Just talked to a team that is convinced if someone makes the Giants the right offer, Beckham will be traded and Beckham has a very short list of where he wants to go.
"Teams have absolutely called and talked to the Giants and they've taken the calls and had conversations... They're certainly listening, but their asking price right now is ridiculous for him." @JayGlazer with the latest on the Giants and Odell Beckham Jr.
"Teams have absolutely called and talked to the Giants and they've taken the calls and had conversations... They're certainly listening, but their asking price right now is ridiculous for him." @JayGlazer with the latest on the Giants and Odell Beckham Jr.
The same guy who said he would be traded this offseason
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I didn't buy my lunch to sell it.
"I'll give you $5 for it."
I didn't buy my lunch to sell it. Smells good though, doesn't it?
"I'll give you $10 for it."
I didn't buy my lunch to sell it. And it's gonna taste really good.
"I'll give you $100 for it."
Sold!
Either someone offers you the moon and you take it, or you don't trade him.
The absolute worst thing NYG can do right now is send Beckham somewhere in a "get rid of him" deal for unequal value. Gettleman will lose me immediately if he does that.
Because this year's 2nd and next year's 1st from San Francisco would go a pretty long way in reshaping this franchise, plus moving out a guy who doesn't really want to be here.
Because this year's 2nd and next year's 1st from San Francisco would go a pretty long way in reshaping this franchise, plus moving out a guy who doesn't really want to be here.
evidence Beckham doesn't want to be here, in fact he seems to love NY. He's a HOF caliber talent. You don't trade that kind of guy for a few picks just because. You need to be blown away.
that ESPN interview was as pointed as it gets as far as sports interviews go.
He said he feels the Giants are holding him back from reaching his potential, that he should be getting 20 targets a game and feels like his numbers should be double or triple what they are.
Is not sure he wants to play in cold weather in New York, prefers the warm climate of LA.
When asked directly if he wanted to be in New York, he answered: This is where I'm at.
tear it down to bare minimum and that doesn't seem like the plan at all. This looks like "rebuild on the fly". That plan may be dubious, but there's no indication they're tearing it down.
Alternately, they could offer a herschel walker level overwhelming offer, but that's really unlikely too.
also, Mike Lombardi doesn't know shit.
I get that you guys like Beckham but there is more than just smoke....
that he prefers to be somewhere else. I'd revisit that interview.
Or, we can just listen to things he said since - but I know how it goes, we'll just assume nothing has been said to the contrary since.
Certainly nothing like this...
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If it took that for us to come together as a team, like we did today, I can take that every single time.
If it took that to get us going, Im trying to be a leader. This is a position that Ive never been in. Im trying to grow. Im learning on the fly. But, Im proud of where we went today. We gave it our all. We came [back] against adversity, and calls here and there. We can never rely on the refs to win the game, but there were calls here or there that were questionable, and we kept fighting. We kept fighting. Thats all I could ask for.
Maybe he's just tired of fucking losing like everyone else.
maybe he's tired of a geriatric, rapidly declining QB
that ESPN interview was as pointed as it gets as far as sports interviews go.
He said he feels the Giants are holding him back from reaching his potential, that he should be getting 20 targets a game and feels like his numbers should be double or triple what they are.
Is not sure he wants to play in cold weather in New York, prefers the warm climate of LA.
When asked directly if he wanted to be in New York, he answered: This is where I'm at.
I still like him, but that interview really pissed me off. Can't imagine how Giants brass reacted.
I think he gets one last chance. If he does something again, they'll trade him (just a guess)
don't want OBJ traded, but acknowledge the problem has always been compensation. The Giants want more than any team is willing to offer. That has been known since last season.
If a trade does not happen, does Beckham have the emotional maturity to handle a. the rumors that he was on the block, and b. another season rebuilding.
Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.
RE: I get that you guys like Beckham but there is more than just smoke....
BUT - I'm starting to come around to it.
If the Giants pick #2 (from SF) and #6 they will have a chance to reshape the entire organization moving forward.
It would also make this year's draft the most interesting in Giants history (maybe).
(I posted this on the wrong thread earlier -sorry - jeez, then I did it again! I need more coffee)
Do the Giants take 2 edge rushers and re-define the defense and give it an identity? Do they take a QB and a RT and get the offense set for the next 5 years and fix the defense next year when Eli is off the books? Do they take an edge and RT? A edge and a QB?
It would certainly make this draft very interesting.
"and Beckham has a very short list of where he wants to go."
Unless he has a trade clause, it doesn't really matter where he wants to go, and we shouldn't take it into consideration.
Personally, while not giving him away, I wonder if it would be worthwhile lowering our demands? If he's just going to be a jackass, and if we're not likely to win this year, and if he becomes a likely trade next year, maybe we should just get on with rebuilding the team now.
Click bait. Click discussion. nothing new in either.
If a trade does not happen, does Beckham have the emotional maturity to handle a. the rumors that he was on the block, and b. another season rebuilding.
Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.
If a trade does not happen, does Beckham have the emotional maturity to handle a. the rumors that he was on the block, and b. another season rebuilding.
Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.
What choice does he have?
He can play or not. He signed a contract.
The choice that he has is he can make life miserable for the Giants organization and fans.
This isn't a rumor. The Giants are not shopping OBJ, and unless some team is stupid enough to overwhelm the Giants with an unsolicited offer they might listen.
Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.
If a trade does not happen, does Beckham have the emotional maturity to handle a. the rumors that he was on the block, and b. another season rebuilding.
Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.
What choice does he have?
He can play or not. He signed a contract.
The choice that he has is he can make life miserable for the Giants organization and fans.
By doing what? Complaining?
A team that lets a player hold them hostage has no one to blame but themselves.
If he makes a huge deal, bench him. I don't care. He'll figure out that he can either play football or sit on the sidelines and not. Up to him. My guess is he'll want to play football.
Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.
"My life is the complete opposite of everything I want it to be. Every instinct I have in every aspect of life, be it something to wear, something to eat Its often wrong.
If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right.
I would trade Beckham -- but only if it made the Giants a better team -- this means I want proven players (more than one) and high draft picks (more than 1) - preferably a combination of a least 5 proven players and high draft picks -- without that I don't do it
If a trade does not happen, does Beckham have the emotional maturity to handle a. the rumors that he was on the block, and b. another season rebuilding.
Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.
What choice does he have?
He can play or not. He signed a contract.
The choice that he has is he can make life miserable for the Giants organization and fans.
I don't know about you, but OBJ has no ability to make my life miserable
appear to be anything new from what we have already been hearing. There was an article earlier stating that potential suitors are backing out once they hear what DG wants. It appears he is not on the market, but if a team want to offer a king's ransom, DG is willing to listen.
Its fun not participating in an OBJ back and forths
Why are people still talking like it definitely won't happen?
The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.
As for the argument "well why did he sign here then"
This is the new norm for pro athletes. Sign a deal, get that guaranteed $$$ and then if you want out kick and scream. Financial security triumphs all.
And for the people saying he doesn't want out, take Britt's advice and listen to that interview again. You pull that kinda shit more than once, your days are numbered.
Why are people still talking like it definitely won't happen?
The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.
As for the argument "well why did he sign here then"
This is the new norm for pro athletes. Sign a deal, get that guaranteed $$$ and then if you want out kick and scream. Financial security triumphs all.
And for the people saying he doesn't want out, take Britt's advice and listen to that interview again. You pull that kinda shit more than once, your days are numbered.
Also, any reporter that says the Giants are waiting to be blown away with an offer should have his (or her) keyboard taken away. Every team in the NFL is waiting to hear of an offer that blows them away, and essentially zero NFL teams are willing to make an offer that blows the other team away. When was the last time that happened... Herschel Walker?
Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.
You think a "Hershal Walker" type trades happen this day and age? Or the Giants would be ok with a $35 mil dead money for something less? Now, if talking 2020, there is more of a chance but still
was what did it for me.
They have literally no safeties on the roster.
They have not one legitimate pass rusher.
They are rebuilding the OL and DL.
They have a growing problem with one of their star players - and it appears more and more every day that they are going to move on from him.
They have made exactly zero FA news.
I can't explain the Eli thing. It doesn't make any sense to me.
But aside from Eli - this whole operation reeks of total overall - and I'm totally excited by it.
RE: Of the most ridiculous things I've read on BBI
nearing the top is the 'Beckham didn't want to be here but stayed for the money' argument.
As if OBJ would be sitting outside of MetLife with a hat taking up collections if the Giants didn't pay him.
He probably got his money a lot sooner with nyg rather than demand a trade and wait for nyg to get what they would have wanted for him. I'd say he's split, half of him wants to be the other half doesn't judging by what he says.
FA basically just started. They haven't made news because we have limited cap space and this isn't going to be a spending spree year.
Letting Collins go made sense. Rebuilding or not.
But we're not going to be big players in FA this year regardless.
Obviously parts of the team need to be rebuilt - but if they were truly going to rip the whole thing apart, Eli wouldn't be here. Eli being here is completely contradictory of a complete teardown.
this offense has a chance to be pretty good. A defense lacking in talent might negate it all and it ends in another losing season. But Odell could be primed for a big year. Will that be enough to keep him happy despite likely another season out of the playoffs? I'm not sure. I think the guy just wants to win and any frustration with his situation here is simply tied to losing.
this offense has a chance to be pretty good. A defense lacking in talent might negate it all and it ends in another losing season. But Odell could be primed for a big year. Will that be enough to keep him happy despite likely another season out of the playoffs? I'm not sure. I think the guy just wants to win and any frustration with his situation here is simply tied to losing.
It was "average" last year - and that's actually not bad when you consider how absolutely pathetic we were in 2017 (and really 2016, too) on that side of the football.
