Just talked to a team that is convinced if someone makes the Giants the right offer, Beckham will be traded and Beckham has a very short list of where he wants to go.
Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.
"My life is the complete opposite of everything I want it to be. Every instinct I have in every aspect of life, be it something to wear, something to eat Its often wrong.
If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right.
I would trade Beckham -- but only if it made the Giants a better team -- this means I want proven players (more than one) and high draft picks (more than 1) - preferably a combination of a least 5 proven players and high draft picks -- without that I don't do it
If a trade does not happen, does Beckham have the emotional maturity to handle a. the rumors that he was on the block, and b. another season rebuilding.
Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.
What choice does he have?
He can play or not. He signed a contract.
The choice that he has is he can make life miserable for the Giants organization and fans.
I don't know about you, but OBJ has no ability to make my life miserable
appear to be anything new from what we have already been hearing. There was an article earlier stating that potential suitors are backing out once they hear what DG wants. It appears he is not on the market, but if a team want to offer a king's ransom, DG is willing to listen.
Its fun not participating in an OBJ back and forths
Why are people still talking like it definitely won't happen?
The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.
As for the argument "well why did he sign here then"
This is the new norm for pro athletes. Sign a deal, get that guaranteed $$$ and then if you want out kick and scream. Financial security triumphs all.
And for the people saying he doesn't want out, take Britt's advice and listen to that interview again. You pull that kinda shit more than once, your days are numbered.
Why are people still talking like it definitely won't happen?
The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.
As for the argument "well why did he sign here then"
This is the new norm for pro athletes. Sign a deal, get that guaranteed $$$ and then if you want out kick and scream. Financial security triumphs all.
And for the people saying he doesn't want out, take Britt's advice and listen to that interview again. You pull that kinda shit more than once, your days are numbered.
Also, any reporter that says the Giants are waiting to be blown away with an offer should have his (or her) keyboard taken away. Every team in the NFL is waiting to hear of an offer that blows them away, and essentially zero NFL teams are willing to make an offer that blows the other team away. When was the last time that happened... Herschel Walker?
Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.
You think a "Hershal Walker" type trades happen this day and age? Or the Giants would be ok with a $35 mil dead money for something less? Now, if talking 2020, there is more of a chance but still
was what did it for me.
They have literally no safeties on the roster.
They have not one legitimate pass rusher.
They are rebuilding the OL and DL.
They have a growing problem with one of their star players - and it appears more and more every day that they are going to move on from him.
They have made exactly zero FA news.
I can't explain the Eli thing. It doesn't make any sense to me.
But aside from Eli - this whole operation reeks of total overall - and I'm totally excited by it.
RE: Of the most ridiculous things I've read on BBI
nearing the top is the 'Beckham didn't want to be here but stayed for the money' argument.
As if OBJ would be sitting outside of MetLife with a hat taking up collections if the Giants didn't pay him.
He probably got his money a lot sooner with nyg rather than demand a trade and wait for nyg to get what they would have wanted for him. I'd say he's split, half of him wants to be the other half doesn't judging by what he says.
FA basically just started. They haven't made news because we have limited cap space and this isn't going to be a spending spree year.
Letting Collins go made sense. Rebuilding or not.
But we're not going to be big players in FA this year regardless.
Obviously parts of the team need to be rebuilt - but if they were truly going to rip the whole thing apart, Eli wouldn't be here. Eli being here is completely contradictory of a complete teardown.
this offense has a chance to be pretty good. A defense lacking in talent might negate it all and it ends in another losing season. But Odell could be primed for a big year. Will that be enough to keep him happy despite likely another season out of the playoffs? I'm not sure. I think the guy just wants to win and any frustration with his situation here is simply tied to losing.
this offense has a chance to be pretty good. A defense lacking in talent might negate it all and it ends in another losing season. But Odell could be primed for a big year. Will that be enough to keep him happy despite likely another season out of the playoffs? I'm not sure. I think the guy just wants to win and any frustration with his situation here is simply tied to losing.
It was "average" last year - and that's actually not bad when you consider how absolutely pathetic we were in 2017 (and really 2016, too) on that side of the football.
I know some people think there was no difference between 2017 and 2018 - but I think offensively, there was a pretty noticeable one as the year went on.
We can and should strive for better than average - love adding Zeitler - need a healthy Beckham, Engram found a role later in the year.. Barkley in year 2 with better blocking in front of him.
