the moon. If somebody wants Beckham that badly, theyll pony up and hell be gone.
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arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 9:20 am : link
So, it's the same thing we've heard every day for the last 2 weeks?
Can this just be the definitive quote for Beckham rumors?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2019 9:20 am : link
"Teams have absolutely called and talked to the Giants and they've taken the calls and had conversations... They're certainly listening, but their asking price right now is ridiculous for him." @JayGlazer with the latest on the Giants and Odell Beckham Jr.
That  
Jon in NYC : 3/12/2019 9:21 am : link
sentence is true of probably every player in the NFL short of Mahomes, Brady and Rodgers.
RE: Can this just be the definitive quote for Beckham rumors?  
cjac : 3/12/2019 9:22 am : link
In comment 14325856 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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"Teams have absolutely called and talked to the Giants and they've taken the calls and had conversations... They're certainly listening, but their asking price right now is ridiculous for him." @JayGlazer with the latest on the Giants and Odell Beckham Jr.


The same guy who said he would be traded this offseason
Tom Rock summed this situation up nicely....  
Britt in VA : 3/12/2019 9:22 am : link
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Tom Rock

Verified account

@TomRock_Newsday
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I didn't buy my lunch to sell it.
"I'll give you $5 for it."
I didn't buy my lunch to sell it. Smells good though, doesn't it?
"I'll give you $10 for it."
I didn't buy my lunch to sell it. And it's gonna taste really good.
"I'll give you $100 for it."
Sold!
Could be our plan to get our new QB next year  
TMS : 3/12/2019 9:23 am : link
with two firsts plus to use in a trade. OBJ wants to play on the west coast and Barkley is stealing some of his thunder here. Just a thought.
If San Fran offered the #2 overall....  
Britt in VA : 3/12/2019 9:24 am : link
he's gone.
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arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 9:26 am : link
It's simple for me.

Either someone offers you the moon and you take it, or you don't trade him.

The absolute worst thing NYG can do right now is send Beckham somewhere in a "get rid of him" deal for unequal value. Gettleman will lose me immediately if he does that.
I don't think that will happen....  
Britt in VA : 3/12/2019 9:28 am : link
and the reports back that up.
Define the "moon"  
Chris684 : 3/12/2019 9:32 am : link
Because this year's 2nd and next year's 1st from San Francisco would go a pretty long way in reshaping this franchise, plus moving out a guy who doesn't really want to be here.

Win-win.
I don't think they'll get both of those....  
Britt in VA : 3/12/2019 9:32 am : link
I do think if San Fran offered 2 overall that would get it done.
Beckham contract is starting to look cheap  
rasbutant : 3/12/2019 9:35 am : link
compared to some of the deals handed out yesterday.
RE: Define the  
section125 : 3/12/2019 9:35 am : link
In comment 14325899 Chris684 said:
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Because this year's 2nd and next year's 1st from San Francisco would go a pretty long way in reshaping this franchise, plus moving out a guy who doesn't really want to be here.

Win-win.


Doesn't want to be here? Did you talk to him?
Zero  
DanMetroMan : 3/12/2019 9:36 am : link
evidence Beckham doesn't want to be here, in fact he seems to love NY. He's a HOF caliber talent. You don't trade that kind of guy for a few picks just because. You need to be blown away.
I'd want their first and third.  
Brown Recluse : 3/12/2019 9:37 am : link
Oh the things you could do with two top six picks in this draft, defensively.
RE: RE: Define the  
Greg from LI : 3/12/2019 9:39 am : link
In comment 14325907 section125 said:
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Doesn't want to be here? Did you talk to him?


Consider who you're talking to, one of the true dim bulbs of BBI.
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arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 9:47 am : link
No point in responding to posters who are going to make things up to fit their shitty narrative, guys.

Ignore it.
Guys....  
Britt in VA : 3/12/2019 9:48 am : link
that ESPN interview was as pointed as it gets as far as sports interviews go.

He said he feels the Giants are holding him back from reaching his potential, that he should be getting 20 targets a game and feels like his numbers should be double or triple what they are.

Is not sure he wants to play in cold weather in New York, prefers the warm climate of LA.

When asked directly if he wanted to be in New York, he answered: This is where I'm at.
Trading Beckham only makes sense if you're gonna  
Heisenberg : 3/12/2019 9:48 am : link
tear it down to bare minimum and that doesn't seem like the plan at all. This looks like "rebuild on the fly". That plan may be dubious, but there's no indication they're tearing it down.

Alternately, they could offer a herschel walker level overwhelming offer, but that's really unlikely too.

also, Mike Lombardi doesn't know shit.
I get that you guys like Beckham but there is more than just smoke....  
Britt in VA : 3/12/2019 9:48 am : link
that he prefers to be somewhere else. I'd revisit that interview.
Yea  
Chris684 : 3/12/2019 9:49 am : link
The Giants are definitely the type of organization to lock a guy up with millions of dollars one year and listen to offers for him the next.

That's got nothing to do with Beckham.

Ok.

RE: I get that you guys like Beckham but there is more than just smoke....  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 9:52 am : link
In comment 14325945 Britt in VA said:
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that he prefers to be somewhere else. I'd revisit that interview.


Or, we can just listen to things he said since - but I know how it goes, we'll just assume nothing has been said to the contrary since.