I know some people think there was no difference between 2017 and 2018 - but I think offensively, there was a pretty noticeable one as the year went on.
We can and should strive for better than average - love adding Zeitler - need a healthy Beckham, Engram found a role later in the year.. Barkley in year 2 with better blocking in front of him.
I actually think the offense is going to be totally fine. Should be close to top 10 if not just inside of it.
being here is the only part of this rebuild that seems out of place.
I also believe that Eli being the QB this year will be the only thing that holds this offense back. I agree with many that the alternatives to Eli available to the NYG are not going to help with the rebuild either - so they went with what they had.
If you believe that the entire defense constitutes "some of the team is being rebuilt" - then I agree.
This team has no chance with what they will put out there on defense this year and the QB they will run out there to lead the offense (if it is indeed Eli).
To me - the rebuild is underway. I think dealing OBJ for the #2 pick in the draft will help the process move along better and quicker.
This is DG's team now - and he's making moves (in my opinion) that reflect his belief on what a winning roster should look like.
If someone makes you an offer you can't refuse, take it.
They haven't won with Beckham. They aren't close to competing for a championship. That said, I would think they would prefer if it was an AFC team.
I assume he'd go to Cleveland, Oakland, San Fran and Rams.
The question is would Oakland go all in? Would they come with the 4th and 22nd?
If that deal was on the table, given the Giants current state of affairs, don't you have to take it?
I don't see Oakland doing that.
Teams around the league probably already know that DG's asking price would be extremely high based on last year, they're not going to even bother making an offer.
if they take JUST #2 for OBJ....i will ever root for this scrub team again.
Ill bet my steak to your hotdog that OBJ has a better career than whoever is drafted at #2.
sure i cant know who is going #2 and what they will be but i know OBJ is a HoF talent without a doubt. thats good enough odds for me.
trading him for #2 and thats it is a fucking disaster of a move.
Top 3 WRs don't grow on trees. Especially not like OBJ.
I think there are lot of old Giant fans that want him gone for the tats, the hair and the TD celebrations.
With Saquon, Engram and Shephard we don't need an absolute top 5 WR to have an effective passing game especially with an improved OL and Saquon at RB.
An Amari Cooper level guy for instance would probably still give us an effective pass game.
No shit? You realize Amari Cooper was the 4th pick in the entire fucking draft the year he came out. That is not some ham and egger you are talking about.
You could take that sentence and change the name of the team and the player (except for maybe Chiefs and Pat Mahomes) and it would be true. Sure it might take your next five first round picks but anyone could be had for the right price
Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.
You think a "Hershal Walker" type trades happen this day and age? Or the Giants would be ok with a $35 mil dead money for something less? Now, if talking 2020, there is more of a chance but still
Let's be clear. It is $16M this year and $12M next year (the dead cap hit). Quit reading the headlines. OBJ's inflated guaranteed contract includes guaranteed salaries that the new team will be on the hook for. If people think $16M is too much for DG to eat, then they haven't been paying attention. We ate JPP's contract for a third last year.
Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
Based on eveything that comes from the Giants side regarding any deal
It would have to be an incredible haul of a deal. It's not even about eating dead money, though that number is significant. They don't want to trade him, so it makes sense that the Giants don't have any interest in eating dead money to trade a player they don't want to trade.
Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
Anak, I was just watching the segment and she added that the original team (inferring San Fran) is still in talks. That extra isn't mentioned in her tweet.
I would trade Beckham -- but only if it made the Giants a better team -- this means I want proven players (more than one) and high draft picks (more than 1) - preferably a combination of a least 5 proven players and high draft picks -- without that I don't do it
It's gotta be a Hershel Walker deal
Exactly! We need a "fleecing" type deal from a team that feels it is a WR away from a SB.
If you get say a 2nd/3rd year veteran OL clear upgrade; a 2nd/3rd year FS upgrade and a first & 3rd this year and 2nd next year, maybe you want to pull the trigger? But that is getting a lot for a guy who gets hurt a lot in OBJ.
I will add this: during the season, say 4 or 5 games in; if a team loses a starting WR to injury and is a WR away from being a true, bonafide contender, you might trade OBJ for a pair of #1's and a player who starts for us at a position of need. But we'd have to be like 1 -4 and clearly not contenders again, which very well may happen
Amari Cooper was the 4th pick in the draft. We're going to trade OBJ for a draft pick that we can then use on a WR and hope he's a quality pro? Has anybody noticed the crazy contracts being given to mediocre WRs? Or all the top teams that have recently traded to acquire WR talent. Top end gamebreaking WRs are hard to find, and they are essential to success in the current NFL.
The Giants do not have a single player on the roster who is close to a WR1. And after Shepard, they don't really even have anyone who is more than a WR3. Based on two games late in the season you're going to argue Engram is suddenly Travis Kelce? In today's NFL, without two legitimate offensive playmakers, you're not going to do very much. Saquon is a special talent, but if the Giants can't stretch the field, he will be bottled up and beat up, and we will diminish his value in the present and for the future. If the Giants think they're in full on rebuild, then maybe you can make an argument for a trade that nets you a massive haul. But otherwise, you're just making the team worse in the short and long-term.