I actually think the offense is going to be totally fine. Should be close to top 10 if not just inside of it.
being here is the only part of this rebuild that seems out of place.
I also believe that Eli being the QB this year will be the only thing that holds this offense back. I agree with many that the alternatives to Eli available to the NYG are not going to help with the rebuild either - so they went with what they had.
If you believe that the entire defense constitutes "some of the team is being rebuilt" - then I agree.
This team has no chance with what they will put out there on defense this year and the QB they will run out there to lead the offense (if it is indeed Eli).
To me - the rebuild is underway. I think dealing OBJ for the #2 pick in the draft will help the process move along better and quicker.
This is DG's team now - and he's making moves (in my opinion) that reflect his belief on what a winning roster should look like.
If someone makes you an offer you can't refuse, take it.
They haven't won with Beckham. They aren't close to competing for a championship. That said, I would think they would prefer if it was an AFC team.
I assume he'd go to Cleveland, Oakland, San Fran and Rams.
The question is would Oakland go all in? Would they come with the 4th and 22nd?
If that deal was on the table, given the Giants current state of affairs, don't you have to take it?
I don't see Oakland doing that.
Teams around the league probably already know that DG's asking price would be extremely high based on last year, they're not going to even bother making an offer.
if they take JUST #2 for OBJ....i will ever root for this scrub team again.
Ill bet my steak to your hotdog that OBJ has a better career than whoever is drafted at #2.
sure i cant know who is going #2 and what they will be but i know OBJ is a HoF talent without a doubt. thats good enough odds for me.
trading him for #2 and thats it is a fucking disaster of a move.
Top 3 WRs don't grow on trees. Especially not like OBJ.
I think there are lot of old Giant fans that want him gone for the tats, the hair and the TD celebrations.
With Saquon, Engram and Shephard we don't need an absolute top 5 WR to have an effective passing game especially with an improved OL and Saquon at RB.
An Amari Cooper level guy for instance would probably still give us an effective pass game.
No shit? You realize Amari Cooper was the 4th pick in the entire fucking draft the year he came out. That is not some ham and egger you are talking about.
You could take that sentence and change the name of the team and the player (except for maybe Chiefs and Pat Mahomes) and it would be true. Sure it might take your next five first round picks but anyone could be had for the right price
Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.
You think a "Hershal Walker" type trades happen this day and age? Or the Giants would be ok with a $35 mil dead money for something less? Now, if talking 2020, there is more of a chance but still
Let's be clear. It is $16M this year and $12M next year (the dead cap hit). Quit reading the headlines. OBJ's inflated guaranteed contract includes guaranteed salaries that the new team will be on the hook for. If people think $16M is too much for DG to eat, then they haven't been paying attention. We ate JPP's contract for a third last year.
Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
Based on eveything that comes from the Giants side regarding any deal
It would have to be an incredible haul of a deal. It's not even about eating dead money, though that number is significant. They don't want to trade him, so it makes sense that the Giants don't have any interest in eating dead money to trade a player they don't want to trade.
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If Beckham didn't want to be here, why did he participate in camp without even having a deal done while several other players in his boat held out?
That doesn't seem like something a player would do if he didn't want to be where he was, but maybe I'm wrong.
Because he wanted to get that contract?
Yeah, and he risked getting hurt and never getting it because he wanted to be with his teammates.
Several other players didn't feel that was important and held out and did not attend their facilities.
Beckham easily could have done the same - and predictably been vilified for it even though it's common practice. But he didn't.
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He's. Not. Going. Anywhere
Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.
"My life is the complete opposite of everything I want it to be. Every instinct I have in every aspect of life, be it something to wear, something to eat Its often wrong.
If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right.
yes -- this is salient
I would trade Beckham -- but only if it made the Giants a better team -- this means I want proven players (more than one) and high draft picks (more than 1) - preferably a combination of a least 5 proven players and high draft picks -- without that I don't do it
It's gotta be a Hershel Walker deal
$95 million reasons...
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If a trade does not happen, does Beckham have the emotional maturity to handle a. the rumors that he was on the block, and b. another season rebuilding.
Can he handle that? Apparently 90 million wasn't enough last year to satisfy him.
What choice does he have?
He can play or not. He signed a contract.
The choice that he has is he can make life miserable for the Giants organization and fans.
I don't know about you, but OBJ has no ability to make my life miserable
Do you ever get tired of being utterly, completely full of shit?
The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.