Certainly nothing like this...

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If it took that for us to come together as a team, like we did today, I can take that every single time.

If it took that to get us going, Im trying to be a leader. This is a position that Ive never been in. Im trying to grow. Im learning on the fly. But, Im proud of where we went today. We gave it our all. We came [back] against adversity, and calls here and there. We can never rely on the refs to win the game, but there were calls here or there that were questionable, and we kept fighting. We kept fighting. Thats all I could ask for.


Maybe he's just tired of fucking losing like everyone else.
maybe he's tired of a geriatric, rapidly declining QB  
Greg from LI : 3/12/2019 9:53 am : link
and no apparent plan for a successor
RE: Guys....  
GiantGrit : 3/12/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14325943 Britt in VA said:
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that ESPN interview was as pointed as it gets as far as sports interviews go.

He said he feels the Giants are holding him back from reaching his potential, that he should be getting 20 targets a game and feels like his numbers should be double or triple what they are.

Is not sure he wants to play in cold weather in New York, prefers the warm climate of LA.

When asked directly if he wanted to be in New York, he answered: This is where I'm at.


I still like him, but that interview really pissed me off. Can't imagine how Giants brass reacted.

I think he gets one last chance. If he does something again, they'll trade him (just a guess)
Ahh  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/12/2019 9:55 am : link
the old "no plan" argument.
RE: maybe he's tired of a geriatric, rapidly declining QB  
Default : 3/12/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14325960 Greg from LI said:
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and no apparent plan for a successor

Bingo

The guy wants to win, and knows its not happening here.
For Beckham and the giants  
crick n NC : 3/12/2019 9:56 am : link
The grass isn't always greener. Repeated often in life, but it has truth to it that should be thought about on each side.
It is what it is.  
Britt in VA : 3/12/2019 9:57 am : link
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Maybe he's tired of losing?  
Chris684 : 3/12/2019 10:00 am : link
WTF is this?

He signed here. No one forced him to.
I  
AcidTest : 3/12/2019 10:00 am : link
don't want OBJ traded, but acknowledge the problem has always been compensation. The Giants want more than any team is willing to offer. That has been known since last season.
And the next question is....  
Britt in VA : 3/12/2019 10:00 am : link
If a trade does not happen, does Beckham have the emotional maturity to handle a. the rumors that he was on the block, and b. another season rebuilding.

Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.
RE: I get that you guys like Beckham but there is more than just smoke....  
ron mexico : 3/12/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14325945 Britt in VA said:
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that he prefers to be somewhere else. I'd revisit that interview.


even if he does, who cares what he wants?

Lmao at all these obj rumors  
micky : 3/12/2019 10:03 am : link
He's. Not. Going. Anywhere
I hated this idea at the beginning...  
Dnew15 : 3/12/2019 10:03 am : link
BUT - I'm starting to come around to it.
If the Giants pick #2 (from SF) and #6 they will have a chance to reshape the entire organization moving forward.

It would also make this year's draft the most interesting in Giants history (maybe).

(I posted this on the wrong thread earlier -sorry - jeez, then I did it again! I need more coffee)
Do the Giants take 2 edge rushers and re-define the defense and give it an identity? Do they take a QB and a RT and get the offense set for the next 5 years and fix the defense next year when Eli is off the books? Do they take an edge and RT? A edge and a QB?

It would certainly make this draft very interesting.
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fkap : 3/12/2019 10:03 am : link
"and Beckham has a very short list of where he wants to go."

Unless he has a trade clause, it doesn't really matter where he wants to go, and we shouldn't take it into consideration.

Personally, while not giving him away, I wonder if it would be worthwhile lowering our demands? If he's just going to be a jackass, and if we're not likely to win this year, and if he becomes a likely trade next year, maybe we should just get on with rebuilding the team now.

Click bait. Click discussion. nothing new in either.

RE: And the next question is....  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14325997 Britt in VA said:
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If a trade does not happen, does Beckham have the emotional maturity to handle a. the rumors that he was on the block, and b. another season rebuilding.

Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.


What choice does he have?

He can play or not. He signed a contract.
Arc if he was so tired of losing  
Chris684 : 3/12/2019 10:05 am : link
Why did he re-sign with NYG?
RE: RE: And the next question is....  
Britt in VA : 3/12/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14326016 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14325997 Britt in VA said:


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If a trade does not happen, does Beckham have the emotional maturity to handle a. the rumors that he was on the block, and b. another season rebuilding.

Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.



What choice does he have?

He can play or not. He signed a contract.


The choice that he has is he can make life miserable for the Giants organization and fans.
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arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 10:07 am : link
If Beckham didn't want to be here, why did he participate in camp without even having a deal done while several other players in his boat held out?

That doesn't seem like something a player would do if he didn't want to be where he was, but maybe I'm wrong.
Please  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2019 10:07 am : link
This isn't a rumor. The Giants are not shopping OBJ, and unless some team is stupid enough to overwhelm the Giants with an unsolicited offer they might listen.
RE: .  
Britt in VA : 3/12/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14326031 arcarsenal said:
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If Beckham didn't want to be here, why did he participate in camp without even having a deal done while several other players in his boat held out?

That doesn't seem like something a player would do if he didn't want to be where he was, but maybe I'm wrong.