You all complain about them operating like a family when it comes to the QB.
Now we're supposed to believe that the Giants have open phone lines regarding their best and most beloved players? That would be a real change in philosophy.
That would be a dumb policy to believe that they don't even listen
How do you think the Zeitler trade happened, when he was part of the rumored Beckham deal? The Browns called about Beckham, got told no, but learned Zeitler could be had.
Didn't Gettleman tell them to hang up the phones....
but dont want to part with the 2nd pick in the draft which is what the Giants want. Id guess hed get traded for #2 if offered. I doubt that is offered though.
Or were they told no to that offer but keep trying?
Seems like the latter.
Yes they were told no. They ended up trading an excellent Guard to the Giants for a player the Giants were *you're not gonna believe this* actually trying to trade. It's weird how we knew the Giants were trying to trade Olivier Vernon, yet somehow all we keep hearing is that they have no intention of trading Beckham.
but dont want to part with the 2nd pick in the draft which is what the Giants want. Id guess hed get traded for #2 if offered. I doubt that is offered though.
Think about the deviation between the reality and what some people here think the Giants should get. There are people saying SF should give up the #2 pick overall, their first rounder next year, and more.
What a gift it would be if we could be sitting with 2 picks in the top 6 & trade our second round pick for Rosen. Talk about accelerating a rebuild.
That would be insane; just as SF would be insane to offer the #2 pick for the right to pay Beckham.
I wonder if they'd say yes to next year's first rounder and another pick. Figure Eli's the QB in 2019 anyway; Gettleman may want to load up on ammo to get one of the QBs next year.
with picks #2 and #6.
Imagine a J. Allen and N. Bosa to start a rebuild on that defense.
Pair that with what we already have on the DL.
DG is all about making the OL/DL the strength of the football team...
I love this plan
We have no defense & a ton of money committed to skill positions, it makes sense.
Also, there is an element here to collect assets which is something the Eagles did brilliantly leading up to Wentz. Im fine passing on QB this year, but Gettleman better have assets lined up to have flexibility in April 2020.
Me thinks the disappointing AB trade haul doesn't bode well for moving OB soon.
I don't think Odell is going anywhere, but just because Pitt got squat for AB, doesn't mean the Giants wouldn't get more for Odell. The Steelers had to trade AB, everyone knew it. The Giants don't have to trade Odell.
But true, the idea that they would get this years 1st and 3rd plus next years 1st, is pie in the sky at this point.
but dont want to part with the 2nd pick in the draft which is what the Giants want. Id guess hed get traded for #2 if offered. I doubt that is offered though.
ProFootball Talk on NBCSN this morning had a video segment of Kyle speaking in generalities of the building of their roster. He did not mention names as it would be a blatant tampering violation, but he said that they are looking to add a WR and open to trade. He then added that they don't want to add players at the expense of the future draft picks.
It sounds to me that they have a value/price that they would be willing to part with, but the asking price is too high.
The San Fran/OBJ connection has been rumored since last year. They obviously have a strong interest, but they want their cake and to eat it too. DG needs to tell them that he is willing to listen to San Fran this year. But he also needs to let them know that DG intends to trade OBJ to whomever is at the top of the draft next year to get his guy. If San Fran is intending on picking at the top, then they can play the slow-game. But if San Fran really wants OBJ and does not intend to be in the top of the draft, then this is their chance. Negotiations start #2, their 2nd, and a conditional 2020 1st/2nd based on OBJ's performance (I suspect that should easily be a first round pick).
Me thinks the disappointing AB trade haul doesn't bode well for moving OB soon.
I don't think Odell is going anywhere, but just because Pitt got squat for AB, doesn't mean the Giants wouldn't get more for Odell. The Steelers had to trade AB, everyone knew it. The Giants don't have to trade Odell.
But true, the idea that they would get this years 1st and 3rd plus next years 1st, is pie in the sky at this point.
Total pie. The other point is OB still has to show his old explosive home run burst is back, because I didn't see it in 2018.
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I didn't buy my lunch to sell it.
"I'll give you $5 for it."
I didn't buy my lunch to sell it. Smells good though, doesn't it?
"I'll give you $10 for it."
I didn't buy my lunch to sell it. And it's gonna taste really good.
"I'll give you $100 for it."
Sold!
Either someone offers you the moon and you take it, or you don't trade him.
The absolute worst thing NYG can do right now is send Beckham somewhere in a "get rid of him" deal for unequal value. Gettleman will lose me immediately if he does that.
Win-win.
Win-win.
Doesn't want to be here? Did you talk to him?
Consider who you're talking to, one of the true dim bulbs of BBI.
Ignore it.