As for the argument "well why did he sign here then"
This is the new norm for pro athletes. Sign a deal, get that guaranteed $$$ and then if you want out kick and scream. Financial security triumphs all.
And for the people saying he doesn't want out, take Britt's advice and listen to that interview again. You pull that kinda shit more than once, your days are numbered.
Last thing I want on my team is Unhappy Beckham,I don't even want Regular Beckham.
Well, yeah, which is probably true for just about every player on the roster.
That's totally how the Giants operate!
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The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.
Well, yeah, which is probably true for just about every player on the roster.
Wait - you mean to tell me that if a team A offers exactly what team B is asking for, team B is going to take the deal?!
That's crazy. I didn't know it worked like that.
The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.
As for the argument "well why did he sign here then"
This is the new norm for pro athletes. Sign a deal, get that guaranteed $$$ and then if you want out kick and scream. Financial security triumphs all.
And for the people saying he doesn't want out, take Britt's advice and listen to that interview again. You pull that kinda shit more than once, your days are numbered.
100% gone?
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The Giants have a high price (good) but if someone meets said price, he is 100% gone.
Well, yeah, which is probably true for just about every player on the roster.
If San Fran offered the #2 overall for Barkley right now, would the Giants take it?
Now, if San Fran offered the #2 overall for Beckham right now, would the Giants take it?
So it's not exactly apples to apples here.
...is that OBJ will be playing for the Giants.
Also, any reporter that says the Giants are waiting to be blown away with an offer should have his (or her) keyboard taken away. Every team in the NFL is waiting to hear of an offer that blows them away, and essentially zero NFL teams are willing to make an offer that blows the other team away. When was the last time that happened... Herschel Walker?
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He's. Not. Going. Anywhere
Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.
You think a "Hershal Walker" type trades happen this day and age? Or the Giants would be ok with a $35 mil dead money for something less? Now, if talking 2020, there is more of a chance but still
Not saying it can't happen, just that WE would suddenly become an area of dire need.
...and please no Engram to WR crap.
Not saying it can't happen, just that WE would suddenly become an area of dire need.
...and please no Engram to WR crap.
The Giants have exactly one area of positional grouping strength on the roster right now - RB
That's it.
Time to blow it all up and start over.
Based on the Giants moves in FA right now - I think they finally see that's the only way to go.
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are incredibly thin at WR as it is. With Beckham gone you'd have a good slot guy and not much else.
Not saying it can't happen, just that WE would suddenly become an area of dire need.
...and please no Engram to WR crap.
The Giants have exactly one area of positional grouping strength on the roster right now - RB
That's it.
Time to blow it all up and start over.
Based on the Giants moves in FA right now - I think they finally see that's the only way to go.
The moves they've made tell you they're blowing it up and starting all over?
Eli being under center again should tell you the exact opposite.
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are incredibly thin at WR as it is. With Beckham gone you'd have a good slot guy and not much else.
Not saying it can't happen, just that WE would suddenly become an area of dire need.
...and please no Engram to WR crap.
The Giants have exactly one area of positional grouping strength on the roster right now - RB
That's it.
Time to blow it all up and start over.
Based on the Giants moves in FA right now - I think they finally see that's the only way to go.
The moves they've made tell you they're blowing it up and starting all over?
Eli being under center again should tell you the exact opposite.
So if they are intent on following the KC model and no drafted QB this season, we can expect to see Eli being under center again in 2020 as well.
As if OBJ would be sitting outside of MetLife with a hat taking up collections if the Giants didn't pay him.
They have literally no safeties on the roster.
They have not one legitimate pass rusher.
They are rebuilding the OL and DL.
They have a growing problem with one of their star players - and it appears more and more every day that they are going to move on from him.
They have made exactly zero FA news.
I can't explain the Eli thing. It doesn't make any sense to me.
But aside from Eli - this whole operation reeks of total overall - and I'm totally excited by it.
As if OBJ would be sitting outside of MetLife with a hat taking up collections if the Giants didn't pay him.
He probably got his money a lot sooner with nyg rather than demand a trade and wait for nyg to get what they would have wanted for him. I'd say he's split, half of him wants to be the other half doesn't judging by what he says.
Letting Collins go made sense. Rebuilding or not.
But we're not going to be big players in FA this year regardless.
Obviously parts of the team need to be rebuilt - but if they were truly going to rip the whole thing apart, Eli wouldn't be here. Eli being here is completely contradictory of a complete teardown.