Because he wanted to get that contract?
RE: Lmao at all these obj rumors  
Diver_Down : 3/12/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14326010 micky said:
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He's. Not. Going. Anywhere


Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.
RE: RE: RE: And the next question is....  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14326030 Britt in VA said:
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If a trade does not happen, does Beckham have the emotional maturity to handle a. the rumors that he was on the block, and b. another season rebuilding.

Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.



What choice does he have?

He can play or not. He signed a contract.



The choice that he has is he can make life miserable for the Giants organization and fans.


By doing what? Complaining?

A team that lets a player hold them hostage has no one to blame but themselves.

If he makes a huge deal, bench him. I don't care. He'll figure out that he can either play football or sit on the sidelines and not. Up to him. My guess is he'll want to play football.
Because he was likely told  
Chris684 : 3/12/2019 10:08 am : link
if you show up you will be handsomely rewarded which we now know was a big mistake.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14326034 Britt in VA said:
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If Beckham didn't want to be here, why did he participate in camp without even having a deal done while several other players in his boat held out?

That doesn't seem like something a player would do if he didn't want to be where he was, but maybe I'm wrong.



Because he wanted to get that contract?


Yeah, and he risked getting hurt and never getting it because he wanted to be with his teammates.

Several other players didn't feel that was important and held out and did not attend their facilities.

Beckham easily could have done the same - and predictably been vilified for it even though it's common practice. But he didn't.
RE: RE: Lmao at all these obj rumors  
crick n NC : 3/12/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14326037 Diver_Down said:
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He's. Not. Going. Anywhere



Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.


"My life is the complete opposite of everything I want it to be. Every instinct I have in every aspect of life, be it something to wear, something to eat Its often wrong.

If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right.
someone sure has a hard on for  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 10:10 am : link
OBJ...
RE: Arc if he was so tired of losing  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/12/2019 10:12 am : link
In comment 14326020 Chris684 said:
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Why did he re-sign with NYG?


yes -- this is salient

I would trade Beckham -- but only if it made the Giants a better team -- this means I want proven players (more than one) and high draft picks (more than 1) - preferably a combination of a least 5 proven players and high draft picks -- without that I don't do it

It's gotta be a Hershel Walker deal
RE: Arc if he was so tired of losing  
section125 : 3/12/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14326020 Chris684 said:
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Why did he re-sign with NYG?


$95 million reasons...
RE: RE: RE: And the next question is....  
ron mexico : 3/12/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14326030 Britt in VA said:
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If a trade does not happen, does Beckham have the emotional maturity to handle a. the rumors that he was on the block, and b. another season rebuilding.

Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.



What choice does he have?

He can play or not. He signed a contract.



The choice that he has is he can make life miserable for the Giants organization and fans.


I don't know about you, but OBJ has no ability to make my life miserable

RE: Because he was likely told  
Greg from LI : 3/12/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14326042 Chris684 said:
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if you show up you will be handsomely rewarded which we now know was a big mistake.


Do you ever get tired of being utterly, completely full of shit?
hell, even Saquon is up for grabs  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 10:14 am : link
if a team wants to offer 4 1st round picks
This doesn't  
Beer Man : 3/12/2019 10:17 am : link
appear to be anything new from what we have already been hearing. There was an article earlier stating that potential suitors are backing out once they hear what DG wants. It appears he is not on the market, but if a team want to offer a king's ransom, DG is willing to listen.
Its fun not participating in an OBJ back and forths  
dep026 : 3/12/2019 10:21 am : link
:slowly eats his popcorn....:
While its unlikely  
GiantGrit : 3/12/2019 10:22 am : link
Why are people still talking like it definitely won't happen?

The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.

As for the argument "well why did he sign here then"

This is the new norm for pro athletes. Sign a deal, get that guaranteed $$$ and then if you want out kick and scream. Financial security triumphs all.

And for the people saying he doesn't want out, take Britt's advice and listen to that interview again. You pull that kinda shit more than once, your days are numbered.
I don't think Beckham wants to be here either  
ghost718 : 3/12/2019 10:22 am : link
Call it a hunch

Last thing I want on my team is Unhappy Beckham,I don't even want Regular Beckham.
RE: While its unlikely  
Greg from LI : 3/12/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14326093 GiantGrit said:
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The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.


Well, yeah, which is probably true for just about every player on the roster.
Yea again, The Giants definitely lock up players long term  
Chris684 : 3/12/2019 10:25 am : link
one year and then turn around and entertain offers for them the next year.

That's totally how the Giants operate!

RE: RE: While its unlikely  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14326100 Greg from LI said:
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The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.



Well, yeah, which is probably true for just about every player on the roster.


Wait - you mean to tell me that if a team A offers exactly what team B is asking for, team B is going to take the deal?!

That's crazy. I didn't know it worked like that.
RE: While its unlikely  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14326093 GiantGrit said:
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Why are people still talking like it definitely won't happen?

The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.

As for the argument "well why did he sign here then"

This is the new norm for pro athletes. Sign a deal, get that guaranteed $$$ and then if you want out kick and scream. Financial security triumphs all.

And for the people saying he doesn't want out, take Britt's advice and listen to that interview again. You pull that kinda shit more than once, your days are numbered.