He said he feels the Giants are holding him back from reaching his potential, that he should be getting 20 targets a game and feels like his numbers should be double or triple what they are.
Is not sure he wants to play in cold weather in New York, prefers the warm climate of LA.
When asked directly if he wanted to be in New York, he answered: This is where I'm at.
Alternately, they could offer a herschel walker level overwhelming offer, but that's really unlikely too.
also, Mike Lombardi doesn't know shit.
That's got nothing to do with Beckham.
Ok.
Or, we can just listen to things he said since - but I know how it goes, we'll just assume nothing has been said to the contrary since.
Certainly nothing like this...
If it took that to get us going, Im trying to be a leader. This is a position that Ive never been in. Im trying to grow. Im learning on the fly. But, Im proud of where we went today. We gave it our all. We came [back] against adversity, and calls here and there. We can never rely on the refs to win the game, but there were calls here or there that were questionable, and we kept fighting. We kept fighting. Thats all I could ask for.
Maybe he's just tired of fucking losing like everyone else.
He said he feels the Giants are holding him back from reaching his potential, that he should be getting 20 targets a game and feels like his numbers should be double or triple what they are.
Is not sure he wants to play in cold weather in New York, prefers the warm climate of LA.
When asked directly if he wanted to be in New York, he answered: This is where I'm at.
I still like him, but that interview really pissed me off. Can't imagine how Giants brass reacted.
I think he gets one last chance. If he does something again, they'll trade him (just a guess)
Bingo
The guy wants to win, and knows its not happening here.
He signed here. No one forced him to.
Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.
even if he does, who cares what he wants?
If the Giants pick #2 (from SF) and #6 they will have a chance to reshape the entire organization moving forward.
It would also make this year's draft the most interesting in Giants history (maybe).
(I posted this on the wrong thread earlier -sorry - jeez, then I did it again! I need more coffee)
Do the Giants take 2 edge rushers and re-define the defense and give it an identity? Do they take a QB and a RT and get the offense set for the next 5 years and fix the defense next year when Eli is off the books? Do they take an edge and RT? A edge and a QB?
It would certainly make this draft very interesting.
Unless he has a trade clause, it doesn't really matter where he wants to go, and we shouldn't take it into consideration.
Personally, while not giving him away, I wonder if it would be worthwhile lowering our demands? If he's just going to be a jackass, and if we're not likely to win this year, and if he becomes a likely trade next year, maybe we should just get on with rebuilding the team now.
Click bait. Click discussion. nothing new in either.
Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.
What choice does he have?
He can play or not. He signed a contract.
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If a trade does not happen, does Beckham have the emotional maturity to handle a. the rumors that he was on the block, and b. another season rebuilding.
Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.
What choice does he have?
He can play or not. He signed a contract.
The choice that he has is he can make life miserable for the Giants organization and fans.
That doesn't seem like something a player would do if he didn't want to be where he was, but maybe I'm wrong.
That doesn't seem like something a player would do if he didn't want to be where he was, but maybe I'm wrong.
Because he wanted to get that contract?
Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.
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If a trade does not happen, does Beckham have the emotional maturity to handle a. the rumors that he was on the block, and b. another season rebuilding.
Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.
What choice does he have?
He can play or not. He signed a contract.
The choice that he has is he can make life miserable for the Giants organization and fans.
By doing what? Complaining?
A team that lets a player hold them hostage has no one to blame but themselves.
If he makes a huge deal, bench him. I don't care. He'll figure out that he can either play football or sit on the sidelines and not. Up to him. My guess is he'll want to play football.
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If Beckham didn't want to be here, why did he participate in camp without even having a deal done while several other players in his boat held out?
That doesn't seem like something a player would do if he didn't want to be where he was, but maybe I'm wrong.
Because he wanted to get that contract?
Yeah, and he risked getting hurt and never getting it because he wanted to be with his teammates.
Several other players didn't feel that was important and held out and did not attend their facilities.
Beckham easily could have done the same - and predictably been vilified for it even though it's common practice. But he didn't.
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He's. Not. Going. Anywhere
Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.
"My life is the complete opposite of everything I want it to be. Every instinct I have in every aspect of life, be it something to wear, something to eat Its often wrong.
If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right.
yes -- this is salient
I would trade Beckham -- but only if it made the Giants a better team -- this means I want proven players (more than one) and high draft picks (more than 1) - preferably a combination of a least 5 proven players and high draft picks -- without that I don't do it
It's gotta be a Hershel Walker deal
$95 million reasons...
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If a trade does not happen, does Beckham have the emotional maturity to handle a. the rumors that he was on the block, and b. another season rebuilding.
Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.
What choice does he have?
He can play or not. He signed a contract.
The choice that he has is he can make life miserable for the Giants organization and fans.
I don't know about you, but OBJ has no ability to make my life miserable
Do you ever get tired of being utterly, completely full of shit?
The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.
As for the argument "well why did he sign here then"
This is the new norm for pro athletes. Sign a deal, get that guaranteed $$$ and then if you want out kick and scream. Financial security triumphs all.
