A Giants fan called in asking about the Giants trading for Rosen. Weis laughed and deferred the question to Papa. Papa raised concern over his work ethic and leadership ability as the Casserly report echoes what was being said about him coming out of UCLA and suggests this attitude may have followed him to Arizona. The discussion ended with a “hard pass” on Rosen...
But I doubt that we trade for Rosen.
But I doubt that we trade for Rosen.
Papa also said to Weis, Coach you said last year you would not draft Rosen and that the lack of confidence his college coach showed in him and his leadership was a huge red flag to you...
So not just Casserly report they were referencing.
But I doubt that we trade for Rosen.
I agree with both of these statements. People need to stop citing Casserly - he is a buffoon.
That said, I wish we would try to get him here. His skill set is worth the risk.
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I think Charlie Casserly is a moron.
But I doubt that we trade for Rosen.
Papa also said to Weis, Coach you said last year you would not draft Rosen and that the lack of confidence his college coach showed in him and his leadership was a huge red flag to you...
So not just Casserly report they were referencing.
Thanks JVM, I was typing this at a stop light and missed that part.
Believe nothing what you hear this time of the year. Remember, supposedly someone in Giantsland told an ESPN reporter the Giants are not going QB this year...Maybe they won't. But you cannot show your cards beforehand.
Look at the morons he has to deal with calling in.
Fans calling in to talk radio are basically the lowest common denominator of intelligence
Nothing else matters right now.
Look at the morons he has to deal with calling in.
Fans calling in to talk radio are basically the lowest common denominator of intelligence
I like to call in to sports talk shows, it makes me look half way educated!
Perhaps.
The 4 days between Kyler Murray's pro day on 3/13 and 3/17 (when Eli's roster bonus is due) will be very telling IMO.
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say so long to the Rosen talk. Nothing we've heard seems to be going in that direction
Perhaps.
The 4 days between Kyler Murray's pro day on 3/13 and 3/17 (when Eli's roster bonus is due) will be very telling IMO.
I don't see any scenario in which the Giants don't pay Eli's roster bonus. I just really hope they don't extend him.
Nothing else matters right now.
There is no way Eli isn't getting that roster bonus.
So unless you have big St Paddy plans. 3/17 is not important.
Look at the morons he has to deal with calling in.
Fans calling in to talk radio are basically the lowest common denominator of intelligence
Fair enough, but I don’t think Papa is any sort of genius either.
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March 17 and Draft Day 1.
Nothing else matters right now.
There is no way Eli isn't getting that roster bonus.
So unless you have big St Paddy plans. 3/17 is not important.
If they trade for Rosen and keep Eli it will be an enormous sentimental f%$# up. So if I am the Giants, I tell AZ, we are interested and have an offer in mind but that offer takes a hit after 3/17 bc it is a $17M hit.
that said - I highly doubt they bring in Rosen - so in the end, I think you are right.
We have heard basically nothing, period. Except for DGs saying the defense needs big help and the oline needs to be fixed, they haven't indicated what direction they will go. I do think it will be ER or pass rush @ #6 and OL at #37.
If you listen to him and Banks on gameday, they really turn the screws on things they think are off. Both are pretty solid when it comes to evaluating the state of the team.
Then you have people calling in who sound like BBI'ers rambling about there not being any plan and that they need to trade their distraction of a WR and how do you think he should respond??
There is zero evidence the NYG are in on Rosen.
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Fair enough, but I don’t think Papa is any sort of genius either.
If you listen to him and Banks on gameday, they really turn the screws on things they think are off. Both are pretty solid when it comes to evaluating the state of the team.
Then you have people calling in who sound like BBI'ers rambling about there not being any plan and that they need to trade their distraction of a WR and how do you think he should respond??
He took the job and clearly must have known what it would entail. If his opinion differs from a callers he still sounds like a dick when answering. Also, like Dottino he never has anything negative to say about anything the Giants ever do.
+1,000,000
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We'll get the RT in FA, likely the guy from Carolina since he knows DG already.
There is zero evidence the NYG are in on Rosen.
Correct.
I think that Rosen can sit behind Eli and learn how to be a professional.
He can see Eli's work ethic and attention to detail.
If you watch Rosen play last year, you can see that he has the potential to be a very good or even a great pro QB.
His stats belie his ability.I actually think more of him now then I did at the draft. He is one tough guy. He got the sh.t kicked out of him yet he kept coming back.
He never complained or placed blame on his teammates and he had every reason to complain. His line was awful and his receivers equally bad.
The Giants can get him for the next (4) years with almost no guaranteed money. If he is not what they hoped they can release or trade him.
you think if the Dolphins could go back and do it all over again that they would invest many years in Ryan Tannehill? The Redskins got cousins as a lower draft pick and aren't any better off, and actually got worse at the position by overpaying for a guy whose leg was mangled.
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We'll get the RT in FA, likely the guy from Carolina since he knows DG already.
There is zero evidence the NYG are in on Rosen.