100% gone?
RE: RE: While its unlikely  
Britt in VA : 3/12/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14326100 Greg from LI said:
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The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.



Well, yeah, which is probably true for just about every player on the roster.


If San Fran offered the #2 overall for Barkley right now, would the Giants take it?

Now, if San Fran offered the #2 overall for Beckham right now, would the Giants take it?

So it's not exactly apples to apples here.
I think one of the safest bets this upcoming season...  
M.S. : 3/12/2019 10:33 am : link

...is that OBJ will be playing for the Giants.

Also, any reporter that says the Giants are waiting to be blown away with an offer should have his (or her) keyboard taken away. Every team in the NFL is waiting to hear of an offer that blows them away, and essentially zero NFL teams are willing to make an offer that blows the other team away. When was the last time that happened... Herschel Walker?
RE: RE: Lmao at all these obj rumors  
micky : 3/12/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14326037 Diver_Down said:
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He's. Not. Going. Anywhere



Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.


You think a "Hershal Walker" type trades happen this day and age? Or the Giants would be ok with a $35 mil dead money for something less? Now, if talking 2020, there is more of a chance but still
The Giants  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/12/2019 10:39 am : link
are incredibly thin at WR as it is. With Beckham gone you'd have a good slot guy and not much else.

Not saying it can't happen, just that WE would suddenly become an area of dire need.

...and please no Engram to WR crap.
RE: The Giants  
Dnew15 : 3/12/2019 10:43 am : link
In comment 14326164 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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are incredibly thin at WR as it is. With Beckham gone you'd have a good slot guy and not much else.

Not saying it can't happen, just that WE would suddenly become an area of dire need.

...and please no Engram to WR crap.


The Giants have exactly one area of positional grouping strength on the roster right now - RB

That's it.

Time to blow it all up and start over.

Based on the Giants moves in FA right now - I think they finally see that's the only way to go.
RE: RE: The Giants  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14326178 Dnew15 said:
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are incredibly thin at WR as it is. With Beckham gone you'd have a good slot guy and not much else.

Not saying it can't happen, just that WE would suddenly become an area of dire need.

...and please no Engram to WR crap.



The Giants have exactly one area of positional grouping strength on the roster right now - RB

That's it.

Time to blow it all up and start over.

Based on the Giants moves in FA right now - I think they finally see that's the only way to go.


The moves they've made tell you they're blowing it up and starting all over?

Eli being under center again should tell you the exact opposite.
RE: RE: RE: The Giants  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14326196 arcarsenal said:
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are incredibly thin at WR as it is. With Beckham gone you'd have a good slot guy and not much else.

Not saying it can't happen, just that WE would suddenly become an area of dire need.

...and please no Engram to WR crap.



The Giants have exactly one area of positional grouping strength on the roster right now - RB

That's it.

Time to blow it all up and start over.

Based on the Giants moves in FA right now - I think they finally see that's the only way to go.



The moves they've made tell you they're blowing it up and starting all over?

Eli being under center again should tell you the exact opposite.


So if they are intent on following the KC model and no drafted QB this season, we can expect to see Eli being under center again in 2020 as well.
Of the most ridiculous things I've read on BBI  
jcn56 : 3/12/2019 10:54 am : link
nearing the top is the 'Beckham didn't want to be here but stayed for the money' argument.

As if OBJ would be sitting outside of MetLife with a hat taking up collections if the Giants didn't pay him.
I think that lettling LC go  
Dnew15 : 3/12/2019 10:56 am : link
was what did it for me.
They have literally no safeties on the roster.
They have not one legitimate pass rusher.
They are rebuilding the OL and DL.
They have a growing problem with one of their star players - and it appears more and more every day that they are going to move on from him.
They have made exactly zero FA news.

I can't explain the Eli thing. It doesn't make any sense to me.

But aside from Eli - this whole operation reeks of total overall - and I'm totally excited by it.
RE: Of the most ridiculous things I've read on BBI  
crick n NC : 3/12/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14326232 jcn56 said:
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nearing the top is the 'Beckham didn't want to be here but stayed for the money' argument.

As if OBJ would be sitting outside of MetLife with a hat taking up collections if the Giants didn't pay him.


He probably got his money a lot sooner with nyg rather than demand a trade and wait for nyg to get what they would have wanted for him. I'd say he's split, half of him wants to be the other half doesn't judging by what he says.
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arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 11:00 am : link
FA basically just started. They haven't made news because we have limited cap space and this isn't going to be a spending spree year.

Letting Collins go made sense. Rebuilding or not.

But we're not going to be big players in FA this year regardless.

Obviously parts of the team need to be rebuilt - but if they were truly going to rip the whole thing apart, Eli wouldn't be here. Eli being here is completely contradictory of a complete teardown.
I actually think  
Kyle in NY : 3/12/2019 11:04 am : link
this offense has a chance to be pretty good. A defense lacking in talent might negate it all and it ends in another losing season. But Odell could be primed for a big year. Will that be enough to keep him happy despite likely another season out of the playoffs? I'm not sure. I think the guy just wants to win and any frustration with his situation here is simply tied to losing.
Holy shit  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/12/2019 11:04 am : link
they didnt make a FA splash on the first day! Blow it up!

Then if they did make a splash you'd be complaining about the money no doubt.