And for the people saying he doesn't want out, take Britt's advice and listen to that interview again. You pull that kinda shit more than once, your days are numbered.
Last thing I want on my team is Unhappy Beckham,I don't even want Regular Beckham.
Well, yeah, which is probably true for just about every player on the roster.
That's totally how the Giants operate!
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The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.
Well, yeah, which is probably true for just about every player on the roster.
Wait - you mean to tell me that if a team A offers exactly what team B is asking for, team B is going to take the deal?!
That's crazy. I didn't know it worked like that.
The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.
As for the argument "well why did he sign here then"
This is the new norm for pro athletes. Sign a deal, get that guaranteed $$$ and then if you want out kick and scream. Financial security triumphs all.
And for the people saying he doesn't want out, take Britt's advice and listen to that interview again. You pull that kinda shit more than once, your days are numbered.
100% gone?
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The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.
Well, yeah, which is probably true for just about every player on the roster.
If San Fran offered the #2 overall for Barkley right now, would the Giants take it?
Now, if San Fran offered the #2 overall for Beckham right now, would the Giants take it?
So it's not exactly apples to apples here.
...is that OBJ will be playing for the Giants.
Also, any reporter that says the Giants are waiting to be blown away with an offer should have his (or her) keyboard taken away. Every team in the NFL is waiting to hear of an offer that blows them away, and essentially zero NFL teams are willing to make an offer that blows the other team away. When was the last time that happened... Herschel Walker?
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He's. Not. Going. Anywhere
Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.
You think a "Hershal Walker" type trades happen this day and age? Or the Giants would be ok with a $35 mil dead money for something less? Now, if talking 2020, there is more of a chance but still
Not saying it can't happen, just that WE would suddenly become an area of dire need.
...and please no Engram to WR crap.
Not saying it can't happen, just that WE would suddenly become an area of dire need.
...and please no Engram to WR crap.
The Giants have exactly one area of positional grouping strength on the roster right now - RB
That's it.
Time to blow it all up and start over.
Based on the Giants moves in FA right now - I think they finally see that's the only way to go.
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are incredibly thin at WR as it is. With Beckham gone you'd have a good slot guy and not much else.
Not saying it can't happen, just that WE would suddenly become an area of dire need.
...and please no Engram to WR crap.
The Giants have exactly one area of positional grouping strength on the roster right now - RB
That's it.
Time to blow it all up and start over.
Based on the Giants moves in FA right now - I think they finally see that's the only way to go.
The moves they've made tell you they're blowing it up and starting all over?
Eli being under center again should tell you the exact opposite.
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are incredibly thin at WR as it is. With Beckham gone you'd have a good slot guy and not much else.
Not saying it can't happen, just that WE would suddenly become an area of dire need.
...and please no Engram to WR crap.
The Giants have exactly one area of positional grouping strength on the roster right now - RB
That's it.
Time to blow it all up and start over.
Based on the Giants moves in FA right now - I think they finally see that's the only way to go.
The moves they've made tell you they're blowing it up and starting all over?
Eli being under center again should tell you the exact opposite.
So if they are intent on following the KC model and no drafted QB this season, we can expect to see Eli being under center again in 2020 as well.
As if OBJ would be sitting outside of MetLife with a hat taking up collections if the Giants didn't pay him.
They have literally no safeties on the roster.
They have not one legitimate pass rusher.
They are rebuilding the OL and DL.
They have a growing problem with one of their star players - and it appears more and more every day that they are going to move on from him.
They have made exactly zero FA news.
I can't explain the Eli thing. It doesn't make any sense to me.
But aside from Eli - this whole operation reeks of total overall - and I'm totally excited by it.
As if OBJ would be sitting outside of MetLife with a hat taking up collections if the Giants didn't pay him.
He probably got his money a lot sooner with nyg rather than demand a trade and wait for nyg to get what they would have wanted for him. I'd say he's split, half of him wants to be the other half doesn't judging by what he says.
Letting Collins go made sense. Rebuilding or not.
But we're not going to be big players in FA this year regardless.
Obviously parts of the team need to be rebuilt - but if they were truly going to rip the whole thing apart, Eli wouldn't be here. Eli being here is completely contradictory of a complete teardown.
Then if they did make a splash you'd be complaining about the money no doubt.
It's like some of you have a script titled "Bullshit to say after the first day of free agency" that you pull off a book shelf every March.
It was "average" last year - and that's actually not bad when you consider how absolutely pathetic we were in 2017 (and really 2016, too) on that side of the football.
I know some people think there was no difference between 2017 and 2018 - but I think offensively, there was a pretty noticeable one as the year went on.
We can and should strive for better than average - love adding Zeitler - need a healthy Beckham, Engram found a role later in the year.. Barkley in year 2 with better blocking in front of him.
I actually think the offense is going to be totally fine. Should be close to top 10 if not just inside of it.