There is the same evidence that any other deal has had at this time, media rumors and leaks. Until a deal is finalized no one talks. There have been a few media comments that we are one of the teams very interested in Rosen if the Cardinals decide to go with Murray.
He does?
I guess it takes one, to know one.
I think that Rosen can sit behind Eli and learn how to be a professional.
He can see Eli's work ethic and attention to detail.
If you watch Rosen play last year, you can see that he has the potential to be a very good or even a great pro QB.
His stats belie his ability.I actually think more of him now then I did at the draft. He is one tough guy. He got the sh.t kicked out of him yet he kept coming back.
He never complained or placed blame on his teammates and he had every reason to complain. His line was awful and his receivers equally bad.
The Giants can get him for the next (4) years with almost no guaranteed money. If he is not what they hoped they can release or trade him.
100% agree. The kid can play and answered the questions about his toughness. With all the negative banter about him, don't you think he is smart enough to take a mature approach to his next opportunity? The kid has been thrown under the bus by talking heads/coaches who want someone who thinks only about football 24 hours a day. Rosen actually thinks about other things on occasion. What a crime.
So how long have you know the young man? When did you meet him? I happen to know the family. The kid is supremely confident, but he has reason to be. I would not want a QB who is anything but supremely confident. He is smart and dedicated. God forbid we find a QB (for a mid-round draft pick no less) who has skills, intelligence and the desire to be great.
When was the last time 4 QB’s were drafted 1-4? This will be a very special class.
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Every step of the way. Hard pass indeed, unless you want to argue SB's generational leadership abilities can keep his extreme douchiness from tearing apart the locker room.
So how long have you know the young man? When did you meet him? I happen to know the family. The kid is supremely confident, but he has reason to be. I would not want a QB who is anything but supremely confident. He is smart and dedicated. God forbid we find a QB (for a mid-round draft pick no less) who has skills, intelligence and the desire to be great.
Not using the D word on here anymore, but I see why people aren’t fans of Rosen. The dedicated and strong desire to be great traits are exactly what has been questioned.
you think if the Dolphins could go back and do it all over again that they would invest many years in Ryan Tannehill? The Redskins got cousins as a lower draft pick and aren't any better off, and actually got worse at the position by overpaying for a guy whose leg was mangled.
Again, this is flawed thinking. Ryan Tannehill-level production at $2M for 2019 is a good deal. And it doesn't stop the Giants from drafting a QB in 2020 if Rosen is a disaster in 2019.
Consider the alternative: paying Eli $23M to give you Ryan Tannehill production.
One option is cheap, has an easy out, and has massive potential upside. The other is expensive and has zero upside. It's a no brainer for an objective front office that isn't influenced by nostalgia and sentimentality.
Nostalgia and sentimentality are going to cost the Giants $23M against the salary cap in 2019, but lead to no additional wins.
Besides their intrinsic value, and the fact that their loss prevents us from building the team, management would never write a guy, who they’ve invested assets in, off after one season.
They’re not just putting him in their cart at the pic&save like you intitmate.
Exactly.
Besides their intrinsic value, and the fact that their loss prevents us from building the team, management would never write a guy, who they’ve invested assets in, off after one season.
They’re not just putting him in their cart at the pic&save like you intitmate.
The asset figures to be a second round pick.
A second round pick for a 22 year old guy with Rosen's passing ability, for the right to pay him $2M a year, is a huge value. If we drafted him straight up in this draft people would be head over heels with the pick.
That applies to any player we draft as well.
What about the assets spent to keep Eli on the roster? Does the $17M we would recoup count as an asset?
Cutting Rosen after 1 year is the worst case scenario. The best case scenario is we've got our QB at a cut rate and don't need to expend a draft pick (or picks to trade up to get one) next year.
The worst case scenario with Rosen is better than the scenario that's actually going to play out when we keep Eli, unless Eli leads the Giants to the playoffs.
The problem with this if Rosen ends up not working out is we just gave away a likely starter with that second round pick. And great, we pick up that extra cash from Eli, but we will have that cash next year as well if we don’t extend Eli’s contract.
Based on what we have seen the last 36 hours or so, prices for FA are insane. That cost controlled second round pick we would be giving up would be hard to stomach if Rosen busts. Because we’ll get the Eli money back next year, it’s not like he is signed to a long term deal.
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In your scenario.
That applies to any player we draft as well.
What about the assets spent to keep Eli on the roster? Does the $17M we would recoup count as an asset?
Cutting Rosen after 1 year is the worst case scenario. The best case scenario is we've got our QB at a cut rate and don't need to expend a draft pick (or picks to trade up to get one) next year.
The worst case scenario with Rosen is better than the scenario that's actually going to play out when we keep Eli, unless Eli leads the Giants to the playoffs.
I would rather have the drafted player then what I would get for 17M. And, I think your worst case is the most likely and birders on guaranteed. Although I substitute bellrung retirement for cut.
For a guy with Rosen's arm talent it seems like a super low risk to me. I think he's a better QB prospect than anyone in this draft.