It's like some of you have a script titled "Bullshit to say after the first day of free agency" that you pull off a book shelf every March.
RE: I actually think  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14326272 Kyle in NY said:
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this offense has a chance to be pretty good. A defense lacking in talent might negate it all and it ends in another losing season. But Odell could be primed for a big year. Will that be enough to keep him happy despite likely another season out of the playoffs? I'm not sure. I think the guy just wants to win and any frustration with his situation here is simply tied to losing.


It was "average" last year - and that's actually not bad when you consider how absolutely pathetic we were in 2017 (and really 2016, too) on that side of the football.

I know some people think there was no difference between 2017 and 2018 - but I think offensively, there was a pretty noticeable one as the year went on.

We can and should strive for better than average - love adding Zeitler - need a healthy Beckham, Engram found a role later in the year.. Barkley in year 2 with better blocking in front of him.

I actually think the offense is going to be totally fine. Should be close to top 10 if not just inside of it.

If not, something is amiss.
the only way I would trade OBJ  
Chip : 3/12/2019 11:08 am : link
is to get Trevor Lawrence in two years.
This is common sense  
DavidinBMNY : 3/12/2019 11:12 am : link
If someone makes you an offer you can't refuse, take it.

They haven't won with Beckham. They aren't close to competing for a championship. That said, I would think they would prefer if it was an AFC team.

I assume he'd go to Cleveland, Oakland, San Fran and Rams.

The question is would Oakland go all in? Would they come with the 4th and 22nd?

If that deal was on the table, given the Giants current state of affairs, don't you have to take it?

I don't see Oakland doing that.

I agree that Eli  
Dnew15 : 3/12/2019 11:15 am : link
being here is the only part of this rebuild that seems out of place.

I also believe that Eli being the QB this year will be the only thing that holds this offense back. I agree with many that the alternatives to Eli available to the NYG are not going to help with the rebuild either - so they went with what they had.

If you believe that the entire defense constitutes "some of the team is being rebuilt" - then I agree.

This team has no chance with what they will put out there on defense this year and the QB they will run out there to lead the offense (if it is indeed Eli).

To me - the rebuild is underway. I think dealing OBJ for the #2 pick in the draft will help the process move along better and quicker.

This is DG's team now - and he's making moves (in my opinion) that reflect his belief on what a winning roster should look like.

Just my 2 cents.


RE: This is common sense  
Boy Cord : 3/12/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14326318 DavidinBMNY said:
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If someone makes you an offer you can't refuse, take it.

They haven't won with Beckham. They aren't close to competing for a championship. That said, I would think they would prefer if it was an AFC team.

I assume he'd go to Cleveland, Oakland, San Fran and Rams.

The question is would Oakland go all in? Would they come with the 4th and 22nd?

If that deal was on the table, given the Giants current state of affairs, don't you have to take it?

I don't see Oakland doing that.


Oakland just signed Antonio Brown. Oakland isnt happening.
Who would the new QB throw to?  
VinegarPeppers : 3/12/2019 12:27 pm : link
Top 3 WRs don't grow on trees. Especially not like OBJ.

I think there are lot of old Giant fans that want him gone for the tats, the hair and the TD celebrations.
RE: This is common sense  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2019 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14326318 DavidinBMNY said:
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If someone makes you an offer you can't refuse, take it.

They haven't won with Beckham. They aren't close to competing for a championship. That said, I would think they would prefer if it was an AFC team.

I assume he'd go to Cleveland, Oakland, San Fran and Rams.

The question is would Oakland go all in? Would they come with the 4th and 22nd?

If that deal was on the table, given the Giants current state of affairs, don't you have to take it?

I don't see Oakland doing that.


Teams around the league probably already know that DG's asking price would be extremely high based on last year, they're not going to even bother making an offer.
If our 'ask' is met  
Pan-handler : 3/12/2019 12:46 pm : link
I think OBJ is going to get traded. But the ask is likely pretty high. San Fran's #2 and possibly their 2nd or 3rd.
RE: Who would the new QB throw to?  
Pan-handler : 3/12/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14326557 VinegarPeppers said:
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Top 3 WRs don't grow on trees. Especially not like OBJ.

I think there are lot of old Giant fans that want him gone for the tats, the hair and the TD celebrations.


With Saquon, Engram and Shephard we don't need an absolute top 5 WR to have an effective passing game especially with an improved OL and Saquon at RB.

An Amari Cooper level guy for instance would probably still give us an effective pass game.
Lets trade him to Cleveland, Buffalo or Oakland  
mdc1 : 3/12/2019 12:57 pm : link
his ego is big enough for those towns.
...  
BleedBlue : 3/12/2019 1:37 pm : link
if they take JUST #2 for OBJ....i will ever root for this scrub team again.

Ill bet my steak to your hotdog that OBJ has a better career than whoever is drafted at #2.

sure i cant know who is going #2 and what they will be but i know OBJ is a HoF talent without a doubt. thats good enough odds for me.
trading him for #2 and thats it is a fucking disaster of a move.
RE: RE: Who would the new QB throw to?  
HomerJones45 : 3/12/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14326598 Pan-handler said:
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In comment 14326557 VinegarPeppers said:


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Top 3 WRs don't grow on trees. Especially not like OBJ.