If not, something is amiss.
They haven't won with Beckham. They aren't close to competing for a championship. That said, I would think they would prefer if it was an AFC team.
I assume he'd go to Cleveland, Oakland, San Fran and Rams.
The question is would Oakland go all in? Would they come with the 4th and 22nd?
If that deal was on the table, given the Giants current state of affairs, don't you have to take it?
I don't see Oakland doing that.
I also believe that Eli being the QB this year will be the only thing that holds this offense back. I agree with many that the alternatives to Eli available to the NYG are not going to help with the rebuild either - so they went with what they had.
If you believe that the entire defense constitutes "some of the team is being rebuilt" - then I agree.
This team has no chance with what they will put out there on defense this year and the QB they will run out there to lead the offense (if it is indeed Eli).
To me - the rebuild is underway. I think dealing OBJ for the #2 pick in the draft will help the process move along better and quicker.
This is DG's team now - and he's making moves (in my opinion) that reflect his belief on what a winning roster should look like.
Just my 2 cents.
They haven't won with Beckham. They aren't close to competing for a championship. That said, I would think they would prefer if it was an AFC team.
I assume he'd go to Cleveland, Oakland, San Fran and Rams.
The question is would Oakland go all in? Would they come with the 4th and 22nd?
If that deal was on the table, given the Giants current state of affairs, don't you have to take it?
I don't see Oakland doing that.
Oakland just signed Antonio Brown. Oakland isnt happening.
I think there are lot of old Giant fans that want him gone for the tats, the hair and the TD celebrations.
They haven't won with Beckham. They aren't close to competing for a championship. That said, I would think they would prefer if it was an AFC team.
I assume he'd go to Cleveland, Oakland, San Fran and Rams.
The question is would Oakland go all in? Would they come with the 4th and 22nd?
If that deal was on the table, given the Giants current state of affairs, don't you have to take it?
I don't see Oakland doing that.
Teams around the league probably already know that DG's asking price would be extremely high based on last year, they're not going to even bother making an offer.
I think there are lot of old Giant fans that want him gone for the tats, the hair and the TD celebrations.
With Saquon, Engram and Shephard we don't need an absolute top 5 WR to have an effective passing game especially with an improved OL and Saquon at RB.
An Amari Cooper level guy for instance would probably still give us an effective pass game.
Ill bet my steak to your hotdog that OBJ has a better career than whoever is drafted at #2.
sure i cant know who is going #2 and what they will be but i know OBJ is a HoF talent without a doubt. thats good enough odds for me.
trading him for #2 and thats it is a fucking disaster of a move.
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Top 3 WRs don't grow on trees. Especially not like OBJ.
I think there are lot of old Giant fans that want him gone for the tats, the hair and the TD celebrations.
With Saquon, Engram and Shephard we don't need an absolute top 5 WR to have an effective passing game especially with an improved OL and Saquon at RB.
An Amari Cooper level guy for instance would probably still give us an effective pass game.
1st this year, and 2020 1st is my guess.
Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
It gets Twitter click hits from all the supposed "reporters" floating those rumors.
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He's. Not. Going. Anywhere
Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.
You think a "Hershal Walker" type trades happen this day and age? Or the Giants would be ok with a $35 mil dead money for something less? Now, if talking 2020, there is more of a chance but still
Let's be clear. It is $16M this year and $12M next year (the dead cap hit). Quit reading the headlines. OBJ's inflated guaranteed contract includes guaranteed salaries that the new team will be on the hook for. If people think $16M is too much for DG to eat, then they haven't been paying attention. We ate JPP's contract for a third last year.
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Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
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Anak, I was just watching the segment and she added that the original team (inferring San Fran) is still in talks. That extra isn't mentioned in her tweet.
I wonder how that works?
I wonder how that works?
How it works is team contact them to make offers, and the Giants laugh at them.
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/08/new-york-giants-laughed-at-browns-trade-offer-odell-beckham-jr/
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Why did he re-sign with NYG?
yes -- this is salient
I would trade Beckham -- but only if it made the Giants a better team -- this means I want proven players (more than one) and high draft picks (more than 1) - preferably a combination of a least 5 proven players and high draft picks -- without that I don't do it
It's gotta be a Hershel Walker deal
If you get say a 2nd/3rd year veteran OL clear upgrade; a 2nd/3rd year FS upgrade and a first & 3rd this year and 2nd next year, maybe you want to pull the trigger? But that is getting a lot for a guy who gets hurt a lot in OBJ.
I will add this: during the season, say 4 or 5 games in; if a team loses a starting WR to injury and is a WR away from being a true, bonafide contender, you might trade OBJ for a pair of #1's and a player who starts for us at a position of need. But we'd have to be like 1 -4 and clearly not contenders again, which very well may happen
The Giants do not have a single player on the roster who is close to a WR1. And after Shepard, they don't really even have anyone who is more than a WR3. Based on two games late in the season you're going to argue Engram is suddenly Travis Kelce? In today's NFL, without two legitimate offensive playmakers, you're not going to do very much. Saquon is a special talent, but if the Giants can't stretch the field, he will be bottled up and beat up, and we will diminish his value in the present and for the future. If the Giants think they're in full on rebuild, then maybe you can make an argument for a trade that nets you a massive haul. But otherwise, you're just making the team worse in the short and long-term.