Then if they did make a splash you'd be complaining about the money no doubt.
It's like some of you have a script titled "Bullshit to say after the first day of free agency" that you pull off a book shelf every March.
It was "average" last year - and that's actually not bad when you consider how absolutely pathetic we were in 2017 (and really 2016, too) on that side of the football.
I know some people think there was no difference between 2017 and 2018 - but I think offensively, there was a pretty noticeable one as the year went on.
We can and should strive for better than average - love adding Zeitler - need a healthy Beckham, Engram found a role later in the year.. Barkley in year 2 with better blocking in front of him.
I actually think the offense is going to be totally fine. Should be close to top 10 if not just inside of it.
If not, something is amiss.
They haven't won with Beckham. They aren't close to competing for a championship. That said, I would think they would prefer if it was an AFC team.
I assume he'd go to Cleveland, Oakland, San Fran and Rams.
The question is would Oakland go all in? Would they come with the 4th and 22nd?
If that deal was on the table, given the Giants current state of affairs, don't you have to take it?
I don't see Oakland doing that.
I also believe that Eli being the QB this year will be the only thing that holds this offense back. I agree with many that the alternatives to Eli available to the NYG are not going to help with the rebuild either - so they went with what they had.
If you believe that the entire defense constitutes "some of the team is being rebuilt" - then I agree.
This team has no chance with what they will put out there on defense this year and the QB they will run out there to lead the offense (if it is indeed Eli).
To me - the rebuild is underway. I think dealing OBJ for the #2 pick in the draft will help the process move along better and quicker.
This is DG's team now - and he's making moves (in my opinion) that reflect his belief on what a winning roster should look like.
Just my 2 cents.
They haven't won with Beckham. They aren't close to competing for a championship. That said, I would think they would prefer if it was an AFC team.
I assume he'd go to Cleveland, Oakland, San Fran and Rams.
The question is would Oakland go all in? Would they come with the 4th and 22nd?
If that deal was on the table, given the Giants current state of affairs, don't you have to take it?
I don't see Oakland doing that.
Oakland just signed Antonio Brown. Oakland isnt happening.
I think there are lot of old Giant fans that want him gone for the tats, the hair and the TD celebrations.
They haven't won with Beckham. They aren't close to competing for a championship. That said, I would think they would prefer if it was an AFC team.
I assume he'd go to Cleveland, Oakland, San Fran and Rams.
The question is would Oakland go all in? Would they come with the 4th and 22nd?
If that deal was on the table, given the Giants current state of affairs, don't you have to take it?
I don't see Oakland doing that.
Teams around the league probably already know that DG's asking price would be extremely high based on last year, they're not going to even bother making an offer.
I think there are lot of old Giant fans that want him gone for the tats, the hair and the TD celebrations.
With Saquon, Engram and Shephard we don't need an absolute top 5 WR to have an effective passing game especially with an improved OL and Saquon at RB.
An Amari Cooper level guy for instance would probably still give us an effective pass game.
Ill bet my steak to your hotdog that OBJ has a better career than whoever is drafted at #2.
sure i cant know who is going #2 and what they will be but i know OBJ is a HoF talent without a doubt. thats good enough odds for me.
trading him for #2 and thats it is a fucking disaster of a move.
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Top 3 WRs don't grow on trees. Especially not like OBJ.
I think there are lot of old Giant fans that want him gone for the tats, the hair and the TD celebrations.
With Saquon, Engram and Shephard we don't need an absolute top 5 WR to have an effective passing game especially with an improved OL and Saquon at RB.
An Amari Cooper level guy for instance would probably still give us an effective pass game.
1st this year, and 2020 1st is my guess.
Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
It gets Twitter click hits from all the supposed "reporters" floating those rumors.
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He's. Not. Going. Anywhere
Well, it is a done deal now. Micky, based on your insistence that Reese wasn't going anywhere, when you make a proclamation, then the likelihood of the opposite occurring is a safe bet.
You think a "Hershal Walker" type trades happen this day and age? Or the Giants would be ok with a $35 mil dead money for something less? Now, if talking 2020, there is more of a chance but still
Let's be clear. It is $16M this year and $12M next year (the dead cap hit). Quit reading the headlines. OBJ's inflated guaranteed contract includes guaranteed salaries that the new team will be on the hook for. If people think $16M is too much for DG to eat, then they haven't been paying attention. We ate JPP's contract for a third last year.
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