I think there are lot of old Giant fans that want him gone for the tats, the hair and the TD celebrations.



With Saquon, Engram and Shephard we don't need an absolute top 5 WR to have an effective passing game especially with an improved OL and Saquon at RB.

An Amari Cooper level guy for instance would probably still give us an effective pass game.
No shit? You realize Amari Cooper was the 4th pick in the entire fucking draft the year he came out. That is not some ham and egger you are talking about.
So many people...  
Chris in Philly : 3/12/2019 1:47 pm : link
ascribe malevolent motivations to players and organizations when all they have to go on are rumors and hot takes by media people with massive agendas.
RE: If our 'ask' is met  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2019 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14326584 Pan-handler said:
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I think OBJ is going to get traded. But the ask is likely pretty high. San Fran's #2 and possibly their 2nd or 3rd.


1st this year, and 2020 1st is my guess.
Beckham being traded gets talk about almost  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/12/2019 1:55 pm : link
all of the time, yet never happens.

Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
RE: Beckham being traded gets talk about almost  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2019 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14326750 Dave in Hoboken said:
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all of the time, yet never happens.

Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.


It gets Twitter click hits from all the supposed "reporters" floating those rumors.
This isn't news  
Blue Dream : 3/12/2019 1:57 pm : link
You could take that sentence and change the name of the team and the player (except for maybe Chiefs and Pat Mahomes) and it would be true. Sure it might take your next five first round picks but anyone could be had for the right price
RE: RE: RE: Lmao at all these obj rumors  
Diver_Down : 3/12/2019 2:05 pm : link
In comment 14326142 micky said:
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He's. Not. Going. Anywhere



Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.



You think a "Hershal Walker" type trades happen this day and age? Or the Giants would be ok with a $35 mil dead money for something less? Now, if talking 2020, there is more of a chance but still


Let's be clear. It is $16M this year and $12M next year (the dead cap hit). Quit reading the headlines. OBJ's inflated guaranteed contract includes guaranteed salaries that the new team will be on the hook for. If people think $16M is too much for DG to eat, then they haven't been paying attention. We ate JPP's contract for a third last year.
.  
Anakim : 3/12/2019 2:26 pm : link
Field Yates

Verified account

@FieldYates

Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
Based on eveything that comes from the Giants side regarding any deal  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2019 2:27 pm : link
It would have to be an incredible haul of a deal. It's not even about eating dead money, though that number is significant. They don't want to trade him, so it makes sense that the Giants don't have any interest in eating dead money to trade a player they don't want to trade.
RE: .  
Diver_Down : 3/12/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14326810 Anakim said:
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Field Yates

Verified account

@FieldYates

Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.


Anak, I was just watching the segment and she added that the original team (inferring San Fran) is still in talks. That extra isn't mentioned in her tweet.
They don't want to trade him  
Chris684 : 3/12/2019 2:35 pm : link
except that they're discussing trading him.

I wonder how that works?
RE: They don't want to trade him  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2019 2:37 pm : link
In comment 14326838 Chris684 said:
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except that they're discussing trading him.

I wonder how that works?


How it works is team contact them to make offers, and the Giants laugh at them.
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/08/new-york-giants-laughed-at-browns-trade-offer-odell-beckham-jr/
So the Browns are still after Odell, I guess.  
bceagle05 : 3/12/2019 2:37 pm : link
They haven't made any splashes with their ridiculous amount of cap space, so maybe this is still priority #1 for them.
RE: RE: Arc if he was so tired of losing  
SGMen : 3/12/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14326061 gidiefor said:
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In comment 14326020 Chris684 said:


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Why did he re-sign with NYG?



yes -- this is salient

I would trade Beckham -- but only if it made the Giants a better team -- this means I want proven players (more than one) and high draft picks (more than 1) - preferably a combination of a least 5 proven players and high draft picks -- without that I don't do it

It's gotta be a Hershel Walker deal
Exactly! We need a "fleecing" type deal from a team that feels it is a WR away from a SB.

If you get say a 2nd/3rd year veteran OL clear upgrade; a 2nd/3rd year FS upgrade and a first & 3rd this year and 2nd next year, maybe you want to pull the trigger? But that is getting a lot for a guy who gets hurt a lot in OBJ.

I will add this: during the season, say 4 or 5 games in; if a team loses a starting WR to injury and is a WR away from being a true, bonafide contender, you might trade OBJ for a pair of #1's and a player who starts for us at a position of need. But we'd have to be like 1 -4 and clearly not contenders again, which very well may happen
Yea because rejecting a specific offer  
Chris684 : 3/12/2019 2:39 pm : link
is the same as not wanting to trade him overall.
RE: RE: Who would the new QB throw to?  
PerpetualNervousness : 3/12/2019 2:40 pm : link
Amari Cooper was the 4th pick in the draft. We're going to trade OBJ for a draft pick that we can then use on a WR and hope he's a quality pro? Has anybody noticed the crazy contracts being given to mediocre WRs? Or all the top teams that have recently traded to acquire WR talent. Top end gamebreaking WRs are hard to find, and they are essential to success in the current NFL.