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Top 3 WRs don't grow on trees. Especially not like OBJ.
I think there are lot of old Giant fans that want him gone for the tats, the hair and the TD celebrations.
With Saquon, Engram and Shephard we don't need an absolute top 5 WR to have an effective passing game especially with an improved OL and Saquon at RB.
An Amari Cooper level guy for instance would probably still give us an effective pass game.
If you need to be blown away to make a deal, that is precisely 'not wanting to trade a player'.
You all complain about them operating like a family when it comes to the QB.
Now we're supposed to believe that the Giants have open phone lines regarding their best and most beloved players? That would be a real change in philosophy.
How do you think the Zeitler trade happened, when he was part of the rumored Beckham deal? The Browns called about Beckham, got told no, but learned Zeitler could be had.
Seems like the latter.
Seems like the latter.
Yes they were told no. They ended up trading an excellent Guard to the Giants for a player the Giants were *you're not gonna believe this* actually trying to trade. It's weird how we knew the Giants were trying to trade Olivier Vernon, yet somehow all we keep hearing is that they have no intention of trading Beckham.
Think about the deviation between the reality and what some people here think the Giants should get. There are people saying SF should give up the #2 pick overall, their first rounder next year, and more.
I would think about it for SF's 2019 1st, 2nd and 2020 1st along with DeForest.
Otherwise no way.
That would be insane; just as SF would be insane to offer the #2 pick for the right to pay Beckham.
I wonder if they'd say yes to next year's first rounder and another pick. Figure Eli's the QB in 2019 anyway; Gettleman may want to load up on ammo to get one of the QBs next year.
Me thinks the disappointing AB trade haul doesn't bode well for moving OB soon.
Imagine a J. Allen and N. Bosa to start a rebuild on that defense.
Pair that with what we already have on the DL.
DG is all about making the OL/DL the strength of the football team...
I love this plan
Me thinks the disappointing AB trade haul doesn't bode well for moving OB soon.
I don't know if I'd say that for Lombardi. He's been consistent all offseason that Beckham wouldn't be traded.
Also, there is an element here to collect assets which is something the Eagles did brilliantly leading up to Wentz. Im fine passing on QB this year, but Gettleman better have assets lined up to have flexibility in April 2020.
Me thinks the disappointing AB trade haul doesn't bode well for moving OB soon.
I don't think Odell is going anywhere, but just because Pitt got squat for AB, doesn't mean the Giants wouldn't get more for Odell. The Steelers had to trade AB, everyone knew it. The Giants don't have to trade Odell.
But true, the idea that they would get this years 1st and 3rd plus next years 1st, is pie in the sky at this point.
ProFootball Talk on NBCSN this morning had a video segment of Kyle speaking in generalities of the building of their roster. He did not mention names as it would be a blatant tampering violation, but he said that they are looking to add a WR and open to trade. He then added that they don't want to add players at the expense of the future draft picks.
It sounds to me that they have a value/price that they would be willing to part with, but the asking price is too high.
The San Fran/OBJ connection has been rumored since last year. They obviously have a strong interest, but they want their cake and to eat it too. DG needs to tell them that he is willing to listen to San Fran this year. But he also needs to let them know that DG intends to trade OBJ to whomever is at the top of the draft next year to get his guy. If San Fran is intending on picking at the top, then they can play the slow-game. But if San Fran really wants OBJ and does not intend to be in the top of the draft, then this is their chance. Negotiations start #2, their 2nd, and a conditional 2020 1st/2nd based on OBJ's performance (I suspect that should easily be a first round pick).
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Me thinks the disappointing AB trade haul doesn't bode well for moving OB soon.
I don't think Odell is going anywhere, but just because Pitt got squat for AB, doesn't mean the Giants wouldn't get more for Odell. The Steelers had to trade AB, everyone knew it. The Giants don't have to trade Odell.
But true, the idea that they would get this years 1st and 3rd plus next years 1st, is pie in the sky at this point.
Total pie. The other point is OB still has to show his old explosive home run burst is back, because I didn't see it in 2018.
Wishfull thinking - ( New Window )
Not being a dick but it flat out says "24 hours to shop the deal" which means it's not a "done deal" even if this guy were legit.
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Who's that? No idea, but he's getting very official and important text messages
Not being a dick but it flat out says "24 hours to shop the deal" which means it's not a "done deal" even if this guy were legit.
I was being sarcastic.. Highly doubt Jordan Zirm is the only one in the world on this scoop
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You know BBI will take the bait!
Jordan Zirm?
Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
Great question.
Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
Want to get away?