The Giants do not have a single player on the roster who is close to a WR1. And after Shepard, they don't really even have anyone who is more than a WR3. Based on two games late in the season you're going to argue Engram is suddenly Travis Kelce? In today's NFL, without two legitimate offensive playmakers, you're not going to do very much. Saquon is a special talent, but if the Giants can't stretch the field, he will be bottled up and beat up, and we will diminish his value in the present and for the future. If the Giants think they're in full on rebuild, then maybe you can make an argument for a trade that nets you a massive haul. But otherwise, you're just making the team worse in the short and long-term.


In comment 14326598 Pan-handler said:
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In comment 14326557 VinegarPeppers said:


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Top 3 WRs don't grow on trees. Especially not like OBJ.

I think there are lot of old Giant fans that want him gone for the tats, the hair and the TD celebrations.



With Saquon, Engram and Shephard we don't need an absolute top 5 WR to have an effective passing game especially with an improved OL and Saquon at RB.

An Amari Cooper level guy for instance would probably still give us an effective pass game.
I think dismissing the idea that Beckham  
joeinpa : 3/12/2019 2:41 pm : link
might be traded is pretty silly. There's too much noise here to not have some legs.

RE: Yea because rejecting a specific offer  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14326844 Chris684 said:
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is the same as not wanting to trade him overall.


If you need to be blown away to make a deal, that is precisely 'not wanting to trade a player'.
The Giants don't have trade discussions  
Chris684 : 3/12/2019 2:50 pm : link
about players they don't want to trade.

You all complain about them operating like a family when it comes to the QB.

Now we're supposed to believe that the Giants have open phone lines regarding their best and most beloved players? That would be a real change in philosophy.
That would be a dumb policy to believe that they don't even listen  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2019 2:52 pm : link
to teams calling with offers.

How do you think the Zeitler trade happened, when he was part of the rumored Beckham deal? The Browns called about Beckham, got told no, but learned Zeitler could be had.
Didn't Gettleman tell them to hang up the phones....  
Britt in VA : 3/12/2019 2:54 pm : link
that they weren't taking offers for the #2 overall pick, that Saquon was the guy and that's that?
Were the Browns told no flat out?  
Chris684 : 3/12/2019 2:54 pm : link
Or were they told no to that offer but keep trying?

Seems like the latter.
Cowherd said the Niners want him badly..  
Sean : 3/12/2019 2:55 pm : link
but dont want to part with the 2nd pick in the draft which is what the Giants want. Id guess hed get traded for #2 if offered. I doubt that is offered though.
You might as well argue with a tree stump  
Greg from LI : 3/12/2019 2:55 pm : link
Cretin684 is just going to keep yammering the same bullshit, like doll after you pull the string.
RE: Were the Browns told no flat out?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2019 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14326883 Chris684 said:
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Or were they told no to that offer but keep trying?

Seems like the latter.


Yes they were told no. They ended up trading an excellent Guard to the Giants for a player the Giants were *you're not gonna believe this* actually trying to trade. It's weird how we knew the Giants were trying to trade Olivier Vernon, yet somehow all we keep hearing is that they have no intention of trading Beckham.
RE: Cowherd said the Niners want him badly..  
Go Terps : 3/12/2019 2:58 pm : link
In comment 14326886 Sean said:
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but dont want to part with the 2nd pick in the draft which is what the Giants want. Id guess hed get traded for #2 if offered. I doubt that is offered though.


Think about the deviation between the reality and what some people here think the Giants should get. There are people saying SF should give up the #2 pick overall, their first rounder next year, and more.
RE: If our 'ask' is met  
Rjanyg : 3/12/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14326584 Pan-handler said:
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I think OBJ is going to get traded. But the ask is likely pretty high. San Fran's #2 and possibly their 2nd or 3rd.


I would think about it for SF's 2019 1st, 2nd and 2020 1st along with DeForest.

Otherwise no way.
Terps, imagine saying no to #2 pick in the draft?  
Sean : 3/12/2019 3:01 pm : link
What a gift it would be if we could be sitting with 2 picks in the top 6 & trade our second round pick for Rosen. Talk about accelerating a rebuild.
RE: Terps, imagine saying no to #2 pick in the draft?  
Go Terps : 3/12/2019 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14326905 Sean said:
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What a gift it would be if we could be sitting with 2 picks in the top 6 & trade our second round pick for Rosen. Talk about accelerating a rebuild.


That would be insane; just as SF would be insane to offer the #2 pick for the right to pay Beckham.

I wonder if they'd say yes to next year's first rounder and another pick. Figure Eli's the QB in 2019 anyway; Gettleman may want to load up on ammo to get one of the QBs next year.
Sean...  
Dnew15 : 3/12/2019 3:10 pm : link
put me down for being in on that plan.
Daily dose of OB rumor clicks  
JonC : 3/12/2019 3:10 pm : link
I see.

Me thinks the disappointing AB trade haul doesn't bode well for moving OB soon.
I would take two edge guys  
Dnew15 : 3/12/2019 3:12 pm : link
with picks #2 and #6.
Imagine a J. Allen and N. Bosa to start a rebuild on that defense.
Pair that with what we already have on the DL.
DG is all about making the OL/DL the strength of the football team...
I love this plan
RE: Daily dose of OB rumor clicks  
Go Terps : 3/12/2019 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14326922 JonC said:
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I see.

Me thinks the disappointing AB trade haul doesn't bode well for moving OB soon.


I don't know if I'd say that for Lombardi. He's been consistent all offseason that Beckham wouldn't be traded.
Jon-  
Sean : 3/12/2019 3:14 pm : link
We have no defense & a ton of money committed to skill positions, it makes sense.

Also, there is an element here to collect assets which is something the Eagles did brilliantly leading up to Wentz. Im fine passing on QB this year, but Gettleman better have assets lined up to have flexibility in April 2020.
RE: Daily dose of OB rumor clicks  
section125 : 3/12/2019 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14326922 JonC said:
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I see.

Me thinks the disappointing AB trade haul doesn't bode well for moving OB soon.


I don't think Odell is going anywhere, but just because Pitt got squat for AB, doesn't mean the Giants wouldn't get more for Odell. The Steelers had to trade AB, everyone knew it. The Giants don't have to trade Odell.
But true, the idea that they would get this years 1st and 3rd plus next years 1st, is pie in the sky at this point.
RE: Cowherd said the Niners want him badly..  
Diver_Down : 3/12/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14326886 Sean said:
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but dont want to part with the 2nd pick in the draft which is what the Giants want. Id guess hed get traded for #2 if offered. I doubt that is offered though.


ProFootball Talk on NBCSN this morning had a video segment of Kyle speaking in generalities of the building of their roster. He did not mention names as it would be a blatant tampering violation, but he said that they are looking to add a WR and open to trade. He then added that they don't want to add players at the expense of the future draft picks.

It sounds to me that they have a value/price that they would be willing to part with, but the asking price is too high.

The San Fran/OBJ connection has been rumored since last year. They obviously have a strong interest, but they want their cake and to eat it too. DG needs to tell them that he is willing to listen to San Fran this year. But he also needs to let them know that DG intends to trade OBJ to whomever is at the top of the draft next year to get his guy. If San Fran is intending on picking at the top, then they can play the slow-game. But if San Fran really wants OBJ and does not intend to be in the top of the draft, then this is their chance. Negotiations start #2, their 2nd, and a conditional 2020 1st/2nd based on OBJ's performance (I suspect that should easily be a first round pick).
RE: RE: Daily dose of OB rumor clicks  
JonC : 3/12/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14326933 section125 said:
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In comment 14326922 JonC said:


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I see.

Me thinks the disappointing AB trade haul doesn't bode well for moving OB soon.



I don't think Odell is going anywhere, but just because Pitt got squat for AB, doesn't mean the Giants wouldn't get more for Odell. The Steelers had to trade AB, everyone knew it. The Giants don't have to trade Odell.
But true, the idea that they would get this years 1st and 3rd plus next years 1st, is pie in the sky at this point.


Total pie. The other point is OB still has to show his old explosive home run burst is back, because I didn't see it in 2018.
another article from  
SJGiant : 3/12/2019 3:41 pm : link
Cleveland. There sure is alot of talk about it.
Wishfull thinking - ( New Window )
Done deal according to Jordan Zirm  
Giants in 07 : 3/12/2019 3:52 pm : link
Who's that? No idea, but he's getting very official and important text messages

RE: Done deal according to Jordan Zirm  
DanMetroMan : 3/12/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14327066 Giants in 07 said:
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Who's that? No idea, but he's getting very official and important text messages



Not being a dick but it flat out says "24 hours to shop the deal" which means it's not a "done deal" even if this guy were legit.
RE: RE: Done deal according to Jordan Zirm  
Giants in 07 : 3/12/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14327089 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14327066 Giants in 07 said:


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Who's that? No idea, but he's getting very official and important text messages





Not being a dick but it flat out says "24 hours to shop the deal" which means it's not a "done deal" even if this guy were legit.


I was being sarcastic.. Highly doubt Jordan Zirm is the only one in the world on this scoop
Great source! There's smoke!!  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2019 4:02 pm : link
Jordan ZirmVerified account
@clevezirm
Words for @Uproxx | Host of The Rebuild podcast | Producer for @ThomaHawkShow | Sandwich enthusiast | @Mizzou alum jazirm@gmail.com
I'm going to set myself up with a Twitter account  
Greg from LI : 3/12/2019 4:26 pm : link
And just start throwing out imaginary bullshit to see how much of it gets spread as legitimate rumors.
pfffftt...  
Torrag : 3/12/2019 4:39 pm : link
...
RE: I'm going to set myself up with a Twitter account  
HoustonGiant : 3/12/2019 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14327167 Greg from LI said:
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And just start throwing out imaginary bullshit to see how much of it gets spread as legitimate rumors.


You know BBI will take the bait!
RE: Done deal according to Jordan Zirm  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2019 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14327066 Giants in 07 said:
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Who's that? No idea, but he's getting very official and important text messages



Jordan Zirm?

RE: Beckham being traded gets talk about almost  
Britt in VA : 3/12/2019 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14326750 Dave in Hoboken said:
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all of the time, yet never happens.

Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.


Great question.
Fucking hilarious  
Go Terps : 3/12/2019 8:08 pm : link
.
RE: Beckham being traded gets talk about almost  
Stan in LA : 3/13/2019 3:03 pm : link
In comment 14326750 Dave in Hoboken said:
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all of the time, yet never happens.

Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.

Want to get away?
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